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MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2008.06.15 08:47:00 - [1] Edited by: MotherMoon on 15/06/2008 08:49:56 Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Darius JOHNSON Let me fill you in there cream puff... We're a public council. Our official communications are public record. Again... How does that help me politically? You think up your own silly schemes. I could ask you how having the sole channel of private communication we still have, opened to public comment and politicized debate and trolling, might help the process of the CSM function. But then maybe you don't want us to be able to talk without putting on the boxing gloves and adopting the combative stances of the factions we've devolved into? Who knows. Any which way I think its a bad issue and will be voting against. We'll see what happens. sorry jade I support you but what nonsense are you going on about? what does this have to do with powerplay? or votes? yes it might not be a good idea maybe even a bad idea in some people opinions. However it has nothing to do with powertrips. sorry you lose my support on this issue Jade, I don't understand how you can reply to something daris posted with was clear and to the point with flamebait. Stay to the facts don't start trying to make people hate someone or love you. also as for my stance on the subject. Quote: council discussions conducted via email If it's a CSM discussion it should be public, if it's an information chat or e-mail like meeting at 5, sure whatever. but if it's a meeting it should be public, and if not public, it should be public to the CSM memebers at least.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2008.06.16 09:15:00 - [2] Edited by: MotherMoon on 16/06/2008 09:25:36 Originally by: Goumindong Originally by: LaVista Vista Originally by: Goumindong So the public doesn't get to see these agenda items and submission templates? Why? What is wrong with them? The agenda items are here to see right on the forum. As for the submission templates, I see no reason why the public shouldn't see them. So then what is the problem with making the communication public? For the same reason we can't pay the beta that CCP is currently running of ambulation.if it's not done it should not be public. Should book companies let the rough copies of major books be public? you need to be able to tie up a bundle of sticks before you throw them out or someone will take that lose unbundled pile of sticks and take what they what out of context. EDIT:note my point is we should NOT under any circumstances be allowed to beta ambulation even if they have it running right now. It would lead to mass whinage blah and balh not getting in and such. I don't think everythign should be public. Just important thing. also how pointless would it be to read all the e-mails throwing the list back and forth editing it and making sure it's all sound and the link work and such. Why would you want to read that if we get the final document. we voted these guys in if something evil happens I hope that the person I support will tell th community.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2008.06.16 09:22:00 - [3] Quote: 10. Abolish Learning Skills Bane http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=779267 Escalation Denied 2-7 (Bane and Ankhesentapemkah voted yes) damn :/ even though I'm sure the documentation on it was very very weak anyways it's still something I'd like to see changed I should of did more support on the issue since day one. Then again the 1st person that ever brought this up was a dev during the alliance tournament interviews saying he hated learning skills in his game so maybe we won't have to worry about it :P also your not going up to iceland for another 2 months?
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2008.06.16 09:34:00 - [4] Edited by: MotherMoon on 16/06/2008 09:36:23 Originally by: Goumindong Originally by: MotherMoon For the same reason we can't pay the beta that CCP is currently running of ambulation.if it's not done it should not be public. Should book companies let the rough copies of major books be public? you need to be able to tie up a bundle of sticks before you throw them out or someone will take that lose unbundled pile of sticks and take what they what out of context. The CSM is not a company, they have no financial interest in keeping its discussions public as authors and content creators do. They are a public institution accountable to the public. Your analogy is thus false. when your analogy lets you down, find a new analogy! hmmm this time I'll state it using one word. Goumindong this is why they shouldn't be public as it would not be profitable to CCP to let Goumindong happen :) ... You know what never minds lets let "Goumindong" happen I've had a change of <3. 1st step? we implant chips in the CSMs brains to make sure we know there every word! I mean hell if they can't talk over e-mail they will jsut talk over the phone or in person right? right? or maybe... can't help myself... they will use MSN! :P
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2008.06.16 10:13:00 - [5] Originally by: LASER WATCHER Edited by: LASER WATCHER on 16/06/2008 10:02:16 CSM is a council that is supposed to represent us to CCP, I want to know how they are deciding to represent us fully before they go and do it. i am agreeing with goumindong i am agreeing with goumindong oh god to bad I don't trust people that have an agenda (note I'm talking about a LOT of people that want to target jade) to take these e-mails that will nothing to do with CSM and they will use them. I mean hell if I had something against him that's what I do
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2008.06.16 14:42:00 - [6] Originally by: Slanty McGarglefist I assume then that the 30 & 90 day GTC issue will not be raised to CCP at Iceland? I'm surprised it wasn't one of the discussed topics. allready happen
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2008.06.16 14:43:00 - [7] Originally by: LASER WATCHER Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: LASER WATCHER Edited by: LASER WATCHER on 16/06/2008 10:02:16 CSM is a council that is supposed to represent us to CCP, I want to know how they are deciding to represent us fully before they go and do it. i am agreeing with goumindong i am agreeing with goumindong oh god to bad I don't trust people that have an agenda (note I'm talking about a LOT of people that want to target jade) to take these e-mails that will nothing to do with CSM and they will use them. I mean hell if I had something against him that's what I do So, if there is a reason to not trust him, the information should stay private? no it should go to CCP so they can chem him apart. and then be made public as CCP sees fit.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2008.06.16 22:42:00 - [8] Originally by: Goumindong Originally by: Jade Constantine So thats my position on the issue, and I completely oppose the principle that you deal with a "problem class" or "technique" by lowering the barriers to entry for that class or technique. Thats just counter-intuitive and in this specific case transcends game-balance into the realm of seeking partisan advantage for a hypothetical alliance for superior numbers of relatively low-skilled pilots and an aspiration to sit at the big boys capital table without doing the same training their rivals have already done to attain competency and military advantage in this field. I hate to be the one to break this to you, but we're the big boys. Getting cap ship pilots is not a problem for us. oh your SO BIG.

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