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shimmyckus
Blood Covenant Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.06.09 22:22:00 -
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Edited by: shimmyckus on 09/06/2008 22:23:35 free kugutusmen!
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Wish Kaan
Blood Covenant Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.06.09 22:27:00 -
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Edited by: Wish Kaan on 09/06/2008 22:27:08 Kugutusmen is a fighter for da ppl and ppl want him free!
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Serbia
Blood Covenant Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.06.09 22:28:00 -
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Supporting this
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Psilocybe Cubensis
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.06.09 22:29:00 -
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Edited by: Psilocybe Cubensis on 09/06/2008 22:29:17 I'm ofcourse biased due to my corp but I've also heard both sides of the story which put the press releases by CCP and the BoB CAOD-propaganda back then in a whole different light.
The banning of Kugutsumen has been a blemish on CCP's reputation. One which almost made me quit this game. The way they have handled the whole issue has been utterly unprofessional and by unbanning Kugutsumen they can make a gesture to the playerbase that their stance on the matter was sub-optimal in the past and that they have now changed their ways.
Thanks for starting this initiative, Torshin.
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Hamfast
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Posted - 2008.06.09 22:31:00 -
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Originally by: Darius JOHNSON I actually find it quite cute that the reason for the council has gone from oversight to what it is today. I've been struggling with a way to get a meeting regarding IA/investigations on the agenda, specifically to learn more about how these things are dealt with, and haven't thought yet of a way to frame it. That is my background so I'd be curious to see how these internal things are handled by them.
I'll try and think of a way to work it in as it's certainly not an item that's been put forth as a game issue, but still a worthwhile pursuit I should think. This can certainly be a part of that discussion if I can make it happen.
Darius,
While I can't currently find the post, CCP Xhagen said in a post early on in the CSM discussion that if the CSM asked, he would get IA to show up...
Good luck --------*****--------
Learn and be informed, because a Politicians worst nightmare is an informed voter...
So choose your CSM Candidates wisely
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John Whorfin
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Posted - 2008.06.09 22:36:00 -
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Supported.
Unban him immediately, and end this grievous miscarriage of justice. Especially given the cheaters, and those that profitted from their actions weren't punished in the least. It's ridiculous that a whistleblower took the only fall. |
Herschel Yamamoto
Bloodmoney Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.06.09 22:44:00 -
[67]
Okay, my ignorance is apparently just the guy's name, because I certainly know of the incident in question. Yeah, this ban is BS, and he ought to get his account back. ------------------ Fix the forums! |
DaMadness
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Posted - 2008.06.09 23:07:00 -
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Edited by: DaMadness on 09/06/2008 23:06:56 Personally I don't know enough details on if his ban was just or not. All I can find on the internet (including Wikipedia) is that he was banned for creating workload.
I support that he ether get unbanned or a just reason be provided as this is a blemish on a company who has created an amasing game.
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Wu Marusyn
Spartan Industrial Manufacturing SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.09 23:16:00 -
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supporting this
sup fạghạm, did you get those knee pads i sent you? |
Lorq vonRay
Spartan Industrial Manufacturing SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.09 23:22:00 -
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Edited by: Lorq vonRay on 09/06/2008 23:23:52 Edited by: Lorq vonRay on 09/06/2008 23:23:28 supporting this, what ever happened to that CCP employee? prob works in the petition dept.
Originally by: John Whorfin Supported.
Unban him immediately, and end this grievous miscarriage of justice. Especially given the cheaters, and those that profitted from their actions weren't punished in the least. It's ridiculous that a whistleblower took the only fall.
just quoting that cause BB is ******* awesome
**edited to include the stupid thumbs up thing
GOD WILLS IT! |
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Heartstone
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.06.09 23:30:00 -
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Never.
CCP handed him a ban. The Ban stays. They are under no obligation to allow anyone to play thier game if they so chose and frankly peeing in the sandbox just makes it moist for everyone.
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Vladic Ka
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.06.09 23:34:00 -
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I support this product and/or service.
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Trezzym
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Posted - 2008.06.09 23:50:00 -
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Agreed, its about time CCP corrects their knee-jerk reaction and banning. |
Theramin Dogon
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.09 23:56:00 -
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voting before the thread disappears |
Ymrir
Cog Ex Machina
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Posted - 2008.06.10 00:06:00 -
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He blew the whistle on blatant developer misconduct. CCP denied it, tried to cover it up, and blow clouds of smoke to distract people from it... And when eventually public outcry forced them to admit what happened, and forced the developer to post a public apology about his actions... Kugutsumen was banned.
The way the matter was handled, and the banning of Kugutsumen (under a catch-all "you can't make our jobs harder or we ban you' clause) is a black, black mark on CCP's reputation and showed the playerbase CCP's true face. -- Ad Astra |
Captain Longshlong
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Posted - 2008.06.10 00:12:00 -
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He faced CCP's despotic wrath in the hopes of making the game a better, cheat free place. He's one of the few players that deserves the title of Martyr.
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bogbubble
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.06.10 00:21:00 -
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i always felt he was banned as CCP's way of discrediting the fact their employee cheated. i support this.
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Ander
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.06.10 00:29:00 -
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Just today on slashdot people were discussing developer misconduct and that they unfairly unbanned the whistleblower. The view that CCP are cheating bastards still live on.
This wont change unless CCP actually admits fault.
EVE PIRATE
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Jinx Barker
GFB Scientific
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Posted - 2008.06.10 00:30:00 -
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OP should modify the thread title from "Player Banning" a rather general and obscure, until one reads the contents, to "Unban Kugutsumen" - that way we will all know what is going on....
As far as I understand, CCP has a full authority to pretty much do anything they want in the game world and on forums. All our stuff belongs to them.... that said, I do not know what exactly happened, even after reading all the information on his forums - I am not certain how he obtained the DB that implicated certain characters in the now-well-established passed scandal.
If he obtained the information legally, or as legally as one can, then I would certainly not mind CSM taking a closer look at the Kugutsumen affair - however, if the information has been obtained via a hack, or other illegal means, then I would not be able to support it at all - even though I am am avid reader of his forums.
Other than that, I am just bumping this thread to see what happens - and if CSM would ask some questions and perhaps prepare a report without too many details on what CCP told them was the reason for banning.
Was it a retaliation for outing some well known characters, was it for illegal actions that lead to the outing that can be proven by CCP? What was it - the affair is well know and widely publicized, a small inquiry would be in order - but I can not support to just "unabn" the guy, need more info.
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Rikkard Strofeldt
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.06.10 00:38:00 -
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This man did all of EVE a service, and got banned for his trouble.
Not because he broke the rules. Because he made CCP look stupid.
Free Kugutsumen! --
Madness has arisen. |
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Elektrea
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2008.06.10 00:40:00 -
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Unban!
Happy HOur Minning and Industry
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Kian Jorry
Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.06.10 00:42:00 -
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- I want to live. I want a home, and children, and peace.
- Do ya?
- Aye, I do. I've asked God for these things. It's all for nothing if you don't have freedom.
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Straife
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.06.10 00:56:00 -
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Revealing the truth behind a scandal is NOT a reason to ban someone.
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Dmayhem
Universal Agencies
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Posted - 2008.06.10 01:30:00 -
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Right the wrongs of the ban.
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Messerschmitt facility
Shinra Shinra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.10 01:44:00 -
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I support this. Unban him. If he wouldn't have spoken then we would still have DEV's that cheat in the game we pay. He should've been awarded but not with the ban stick. _________________________________
A conclusion is the place where you got tired of thinking...
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shuckstar
Hauling hogs CryoGenesis Mining Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.06.10 01:53:00 -
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Originally by: bogbubble i always felt he was banned as CCP's way of discrediting the fact their employee cheated. i support this.
Yep i thought this aswell, supported.
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nikhan
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2008.06.10 02:04:00 -
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Supporting this. |
Ohne
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.06.10 02:06:00 -
[88]
Supporting this. |
KardonHarman
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.06.10 20:11:00 -
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This should have been done ages ago...
Shame on CCP for shooting the messenger
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Euriti
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2008.06.10 20:14:00 -
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Afaik:
- He didn't hack the RKK forums to get the DB dump. He convinced some admin that he was someone else and was given the dump willingly.
- He went to CCP first with the whole t20 deal and gave them a chance to deal with it, once they did nothing then he went public.
- After the whole thing broke, CCP asked him to take down kugu.com while they investigated, and he did. CCP then banned him, and he brought it back.
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