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c0rny
Jumping Jacks
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Posted - 2008.06.13 20:08:00 -
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[b][b]I am aware that the subject of harrassment by player pirates is a mine field for you - but i would like to raise this complaint with you to see whether you can do anything about this problem.
When a player undertakes a mission of L4 or L5 difficulty and is sent into a low-sec 0.4 thru 0.1 environment, player pirates are searching out the complexes and engaging in pvp. infact - they have even gone one step further since the introduction of the Militia programme, by camping the gates to low-sec and blowing you up before you get anywhere near your destination.
As far as I am concerned - this is harrassment. This means that you - CCP - are forcing players into engaging into PVP when they clearly do not want to - nor are set up to do so. Not only is this grossly unfair - it is a clear violation of our rights as players to play the game peacefully should we wish to do so.
It would be far more sensible to make a player - who has undertaken a mission at any level - 'invulnerable' to player pirates - with the mission complexes being impossible to find by the current probing means. To avoid any exploit, the player would then have to finish the mission. He would not be allowed to travel anywhere other than the mission destination and would not be able to access any other area of eve û other than his mission.
In fairness to player pirates, if a player then chooses to travel through low sec space û outside of a mission, then he/she must expect to deal with the dangers of low sec and its bounty strapped, red flashing inhabitants.
Please can i know your suggestions. I see that in most 'chat' channels - this is becoming an increasing topic of conversation with a very angry undertone.
There are a portion of members in the Eve community - who play a peaceful game.
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Ki Tarra
Ki Tech Industries
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Posted - 2008.06.13 20:46:00 -
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Edited by: Ki Tarra on 13/06/2008 20:47:01
Originally by: c0rny There are a portion of members in the Eve community - who play a peaceful game.
Those players are advised to stay away from less peaceful areas of the game.
It is not hard to lead a completely peaceful existance in this game.
It is up to you to choose how you will play, but the rules are not likely to be readjusted to specificly accomiate your style of game play.
BTW - I am one of those "who play a peaceful game" so I know that it is both possible and easy to do. |
Hannobaal
Shadow Forces Inc.
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Posted - 2008.06.13 20:58:00 -
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It is no more harrasment than someone beating you in any game is harassment. Eve wasn't a single player game last I checked. If you can't handle low-sec, stay out of low-sec.
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Tressin Khiyne
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2008.06.13 21:07:00 -
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It's about to get very hot in here...
I believe the answer to your well-written post will be a resounding "NO" |
Jim Pooley
Circus Fantastique
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Posted - 2008.06.13 21:09:00 -
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Eve is the only game I know of where non consensual PvP is actively ENCOURAGED. In 2 attempts to do a low sec mission, both times I got probed out and ganked.
Am I mad? No, this is Eve. It is a mean, nasty, horrible place where death lurks everywhere, and I LOVE it. I learned a lot from my "ganked" experiences, and more importantly, how to minimise it happening again. If the OP doesn't like the danger of low sec, he should not go there, and play Hello Kitty online.
Oh, and here is a flame resisting suit, you are going to need it! |
Mankirks Wife
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Posted - 2008.06.13 21:12:00 -
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Edited by: Mankirks Wife on 13/06/2008 21:15:08 It's called low-sec for a reason.
This is Eve, you're free to do whatever the hell you want even if it's not a good idea. If you can't handle the dangers of lowsec, don't go there. It really is that simple. CCP is not forcing you to do anything - you can turn down a mission once every few hours without a standings loss, you can find agents deeper in highsec, you can use your starmap to avoid most gate camps, you can grab some friends and blob the pirates to oblivion (they hate that - it's awesome ). You can also blindly disregard the low-sec warning in the mission description and jump through the first gate into lowsec you come to without checking any of the resources available to you to see if there might be a camp on the other side, and cry on the forums when you get blown up. It's all up to you.
Once you learn to handle the dangers of lowsec you'll find they're very overrated by most Empire-huggers. |
Tressin Khiyne
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2008.06.13 21:17:00 -
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Originally by: c0rny
It would be far more sensible to make a player - who has undertaken a mission at any level - 'invulnerable' to player pirates - with the mission complexes being impossible to find by the current probing means. To avoid any exploit, the player would then have to finish the mission. He would not be allowed to travel anywhere other than the mission destination and would not be able to access any other area of eve û other than his mission.
By the way, your "solution" would ruin missions. |
Nicho Void
Hyper-Nova Tenth Legion
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Posted - 2008.06.13 21:22:00 -
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Obvious troll is obvious....right? |
Lady Katrana
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Posted - 2008.06.13 21:27:00 -
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Originally by: c0rny ...it is a clear violation of our rights as players...
lol
Thanks for the good joke post, I needed that. |
Ayane Shardmoor
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2008.06.13 21:52:00 -
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Dude... the whole point of this game is that other people get the chance to ruin your day. And you get the chance to ruin theirs.
If that doesn't sound like fun to you, then I think you're playing the wrong game. Why not find another game that fits your play style, rather than try to change this one? |
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Yarr2K
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.06.13 21:58:00 -
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And yet another thread where the OP's name and corp says it all.
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SirMoric
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.06.13 22:37:00 -
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Stay in high-sec.
rgds
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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.06.13 22:49:00 -
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Originally by: c0rny This means that you - CCP - are forcing players into engaging into PVP when they clearly do not want to - nor are set up to do so. Not only is this grossly unfair - it is a clear violation of our rights as players to play the game peacefully should we wish to do so.
Welcome to EVE. --
http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html |
Atlas Elestra
Titan Mining LLC
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Posted - 2008.06.13 23:12:00 -
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Do you people actually read the whole post before responding to it?
I can understand the OPs frustration. He'd like to do Level 4 and 5 missions and not engage in PvP. He doesn't want to fly into Low sec, but the more lucrative missions are forcing him to do so....
My only suggestion is try to find Higher Tier Agents far from low sec in order to avoid missions that stray into Low sec. I find this: http://www.eve-agents.com/ really helps me find what type of agent I'm looking for. Combine that with a good or decent map and with any luck you can find some High Level Missions that don't go into low sec or at least go there less often.
other wise see if you can do things like equipping a cloak while flying to location, and bring your other fittings. Land Close and switch. If the area has hostiles set up a station escape path first. (go about 200km out in the direction that you are when you undock, then you can initiate warp with your battle fittings in, as quick as possible with no slowing for alignment or top speed)
hope that can help in the mean time, but I don't see such a radical change being added to the game. Good Luck.
ôSalvage is as much an art as building the ship itself. We take rubble and make rigs, now that takes Talent.ö |
Gridwalker
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Posted - 2008.06.13 23:18:00 -
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I give this troll a 5/10.
If it ISN'T a troll, then the OP really needs to find a new game... ;-)
-Grid
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Metafarmers
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Posted - 2008.06.13 23:22:00 -
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Oh noes.... teh pirates ganked me!!!
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JamnOne
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Posted - 2008.06.13 23:23:00 -
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Edited by: JamnOne on 13/06/2008 23:23:56
Originally by: c0rny it is a clear violation of our rights as players to play the game peacefully should we wish to do so.
Where is it stated that we have the right to play an MMORPG peacefully or the way we see fit?
I didn't see it in the EULA, U.N. stuff, or the U.S. Constitution. Since I haven't learned about other Country's Constitution, yet, or the E.U. guidelines I can't comment on those.
On a side note - if you don't want a mission that goes into low sec find an agent that is 5 jumps away minimum from low sec.
Have a Nice Day! ________________________
Originally by: CCP Wrangler So, it's all my fault.
Originally by: CCP Prism X Hah! Vengeance is sweet!
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Metafarmers
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Posted - 2008.06.13 23:27:00 -
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Eve operates on Burmese law... he who has the guns wipes out he who doesn't
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c0rny
Jumping Jacks
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Posted - 2008.06.15 11:00:00 -
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It really was just a matter of preference guys. I am a mission fanatic - and unfortunately in most areas of eve - you do not get the choice of doing ALL your missions in high sec.
For the rest of you - well - i can handle pvp - when it simply is PVP and not Gang - V - P. Player-versus-player is in the singular - pirates ALWAYS come in groups to ruin the day of ONE person. So How fair is that?
I thank Atlas Elestra for her understanding - as to the rest of you - well you must all be pirates then - lol
As for playin the right game!! - I was playing EVE before most of you that replied to this post. -----------------------------------------------
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Zaqar
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.06.15 11:05:00 -
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You know you don't have to go into low-sec if you don't want to, therefore this can only be trolling. Please stop.
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cal nereus
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.06.15 11:06:00 -
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In this game, we are encouraged to bring PvP to people who, at the time, may or may not be interested in engaging PvP. Arguments of ethics and the definition of harassment aside, I do have a recommendation that I hope may help you avoid PvP while running missions.
I think the main reason you're being sent into low-sec for missions is because you've chosen an agent too close to low-sec systems. To be safe, locate an agent that mostly gives kill/combat missions and is not within 3 or less jumps of a low-sec system. Those agents are 100% safe to run missions for. Courier agents tend to send you farther and are therefore less safe to use.
If you absolutely must travel through low-sec, you should do so in a covert ops ship, or failing that, a small frigate that aligns to warp quickly. The smaller and quicker you are, the better. --- Earning Isk Basic Skills
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Zaqar
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.06.15 11:06:00 -
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Originally by: Atlas Elestra the more lucrative missions are forcing him to do so...
Sure
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bnogo
Interstellar Armaments Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2008.06.15 11:13:00 -
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if you have played this game for so long, you would know how to avoid lowsec. if you want to do lowsec missions for higher payout....
MMO = make friends. with them, pirates can't affect you as much anyways. that's probably the best advice for lowsec, short of stay away from it if you do not want to die.
also, you said you are forced there due to it being more lucrative.... why not go to 0.0 then? even better profits? because you are never forced into anything.
have a good day. B
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Celeste Coeval
The Gosimer and Scarab
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Posted - 2008.06.15 11:14:00 -
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nerf stuff, that'll fix it...sure...
Originally by: Lance Fighter This is either a troll or a noob... Ill take the noob route. |
Cailais
VITOC
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Posted - 2008.06.15 11:22:00 -
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The introduction of FW in low sec actually makes the process of Low Sec Mission running safer - not more dangerous.
The FW Militias are a severe deterent to all but the most determined pirate groups. And, by and large, these Militias aren't going to waste their time spending hours trying to probe out a mission site. - Heck most wont even give a passing glance at the belts!
Travel is potentially dangerous if the FW militia's decide to engage neutrals: but the majority probably wont, as they need sec to return to their Empire High Sec areas to re arm and resupply.
Finally if you want a peaceful existence: dont fly into a war zone.
C.
VITOC - Amarr Corp for Faction Warfare! |
GI0VANNI
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Posted - 2008.06.15 11:24:00 -
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Go high sec. if you don't want to risk PVP. CCP do not force people to fight, join an NPC corp so no one can war dec you and find a nice 1.0 agent...
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RuleoftheBone
Ataraxia.
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Posted - 2008.06.15 12:49:00 -
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Edited by: RuleoftheBone on 15/06/2008 12:49:54
Originally by: Cailais The introduction of FW in low sec actually makes the process of Low Sec Mission running safer - not more dangerous.
The FW Militias are a severe deterent to all but the most determined pirate groups. And, by and large, these Militias aren't going to waste their time spending hours trying to probe out a mission site. - Heck most wont even give a passing glance at the belts!
Travel is potentially dangerous if the FW militia's decide to engage neutrals: but the majority probably wont, as they need sec to return to their Empire High Sec areas to re arm and resupply.....and run missions in safer space
Finally if you want a peaceful existence: dont fly into a war zone.
C.
1-Oh really?
2-Fixed in a helpful way
**EDIT**
OP=ROFL and NO
"Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way" General George Patton USA
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Ringo Jeicha
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.06.15 12:52:00 -
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If you want consensual pvp, go (back?) to wow.
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Maulith
Vicious Little Killers
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Posted - 2008.06.15 12:56:00 -
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Those nasty piwates spoiling your game? They should know better! I know of a nice little low sec system for running missions...contact me in game
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Jimar Perrin
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Posted - 2008.07.25 12:06:00 -
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I have had to do slightly lower quality missions due to the security of systems nearby the best agents. I have also had to pay pirates to allow me to finish important missions. Missions in Hi-sec pay less, and in EVE you can always make enough friends to make sure the pirates that come leave in a pod (ambushing pirates you know are coming is easy). It's a social game, and a thinking game. Weigh the risks and find a way. That's what's great about the game.. Seriously, though, make friends - piracy is fun, but mission runners have the isk to secure systems if they have the numbers, and piracy doesn't pay well enough to lose many ships(usually). |
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