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Romale
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.06.15 04:39:00 -
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Originally by: Torshin I believe the exact reasoning comes down to CCP banned Kug for creating additional work load for CCP employees. What this is referring to is the manner in which he revealed the T20 information and the threadnought and disabling of the forums that followed this information being public.
it was the best of times, it was the worst of times
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Shade Millith
Knights Of the Black Sun Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.06.15 10:54:00 -
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If he is the person who revealed the cheating going on between a CCP member and BoB then unban him
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Skyraker7
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.06.15 11:18:00 -
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Skyraker7
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.06.15 11:26:00 -
[184]
oh and backdate his skillpoints.
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sakana
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.06.15 12:08:00 -
[185]
Originally by: Athar Mu OK...what the hell? I hope that Kugutsumen is never allowed to play this game again. As for what I have read I get the impression that all he was doing is griefing players, whether they are GM's or not it doesn't matter.
I say F*** him and F*** this thread!
Oh hi there, what a great attitude to bring to this discussion, suffer from aggression problems much?
Also your "impression" gathered from "what you have read" is so far off the truth it's painful to read. If you are not going to question or discuss the actions of CCP, why are you in the CSM forum section?
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The Economist
Logically Consistent
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Posted - 2008.06.15 13:47:00 -
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Originally by: Torshin Edited by: Torshin on 09/06/2008 19:28:17 Several years ago Kugutsumen and all of his related accounts were banned for causing disturbances and general EULA violations. I believe that the CSM should bring forward the issue of setting a deadline for when Kugutsumen will be unbanned because it is his actions and revealing the corruption within CCP that lead to the formation of the CSM. I think that his ban should be lifted by the end of this councils term.
No.
Perma-ban.
CSM: This so called council got elected by 5.7% of the player base! (12678 votes)
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Raef Ruoy
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.06.15 21:25:00 -
[187]
Free him. -Raef
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Rando Dakari
Trans Galactic Trading Inc.
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Posted - 2008.06.15 21:26:00 -
[188]
I agree free him
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ThatMiningMan
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Posted - 2008.06.15 21:27:00 -
[189]
I agree
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Saffrina
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Posted - 2008.06.15 21:28:00 -
[190]
Edited by: Saffrina on 15/06/2008 21:27:45 Unjustly done free.
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Sonva Lat
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Posted - 2008.06.15 23:20:00 -
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I don't really understand why there is a call to unban him. His crusade didn't actually do any good, did it? I mean, he exposed a scandal and blackened Eve's name across the internet, and threw the community in to turmoil, but what did he actually acheive?
T20 had already been disciplined (not harshly enough), and the revelation did nothing other than force him to post an apology.
So, now we have calls to unban the one person who has probably done more harm to the community than any other, and who has done no good at all. Bad idea.
Once he was banned did he show remorse? No, he continued with increased vitrol, desperately trying to vindicate himself as the self proclaimed saivour of Eve.
Did the T20 revelation improve Eve, or did it just ruin the community? CCP had dealt with it months before it became public (and even if T20 should have been sacked, he wasn't, and nor would it be fair to discipline him twice for the same offence), and to be honest I wish it had all stayed behind closed doors, and that is what should happen with all instances of people breaking the rules. It is a private matter between CCP and the individual, player or employee, and it should remain that way.
No good comes from lynch mobs.
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John Whorfin
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Posted - 2008.06.16 00:28:00 -
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Originally by: Sonva Lat I don't really understand why there is a call to unban him.
Becuase the ban was ridiculously unjust. Mulla said, "Hey, these guys are cheating!" And CCP said, "Whatever. Shutup. You're not allowed to play anymore." That's messed up, and it needs to be fixed.
Originally by: Sonva Lat His crusade didn't actually do any good, did it?
It did. It started a whole war that's been going on for two years now, where half the universe, the half that hates cheating, went to war against the other half, the cheating half, and those that suck up to them. It brought the corruption to light, and exposed the seedy underbelly of misconduct, causing CCP to make a lot of hollow promises about player oversight in the form of the player council. I'd call that some good.
Originally by: Sonva Lat I mean, he exposed a scandal and blackened Eve's name across the internet,
No. T20 started that, BoB continued it, and then CCP did it to themselves.
Originally by: Sonva Lat T20 had already been disciplined
No he hadn't. Nothing was done until the cheating was made public. T20's punishment came shortly thereafter, and the playerbase didn't start hearing about it until later, and when cries of harsher punishment came along, it was revealed that those with the real power of punishment at CCP had been on vacation, or whatever other excuse, and were not going to act against T20 again, since some form of punishment, whatever it was, had already been meted out in their absence.
Originally by: Sonva Lat So, now we have calls to unban the one person who has probably done more harm to the community than any other,
Kugutsumen did no harm to the community. The whistleblower is not the one responsible for the initial cheating, he's not the one responsible for others profiting from the cheating, and he's not the one responsible for banning himself, and putting a black mark on CCP's name by banning a player who did nothing wrong, and, instead, some things very, very right.
Originally by: Sonva Lat Once he was banned did he show remorse?
Remorse for what? For being the hero in this story?
Originally by: Sonva Lat to be honest I wish it had all stayed behind closed doors, and that is what should happen with all instances of people breaking the rules.
Said the BoB member.
Originally by: Sonva Lat It is a private matter between CCP and the individual, player or employee, and it should remain that way.
No. We have the player oversight commitee for things like this. They were initially supposed to be for all kinds of cool things, and not just for idiots whining about moon materials or nanoships. It was supposed to be for us, as a community, to raise issues exactly like this, and so we're god damned well going, whether you like it or not.
Originally by: Sonva Lat No good comes from lynch mobs.
No good comes from jack booted fascist thuggery, and people completely ignoring wrongdoing either. Stick your head in the sand all you want to. The rest of us actually give a **** about the game, and the environment it exists in. If we didn't, we would have all done the really right thing when this all came to light, and just stopped giving our money to an organization that reacts like this to whistleblowing, instead of making out feelings known by going to war, and *****ing on the forums.
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Seth Rock
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.06.16 02:50:00 -
[193]
Do the right thing ccp...unban him _________________________________________
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Torshin
InQuest Ascension Skunk-Works
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Posted - 2008.06.16 05:07:00 -
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im not positive but i don't think the T2 bpos were removed until this information was made public. Therefore to the question of wether he did any good the answer would be yes. and you can't blame him for blacking CCPs name. What blackened it were the actions of t20. Its like saying reporters are out of line to report scandals that happen because they are ruining the people invovled in the scandals lives.
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Goumindong
Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.16 06:15:00 -
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The BPOs were not removed until after the issue had came to light.
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Tomic
The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.06.16 12:14:00 -
[196]
Unban him.
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MaataHaari
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Posted - 2008.06.16 12:21:00 -
[197]
supporting
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Milan Sovilj
Blood Covenant Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.06.16 12:27:00 -
[198]
supporting
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Red Thunder
Most Wanted INC G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.06.16 15:37:00 -
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*high fives kugutsumen* Eagles may soar, but weasels dont get sucked into jet engines |
Dianeces
The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.06.16 15:41:00 -
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Originally by: Milan Sovilj supporting
It helps if you check the box. Just sayin'.
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steejans nix
0beron Construct
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Posted - 2008.06.16 16:45:00 -
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Not around back then but definately support this.
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Marisal
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Posted - 2008.06.16 17:43:00 -
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Despite been completely outside the scope of what the CSM is meant to be about, I fully support CCP on this one, CCP has the right to ban anyone at their discretion without needing to justify it, everyone agree's to that by choosing to continue to play the game, frankly if you have an issue with that you can vote with their wallets and stop playing... I think people will be less willing to get behind this kinda issue if they aren't willing to put their accounts on the line for it.
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Darius JOHNSON
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Posted - 2008.06.16 18:27:00 -
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Originally by: Marisal Despite been completely outside the scope of what the CSM is meant to be about
Actually sir the issues that kugu brought to light are the reason that the CSM exists. You know, back when it was supposed to be an oversight committee and not a group of dudes pretending they know how to rewrite the game?
Originally by: Jade Constantine You might be a big man on the internets Darius but prepare to be laughed at quite a lot in Europe.
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Achmetha
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Posted - 2008.06.16 18:30:00 -
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Eltyron
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.06.16 18:42:00 -
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I support the unbanning of Kugu.
(Did you expect something other than my support?)
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KeratinBoy
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.16 18:53:00 -
[206]
I support this. Free the Kugutsumen 1!
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Shiwan Khan
Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.06.16 19:11:00 -
[207]
What Kugu did was expose the corruption in this game. He was wrongly banned. Fix it. ____________________________________________
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Tehel Necrona
Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.06.17 03:52:00 -
[208]
Supporting this, I have a "friend" who watched one of these scandals go down in real time, and he was quite upset at the whole thing.
Then Kugu exposed it and some heads rolled.
P.S. LMAO @ Narciss owning Jade
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Falcun
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.06.17 04:16:00 -
[209]
Free him. |
Illuvian
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2008.06.17 04:33:00 -
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Definitely in support of this.
Metus improbos compescit, non clementia. It is fear, not kindness that restrains the wicked. |
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