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Jacob Mei
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Posted - 2008.06.11 01:06:00 -
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So the caldari lost hundreds of ships to secure a planet in a system that is the capital of gallente space.... kinda a waste of resources wasnt it? I mean cant the gallente setup a blockade or simply not permit caldari ships from entering the system?
Im not sayin that it wasnt a moral boost for the caldari people but in the long term they have a titan baby sitting a planet that can easily be locked off from the rest of the galaxy, seems to me like a tactical mistake that is going to come back to bite the caldari in the ass if you ask me. -------------------------------- To borrow a phrase:
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Lone Gunman
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Posted - 2008.06.11 01:11:00 -
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I take it Jake, that you are NOT a role Player?
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Shakari Sween
Entropians on Vacation
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Posted - 2008.06.11 01:17:00 -
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Originally by: Jacob Mei So the caldari lost hundreds of ships to secure a planet in a system that is the capital of gallente space.... kinda a waste of resources wasnt it? I mean cant the gallente setup a blockade or simply not permit caldari ships from entering the system?
Im not sayin that it wasnt a moral boost for the caldari people but in the long term they have a titan baby sitting a planet that can easily be locked off from the rest of the galaxy, seems to me like a tactical mistake that is going to come back to bite the caldari in the ass if you ask me.
Because they wanted back the caladari capital that was liberated by the Gallente quite some time ago. |
Abrazzar
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Posted - 2008.06.11 01:18:00 -
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Doesn't the name Caldari Prime indicate some kind of importance this planet has for the Caldari? |
Sylper Illysten
Ex Coelis The Bantam Menace
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Posted - 2008.06.11 01:21:00 -
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Edited by: Sylper Illysten on 11/06/2008 01:21:58 Today the Caldari people reclaim their birth place from the decadent Gallente state. The liberation of Caldari Prime show stand as a rallying point for all Caldari. |
Jacob Mei
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Posted - 2008.06.11 01:23:00 -
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Originally by: Lone Gunman I take it Jake, that you are NOT a role Player?
Used to be but not the point, though I guess at certain points of view it is.
From a tactical point of view you have a titan, a mammoth of a ship, sitting in enemy territory guarding a lone planet. It has a support fleet, but hardly large enough to capture the whole system or make an attempt to redraw the lines so the system lies on your side of the border. Eventually its going to run low on fuel, ammo and supplies. It cant use its DDD as that would be political suicide for Tibus Heth, as well as would sign his death warrent.
Essentially, the titan is on the losing end of a stand off. All the gallente have to do is prevent refueling convoys from reaching the titan and that is simple enough. |
Chucky
Honour Bound Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.06.11 01:24:00 -
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And its the best place to grow weed!! |
Messerschmitt facility
Shinra Shinra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.11 01:28:00 -
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Was Caldari prime a Gallente sov until now? Rofl I didn't even noticed _________________________________
A conclusion is the place where you got tired of thinking...
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Jmanis Catharg
Stickler inc
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Posted - 2008.06.11 01:30:00 -
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Quote: . It cant use its DDD as that would be political suicide for Tibus Heth,
It already did I thought, ref: the other topic in GD.
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Marie Trudeau
Trudeau Enterprises S.a.r.l.
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Posted - 2008.06.11 01:38:00 -
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The whole idea was to create a fulcrum for faction war. Having the Caldari occupy CP was both predictable and sensible from the game design perspective: the idea is to give a grievance for war, from the RP perspective, and of course irridentist Caldari ideas about CP are very commonplace in the fiction, so there you are. It's supposed to create a wellspring of pride on the Caldari side and resentment on the Gallente side -- i.e., the stuff of which war is made. |
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Jacob Mei
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Posted - 2008.06.11 01:48:00 -
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Im talking about a tactical situation though. In a RP perspective I understand the need to kick off the caldari gallente war but, I guess again RP, its going to hurt the caldari side when that thing falls due to "starvation".
Think about it from a military perspective and you will see where I am coming from. |
Jacob Mei
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Posted - 2008.06.11 01:50:00 -
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Originally by: Jmanis Catharg
Quote: . It cant use its DDD as that would be political suicide for Tibus Heth,
It already did I thought, ref: the other topic in GD.
I read that thread, no screnshots and some are even denying the claims. |
cal nereus
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.06.11 02:01:00 -
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Edited by: cal nereus on 11/06/2008 02:02:08
It's Caldari Prime. Regardless of how difficult it is to hold, Caldari Prime has a deeper meaning than mere strategic value. Besides, the Gallene capital system is only a couple jumps from Caldari territory anyways. Even if the Gallente try to lock down the system, the Caldari State can get through the back-door (unlike the players). Titans are the ultimate logistics tool. One might even say their primary function is the movement of resources, fuel, ammo, etc. --- Earning Isk Basic Skills |
Shakari Sween
Entropians on Vacation
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Posted - 2008.06.11 02:06:00 -
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Originally by: Jacob Mei Im talking about a tactical situation though. In a RP perspective I understand the need to kick off the caldari gallente war but, I guess again RP, its going to hurt the caldari side when that thing falls due to "starvation".
Think about it from a military perspective and you will see where I am coming from.
Its also pretty valid from a tactical situation. It rallies the whole nation behind the war effort. It makes it seem worth while. Not to mention that now that they have caladari prime they can just refuel it etc from caladari prime. They dont need to send ships from other systems to refuel it etc. So i hear there's no line to break sigs so your reading this cause I put it in to look like part of my post! |
Captain Esharra
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.06.11 02:31:00 -
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Originally by: Shakari Sween
Originally by: Jacob Mei Im talking about a tactical situation though. In a RP perspective I understand the need to kick off the caldari gallente war but, I guess again RP, its going to hurt the caldari side when that thing falls due to "starvation".
Think about it from a military perspective and you will see where I am coming from.
Its also pretty valid from a tactical situation. It rallies the whole nation behind the war effort. It makes it seem worth while. Not to mention that now that they have caladari prime they can just refuel it etc from caladari prime. They dont need to send ships from other systems to refuel it etc.
This is good, strategy beats tactics at this level.
Like if some nation came along and pushed you and your people right out and claimed your country as their own...of course you would try to get it back...its your home man!
Its the human side, why we are so emotional. |
Ehranavaar
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Posted - 2008.06.11 02:42:00 -
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Originally by: Jacob Mei Im talking about a tactical situation though. In a RP perspective I understand the need to kick off the caldari gallente war but, I guess again RP, its going to hurt the caldari side when that thing falls due to "starvation".
Think about it from a military perspective and you will see where I am coming from.
it's no sillier than the nato toehold in berlin was during the cold war was. if fighting broke out those overstrength brigades garrisoning berlin were writeoffs and yet they stayed there for 30 years because the psychological value of owning the place was worth the garrison's lives. |
Artemis Rose
Eleckrostatik
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Posted - 2008.06.11 02:55:00 -
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My guess is that Heth needed something BIG to keep everybody rallied up and foaming at the mouth. And what better objective than restoring Caldari Prime to its rightful owners? |
Demonic Sentiment
Dissonance Corp
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Posted - 2008.06.11 02:56:00 -
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lol it was the first caldari home world aka caldari PRIME lol |
Novemb3r
Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition
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Posted - 2008.06.11 03:01:00 -
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Originally by: Jacob Mei Used to be but not the point, though I guess at certain points of view it is.
From a tactical point of view you have a titan, a mammoth of a ship, sitting in enemy territory guarding a lone planet. It has a support fleet, but hardly large enough to capture the whole system or make an attempt to redraw the lines so the system lies on your side of the border. Eventually its going to run low on fuel, ammo and supplies. It cant use its DDD as that would be political suicide for Tibus Heth, as well as would sign his death warrent.
Essentially, the titan is on the losing end of a stand off. All the gallente have to do is prevent refueling convoys from reaching the titan and that is simple enough.
Remember though that the nations are not restricted by the rules disallowing capitals in highsec like players are. The titan at CP is a good example of this. So as long as they have a fleet somewhere they have the capability to open cynos and jump in whole fleets. They could theoretically continually reinforce the titan with dreads and carriers carrying smaller ships. |
Micheal Dietrich
Terradyne Networks
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Posted - 2008.06.11 03:05:00 -
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Think of it as Stalingrad in WW2 |
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Pytria Le'Danness
Placid Reborn
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Posted - 2008.06.11 08:29:00 -
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It nicely stopped the quite boring "Give us back Caldari Prime" drivel in the IGS :D
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bwheeler
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Posted - 2008.06.11 08:33:00 -
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We now have our home planet back. We will fight to the end to keep it that way!
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Erotic Irony
0bsession
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Posted - 2008.06.11 08:35:00 -
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winning and losing mean exactly the same thing
put another way winning is losing is nothing ___ Eve Players are not very smart. Support Killmail Overhaul
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S3dINSTBE
Just Another Indy Corp
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Posted - 2008.06.11 08:37:00 -
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Originally by: Pytria Le'Danness It nicely stopped the quite boring "Give us back Caldari Prime" drivel in the IGS :D
The Gallente didn't want that planet anyway
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Mecinia Lua
Galactic Express Frontier Trade League
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Posted - 2008.06.11 08:39:00 -
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It's the Caldari Homeworld....it was in Gallante hands since the last war....
Thoughts expressed are mine and mine alone. They do not necessarily reflect my alliances thoughts. |
DeadRow
Mercenary Forces
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Posted - 2008.06.11 09:07:00 -
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Edited by: DeadRow on 11/06/2008 09:08:57
Originally by: Mecinia Lua It's the Caldari Homeworld....it was in Gallante hands since the last war....
It was the Caldari Homeworld. They moved, starting a war over a planet is hardly a smart thing to do. And what good has it given the Caldari people? They took a single world, which is still inside now enemy territory. And the incursion into Gallente Federation is most likely illegal anyways as it was taken during the CONCORD outage, I wouldn't be surpised if it changing hands back to its former owner.
edit: Thought this was the IGS -_-
Quote: Iz in ur base, implanting ur dudes
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Kirjava
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2008.06.11 09:09:00 -
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Ever played the game Homeworld?
Caldari Prime is Hiigara.
On another note, imagine Humans were by force exiled from Earth. We would want it back would we not? No matter how good life would be on worlds we terraform we would want back the Homeworld.
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Seldaaria
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Posted - 2008.06.11 09:13:00 -
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The point of capturing Caldari Prime was to waste resources and display an absolute incompetence in military matters. So far, it is working.
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Vito Parabellum
Fivrelde Corp
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Posted - 2008.06.11 09:18:00 -
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I say we take off, nuke the site from oribt. It's the only way to be sure.
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2008.06.11 09:48:00 -
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It's the introduction piece to capital tractor beams.
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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