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Torshin
InQuest Ascension Skunk-Works
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Posted - 2008.06.09 19:28:00 -
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Edited by: Torshin on 09/06/2008 19:28:17 Several years ago Kugutsumen and all of his related accounts were banned for causing disturbances and general EULA violations. I believe that the CSM should bring forward the issue of setting a deadline for when Kugutsumen will be unbanned because it is his actions and revealing the corruption within CCP that lead to the formation of the CSM. I think that his ban should be lifted by the end of this councils term.
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Torshin
InQuest Ascension Skunk-Works
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Posted - 2008.06.09 19:28:00 -
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Edited by: Torshin on 09/06/2008 19:28:17 Several years ago Kugutsumen and all of his related accounts were banned for causing disturbances and general EULA violations. I believe that the CSM should bring forward the issue of setting a deadline for when Kugutsumen will be unbanned because it is his actions and revealing the corruption within CCP that lead to the formation of the CSM. I think that his ban should be lifted by the end of this councils term.
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lecrotta
lecrotta Corp
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Posted - 2008.06.09 19:32:00 -
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Edited by: lecrotta on 09/06/2008 19:35:46
He hacked so he deserves to be banned forever no matter the result, accepting this sort of behavior just because it perhaps produced results is a slippery slope and a bridge that should not be crossed.
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lecrotta
lecrotta Corp
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Posted - 2008.06.09 19:32:00 -
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Edited by: lecrotta on 09/06/2008 19:35:46
He hacked so he deserves to be banned forever no matter the result, accepting this sort of behavior just because it perhaps produced results is a slippery slope and a bridge that should not be crossed.
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Anton Marvik
AnTi. Atrocitas
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Posted - 2008.06.09 19:33:00 -
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[13:31] <Torshin> lets see if anyone replies first though
I totally support whatever this is.
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Anton Marvik
AnTi. Atrocitas
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Posted - 2008.06.09 19:33:00 -
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[13:31] <Torshin> lets see if anyone replies first though
I totally support whatever this is.
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Big Al
The Aftermath
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Posted - 2008.06.09 19:34:00 -
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Supportin before the delete.
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Sergio Ling
Veto.
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Posted - 2008.06.09 19:34:00 -
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No. their house, their rules. _
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Big Al
The Aftermath
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Posted - 2008.06.09 19:34:00 -
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Supportin before the delete.
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Sergio Ling
Veto.
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Posted - 2008.06.09 19:34:00 -
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No. their house, their rules. _
BET ISK ON ANYTHING AT ALL |
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Torshin
InQuest Ascension Skunk-Works
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Posted - 2008.06.09 19:35:00 -
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the hacking that occurred did not involve CCP nor did it affect ccp. Plenty of people have had their forums hacked from GF to Correli to Bruce. His hacking is not the reason he was banned and it remains to be seen whether it was him or one of his associates who actually hacked the RKK forums
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Torshin
InQuest Ascension Skunk-Works
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Posted - 2008.06.09 19:35:00 -
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the hacking that occurred did not involve CCP nor did it affect ccp. Plenty of people have had their forums hacked from GF to Correli to Bruce. His hacking is not the reason he was banned and it remains to be seen whether it was him or one of his associates who actually hacked the RKK forums
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Heroldyn
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Posted - 2008.06.09 19:38:00 -
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i support this issue. not because i think he earned it because how it added to formation of the csm, but because i was allways disapointed by ccp's response to that matter and because the formal reasoning of ccp for his ban was something alike "he put additional workload to our employees, which is an eula violation".
additionally while they accused him of illegal "hacking", they never showed any proof/evidence to thoose accusations.
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Herschel Yamamoto
Bloodmoney Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.06.09 19:38:00 -
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Anyone care to explain the incident in question? This is one I've never heard of. ------------------ Fix the forums! |
lecrotta
lecrotta Corp
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Posted - 2008.06.09 19:39:00 -
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Originally by: Torshin the hacking that occurred did not involve CCP nor did it affect ccp. Plenty of people have had their forums hacked from GF to Correli to Bruce. His hacking is not the reason he was banned and it remains to be seen whether it was him or one of his associates who actually hacked the RKK forums
He or somebody else broke the rules, but he claimed responsibility for it by his posting of the results of the hack therefore he must accept the consequences.
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Torshin
InQuest Ascension Skunk-Works
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Posted - 2008.06.09 19:39:00 -
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the incident in question is not up for discussion. If you would like to discuss it visit kugutsumen.com
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Torshin
InQuest Ascension Skunk-Works
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Posted - 2008.06.09 19:41:00 -
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Originally by: lecrotta
Originally by: Torshin the hacking that occurred did not involve CCP nor did it affect ccp. Plenty of people have had their forums hacked from GF to Correli to Bruce. His hacking is not the reason he was banned and it remains to be seen whether it was him or one of his associates who actually hacked the RKK forums
He or somebody else broke the rules, but he claimed responsibility for it by his posting of the results of the hack therefore he must accept the consequences.
posting chat logs of what are clearly abuses of power by individuals should not constitute a life time ban. Once again the actions you are talking about are not what CCP actually banned the player in question for.
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Darius JOHNSON
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.09 19:45:00 -
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If the case is that he did nothing to CCP then I cannot see a reason for them to have been banned. I've seen other MMO's ban people for items posted on guild websites and such and have always found it to be in bad form. I'll have to reserve judgement however until I understand the details. I cannot condone anything illegal.
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Torshin
InQuest Ascension Skunk-Works
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Posted - 2008.06.09 19:47:00 -
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Originally by: Darius JOHNSON If the case is that he did nothing to CCP then I cannot see a reason for them to have been banned. I've seen other MMO's ban people for items posted on guild websites and such and have always found it to be in bad form. I'll have to reserve judgement however until I understand the details. I cannot condone anything illegal.
does that mean you are interested in discussing the matter in the original post?
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Darius JOHNSON
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.09 19:49:00 -
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Originally by: Torshin
Originally by: Darius JOHNSON If the case is that he did nothing to CCP then I cannot see a reason for them to have been banned. I've seen other MMO's ban people for items posted on guild websites and such and have always found it to be in bad form. I'll have to reserve judgement however until I understand the details. I cannot condone anything illegal.
does that mean you are interested in discussing the matter in the original post?
It means exactly what I said. I cannot condone anything illegal for a multitude of reasons.
Whatever actions were taken, CCP acting on hearsay regarding attacks which were not focused on them is something I find disturbing should it prove to be true. I represent people who have been on the receiving end of claims of "Denial of service" attacks which was farcical at best and I can tell you I don't like the insinuation. I don't find it hard to believe others may have been falsely labeled without merit.
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Heroldyn
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Posted - 2008.06.09 19:49:00 -
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Originally by: lecrotta
Originally by: Torshin the hacking that occurred did not involve CCP nor did it affect ccp. Plenty of people have had their forums hacked from GF to Correli to Bruce. His hacking is not the reason he was banned and it remains to be seen whether it was him or one of his associates who actually hacked the RKK forums
He or somebody else broke the rules, but he claimed responsibility for it by his posting of the results of the hack therefore he must accept the consequences.
the results of his findings did not show that "illegal hacking" was involved in aquiring the information.
he was banned for "putting workload" to ccp employes. a very vague formulation from ccp, which also doesnt explain how a player can protect himself from accidently putting workload to a ccp employee either :P
in the end, every eve player profits from kugutsumens findings and the introduction of the "internal affairs" "department" at ccp.
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Ethaet
Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.06.09 19:50:00 -
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AFAIK from my limited understanding, he hacked a BoB forum and exposed the T20 thing, then got B& for something unrelated (not sure exactly what) -------------------------------------------------------------- Seriously, we need some kind of separation between the post and signature. There you go. Now that wasn't so hard |
lecrotta
lecrotta Corp
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Posted - 2008.06.09 19:51:00 -
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Originally by: Darius JOHNSON If the case is that he did nothing to CCP then I cannot see a reason for them to have been banned. I've seen other MMO's ban people for items posted on guild websites and such and have always found it to be in bad form. I'll have to reserve judgement however until I understand the details. I cannot condone anything illegal.
Kug gets blown up by BoB members and gets smack talked. Kug uses "sources" to get information (illegally) from BoB forums Kug (illegally) finds out dev cheating helps BoB and is happy Kug exposes this Kug gets accounts banned Kug gets VERY ****ed off because he misses getting to play EVE Kug threatens CCP and gets no results Kug uses his "sources" to get info (illegally) on some other innocent GM's (not devs) Kug threatens again and is again ignored Kug gets more ****ed about his eve addiction not being satisfied Kug assumes that the enslaver stuff will get him "unbanned" Kug is even more ****ed now so he will use "sources" to out other GM's in alliances that are associated with BoB
This pretty much covers it.
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Darius JOHNSON
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.09 19:58:00 -
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Originally by: lecrotta
Originally by: Darius JOHNSON If the case is that he did nothing to CCP then I cannot see a reason for them to have been banned. I've seen other MMO's ban people for items posted on guild websites and such and have always found it to be in bad form. I'll have to reserve judgement however until I understand the details. I cannot condone anything illegal.
Kug gets blown up by BoB members and gets smack talked. Kug uses "sources" to get information (illegally) from BoB forums Kug (illegally) finds out dev cheating helps BoB and is happy Kug exposes this Kug gets accounts banned Kug gets VERY ****ed off because he misses getting to play EVE Kug threatens CCP and gets no results Kug uses his "sources" to get info (illegally) on some other innocent GM's (not devs) Kug threatens again and is again ignored Kug gets more ****ed about his eve addiction not being satisfied Kug assumes that the enslaver stuff will get him "unbanned" Kug is even more ****ed now so he will use "sources" to out other GM's in alliances that are associated with BoB
This pretty much covers it.
If you don't want to get caught with mud on your hands don't play in the mud. I can't feel sorry for bad people getting caught doing bad things.
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Heroldyn
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Posted - 2008.06.09 20:00:00 -
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Originally by: lecrotta
Originally by: Darius JOHNSON If the case is that he did nothing to CCP then I cannot see a reason for them to have been banned. I've seen other MMO's ban people for items posted on guild websites and such and have always found it to be in bad form. I'll have to reserve judgement however until I understand the details. I cannot condone anything illegal.
Kug gets blown up by BoB members and gets smack talked. Kug uses "sources" to get information (illegally) from BoB forums Kug (illegally) finds out dev cheating helps BoB and is happy Kug exposes this Kug gets accounts banned Kug gets VERY ****ed off because he misses getting to play EVE Kug threatens CCP and gets no results Kug uses his "sources" to get info (illegally) on some other innocent GM's (not devs) Kug threatens again and is again ignored Kug gets more ****ed about his eve addiction not being satisfied Kug assumes that the enslaver stuff will get him "unbanned" Kug is even more ****ed now so he will use "sources" to out other GM's in alliances that are associated with BoB
This pretty much covers it.
thats just nonsense. if ccp had evidence that he did something "illegal", the would have banned him for that. and not for "workload". and they would have sued him propably aswell.
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mazzilliu
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.06.09 20:21:00 -
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kugutsumen cant complete my year old courier contract i have with his alt because he's banned and i want my sabres back some day. also the sniggwaffe corp fenrir thanks to ccp
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Gneeznow
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.06.09 20:26:00 -
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Free kugu ! he was banned unjustly.
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Ander
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.06.09 20:27:00 -
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I support unbanning kugutsumen. Yes, I am biased for being in PL.com .
But I believe that there're many others who have done much worse. BoB, RA, Goons. all of them metagame and have their network of spies.
What he did was to out a CCP employee AFTER he had contacted CCP about it. CCP had their usual "yeah we'll see what we can do about it" and then simply ignored it.
He risked everything by posting the proof. He got banned, but on the other hand some wrongs were corrected.
Why did CCP ban him? Not for a good reason imo.
EVE PIRATE
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App Rentoo
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Posted - 2008.06.09 20:28:00 -
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Free Nelson ma...errm, yes, free him. ---------------------------------------------- Caldari State corp standing services.
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Tabare Vazquez
Uruguay Forever
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Posted - 2008.06.09 20:28:00 -
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Kugutsumen is the only reason for your free vacation to Iceland, you should be thankful.
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