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Nynaeve Ares Animus Incarnate	Posted - 2008.06.11 13:29:00 - [211] Support
Ron Wilson	Posted - 2008.06.11 15:03:00 - [212] I supprt this. I believe the Chair should not overstep their role and has no right to mute or remove anyone from the council. Also the chair should not express their hostility toward council members even if the hostility is there and deserved. The chair person as it is now in the council should be able to fill 2 roles in the council. One would be the chair role to lead the proceedings and the other would be the elected council member role. Those roles should not be mixed, so the chair person should not use their position to promote or try to enforce their views that they represent as council member. If the chair person is not able to keep those roles separated and do both those roles at the same time the chair person should step down and a new chair person elected. If none of the council members wish to take on the responsibility or are unable to keep those roles separate, then a chair person should be invited from outside to oversee the proceedings so that the council members can all focus on their appointed task by the people who elected them. Just my 2c
Selnaric	Posted - 2008.06.11 15:10:00 - [213] Supported.
Value Added GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.11 16:00:00 - [214] Seeing all of these Jade apologists come out of the woodwork makes me think that people aren't taking this seriously at all. Read the chatlogs, Jade is completely out of control.
Innominate GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.11 16:07:00 - [215] Edited by: Innominate on 11/06/2008 16:08:39 Originally by: Jade Constantine But I'm going to try to put this right. I've started by making a ruling that all potential changes to the constitution/founding documents must be raised in the form of documented ISSUEs and join the queue with the rest for CCP approval. I hope this will stop these things clogging up the beginning of meetings. Originally by: Jade Constantine There will never be a formal no-confidence mechanic on the CSM. I think someone has "Committee Chairman" confused with "Chairman Mao".
Fallorn GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.11 16:12:00 - [216] Originally by: Value Added Seeing all of these Jade apologists come out of the woodwork makes me think that people aren't taking this seriously at all. Read the chatlogs, Jade is completely out of control. All I hear while reading their posts is slurp slurp slurp Sig removed. If you would like further details please mail mods@ccpgames.com with a link to your signature. - Elmo Pug
Jane Spondogolo NoobWaffe	Posted - 2008.06.11 16:15:00 - [217] Edited by: Jane Spondogolo on 11/06/2008 16:18:15 This proposal http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=793804 resolves everything. Please read it , and give some reasonable input. And could a rep take it up. This is a very reasonable proposal that provides a win-win solution for everyone. Goons: I think the proposal I make addresses the worry about bad process and power concentration that you guys are worrying about. If you are worried about being discriminated via the chair, this proposal gives goons (and other disidents) protection. Jade and friends: This proposal clarifies Jades power, and gives her a mandate to work from that allows the role to be done properly whilst providing a canonical reference to give that mandate. Everyone wins. ______ Unrepentant Southern Federation Cheerleader.
Herschel Yamamoto Bloodmoney Incorporated	Posted - 2008.06.11 16:26:00 - [218] One request for everybody - could you please stop accusing every third person of being a Jade alt? Even if they are, you just make yourself look like a whiny fool, because it's said about everybody and you can't prove anything. And much as it's a maxim of human society that there's no position too crazy for somebody to believe in it, there's also no position too crazy that two people won't believe in it. In any group of sufficient size, even those you dislike and find to be nutty will have support too. Originally by: Theramin Dogon Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto That's not really an accurate statement of my beliefs. I voted for Jade, and I'd probably still vote for Jade-the-CSM-Member. I just find the process of electing the Chair to be extremely unfortunate, because it gave us an inadequate Chair. If Jade had done the sensible thing(given his support of an elected Chair) and stepped down as Chair right off the bat, this would all have been avoided, or at least deserved if he got re-elected to the spot. But he didn't - I'm still not entirely sure why not, though I could hazard a guess at this point - and so we're left with this mess. Ah, that's what it'd seemed like from your posts. Sorry to have misrepresented you, I'll go back and edit my post. It's cool, and I see where you got that interpretation from. I just wanted to make myself clear.
Jade Constantine Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.06.11 16:31:00 - [219] Originally by: Jane Spondogolo [ Jade and friends: This proposal clarifies Jades power, and gives her a mandate to work from that allows the role to be done properly whilst providing a canonical reference to give that mandate. Everyone wins. I'd welcome such a document, but only from CCP. I don't think any current member of the CSM or player supporter of CSM members has the required neutral perspective to be involved with this.
Jane Spondogolo NoobWaffe	Posted - 2008.06.11 16:37:00 - [220] I understand your position Jade. I totally empathise with it. Its a ***** to be chair in a hostile senate. But CCP seem to of left the question open. The scope documents provide a power to make sugestions to them. What I propose is you guys take the document I've made as a template. Sculpt it into something that works for you guys, and present it to CCP as a proposal on how it should work. Anyone whos worked with comittees will tell you that whats happening is growing pains of a new body corporate. The solution is always to clarify the procedure. If you dont Jade, people will always question your mandate. Make it easy for yourself. Jade, I'll put it to you to champion my proposal. This will demonstate a comitment to process, and make it beyond question that this comittee can be made to work. I'm trying to make a way that works for you. Recognise it big fella.

Plumpy McPudding Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.06.11 17:13:00 - [221] It would appear that Jade is a few clowns short of a circus. __________________________ Fear me for I have an insatiable appetite! Proprietor and inventor of Chocolate Donut flavored Ice Cream.
Walumachoncha SA GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.11 17:54:00 - [222] we need a cohesive CSM, not a stage for narcissistic powertrips.
VCBee 556	Posted - 2008.06.11 17:56:00 - [223] nt
Dak The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2008.06.11 18:04:00 - [224]
Miner Nine	Posted - 2008.06.11 23:24:00 - [225] At least this shows you can't have the chair be decided on most votes. It's vastly important for a chair to remain neutral to create a good enviroment for serious internet spaceship dicussion. This is a clear example of the chair not remaining neutral and punishing a CSM rep for no valid reason. If Jade has ever been to a public meeting in their life, they would of realize that people can Object to a vote at any time. It seem quite clear that Jade completely change what they were voting on to give their own bias opinion. Then when they lost the vote, lash out at a CSM rep whom call them on it with two other CSM rep agreeing.
Teh Doylan DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.11 23:24:00 - [226] Jade if you feel like you have done nothing wrong, then allow the council to have a vote of no confidence and confidence in you at a time when all the original CSM representatives (not alternates) can be online.
Jade Constantine Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.06.11 23:31:00 - [227] Originally by: Teh Doylan Jade if you feel like you have done nothing wrong, then allow the council to have a vote of no confidence and confidence in you at a time when all the original CSM representatives (not alternates) can be online. I'm not in favor of any player measure that changes the constitution that hasn't been raised as an issue, been open for public debate for 7 days, been advocated to the CSM by a rep, and passed a simple majority there, documented as a submission proposal and been presented to CCP in the formal discussions at the conference. (these coincidently are the steps that have been taken with the "electable chair" Issue I raised) If any CSM rep had chosen to support this thread they could have done exactly the same and we'd be discussing the constitutional change to allow this in Iceland. As yet none have. This is the only way such a vote could happen and I'm certainly not in favour of subverting the founding documentation to let people play politics with a CSM body that is not designed for this purpose. So in short. Request denied. If anybody feels I've done something wrong they can certainly ask a rep to advocate this topic for them. Or complain to ccp I guess.
Siona Windweaver	Posted - 2008.06.11 23:32:00 - [228]
Aprudena Gist GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.11 23:33:00 - [229] Edited by: Aprudena Gist on 11/06/2008 23:32:56 Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Teh Doylan Jade if you feel like you have done nothing wrong, then allow the council to have a vote of no confidence and confidence in you at a time when all the original CSM representatives (not alternates) can be online. I'm not in favor of any player measure that changes the constitution that hasn't been raised as an issue, been open for public debate for 7 days, been advocated to the CSM by a rep, and passed a simple majority there, documented as a submission proposal and been presented to CCP in the formal discussions at the conference. (these coincidently are the steps that have been taken with the "electable chair" Issue I raised) If any CSM rep had chosen to support this thread they could have done exactly the same and we'd be discussing the constitutional change to allow this in Iceland. As yet none have. This is the only way such a vote could happen and I'm certainly not in favour of subverting the founding documentation to let people play politics with a CSM body that is not designed for this purpose. So in short. Request denied. If anybody feels I've done something wrong they can certainly ask a rep to advocate this topic for them. Or complain to ccp I guess. So Apparely you can deny Darius Mail about the Vote of no Confidence then anyways?
Jade Constantine Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.06.11 23:58:00 - [230] Originally by: Aprudena Gist So Apparely you can deny Darius Mail about the Vote of no Confidence then anyways? Can I ask what you are talking about please? CSM Manifesto 2008 \| Destroy Outposts!

Aprudena Gist GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.11 23:59:00 - [231] Edited by: Aprudena Gist on 11/06/2008 23:59:13 Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Aprudena Gist So Apparely you can deny Darius Mail about the Vote of no Confidence then anyways? Can I ask what you are talking about please? He send a Mail the other day on your Fancy E-Mail List thing about a vote of no confidence in the chairman of the CSM i do believe and you said you would not add item so said agenda for the meeting.
Jade Constantine Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.06.12 00:02:00 - [232] Originally by: Aprudena Gist Edited by: Aprudena Gist on 11/06/2008 23:59:13 Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Aprudena Gist So Apparely you can deny Darius Mail about the Vote of no Confidence then anyways? Can I ask what you are talking about please? He send a Mail the other day on your Fancy E-Mail List thing about a vote of no confidence in the chairman of the CSM i do believe and you said you would not add item so said agenda for the meeting. Really, he was talking about things on our private e-mail list? Thats a little bit unprofessional. CSM Manifesto 2008 \| Destroy Outposts!
Aprudena Gist GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.12 00:08:00 - [233] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Aprudena Gist Edited by: Aprudena Gist on 11/06/2008 23:59:13 Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Aprudena Gist So Apparely you can deny Darius Mail about the Vote of no Confidence then anyways? Can I ask what you are talking about please? He send a Mail the other day on your Fancy E-Mail List thing about a vote of no confidence in the chairman of the CSM i do believe and you said you would not add item so said agenda for the meeting. Really, he was talking about things on our private e-mail list? Thats a little bit unprofessional. He's allowed to talk about anything he said himself i dont really see an issue with it i can understand if he was showing us your e-mails or anyone else's emails but showing his own is perfectly fine.
Shadako GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.12 00:24:00 - [234] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Aprudena Gist Edited by: Aprudena Gist on 11/06/2008 23:59:13 Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Aprudena Gist So Apparely you can deny Darius Mail about the Vote of no Confidence then anyways? Can I ask what you are talking about please? He send a Mail the other day on your Fancy E-Mail List thing about a vote of no confidence in the chairman of the CSM i do believe and you said you would not add item so said agenda for the meeting. Really, he was talking about things on our private e-mail list? Thats a little bit unprofessional. You of all people talking about something being unprofessional is peak irony at this point.
Jade Constantine Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.06.12 00:29:00 - [235] Originally by: Aprudena Gist He's allowed to talk about anything he said himself i dont really see an issue with it i can understand if he was showing us your e-mails or anyone else's emails but showing his own is perfectly fine. Well you said he told you what I said too? I didn't give permission for him to talk about my emails. CSM Manifesto 2008 \| Destroy Outposts!
Aprudena Gist GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.12 00:31:00 - [236] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Aprudena Gist He's allowed to talk about anything he said himself i dont really see an issue with it i can understand if he was showing us your e-mails or anyone else's emails but showing his own is perfectly fine. Well you said he told you what I said too? I didn't give permission for him to talk about my emails. The General gist of the information is not what's at stake here the only thing would be an actual quote.
Herschel Yamamoto Bloodmoney Incorporated	Posted - 2008.06.12 00:48:00 - [237] Edited by: Herschel Yamamoto on 12/06/2008 00:48:36 Originally by: Aprudena Gist The General gist of the information is not what's at stake here the only thing would be an actual quote. Not true - a private list is private, and breaking privacy on such a list short of admission of criminal acts(and I mean real crime, not the odd joint or jaywalk) is a really low thing to do - both on Darius' part and on yours. If you can't keep a secret, you won't get to see any in future. Besides, breaking privacy on what happens on such a list just shows a lack of imagination - we have a history in the CSM now of issues being added via CSM member request on the forums. If Darius wanted to ***** about Jade not adding this issue, he should have just calmly posted a link to it in the Meeting 5 thread on Jita Park, and asked for it to be heard at that meeting. The private is kept private, and the same ends are achieved. Everybody who needs to know what happened still does, and he comes out of it looking better and embarrassing Jade even more to the other CSMs that would be the case otherwise. Not only is it stupid and immature to break privacy on the list, it shows a terrible deficiency of deftness. ------------------ Fix the forums!
JafoPBCFR	Posted - 2008.06.12 00:49:00 - [238] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Aprudena Gist Edited by: Aprudena Gist on 11/06/2008 23:59:13 Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Aprudena Gist So Apparely you can deny Darius Mail about the Vote of no Confidence then anyways? Can I ask what you are talking about please? He send a Mail the other day on your Fancy E-Mail List thing about a vote of no confidence in the chairman of the CSM i do believe and you said you would not add item so said agenda for the meeting. Really, he was talking about things on our private e-mail list? Thats a little bit unprofessional. WOW!!! HELLO POT MEET KETTLE! Dude you make GW Bush look like a Einstein!
Anthony Pants	Posted - 2008.06.12 00:59:00 - [239] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Aprudena Gist He's allowed to talk about anything he said himself i dont really see an issue with it i can understand if he was showing us your e-mails or anyone else's emails but showing his own is perfectly fine. Well you said he told you what I said too? I didn't give permission for him to talk about my emails. Anyone else on the council can talk about their e-mails just fine, and we all know anything and everything you've been saying has been footstomping and temper tantrums.
Nynaeve Ares Animus Incarnate	Posted - 2008.06.12 01:02:00 - [240] If the majority of CSM believes you incapable of doing your job and disruptive you should step down, it shouldn't have to fall to CCP to tell you that.

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