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Mr Blue
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2012.03.30 05:04:00 -
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Adunh Slavy wrote:Shalaava wrote: None of this is really meant to rain on the parade of speculators, I'm sure short-term investment opportunities will continue to be plentiful as we await the next expansion. I just wish more of the market discussions here were at least partly based on at least rough quantitative analysis instead of just guesswork and wishful thinking.
We lack a lot of the hard production numbers to get beyond general guesses, much of the quantitative facts thrown around are guesses them selves. Also, it is Eve, so there is always some self serving bias in just about any estimation. if your trying to get speculation/price/hype up you dont come with cautious analyses, you blow the ballons up as big as possible and try hide away all the skeletons. MD isnt a forum about truth(nor is eve in general) its all about convinceing others about things that gains you.
was more a answer pointed towards shalaava than adunh tho.:) |
Raven Ether
Republic University Minmatar Republic
126
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Posted - 2012.04.04 10:11:00 -
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Buy Zydrine and Nocxium before it's too late, and swim in riches. |
Riley Moore
Sentinum Research
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Posted - 2012.04.05 18:51:00 -
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2k per unit tonight! Large volumes of highly researched Ammo, drones, charges and ship bpo's. Biggest BPO store in EVE! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=445524#post445524 |
Tauranon
Weeesearch
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Posted - 2012.04.06 04:57:00 -
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Shalaava wrote: It seems clear to me that, unless you expect CCP to seriously nerf mining (seems implausible) or some comparably unrealistic changes to the game, there is no way mineral prices can realistically keep some of the values suggested in this thread, even from a simplistic miner-centric analysis. Any consideration of reprocessing, etc., would only impose further constraints
So tell me, am I missing something huge? Or is this really just a thread for speculators' daydreaming?
Gun mining is more efficient than mining laser mining. Also players are willing to gunmine that are not willing to exhumer mine, and may not have the appropriate skills or alts to be able to transition to this anyway. Realistically efficiency wise will require there be rorquals and hulk packs dotted all over the drone regions come the bounty change, and many of the residents who currently generate minerals may not want to do that or be able to do that.
Also mining will become a mandatory hard requirement for ships, and because of the basket and access requirements, that equates to an actual person doing a couple of hours of mining for every battlecruiser loss. ie the current highsec daily trade in battlecruisers alone is probably worth 10,000 man hours in mining daily under this new plan. The basket requirements for all of this stuff will drag the lowends along with the highends.
Prices will simply rise until they hurt consumption.
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Raven Ether
Republic University Minmatar Republic
135
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Posted - 2012.04.06 05:29:00 -
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But that is the point here, get people to mine with their exhumers, orcas and rorquals. Substitute the laser and the missile for the tried and true strip miner. That only feels good to me.
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Mookie Quantico
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
17
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Posted - 2012.04.06 08:47:00 -
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I have no doubt prices will continue to rise.
I also have no doubt that once Beta Keys for DUST are handed out, that many pilots will suddenly discover the merits of "dusting off" their all-but-forgotten Hulk alts and return to semi-AFK mining while they shoot people in the face on their favourite battlefields.
Imagine that.
Mook
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Block Ukx
Forge Laboratories
60
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Posted - 2012.04.06 17:51:00 -
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Raven Ether wrote:Buy Zydrine and Nocxium before it's too late, and swim in riches.
Nocxium is a bit high, so I would say trade nocxium.
In the case of zyd, there is still room at the top, so is a good but atm. Once zyd hits 2,500, then just trade zyd.
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Smodab Ongalot
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
99
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Posted - 2012.04.24 13:09:00 -
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So...... Drone poo is gone....
When are we going to get to 3k so we can get rid of these stock piles? |
Nomad I
University of Caille Gallente Federation
61
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Posted - 2012.04.24 13:15:00 -
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Tauranon wrote:[quote=Shalaava]
Also mining will become a mandatory hard requirement for ships, and because of the basket and access requirements, that equates to an actual person doing a couple of hours of mining for every battlecruiser loss. ie the current highsec daily trade in battlecruisers alone is probably worth 10,000 man hours in mining daily under this new plan. The basket requirements for all of this stuff will drag the lowends along with the highends.
Prices will simply rise until they hurt consumption.
Until now, anomalies giving more ISK than mining. When you are a miner in 0.0 you have to provide:
a hauler char/a bonus char a tank char a miner
With 2 pilots in 2 tengus, a skilled pilot makes in anomalies 40million/tick. So the prices for minerals will be rising. |
Debiru
Flashpoint Industries
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Posted - 2012.04.24 16:53:00 -
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Nomad I wrote:Tauranon wrote:[quote=Shalaava]
Also mining will become a mandatory hard requirement for ships, and because of the basket and access requirements, that equates to an actual person doing a couple of hours of mining for every battlecruiser loss. ie the current highsec daily trade in battlecruisers alone is probably worth 10,000 man hours in mining daily under this new plan. The basket requirements for all of this stuff will drag the lowends along with the highends.
Prices will simply rise until they hurt consumption.
Until now, anomalies giving more ISK than mining. When you are a miner in 0.0 you have to provide: a hauler char/a bonus char a tank char a miner With 2 pilots in 2 tengus, a skilled pilot makes in anomalies 40million/tick. So the prices for minerals will be rising. The latter will be reduced, which puts a bit of a cap on the mineral prices from nullsec. Furthermore, not all nullsec miners use hauling chars, or defensive characters. Usually mining corps are embedded within pvp alliances, and there are always ample amounts of pvp'ers online to go after baddies when they show up.
As mineral prices rise, mining players and corporations will start getting some much delayed respect from the pvp'ers who will need to rely on their cheap minerals, since a PLEX won't buy as much as it used to.
Also with the increasing profitability of minerals, you'll see more corps/alliances battling over wormhole space as well, since every WH provides a nigh daily grav site with ABC ore, and often connections to highsec. This makes getting the ore to highsec easy and safer than getting it there from nullsec, and thus makes WHs a much desired asset in the months to come. You'll see a lot of mining in C1s and C2s.
You're going to be seeing a lot more mining corporations in all parts of EVE, and most noticeably in nullsec, doing more than just supplying their own alliance's goods, but also shipping more of it off to highsec. If I were you, I'd be investing in Hulks, Orcas, and Rorquals - Not Zydrine. |
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Javajunky
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.24 17:10:00 -
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Debiru wrote:
Also with the increasing profitability of minerals, you'll see more corps/alliances battling over wormhole space as well, since every WH provides a nigh daily grav site with ABC ore, and often connections to highsec. This makes getting the ore to highsec easy and safer than getting it there from nullsec, and thus makes WHs a much desired asset in the months to come. You'll see a lot of mining in C1s and C2s.
You're going to be seeing a lot more mining corporations in all parts of EVE, and most noticeably in nullsec, doing more than just supplying their own alliance's goods, but also shipping more of it off to highsec. If I were you, I'd be investing in Hulks, Orcas, and Rorquals - Not Zydrine.
If I had a dime for every time someone spit out something totally untrue about mining...
Factually speaking, Wormholes are a source of ABC, however they are not a reliable source. Ask anyone who's living and mining n a WH, it's not all Mai Tai's and Yahtzee, I spent 6 months in a C3 and I went like 10 days without seeing a grav site spawn. You may counter with the fact that WH's have other opening with fresh sites possibly available.
This is true but while it's great for Mag, Ladar and Combat Sites, due to the WH mass limitations and m3 of Ore it's not as easy to mine and haul adjacent WH and risk having your mining resources trapped.
Null Sec High Ends - Low Sec (Take Your Chances) - Empire Low Ends.
Best Regards
Java
Mining because that is what the cool kids do... |
Fish Hunter
Blacksteel Mining and Manufacturing Renaissance Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.24 20:07:00 -
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in null a player with a ship that costs the same as a hulk can make 50 mil isk/hr ratting megacyte is about right. Spodumain is horrible right now and the only big deterent from constantly cycling those gravs sites. Zydrine atm is about right as well Nocxium has to stay above 950 for the intermediate ores to remain worth it, so working well
in highsec just about everyone i know can do lvl 4 missions in some capacity. depending on skills they make 20-40 mil isk/hr doing this. A boosted hulk needs ore in the 180 isk/m3 range to match this. ores are ranging from 105 - 220 ish, seems fine.
in summary I think all mineral prices are about right where they should be for the long term |
Smodab Ongalot
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
99
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Posted - 2012.04.30 12:59:00 -
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GET OUT WHILE YOU CAN!!
Buy orders down to 1300 in JIta. Is that the sound of a bubble bursting? |
Veragostin
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.04.30 13:20:00 -
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Smodab Ongalot wrote:GET OUT WHILE YOU CAN!!
Buy orders down to 1300 in JIta. Is that the sound of a bubble bursting?
And yet the sell price is higher than it was last night when I went to bed. Just means somebody cashed out. It will keep going up. |
Riley Moore
Sentinum Research
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Posted - 2012.04.30 14:19:00 -
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Yes please, everyone dump!! It's crashing! Large volumes of highly researched Ammo, drones, charges and ship bpo's. Biggest BPO store in EVE! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=445524#post445524 |
Ank Parkor
WildSpace Otters
49
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Posted - 2012.04.30 20:53:00 -
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Bubble is about to crush like predicted. Then the prices will increase again to real values. The difficulty is to guess the lower value before the increase Short time trader, short term missionner, long term ambitions.
Bring justice to EVE:-áhttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1171333 |
Cedo Nulli
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
138
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Posted - 2012.04.30 22:48:00 -
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Tasko Pal wrote: At three hulks mining crokite in deep blue with 1800 m3/min apiece, that becomes 55 mil/hr per alt and 165 mil/hour in total.
Cool .. thats now about the same income as VG incursions in a non-fail fleet. Not counting the waiting etc.
Where my hulk at ?
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Smarcus Smokus
Donkey Punch Pioneers Sticky Green Acres
4
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Posted - 2012.06.19 23:02:00 -
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Funny how this thread subject still works with current zydrine prices!
We are just a **** hair away from being right back were we started pre-drone nerf announcement. Now that it's all over, how'd everyone do?
I made several bil myself and still have zydrine left for the rebound! |
Kara Books
Deal with IT.
174
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Posted - 2012.06.19 23:48:00 -
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Smodab Ongalot wrote:GET OUT WHILE YOU CAN!!
Buy orders down to 1300 in JIta. Is that the sound of a bubble bursting?
1/10 not even original
the smelly bubble in your pants burst. |
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