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Anton Marvik
AnTi.
Atrocitas
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Posted - 2008.06.09 15:34:00 -
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Edited by: Anton Marvik on 09/06/2008 15:40:15
Edited by: Anton Marvik on 09/06/2008 15:36:58
The Random People of the Assembly Hall,
Recognising the Chairperson's responsibilities are crucial to the effectiveness of the CSM,
Noting Further these responsibilities include unbiased judgment, maturity, and professionalism,
Deeply disturbed by the actions of the current chair, Jade Constantine, in CSM Meeting Three and during the time since, including editorializing at the time of the meeting, muting an elected CSM representative who spoke out against said editorializing,
Further deploring Jade Constantine's failure to take responsibility for said failures as Chairperson, as well as his threatening of further immature and reprehensible actions,
Desiring a successful and effective CSM,
1. Calls upon the CSM to undertake an immediate vote for the removal of Jade Constantine from Chair;
2. Further invites the CSM to duly elect a new Chairperson;
3. Regrets the necessity of these actions;
4. Further reminds the CSM representatives that they are responsible to the entirety of the EVE playerbase to make the CSM a success;
5. Expresses its hope that the CSM will be more successful in the future.
Yeah. I have too much free time. Aside from the manner in which it is written I think it speaks for itself. The thread for CSM Meeting 3, with relevant Jadeisms, can be found here - http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=788122&page=5
If Jade can't take responsibility for her actions, there is no hope that she will avoid those actions in the future, especially as Jade has threatened to be even MORE childish in her future.
 Originally by: Jade Constantine
The lesson learned from that last meeting is for the Chair to be firmer, sooner, and take a much more vigorous hand in preventing unrecognized interruptions from the representatives
Tl;dr The Chair is CRUCIAL, there is limited time for the CSM to get their job done, Jade is a failure as the Chair, needs to be replaced ASAP.
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Anton Marvik
AnTi.
Atrocitas
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Posted - 2008.06.09 15:34:00 -
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Edited by: Anton Marvik on 09/06/2008 15:40:15
Edited by: Anton Marvik on 09/06/2008 15:36:58
The Random People of the Assembly Hall,
Recognising the Chairperson's responsibilities are crucial to the effectiveness of the CSM,
Noting Further these responsibilities include unbiased judgment, maturity, and professionalism,
Deeply disturbed by the actions of the current chair, Jade Constantine, in CSM Meeting Three and during the time since, including editorializing at the time of the meeting, muting an elected CSM representative who spoke out against said editorializing,
Further deploring Jade Constantine's failure to take responsibility for said failures as Chairperson, as well as his threatening of further immature and reprehensible actions,
Desiring a successful and effective CSM,
1. Calls upon the CSM to undertake an immediate vote for the removal of Jade Constantine from Chair;
2. Further invites the CSM to duly elect a new Chairperson;
3. Regrets the necessity of these actions;
4. Further reminds the CSM representatives that they are responsible to the entirety of the EVE playerbase to make the CSM a success;
5. Expresses its hope that the CSM will be more successful in the future.
Yeah. I have too much free time. Aside from the manner in which it is written I think it speaks for itself. The thread for CSM Meeting 3, with relevant Jadeisms, can be found here - http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=788122&page=5
If Jade can't take responsibility for her actions, there is no hope that she will avoid those actions in the future, especially as Jade has threatened to be even MORE childish in her future.
Originally by: Jade Constantine
The lesson learned from that last meeting is for the Chair to be firmer, sooner, and take a much more vigorous hand in preventing unrecognized interruptions from the representatives
Tl;dr The Chair is CRUCIAL, there is limited time for the CSM to get their job done, Jade is a failure as the Chair, needs to be replaced ASAP.
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.06.09 15:45:00 -
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Here's how you do it.
1. Get your CSM reps to pass the CSM electable chair issue to the constitution in Iceland.
2. Hold the election for chair and hope the CSM reps choose another chair.
3. result.
CSM Manifesto 2008 | Destroy Outposts! |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.06.09 15:45:00 -
[4]
Here's how you do it.
1. Get your CSM reps to pass the CSM electable chair issue to the constitution in Iceland.
2. Hold the election for chair and hope the CSM reps choose another chair.
3. result.
CSM Manifesto 2008 | Destroy Outposts! |
Anton Marvik
AnTi.
Atrocitas
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Posted - 2008.06.09 15:51:00 -
[5]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Here's how you do it.
1. Get your CSM reps to pass the CSM electable chair issue to the constitution in Iceland.
2. Hold the election for chair and hope the CSM reps choose another chair.
3. result.
There is nothing indicating in the CSM constitution that if this resolution were to pass it would be invalid. Furthermore, there is nothing indicating in the CSM constitution that an amendment would be necessary to replace the Chairperson.
\o/ Legalese.
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Anton Marvik
AnTi.
Atrocitas
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Posted - 2008.06.09 15:51:00 -
[6]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Here's how you do it.
1. Get your CSM reps to pass the CSM electable chair issue to the constitution in Iceland.
2. Hold the election for chair and hope the CSM reps choose another chair.
3. result.
There is nothing indicating in the CSM constitution that if this resolution were to pass it would be invalid. Furthermore, there is nothing indicating in the CSM constitution that an amendment would be necessary to replace the Chairperson.
\o/ Legalese.
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Viktor Amand
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Posted - 2008.06.09 15:53:00 -
[7]
i support this wholeheartedly
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Viktor Amand
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Posted - 2008.06.09 15:53:00 -
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i support this wholeheartedly
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Furb Killer
USC Militia
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Posted - 2008.06.09 15:55:00 -
[9]
Quote:
Yeah. I have too much free time.
No ****
Can we just wait a couple meetings before we act like world is going to end?
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Furb Killer
USC Militia
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Posted - 2008.06.09 15:55:00 -
[10]
Quote:
Yeah. I have too much free time.
No ****
Can we just wait a couple meetings before we act like world is going to end?
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Erotic Irony
0bsession
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Posted - 2008.06.09 15:59:00 -
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Nah, removing Jade is as counterproductive as allowing the council to simply re-elect chair and members.
Whatever happens CCP will claim it was a success as part of their ham-handed philosophy of player content as king.
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Adonis 4174
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Posted - 2008.06.09 16:04:00 -
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I don't expect the CSM would vote Jade out because it would add a whole new layer of stressfulness to their positions if that kind of thing happenned.
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Vanessa Vale
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Posted - 2008.06.09 16:05:00 -
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I have not read that thread but I have read the chat logs for the 3rd meeting. And as I progressed I went from blinking to, "this is ****" to literally being left speechless and with a gaping mouth. How can this person be chairman?
Also his behaviour towards Inanna Zuni (which I do not know or have had no contact) is a total shame. Along with Serenity Steele trailing along.
Appalling. And even more so when you realize this is real world behaviour and that has real life names attached to it.
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Pnuka
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.09 16:16:00 -
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The fact a goon wasn't muted or warned first is going to really open some eyes I think.
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Darius JOHNSON
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.09 16:26:00 -
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Edited by: Darius JOHNSON on 09/06/2008 16:26:08
Originally by: Anton Marvik
There is nothing indicating in the CSM constitution that if this resolution were to pass it would be invalid. Furthermore, there is nothing indicating in the CSM constitution that an amendment would be necessary to replace the Chairperson.
\o/ Legalese.
I'll add to that by noting that there is no CSM Constitution. It's a word that was tossed out and made up at the last meeting. There is also nothing preventing a chairman from stepping down. As a matter of fact it may actually be explicitly written into the founding document with a vote for the new chairman as an obvious fallback. I do not have the document in front of me so the above may be partially inaccurate, but I find it a tad disingenuous that one would refer to the documentation in this instance when we can "fill in the blanks" when it comes to assigning one's self undefined powers.
In other words this is all possible today without a doubt. As a matter of fact that was also mentioned during yesterday's meeting.
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Theel Maas
Errant Legion
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Posted - 2008.06.09 16:36:00 -
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No. Vote differently next time.
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Drago Vanguard
Vanguard Corporation
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Posted - 2008.06.09 16:40:00 -
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Theramin Dogon
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.09 17:18:00 -
[18]
Originally by: Erotic Irony
Nah, removing Jade is as counterproductive as allowing the council to simply re-elect chair and members.
Whatever happens CCP will claim it was a success as part of their ham-handed philosophy of player content as king.
Why would you have to re-elect anyone? Just give the person with the second-most votes (Hardin) the chair and give the first alternate a seat on the council. |
Erotic Irony
0bsession
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Posted - 2008.06.09 17:21:00 -
[19]
Originally by: Theramin Dogon
Originally by: Erotic Irony
Nah, removing Jade is as counterproductive as allowing the council to simply re-elect chair and members.
Whatever happens CCP will claim it was a success as part of their ham-handed philosophy of player content as king.
Why would you have to re-elect anyone? Just give the person with the second-most votes (Hardin) the chair and give the first alternate a seat on the council.
The re-elect idea was a Jade proposal that seems to be all the rage. v0v
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Ulstan
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Posted - 2008.06.09 17:55:00 -
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Frankly, all 'please remove the chair we don't like them' petitions should be tossed out on principle.
As long as there is a mechanism for the CSM itself to choose elect the chair of their choosing, it's silly to have endless petitions from aggrieved players to remove whoever happens to be chair at the moment.
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Allaria Kriss
Elipse Inc.
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Posted - 2008.06.09 18:06:00 -
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Originally by: Ulstan
Frankly, all 'please remove the chair we don't like them' petitions should be tossed out on principle.
As long as there is a mechanism for the CSM itself to choose elect the chair of their choosing, it's silly to have endless petitions from aggrieved players to remove whoever happens to be chair at the moment.
There isn't one.
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Ethaet
Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.06.09 18:27:00 -
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Edited by: Ethaet on 09/06/2008 18:28:47
After reading the chatlog, I support this. 'Warning' and then muting people for no reason is not right unless there is a valid reason.
I maybe just be paranoid, but anyone notice this was between two of the RPers on the CSM?
Keep your RP sentiments out of the CSM.
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Seriously, we need some kind of separation between the post and signature.
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Baron Levian
Bloodveil
BLOOD EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.06.09 18:30:00 -
[23]
Originally by: Ethaet
Edited by: Ethaet on 09/06/2008 18:28:47
After reading the chatlog, I support this. 'Warning' and then muting people for no reason is not right unless there is a valid reason.
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Inanna Zuni
The Causality
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.06.09 18:32:00 -
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Originally by: Pnuka
The fact a goon wasn't muted or warned first is going to really open some eyes I think.
One person has commented to me that they wondered whether that was because I have made it very clear I am not on the CSM as a representative of my corp / alliance and so wouldn't wardec Jade's lot.
"You might say that, I couldn't possibly comment" is all I can say.
IZ
My principles
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Heartstone
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.06.09 18:54:00 -
[25]
Originally by: Inanna Zuni
One person has commented to me that they wondered whether that was because I have made it very clear I am not on the CSM as a representative of my corp / alliance and so wouldn't wardec Jade's lot.
"You might say that, I couldn't possibly comment" is all I can say.
Whist I personally think Jade was incorrect for a number of reason to mute you I would like to take this particular opportunity to ask you to leave that area well alone. If the Goons or any other alliance/corp represented on the CSM decided to war dec Star Fraction for a slight on the CSM I would expect most of the allaince would do two things. First laugh at people not being able to keep out of game activites out of game and secondly cheers for a free war. And whilst you may wish to quote a certain 80's TV show in regards to your opinion on this subject it is quite clear what you are implying by bringing it up.
Furtheremore I personally feel that the ones at fault is mostly CCP for not providing the CSM will more structure before deploying it as I think most of the arguements, diagrements and time wasting of the last couple of weeks can clearly be placed at thier door for the lack of support in creating this council in regards to the procedural side of the CSM. If there had have been more of it in place the CSM could have got on with representing the people who voted for them straight out the gate rather than it having to spend all this time bickering about simple matter of internal policy.
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Rakshasa Taisab
Sane Industries Inc.
Ursa Stellar Initiative
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Posted - 2008.06.09 19:22:00 -
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Originally by: Heartstone
Furtheremore I personally feel that the ones at fault is mostly CCP for not providing the CSM will more structure before deploying it as I think most of the arguements, ...
They are not at fault, they are to be _thanked_ for not providing said structure. We're here for the entertainment, not to watch boring meetings about PG boosting the Nyx.
Oh, and a thumbs up for removing Jade from the chair contrary to my vote at the election. For the entertainment value. ^_^
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lecrotta
lecrotta Corp
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Posted - 2008.06.09 19:34:00 -
[27]
Establish a rule of law and a code of behavior before removing anybody.
NOT supported.
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Christy Walton
Bloodveil
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Posted - 2008.06.09 19:53:00 -
[28]
Remove him and maybe we could start to see CSM with better eyes.
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Teh Doylan
DarkStar 1
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.09 20:23:00 -
[29]
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.06.09 20:28:00 -
[30]
Originally by: Inanna Zuni
Originally by: Pnuka
The fact a goon wasn't muted or warned first is going to really open some eyes I think.
One person has commented to me that they wondered whether that was because I have made it very clear I am not on the CSM as a representative of my corp / alliance and so wouldn't wardec Jade's lot.
"You might say that, I couldn't possibly comment" is all I can say.
IZ
Yeah you are having a laugh to be honest. To say we'd welcome a wardec from the silly goons would be understating the case. There is no force in this game scares us in Empire Wars Inanna. So cut the silly insinuations - it makes you look foolish.
CSM Manifesto 2008 | Destroy Outposts! |
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Yorda
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.09 20:30:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Inanna Zuni
Originally by: Pnuka
The fact a goon wasn't muted or warned first is going to really open some eyes I think.
One person has commented to me that they wondered whether that was because I have made it very clear I am not on the CSM as a representative of my corp / alliance and so wouldn't wardec Jade's lot.
"You might say that, I couldn't possibly comment" is all I can say.
IZ
Yeah you are having a laugh to be honest. To say we'd welcome a wardec from the silly goons would be understating the case. There is no force in this game scares us in Empire Wars Inanna. So cut the silly insinuations - it makes you look foolish.
Jade brings up a valuable point. In empire wars the enemies can just sit in the stations and there's really nothing you can do about it (in 0.0 you can blow up the pos and just take the station).
I think we need to rectify this by making all outposts destructible.
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Martin VanBuren
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.09 20:31:00 -
[32]
Originally by: Erotic Irony
Originally by: Theramin Dogon
Originally by: Erotic Irony
Nah, removing Jade is as counterproductive as allowing the council to simply re-elect chair and members.
Whatever happens CCP will claim it was a success as part of their ham-handed philosophy of player content as king.
Why would you have to re-elect anyone? Just give the person with the second-most votes (Hardin) the chair and give the first alternate a seat on the council.
The re-elect idea was a Jade proposal that seems to be all the rage. v0v
Before Jade thought he would win he said whatever chairman got elected should step down and put it to a vote. After he won he said it was not within the chairman's scope to determine whether or not he could resign (wtf?????) and that CCP would have to rule on it.
In conclusion, I support this measure
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.06.09 20:31:00 -
[33]
Originally by: Yorda
In empire wars the enemies can just sit in the stations and there's really nothing you can do about it...
Lol you wish.
CSM Manifesto 2008 | Destroy Outposts! |
Martin VanBuren
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.09 20:32:00 -
[34]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
it makes you look foolish.
As compared to stealth bomber fleets attacking dreadnoughts?
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Slapdash McGinty
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Posted - 2008.06.09 20:52:00 -
[35]
Jade is completely out of control.
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Luciela Darkfall
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Posted - 2008.06.09 20:54:00 -
[36]
I hoped he would calm down or assume a more mature posture.
I was wrong. Jade really is feeling like he is some sort of god.
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.06.09 20:55:00 -
[37]
Edited by: Jade Constantine on 09/06/2008 20:55:31
Originally by: Luciela Darkfall
I hoped he would calm down or assume a more mature posture.
I was wrong. Jade really is feeling like he is some sort of god.
Hey weren't you the goon alt who said she'd rather vote for Sirmolle than me in the election! Smooth.
CSM Manifesto 2008 | Destroy Outposts! |
Rumours
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Posted - 2008.06.09 20:55:00 -
[38]
Jade has gone mad with a moderate amount of power. It's actions to this point are inexcusable.
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Furb Killer
USC Militia
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Posted - 2008.06.09 21:02:00 -
[39]
Edited by: Furb Killer on 09/06/2008 21:05:57
Honestly, is this some kind of goon campaign to get a goon as chairman?
No doubt jade made errors, and would be nice when he would admit he did. But people act like the world is going to end.
This happened all after 3:30 hours behind eve to chat with a group others. With eve chat so you have to split what you want to say in several posts, and meanwhile others do the same so everything is one large pile of garbage. Not to mention people keep writing stuff when they should sh ut up. And then additionally after 3:30 hours and you want to finish it people also have the urgent need to try to make funny remarks which arent funny.
I dont agree with what jade did, but i can understand why he did it.
Thread goes to goon level orange, next level is red. When red is reached, CCP will initiate total forum lock down and say it has to do with expansion deployment 
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Luciela Darkfall
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Posted - 2008.06.09 21:03:00 -
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Edited by: Luciela Darkfall on 09/06/2008 21:04:40
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Edited by: Jade Constantine on 09/06/2008 20:55:31
Originally by: Luciela Darkfall
I hoped he would calm down or assume a more mature posture.
I was wrong. Jade really is feeling like he is some sort of god.
Hey weren't you the goon alt who said she'd rather vote for Sirmolle than me in the election! Smooth.
Hey aren't you the old man who roleplays a female sex-slave, is trolling a tread just because some people disagree with your childish posture, behaves like a dictator and wants to change the game to suit your own way because after a long hiatus you found out you can't even assault any space anymore with your stealth bombers, and is bitter/passive agressive enough to remember the name of every one who criticizes you!
Hairy.
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.06.09 21:04:00 -
[41]
Originally by: Furb Killer
Honestly, is this some kind of goon campaign to get a goon as chairman?
Yes I'm rather afraid it is. Get used to goon threadnaughts until they get their way.
CSM Manifesto 2008 | Destroy Outposts! |
MirrorGod
Heretic Army
Heretic Nation
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Posted - 2008.06.09 21:04:00 -
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Remove Ankakarebearfail from chair!!! \0/
Recruitment: [ANTI]
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jBusy
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.09 21:05:00 -
[43]
Edited by: jBusy on 09/06/2008 21:05:53
Sir Molle is the only true Internet god king of eve. I will not allow Jade Constantine to usurp his title!
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Anton Marvik
AnTi.
Atrocitas
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Posted - 2008.06.09 21:05:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Yes I'm rather afraid it is. Get used to goon threadnaughts until they get their way.
Because I'm obviously a Goon, right? Moron.
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.06.09 21:06:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Luciela Darkfall
... and is bitter/passive agressive enough to remember the name of every one who critizes you!
[Protip!]
I actually clicked on your little avatar and saw that amongst your handful of previous posts there were ones flaming me. Nifty eh!
CSM Manifesto 2008 | Destroy Outposts! |
Luciela Darkfall
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Posted - 2008.06.09 21:07:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Luciela Darkfall
... and is bitter/passive agressive enough to remember the name of every one who critizes you!
[Protip!]
I actually clicked on your little avatar and saw that amongst your handful of previous posts there were ones flaming me. Nifty eh!
Why don't you mute me about it?
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Furb Killer
USC Militia
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Posted - 2008.06.09 21:08:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Anton Marvik
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Yes I'm rather afraid it is. Get used to goon threadnaughts until they get their way.
Because I'm obviously a Goon, right? Moron.
Welcome to the real world, you are not everyone. Look arround, 90% here is goon or alt (which is probably goon alt, but hard to determine). Now goons may have tendency to post quite much, but not this much in the average topic.
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.06.09 21:09:00 -
[48]
Edited by: Jade Constantine on 09/06/2008 21:17:49
Originally by: Luciela Darkfall
Why don't you mute me about it?
Either that, or I dunno, here's a Mr Slippy's wild ride of adventures grade idea I'm just throwing out here ...
Maybe you could post with your main?
(if you haven't done so earlier in the thread already that is)
Oops my bad given away another goon protip for influencing the support totals there boys and girls.
CSM Manifesto 2008 | Destroy Outposts! |
Meteor Crash
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Posted - 2008.06.09 21:10:00 -
[49]
Edited by: Meteor Crash on 09/06/2008 21:11:31
I support this. I am not pleased with the chairman, and this whole situation is extremely awkward 
If nothing happens, I hope the community will choose someone better next time.
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Darius JOHNSON
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.09 21:12:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Furb Killer
Because I'm obviously a Goon, right? Moron.
Welcome to the real world, you are not everyone. Look arround, 90% here is goon or alt (which is probably goon alt, but hard to determine). Now goons may have tendency to post quite much, but not this much in the average topic.
Goons have no restrictions on their posting. There's no need to use an alt. v0v
It's certainly easier though to demonize everyone else and insinuate there's some form of organized campaign. It's way easier than accepting responsibility for example.
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Anton Marvik
AnTi.
Atrocitas
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Posted - 2008.06.09 21:14:00 -
[51]
Edited by: Anton Marvik on 09/06/2008 21:18:12
Originally by: Darius JOHNSON
It's way easier than accepting responsibility for example.
Which is the primary reason for this proposal. Its hard to have faith that someone will stop making mistakes when that person pretends no mistakes were made and its all some sort of tinfoil-hat conspiracy.
Furthermore, the trolling Jade is currently doing throughout Assembly Hall threads is endemic of his overall lack of professionalism.
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teji
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Posted - 2008.06.09 21:14:00 -
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Quote:
Because I'm obviously a Goon, right? Moron.
Goons take the blame for everything regardless of if they have anything to do with it.
CCP really screwed up without setting some ground rules for this sandbox before they handed it off to the CSM children to play in. Now it's take whatever power you can and blame goons for anything you don't agree with. Because goons are bad right? right?
Too bad Hardin didn't get the most votes at least I have some confidence in him to be a bit more mature. Oh and I support this motion.
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Luciela Darkfall
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Posted - 2008.06.09 21:26:00 -
[53]
Edited by: Luciela Darkfall on 09/06/2008 21:29:46
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Edited by: Jade Constantine on 09/06/2008 21:17:49
Originally by: Luciela Darkfall
Why don't you mute me about it?
Either that, or I dunno, here's a Mr Slippy's wild ride of adventures grade idea I'm just throwing out here ...
Maybe you could post with your main?
(if you haven't done so earlier in the thread already that is)
Oops my bad given away another goon protip for influencing the support totals there boys and girls.
That's absolutely no problem whatsoever:
http://glowfalls.com/eve_ships/
This is my "main"'s post. I'll leave there only until my next update because, unlike you, I like to keep my work neutral. It can't "influence the support totals", but is definitely more coherent than what you've been doing.
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Gorfob
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.09 22:00:00 -
[54]
Edited by: Gorfob on 09/06/2008 22:01:51
Indeed.
Originally by: Furb Killer
Edited by: Furb Killer on 09/06/2008 21:05:57
Honestly, is this some kind of goon campaign to get a goon as chairman?
No because holy crap have you seen our forums and the moderating that goes on there? A cork hat would do a better job than Jade and a slightly better job than a goon.
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Herschel Yamamoto
Bloodmoney Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.06.09 22:51:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Furb Killer
Honestly, is this some kind of goon campaign to get |