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The Speaker The Clue Factory	Posted - 2008.06.13 00:29:00 - [301] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: fuze You think this isn't important? Nope this thread isn't important. Wait. This is the "Remove Jade from the Chair" issue thread right? Ok, just checking.
Kai Zion The Zion Accounts	Posted - 2008.06.13 00:41:00 - [302] Originally by: Tharrn I am not exactly known to be Jade's bumchum but this is taking on ridiculous proportions. I think the message that people are unhappy with Jade's conduct during the last meeting has come across by now. If this persists all the important issues will get buried in all the 'OUTRAGE!' threads. Or maybe that is exactly the plan: to just undermine the CSM and make sure it gets nothing done, which would be a shame as it is in general a good idea. Agreed entirely Tharrn.
Anton Marvik AnTi. Atrocitas	Posted - 2008.06.13 01:17:00 - [303] Originally by: Jade Constantine Nope this thread isn't important. Yet its got more than twice the support of your "big thread" about destructible stations.
Khaerie The Empire Nation Worlds End Consortium	Posted - 2008.06.13 01:22:00 - [304] CSM has just begun. The first board must be the strongest as it is their task to make mistakes, discover these mistakes and then put in tools to correct these mistakes. The only thing I would request is to please not get bogged down in creating extra processes. I already see the red tape piling up fast. Looking for new sig
Courthouse Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.13 01:26:00 - [305] Originally by: Khaerie CSM has just begun. The first board must be the strongest as it is their task to make mistakes, discover these mistakes and then put in tools to correct these mistakes. The only thing I would request is to please not get bogged down in creating extra processes. I already see the red tape piling up fast. There's nothing to bog down anymore when all Jade has to do is schedule meetings outside of US availability and bring in alternates for everything.
Anthony Pants	Posted - 2008.06.13 01:42:00 - [306] Originally by: Jade Constantine Nope this thread isn't important. Nope they didn't vote for me so I don't have to listen la la la Originally by: Jade Constantine Latest meeting of the CSM Thats what people getting down to the hard work of actually being CSM reps looks like. So you admit to scheduling a meeting at a time when you knew three council members could not make it as an attempt at making yourself look better. Why you think it's important to neglect the ideas of the largest alliance in the game is beyond me.
Vanessa Vale	Posted - 2008.06.13 01:43:00 - [307] Originally by: Jade Constantine I think you should view the terms of service you agreed with when you signed up to that mailing list Darius. Serenity is the provider of that mailing list and you should go and have a read of his last message before you continue this line of argument. You might also want to review your decision to raise the publication of emails from that list on sundays agenda. This gets better and better. Or worse, really. Minmatar Boost Brigade
Meleyn Alternate Posting Services	Posted - 2008.06.13 01:44:00 - [308] Originally by: Courthouse There's nothing to bog down anymore when all Jade has to do is schedule meetings outside of US availability and bring in alternates for everything. It's hardly anyone fault, but of the affected CSM representatives if they live in some exotic timezone, that doesn't allow them to fulfill their duty as members of the CSM. They should have been aware of this problem when they decided to run for CSM. Why should the vast majority make concessions for two people who choose to live somewhere in the wilds, far off from the cradle of civilization. Thinking about it, since when are the inhabitants of the "colonies" allowed to vote on anything anyway? Their presumptuousness is really disgusting and they should be put back into their place, tbqph.
Ikar Kaltin Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.13 01:47:00 - [309] Im not going to pretend I read this thread, and Im not going to support or oppose this thread at this time since I havent read this thread. What I do know is that on a quick skim through this proposal recieved 96 (ish, give or take a few it being late) whilst other threads you have approved for discussion have recieved fewer than 20, and have been much less trolled by you Jade (helpful CSM icon lets me see when csm members post), and most notably: http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=795676 Has recieved less than 4 responses and is alread promoted for the agenda by yourself. If this has recieved over 25x the support than that, then surely this thread should be at least discussed at the csm meeting?
Sovereign533 PPN United Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2008.06.13 01:52:00 - [310] i support. being a chairman or leader of any sorts will get you a lot of negative attention and critism (people thinking they can do better and stuff). but this chairman is supporting proposions that barely have any votes. the chair should look at the amount of votes in a thread before giving or declining support to that proposition. a chairman representing people should never ever support something that no or almost nobody supports or agrees on. and should also never follow their own agenda. if this person does do this, they should be taken away from their function. do i think i can do better, yes.

Anthony Pants	Posted - 2008.06.13 01:53:00 - [311] Edited by: Anthony Pants on 13/06/2008 01:54:42 Originally by: Ikar Kaltin Im not going to pretend I read this thread, and Im not going to support or oppose this thread at this time since I havent read this thread. What I do know is that on a quick skim through this proposal recieved 96 (ish, give or take a few it being late) whilst other threads you have approved for discussion have recieved fewer than 20, and have been much less trolled by you Jade (helpful CSM icon lets me see when csm members post), and most notably: http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=795676 Has recieved less than 4 responses and is alread promoted for the agenda by yourself. If this has recieved over 25x the support than that, then surely this thread should be at least discussed at the csm meeting? Jade will respond that THIS IS WHAT HE HAS BEEN DOING GOD LEAVE HIM ALONE STOP TROLLING YOU TROLL Unfortunately, this thread is about removing Jade Constantine from the council, not asking for CCP to give the council permission to vote to remove him from the council without the repercussions of getting removed from the council altogether, as it states in the CSM document. Originally by: Sovereign533 i support. being a chairman or leader of any sorts will get you a lot of negative attention and critism (people thinking they can do better and stuff). but this chairman is supporting proposions that barely have any votes. the chair should look at the amount of votes in a thread before giving or declining support to that proposition. a chairman representing people should never ever support something that no or almost nobody supports or agrees on. and should also never follow their own agenda. if this person does do this, they should be taken away from their function. do i think i can do better, yes. Unfortunately, since it's not possible to get anywhere near 5% of the EVE population to post on these threads, that won't happen. Instead, the CSM members get to present their own pet projects to CCP. Democracy in action!
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2008.06.13 01:57:00 - [312] Originally by: Ikar Kaltin Im not going to pretend I read this thread, and Im not going to support or oppose this thread at this time since I havent read this thread. What I do know is that on a quick skim through this proposal recieved 96 (ish, give or take a few it being late) whilst other threads you have approved for discussion have recieved fewer than 20, and have been much less trolled by you Jade (helpful CSM icon lets me see when csm members post), and most notably: http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=795676 Has recieved less than 4 responses and is alread promoted for the agenda by yourself. If this has recieved over 25x the support than that, then surely this thread should be at least discussed at the csm meeting? Negative. Basically its part of our job to ignore nonsense posts. 200 supports on a nonsense issue are worth less than 1 support on a good issue. Sorry to disappoint you but threadnaughts simply mean nothing when you bring a little bit of good analysis to the table. Thats why no post like this will be advocated in good faith by a CSM delegate. A) it brings nothing to the game, and B) it would be embarrassing the CSM delegate to bring such a motion and have it voted down on the public record wasting time better alloted for decent issues.
Anton Marvik AnTi. Atrocitas	Posted - 2008.06.13 02:06:00 - [313] I think if I were a megalomaniac who had gone off the reservation, I would call any motion to bring me back to reality 'nonsense' too. That doesn't make it true.
TRI VETRA Extraterrestrial Combat Unit New Eden Research	Posted - 2008.06.13 02:08:00 - [314] Originally by: Lonak Silu After reading the logs, different threads and observing the behavior of the main actors of this "drama", I wanted to make a comedy post here, asking to not throw J.Constantine out of his (so loved) chair just for the sake of the good lulz. But I came across a (now locked)thread in an external forums (SHC) about this CSM thing. I was literaly shocked to see the posts of that guy there. Same here. That thread was creepy.
Ikar Kaltin Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.13 02:10:00 - [315] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Ikar Kaltin Im not going to pretend I read this thread, and Im not going to support or oppose this thread at this time since I havent read this thread. What I do know is that on a quick skim through this proposal recieved 96 (ish, give or take a few it being late) whilst other threads you have approved for discussion have recieved fewer than 20, and have been much less trolled by you Jade (helpful CSM icon lets me see when csm members post), and most notably: http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=795676 Has recieved less than 4 responses and is alread promoted for the agenda by yourself. If this has recieved over 25x the support than that, then surely this thread should be at least discussed at the csm meeting? Negative. Basically its part of our job to ignore nonsense posts. 200 supports on a nonsense issue are worth less than 1 support on a good issue. Sorry to disappoint you but threadnaughts simply mean nothing when you bring a little bit of good analysis to the table. Thats why no post like this will be advocated in good faith by a CSM delegate. A) it brings nothing to the game, and B) it would be embarrassing the CSM delegate to bring such a motion and have it voted down on the public record wasting time better alloted for decent issues. This thread seems to be brought in a well ordered manner, for example unlike the monster truck thread each comment seemed to have criticism attatched, promoting the debate. Just because something is aimed at you doesnt make it nonesense, and if it was nonesense then you would have surely posted once at the start saying "this is nonesense and not worthy of CSM time" and ignored the thread from then on? Replying continuously to thread you deem as "nonsense" and thus dismiss from the agenda whilst debating with people seems kinda contradictory in terms, if it was nonsense it wouldnt be worthy of your time. On the other hand if it is a concern about the CSM chairman which is worth the time of a CSM rep in the frequence you respond then should it not be brought before the council as a popular concern? /me shrugs, just seems odd to ignore a thread directed at you with large contructive critism and debate rather than to admit it is a valid concern then to just say "Ill bring it up at the meeting, and see what the general consensus of the council is. If your right and I have no support ill step down and well elect a new chairman, if not then you can all STFU". By ignoring concerns with popular support and promoting threads with no support that you like then you just add fuel to the fire and give ammo to the people posting on this thread, and people of a similar mentality. Its your choice really, but your just making things worse by yourself by responding.
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2008.06.13 02:18:00 - [316] Originally by: Khaerie CSM has just begun. The first board must be the strongest as it is their task to make mistakes, discover these mistakes and then put in tools to correct these mistakes. The only thing I would request is to please not get bogged down in creating extra processes. I already see the red tape piling up fast. We've learned that lesson really, administrative guff is going to the end of the agenda. We'll be concentrating primarily on good ISSUEs and doing our best to ignore the silly stuff from this point forward. CSM Manifesto 2008 \| Destroy Outposts!
Anton Marvik AnTi. Atrocitas	Posted - 2008.06.13 02:22:00 - [317] Edited by: Anton Marvik on 13/06/2008 02:22:32 Originally by: Jade Constantine We've learned that lesson really, administrative guff is going to the end of the agenda. We'll be concentrating primarily on good ISSUEs and doing our best to ignore the silly stuff from this point forward. And you are the one that decides what constitutes a "good ISSUE" of course. How convenient. Could you quote the appropriate logs where this vote was held? This is why you must be stopped.
Maitsu GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.13 02:30:00 - [318] How many players need to support this until CCP decides to step in? This is getting ridiculous.
Anthony Pants	Posted - 2008.06.13 02:36:00 - [319] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Ikar Kaltin Im not going to pretend I read this thread, and Im not going to support or oppose this thread at this time since I havent read this thread. What I do know is that on a quick skim through this proposal recieved 96 (ish, give or take a few it being late) whilst other threads you have approved for discussion have recieved fewer than 20, and have been much less trolled by you Jade (helpful CSM icon lets me see when csm members post), and most notably: http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=795676 Has recieved less than 4 responses and is alread promoted for the agenda by yourself. If this has recieved over 25x the support than that, then surely this thread should be at least discussed at the csm meeting? Negative. Basically its part of our job to ignore nonsense posts. 200 supports on a nonsense issue are worth less than 1 support on a good issue. Sorry to disappoint you but threadnaughts simply mean nothing when you bring a little bit of good analysis to the table. Thats why no post like this will be advocated in good faith by a CSM delegate. A) it brings nothing to the game, and B) it would be embarrassing the CSM delegate to bring such a motion and have it voted down on the public record wasting time better alloted for decent issues. I'm pretty sure Bane and Glorius have advocated a vote of no confidence. The rest of the council might, but they've been so antagonized by you that they've probably capitulated. It would be nice if you guys would just work with each other, like during the second meeting.
Illaria	Posted - 2008.06.13 02:39:00 - [320] Originally by: Maitsu How many players need to support this until CCP decides to step in? This is getting ridiculous. I hear you sister, you're absolutely right. It's a shame how long CCP tolerated this abomination that flies under the 'GoonSwarm' ticker. Time for CCP to step in and swing the banhammer. ---- Darius Johnson, not MY CSM.

Jade Constantine	Posted - 2008.06.13 02:42:00 - [321] Edited by: Jade Constantine on 13/06/2008 02:46:33 Originally by: Maitsu How many players need to support this until CCP decides to step in? This is getting ridiculous. by the current rules you need 5% of the player base. Thats around 11,000 supports. 10,900 to go. (It should be possible though Maitsu. You have 5000 people in goonswarm and each of these can support 3 times by abusing their alts). So you could actually manage 15,000 if you market the issue effectively internally. Get going is my advice! Either that or convince a rep to bring it up on the agenda. (of course once it gets on the agenda you still need to win 5/9 CSM votes to get it raised to the CSM/CCP conference and CCP need to approve it). + at some point you'll actually need some arguments rather than smack and nonsense. And comparing the CSM chair making a moderation decision to a genocidal dictator nuking half the world is probably not going to do it for you CSM Manifesto 2008 \| Destroy Outposts!
Atama Cardel Even-Flow	Posted - 2008.06.13 03:06:00 - [322] Edited by: Atama Cardel on 13/06/2008 03:08:03 Why does the CSM even need an authority figure other than to decide when the meetings will be held? It's 9 guys/girls discussing a video game, not congress, the UN or something like that.
CLAM DAWN University of Caille	Posted - 2008.06.13 03:10:00 - [323] Edited by: CLAM DAWN on 13/06/2008 03:10:41 It wasn't supposed to be like this. Jade just decided to grant itself power.
Anthony Pants	Posted - 2008.06.13 03:25:00 - [324] Originally by: Jade Constantine by the current rules you need 5% of the player base. Thats around 11,000 supports. 10,900 to go. (It should be possible though Maitsu. You have 5000 people in goonswarm and each of these can support 3 times by abusing their alts). So you could actually manage 15,000 if you market the issue effectively internally. Get going is my advice! Either that or convince a rep to bring it up on the agenda. (of course once it gets on the agenda you still need to win 5/9 CSM votes to get it raised to the CSM/CCP conference and CCP need to approve it). Good thing we don't need to worry about all that, since GoonSwarm has two reps in it. Maybe if they were actually in Thursday's meeting, you all wouldn't have wasted ten minutes on word processors. Where's the moderation? Can't you show a little neutrality, or did you have to mute yourself so you didn't appear like an ass?
The Icefox Under the Wings of Fury Atrocitas	Posted - 2008.06.13 03:33:00 - [325] I fully support the impeachment of Jade Constantine. Bored during down time? Try this.
Trickster Lokee	Posted - 2008.06.13 03:36:00 - [326] All I need to do is put the thumbs up here correct? This is my first time participating in such a wonderful democratic process. I like the idea that we can get rid of a CSM for failing at their job particularly one who sees fit to prevent open discourse by muting other CSM.
Sepuku Strange	Posted - 2008.06.13 03:37:00 - [327] Signed
Kitoba Legion of Dynamic Discord	Posted - 2008.06.13 03:37:00 - [328] I fully support STFU and get back to work.
Anton Marvik AnTi. Atrocitas	Posted - 2008.06.13 04:30:00 - [329] Two more and we'll hit 100. \o/
Illaria	Posted - 2008.06.13 04:39:00 - [330] Originally by: Anton Marvik Two more and we'll hit 100. \o/ Then better hurry up and make some more alts. ---- Darius Johnson, not MY CSM.

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