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Death4free
Caldari Assault Fleet
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Posted - 2008.06.09 19:59:00 -
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First of all id like to get off on a positive note. I hate carebears with a burning passion and belive that they are only here to serve the greater players (a.k.a anyone who has actually used a weapon on another player(ingame ofc))
Now i understand ccp feeling the need to put up a player council so they could say "hey we did it first screw u wow" and they could pull in more subscirbers by promising "your votes will count" and all that crap but star wars galaxies beat you too it with their galatic reps or w/e
Anyways the point being that CSM is faulty because they do not represent the full eve community. My reasoning behidn this is:
1.There is not 1 pirate representative.
2.There is not a merc representative (sry if im wrong on this 1)
There may be afew 0.0 alliances reps but they will be outweighed by the carebears. This will unfortunately lead too...
1. The nerfing of wars (1 war dec per corp or some crap like that)
2.Concord in low sec (comon lets face it carebears will whine until they are safe everywhere in eve)
3.The eventual death of lo sec pvp (its bad atm)
What i propose is to totally wipe clean the current CSM comitte as its kinda obvious they rent getting along anyway (im looking at you jade)and if they do bring it back they should have it split so EVERY GROUP HAS A FAIR REPRESENTATION. i dont care who got the most votes as carebears far outnumber the pvpers (however if it wasnt for pvpers carebears wouldnt have anyone 2 sell their stuff 2 now would they) so what i propose is.
15 seats minimum
3-Mining
3-Missioning
3-0.0 Alliances
3-Mercs/Empire war
3-Pirates
This means that pretty much all the groups get a fair rep rather than just the carebears and afew 0.0 alliances (which is what it is now)
Also please ppl stop posting crappy ideas (no they arent going to nerf nano, no they arent going to nerf blobs (well maybe...)no they arent going to nerf titans,t2 bpos,motherships etc)
Now i understand that many of you will object to this as you want the entire of CSM to be controlled by carebears but it will lead to your demise eventually along with all of eve.....
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Death4free
Caldari Assault Fleet
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Posted - 2008.06.09 19:59:00 -
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First of all id like to get off on a positive note. I hate carebears with a burning passion and belive that they are only here to serve the greater players (a.k.a anyone who has actually used a weapon on another player(ingame ofc))
Now i understand ccp feeling the need to put up a player council so they could say "hey we did it first screw u wow" and they could pull in more subscirbers by promising "your votes will count" and all that crap but star wars galaxies beat you too it with their galatic reps or w/e
Anyways the point being that CSM is faulty because they do not represent the full eve community. My reasoning behidn this is:
1.There is not 1 pirate representative.
2.There is not a merc representative (sry if im wrong on this 1)
There may be afew 0.0 alliances reps but they will be outweighed by the carebears. This will unfortunately lead too...
1. The nerfing of wars (1 war dec per corp or some crap like that)
2.Concord in low sec (comon lets face it carebears will whine until they are safe everywhere in eve)
3.The eventual death of lo sec pvp (its bad atm)
What i propose is to totally wipe clean the current CSM comitte as its kinda obvious they rent getting along anyway (im looking at you jade)and if they do bring it back they should have it split so EVERY GROUP HAS A FAIR REPRESENTATION. i dont care who got the most votes as carebears far outnumber the pvpers (however if it wasnt for pvpers carebears wouldnt have anyone 2 sell their stuff 2 now would they) so what i propose is.
15 seats minimum
3-Mining
3-Missioning
3-0.0 Alliances
3-Mercs/Empire war
3-Pirates
This means that pretty much all the groups get a fair rep rather than just the carebears and afew 0.0 alliances (which is what it is now)
Also please ppl stop posting crappy ideas (no they arent going to nerf nano, no they arent going to nerf blobs (well maybe...)no they arent going to nerf titans,t2 bpos,motherships etc)
Now i understand that many of you will object to this as you want the entire of CSM to be controlled by carebears but it will lead to your demise eventually along with all of eve.....
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2008.06.09 20:06:00 -
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 Originally by: Death4free
Anyways the point being that CSM is faulty because they do not represent the full eve community. My reasoning behidn this is:
1.There is not 1 pirate representative.
2.There is not a merc representative (sry if im wrong on this 1)
I flew with a well-respected pirate corporation for + year. Doesn't that count?
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Hamfast
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Posted - 2008.06.09 20:06:00 -
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I see mining (that I do) and Missioning (that I do), but nothing for Industry (building) and Science (invention) that I do both of... so can I have 2 seats?
Pirates, Mercs and every other segment of Eve had the chance to run and get voted in... this time around, we got this group of 9... next time, we will get another set (perhaps with some of the same people... and with the vote levels reached, anyone has a chance to run and win...
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Learn and be informed, because a Politicians worst nightmare is an informed voter...
So choose your CSM Candidates wisely
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2008.06.09 20:06:00 -
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Originally by: Death4free
Anyways the point being that CSM is faulty because they do not represent the full eve community. My reasoning behidn this is:
1.There is not 1 pirate representative.
2.There is not a merc representative (sry if im wrong on this 1)
I flew with a well-respected pirate corporation for + year. Doesn't that count?
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Hamfast
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Posted - 2008.06.09 20:06:00 -
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I see mining (that I do) and Missioning (that I do), but nothing for Industry (building) and Science (invention) that I do both of... so can I have 2 seats?
Pirates, Mercs and every other segment of Eve had the chance to run and get voted in... this time around, we got this group of 9... next time, we will get another set (perhaps with some of the same people... and with the vote levels reached, anyone has a chance to run and win...
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Learn and be informed, because a Politicians worst nightmare is an informed voter...
So choose your CSM Candidates wisely
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Death4free
Caldari Assault Fleet
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Posted - 2008.06.09 20:10:00 -
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Originally by: Hamfast
I see mining (that I do) and Missioning (that I do), but nothing for Industry (building) and Science (invention) that I do both of... so can I have 2 seats?
Pirates, Mercs and every other segment of Eve had the chance to run and get voted in... this time around, we got this group of 9... next time, we will get another set (perhaps with some of the same people... and with the vote levels reached, anyone has a chance to run and win...
the votng system is extremely unfair
since carebears have a misguided view of pirates thinking them exploiters and omgyouwouldntgethisinwowhowcantheykillmewhinewhinewhine
they will all vote for the carebears so....... if a well respected pirate went up for csm they would get maybe 1/100 of the entire eve population voting for them if all the pirates banded together and voted...
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Furb Killer
USC Militia
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Posted - 2008.06.09 20:32:00 -
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Pirates vote for pirates and carebears for carebears. That is democracy, welcome to it.
And reading your post, i can understand when carebears have those feelings.
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I hate carebears with a burning passion and belive that they are only here to serve the greater players
Yeah uhm, right. You are sick.
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1. The nerfing of wars (1 war dec per corp or some crap like that)
This is based on what exactly? Your imagination?
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2.Concord in low sec (comon lets face it carebears will whine until they are safe everywhere in eve)
Most carebears dont give a crap about low sec. Only thing they want is that idiots like you stop being an idiot and just let them be happy without telling them they are wrong for not going into low sec.
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3.The eventual death of lo sec pvp (its bad atm)
There are 2 reasons low sec pvp is almost dead:
1. No reward in low sec compared to high sec
2. Gatecamping + 'pirates' who only fight when they outnumber targets
None of these problems are due to carebears.
And your definition of fair is kinda flawed.
Lets do that IRL, I know how we can split country in 2 groups during election: one group is me, other group is everyone else. And of course both groups should get same ammount of representatives...
Oh and yeah, before you flame me, i do pvp.
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2008.06.09 20:34:00 -
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Originally by: Death4free
the votng system is extremely unfair
since carebears have a misguided view of pirates thinking them exploiters and omgyouwouldntgethisinwowhowcantheykillmewhinewhinewhine
they will all vote for the carebears so....... if a well respected pirate went up for csm they would get maybe 1/100 of the entire eve population voting for them if all the pirates banded together and voted...
Are you using "carebear" to describe industrialists and people who does PvE in general?
Because that isn't true. MANY people go into these things to fuel their PvP habbits. Same is true for me.
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Pnuka
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.09 20:41:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Death4free
the votng system is extremely unfair
since carebears have a misguided view of pirates thinking them exploiters and omgyouwouldntgethisinwowhowcantheykillmewhinewhinewhine
they will all vote for the carebears so....... if a well respected pirate went up for csm they would get maybe 1/100 of the entire eve population voting for them if all the pirates banded together and voted...
Are you using "carebear" to describe industrialists and people who does PvE in general?
Because that isn't true. MANY people go into these things to fuel their PvP habbits. Same is true for me.
Often "carebears" put up alot more risk then normal players, especially on the industrial side. But anyway, issues are brought up here and talked about in neutrality so list your pirate issues and if enough agree it will get discussed.
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Farrqua
Turbo Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.06.09 20:47:00 -
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Doesn't Hardin have a pirate background? I thought he mentioned that. LaVsita does.
But being a roid hugger does not disqualify me from my views of PvP. What determines a "carebear"? Do look at there character sheet and say. hmm well this guy is a carebear?
Or is it by his platform?
Or should they claim "Pirate" "0.0" (Industrialist/carebear" like being nominate Green Party, Republican or Dem?
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Hardin
TBH Holdings
The Black Horizon
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Posted - 2008.06.09 20:59:00 -
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Originally by: Farrqua
Doesn't Hardin have a pirate background?
Well if you consider me setting up the Privateers and Burn Eden alliances then yes - maybe 
But seriously I have been a dedicated anti-pirate right back to the good old days in Sarum Prime
However while my 'roleplay' character may be a hardcore pirate hater I personally recognise the value of pirates to this game - and would never support anything that would see the profession wiped out. Hell Verone wouldn't let me!
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Death4free
Caldari Assault Fleet
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Posted - 2008.06.09 21:13:00 -
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Originally by: Hardin
Originally by: Farrqua
Doesn't Hardin have a pirate background?
Well if you consider me setting up the Privateers and Burn Eden alliances then yes - maybe
But seriously I have been a dedicated anti-pirate right back to the good old days in Sarum Prime
However while my 'roleplay' character may be a hardcore pirate hater I personally recognise the value of pirates to this game - and would never support anything that would see the profession wiped out. Hell Verone wouldn't let me!
ok well aslong as there are atleast 1 or 2 reps but i still think my original csm plan is teh sexest
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Satis Tyr
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.06.09 21:49:00 -
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::facepalm::
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