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Saietor Blackgreen The First Foundation	Posted - 2008.06.14 18:34:00 - [31] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Uhm how do you fit a 100km operational ranged sniper. Id like to see your hurricane and muninn fits for this. In this, Munin will be ahead, for Hurricane cant reach these optimals. But Eagle or even Ferox will most likely be EVEN better. So poor Munin is left in nowhere between drone/missile range, where Hurricane (and ANY other BC tbh) is better, and long-range "shoot ant GTFO falcon style" operation, where rail-based snipers kick his ass. I still like it though. Inties ** bricks when they see one for some reason :) And, my 2 cents - after faction ammo and scripts introduction Tremor is vurtually useless on Munin. It is too hard to get lockrange to those 100 km. Tracking penalty is so high that effective DPS of Tremor is higher than that of DomiCL only at 90-100 km small interval. And everywhere else it just doesnt hit. --- Redesign local/scanner feature - make the place huge, dark and scary again!**
Liang Nuren Perkone	Posted - 2008.06.14 18:56:00 - [32] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Uhm how do you fit a 100km operational ranged sniper. Id like to see your hurricane and muninn fits for this. Since you so kindly asked: Hurricane 6x 720mm Arty II, 2x Std Launcher II (Precision lights) 10mn MWD I, TC II (Optimal), 2x SB II (Unscripted) 3x Gyro II, 2x TE II, DC II Optimal: 76+22 / 0.00815 Tracking Muninn 5x 720mm Arty II, 2x Std Launcher II (Precision lights) 10mn MWD I, 2x SB II (Unscripted) 3x Gyro II, TE II, DC II Optimal 93+22 / 0.01035 Tracking Now you're going to go off on the importance of range for the Muninn - and I'm going to respectfully disagree. You're a fool if you think the Muninn's optimal engagement range is 100km. The Hurricane does absolutely everything save 100km sniping better than the Muninn at a fraction of the cost - and the Muninn itself sucks at 100km sniping. -Liang -- It was an honor to participate in the Insurgency campaign in Branch. o7 to all involved.
Saietor Blackgreen The First Foundation	Posted - 2008.06.14 18:58:00 - [33] Originally by: Liang Nuren The Hurricane does absolutely everything save 100km sniping better than the Muninn at a fraction of the cost - and the Muninn itself sucks at 100km sniping. And that, is all there is about Muninn. Save somewhat better mobility for roaming gangs. --- Redesign local/scanner feature - make the place huge, dark and scary again!
Goumindong Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.14 19:17:00 - [34] Edited by: Goumindong on 14/06/2008 19:23:40 Edited by: Goumindong on 14/06/2008 19:22:57 Originally by: Liang Nuren What does the Muninn have? Optimal. What's the best use of a Muninn? Popping frigs/inties at a gatecamp. Does this require an optimal bonus or launcher slots or a drone bay? No. Change ammo and get farther away. The muninn is better at it. Fit another tracking enhancer, load RF carb lead and get way out there. Kill their tacklers then move to their anti-support If you're using the muninn do pop inties at a gate camp you're doing it wrong. Just get a stiletto, put two webs on it, get some remote sensor boosters on it and assign drones. That is how you kill inties in a gate camp. Hell, you've got a good shot at getting cov-ops before they cloak.
Lyria Skydancer Eve Defence Force	Posted - 2008.06.14 19:18:00 - [35] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Uhm how do you fit a 100km operational ranged sniper. Id like to see your hurricane and muninn fits for this. Since you so kindly asked: Hurricane 6x 720mm Arty II, 2x Std Launcher II (Precision lights) 10mn MWD I, TC II (Optimal), 2x SB II (Unscripted) 3x Gyro II, 2x TE II, DC II Optimal: 76+22 / 0.00815 Tracking Muninn 5x 720mm Arty II, 2x Std Launcher II (Precision lights) 10mn MWD I, 2x SB II (Unscripted) 3x Gyro II, TE II, DC II Optimal 93+22 / 0.01035 Tracking Now you're going to go off on the importance of range for the Muninn - and I'm going to respectfully disagree. You're a fool if you think the Muninn's optimal engagement range is 100km. The Hurricane does absolutely everything save 100km sniping better than the Muninn at a fraction of the cost - and the Muninn itself sucks at 100km sniping. -Liang Well that might be more of an issue of tier 2 BCs being pretty darn good. Sure muninn might get a slight shaft because it is minmatar ¦but these variaties occur in other ship classes for other ships. I might add in alot worse manner also. The muninn is really not far behind the other sniper hacs.
Liang Nuren Perkone	Posted - 2008.06.14 19:27:00 - [36] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Well that might be more of an issue of tier 2 BCs being pretty darn good. Sure muninn might get a slight shaft because it is minmatar ¦but these variaties occur in other ship classes for other ships. I might add in alot worse manner also. The muninn is really not far behind the other sniper hacs. Nice to see you reverse your position, and also admit that the Muninn is indeed behind all of the other sniper HACs. -Liang -- It was an honor to participate in the Insurgency campaign in Branch. o7 to all involved.
Liang Nuren Perkone	Posted - 2008.06.14 19:29:00 - [37] Originally by: Goumindong Change ammo and get farther away. The muninn is better at it. Fit another tracking enhancer, load RF carb lead and get way out there. Kill their tacklers then move to their anti-support If you're using the muninn do pop inties at a gate camp you're doing it wrong. Just get a stiletto, put two webs on it, get some remote sensor boosters on it and assign drones. That is how you kill inties in a gate camp. Hell, you've got a good shot at getting cov-ops before they cloak. ... -Liang -- It was an honor to participate in the Insurgency campaign in Branch. o7 to all involved.
Roland 99 Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.14 19:34:00 - [38] Edited by: Roland 99 on 14/06/2008 19:35:12 Wrong. It's not even close. Half the range of an eagle. Much lower DPS and range than zealot. It's easily the worst hac overall, and the worst sniper to boot. It has a **ty base lockrange for a sniper so you can't shoehorn in more tracking mods because you have to fit 2 SB's to lock at max hit range. Medium Tremor ammo is worthless because it doesn't grant enough range to overcome the 75% tracking penalty, and 100K is a stretch with faction carb lead, which leads you into having a VERY short engagement window and a locktime ( again scripts ** you ccp ) It would be so good at it's job with a few tweaks, but as it stands, it's a lower Alpha hurricane that costs 3 times as much.

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