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Darius III
Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
1009
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Posted - 2012.03.12 16:22:00 -
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CCP has finally crossed the line with me and many other players. They have nerfed security status repair which was tedious in the extreme before, but now the situation is untenable.
When you kill a ship in low or highsec you take a security status penalty, if you merely shot it-you still take the FULL PENALTY if it dies without session change. Which is working as intended. But it used to be that when you killed rats,every player that damaged the rat would get the full security status bonus. Now CCP has made it so that only the player landing the final blow gets the sec bonus.
They did it by stealth, without an announcement in the dead of night like cowards.
This is the single biggest nerf to lowsec and piracy in general ever in Eve's history.
I am unsubbing my alts, not in protest, but because they are now useless.
What I am urging the C+P community to do is to band together with our -10 alts and begin campaign in Jita podding everyone and every ship we can kill. Since they have made repairing security status not worth the pain any more, I will be using my remaining time on my accounts other than main, and free accounts to kill every innocent player I can.
If you would like to participate but dont want to go to -10 or dont have a -10 alt-creating a viable suicide pilot only takes three days of training. Get Minmatar pilot, train for thrasher and T1 damage mod. I will be spending the remainder of my ingame wealth buying thrashers and fittings for all pilots wishing to participate. This is absolutely not a troll.
CCP has shown that either they are to stupid to realize the impact of these changes, likely or that they finally are turning the game into carebear heaven which is just as likely. One thing is certain-this is the biggest nerf to lowsec in the history of the game.
Please read Jester's Trek blog or visit Evenews24 at the direct link:
http://www.evenews24.com/2012/03/12/jesters-trek-purgatory/
The very fact that they did this without disclosing it to the players PROVES THAT THEY DO NOT CARE ABOUT YOU AS A SUBSCRIBER NOR ABOUT THE INCOME THEY GET FROM PIRATES. Had they been up front with it, or bothered to tell the CSM "Hey we nerfing piracy, what do you guys think" shows that they pulled a coup. What was once an open sandbox will soon become like every other MMO, with PvP zones and PvP zones. Yes you will still be able to shoot people in hi and lowsec, but the frequency will decline greatly.
This is not an election ploy, this is not my tear filled post, this is the most serious threat to our way of life ever. ripar Teg the guy who writes Jester's Trek blog, a very intelligent guy who I have complemented many times sees just how bad the situation is. If CCP wants us not to be able to repair Sec status, lets show them what a double handful of minus 10 guys can do. Almost no one died during Monoclagate, how many can we kill during securitygate?
I AM urging people to do whatever they can do to CCP to ruin the game for others, within constraints of the EULA of course and to undertake all legal measures afforded WITHIN THE RULES to make their displeasure known. I now many of you dont like me, and I like that, but Jester is very angry and everyone knows he is a sensible guy.
I will be doing everything I can as a player, as CSM and as a man to get a solution. This will involve a public apology to Mittani, which is the second worst thing I can imagine, next to having piracy removed from Eve, which is what we have effectively now. Please join the C+P channel in game to discuss this issue and/or get ready to do some podding. CCP and even the CSM have a lot of hardworking men and women who are very intelligent, working on making New Eden a better place-it is CCP management that I fear the most. D3 for CSM7 Direct link-á http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=480 |
KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
432
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Posted - 2012.03.12 16:28:00 -
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Can I have your stuff? http://blog.beyondreality.se/Incursion-hose Remove all incursions from hisec |
Reppyk
The Black Shell
62
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Posted - 2012.03.12 16:47:00 -
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Time to buy a thrasher BPO. |
Lady Spank
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
1809
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Posted - 2012.03.12 17:00:00 -
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It's mainly a stupid change since it removes teamwork from the equation, not because it makes it harder to box your alts and up their sec together.
CCP encourage teamwork in every other element of the game and yet when it comes to group ratting, they happily screw everyone over and force them to play solo. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (a¦á_a¦â) |
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
629
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Posted - 2012.03.12 17:24:00 -
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Darius III is also giving out a free plex to everyone who joins this crusade.
It's true, I just got mine in Jita!
Honest! If you're reading my sig you cannot claim ignorance, only stupidity or apathy, if you don't go VOTE now for CSM7. |
Red Els
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.03.12 17:31:00 -
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Kind of funny that you cry about the sec gain nerf
* Let me say this about security status repair A pirat dont geave any **** about the sec status and b the one who does care shoud not call him/herself a pirate just a wanabe. (true pirate is being proud of -10 and dont have the time to wast on reping sec status since he is to bizzy killing stuff
* They did it by stealth, without an announcement in the dead of night like cowards. K i understand that can make people unhappy but then what its about is not that big of deel
*This is the single biggest nerf to lowsec and piracy in general ever in Eve's history Dont see the nerft since you kill people who are traveling from a to b, doing some pve in lowsec, or go for small rooming what wont change. and even if it does maybe you shoud go and kill stuff in 00 space if you care to much about it
*together with our -10 alts and begin campaign in Jita podding everyone and every ship we can kill Do it for fun and tears otherwise its a wast of time and props from ccp for maiking you rage ones more ^^ I woud say if you have trouble in low sec pirating go to 00 more fun ^^ loads of places to find good prey and the 0.0 is poor garded so you shoud not have that big of problem xD might aswel help hurting the bot users in that way.
i dont see how is affects at all the low sec piracy since if you are a pirate you are -10 and you shoud be the same oh yeah and about that oh so big nerf of sec gain common get off your lazzy behind and go rat some more since it takes 1 week of ratting in 00 to get from -10 to +1 i duno if you really are trying to pull attension on your self by maiking something so small to look much bigger then it is or you just trying to troll people eather way its all just an openion of mine. Take it easy and dont rage that much
Yeah yeah i know i shoud post it whit my pirat alt instead but that again it way to boring to log in to post whit it Yes my spelling is not that great deal whit it You mad bro? Hope i dint dubble post it and feel free to flame away Greets from nitrya |
Angry Onions
League of Angered Gentlemen
198
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Posted - 2012.03.12 17:45:00 -
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Red, learn English before posting. Thanks, bye. E .-+ ` ' / -+. F Your Carebear tears fuel us
Heil Hizzle Mein Nizzles. |
Red Els
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.03.12 18:05:00 -
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thanks for advice will you teach me?
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yopparai
ASTARTES CORP
16
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Posted - 2012.03.12 18:11:00 -
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Roll back the change, this is bullsh*t!!!!
Yopp |
Princess Nexxala
The Rock Hard Roosters Villore Accords
27
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Posted - 2012.03.12 18:12:00 -
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Hmm, while its a shame they did a ninja edit on this I don't really see it as a problem. Most people just stay -10 anyways. Is sexy time? |
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Kaeda Maxwell
Black Rebel Rifter Club
68
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Posted - 2012.03.12 18:22:00 -
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I presume you're trolling, nothing new there at least. But I'll bother to reply anyway.
A. Pirates don't care about their sec status if we did we'd not be pirates we'd be be antipies or in null. B. It doesn't matter for gankers either you can gank in hisec at -10.0 just fine.
The only people affected by this are people that take accidental security hits (like via space healering) or a weekend pvp'ers (just be an antipie then and the sec issue is fixed it's not like there aren't plenty of us flashies to shoot). Also tanks to the lovely people at Black Frog us flashies don't even really need an alt for logistics any more either. |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
72
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Posted - 2012.03.12 18:38:00 -
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HTFU like you tell everyone else perhaps? |
BuzzyBeagle
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
102
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Posted - 2012.03.12 18:40:00 -
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D3 = The True King of Space [tm] |
Dr Hazman
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2012.03.12 18:56:00 -
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What most flamers seem to miss here is that Darius isn't complaining about how this will affect pirates who have a -10 status, but it will affect low sec dynamics in the sense that less and less people are going to want to get involved in low sec PvP or piracy because the effort you have to put into getting back to an acceptable security status isn't worth it.
Not everyone can benefit from the backbone of a well organised corp with alts that can supply low sec population with their ships and gear. Not everyone can afford Black Frogs. A lot of small skill players want to try out pvp by going into low sec, but most of them won't be able to do this is 2-3 people gangs if after killing one person or two they have to go farm rats on their own for a couple hours.
You guys should learn to read the point of an argument before pissing all over the OP.
I usually don't agree with what I read from Darius, and he might be despicable to a lot because of his actions regarding certain aspects of the game, but the fact is that he is right on, and so is the author of that blog.
This is a massive game changer for low sec on a medium to long term.
Low sec has little to no dynamics appealing to new players, it's more empty than most null sec on an average day. And this will not help at all.
Little edit :
The fact of the matter is that CCP has been more and more changing the game towards helping high sec residents and protcting their PVE players. There is absolutely no denying this, anyone saying the contrary has their head in the sand and just ignored what is in front of them. That CCP is doing this is a good or a bad thing is another matter.
But one thing is certain is that there is a significant community of players in EVE who actually choose the pirates way of life. There is a significant player base in EVE who has been advocating for years and years and years for a revamp of low sec to bring life back to it and give more content to low sec dwellers. And this has not happened. CCP has not moved towards that, there have been no efforts to promote this part of the game and CCP has expanded quite a few ressources into every other aspect of the game but this one.
And this change to sec status gain from ratting is another sign that CCP is turning EVE into a protected environment for PVE players. |
Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
836
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Posted - 2012.03.12 19:08:00 -
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Its true that if CCP are actually interested in luring people into the deadzone that is losec, they need to make it appealing to go there.
Casual PVP roaming is possibly one of the biggest / most accesible reasons to go there if it isnt your permanent home.
CCP are kinda shooting themselves in the foot with this change.
There should be a system in place where bounties and standing increases from NPC kills are shared equally between all in fleet.
They say there's no I in team, but there is now when theres a 1M isk bounty rat sitting in a belt and you need the sec status.
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Skywalker
MAFIA Pirate Coalition
15
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Posted - 2012.03.12 19:46:00 -
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Doubt any non "weekend warrior pirate" will care about this change. Now you will easier know who is commited to outlaw life and who is not. |
Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
175
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Posted - 2012.03.12 19:55:00 -
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Patches to protect carebears:
Vs Suicide Ganker -Concord response time halved, and SS penalties triple -Insurance removed exclusively for gankers, while left in place for self-destruction. [:roll: -stealth buff to post GCC - Concord response time (in response to Smodab Ongelot's techniques) -sec status ratting nerf (for non-outlaw gankers
Vs Ninja Looter -Noctis - by making salvage so easy - market became flooded and worthless + ship tailored to be worthless for ninjas -LVL 4 loot nerf - MR income pushed exclusively into bounties, stealing loot becomes far less relevant -Orca Nerf #1 and #2 - very specifically tailored to insure Orcas are 'only intended for miners' - CCP direct quote -Scan strength nerf -sec status ratting nerf (for ninjas who target paint NPCs to farm sec status -'persistant wreck' nerf, previously used to bait thieves
Vs High sec Merc -POS breakdown/setup time reduced to mere seconds -'Dec Shield' Rule reversal makes wardecs a waste of ISK and highsec POS invulnerable
Vs Incursion Ganker -Incursion RR mechanics modification #1 and #2 - patched with blinding speed, despite massive Incursion runner income
Vs Infiltration Ganker -Infiltrators can now be kicked from corp while in space - even in mid gank, causing an Concord kill without a warning pop-up.
And thats just what I can remember offhand. While its gratifying to get so much attention from CCP....
How about: Common sense BUFFs for ganking.
Carebear Hauler Orca nerf : Corporate Hangars become scannable and drop loot.
Income for Pod-killers: Ganker takes a HUGE security penalty - so the ganker deserves some chance of a 'reward'. Make implants drop at a 50% rate, and make pods scannable with existing scanner mods. Need a new ISK sink? Nerf Incursion income.
Remove Multiple GCC Warnings: Highsec Gankers are slowed down having to reply to repeated GCC pop-up warnings when trying to kill multiple target, and seconds count. If you ARE GCC, you shouldn't have to keep 'confirming' if you want a GCC. FIX IT. If outlaw is ALREADY GCC'd - no more 'mandatory pop ups' to screw up my attacks.
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Pinky Feldman
Gank Bangers Moar Tears
29
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Posted - 2012.03.12 20:02:00 -
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Seems to me that a lot of people are letting their personal disdain for Darius III to cloud their reading ability.
To all the pirates claiming this doesn't affect you because it only affects "casual" pirates, you're wrong. It does affect you, because all those casual lowseccers are engaging in other activities instead of lowsec roaming. Weren't you guys the ones that were complaining a few years ago that there are not enough targets in lowsec and CCP needed to give people more incentive to travel in lowsec?
To everyone else, regardless of whether or not this change effects you, you should be outraged at stealth nerf changes that don't make patchnotes. In fact, you should be outraged any time this happens even if it helps your gameplay style because it makes documenting game mechanics in an already complex game that much more complicated and hard to figure out.
There's absolutely no reason for any game mechanic change that CCP makes to NOT make it into patchnotes. |
Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
110
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Posted - 2012.03.12 20:25:00 -
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You guys are acting like CCP did this intentionally, rather than the more likely scenario they broke it and didn't realize how or why its broken.
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entroncas
Catalina Operations and Logistics Division Supernova Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.03.12 20:26:00 -
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Can i have your stuff darius? |
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fgft Athonille
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
17
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Posted - 2012.03.12 20:39:00 -
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any1 who cries about game changes is a pathetic spineless carebear and should get the hell out
adapt or die mofos. if you dare let a tear form in your eye you have failed entirely as pirate. take your pirate cards out of your belongings and go find your nearest carebear to have a good cry about things |
Laura Marhsal
Pure Steel Inc. The Dominium
15
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Posted - 2012.03.12 20:58:00 -
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lol rage much |
Vladimir Norkoff
Income Redistribution Service
1
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Posted - 2012.03.12 21:11:00 -
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It's your own fault you have bad sec status. You should only be fighting in other players in BattleGrounds anyway... Wait wut game am I playing again?
Seriously though, I can kinda see both sides of the argument. On one side, sharing the sec status makes it too easy for groups of pirates to fix their sec status by shooting one rat in each system. On the other side it makes it ridiculously tedious to fix for something that is pretty much a core concept of the game - shooting other players. (And I know just how tedious it is. I went from -10 to 0 by myself... doing low sec missions. So you can imagine how f-ing long that took.) |
Im Super Gay
Hedion University Amarr Empire
21
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Posted - 2012.03.12 22:32:00 -
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fgft Athonille wrote:any1 who cries about game changes is a pathetic spineless carebear and should get the hell out
adapt or die mofos. if you dare let a tear form in your eye you have failed entirely as pirate. take your pirate cards out of your belongings and go find your nearest carebear to have a good cry about things
"Herp derp adapt or die cuz it makes me sound badass when I say that. You should just take it up the ass over and over again like me without complaining, because someone might be annoyed by you speaking out." |
fgft Athonille
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
17
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Posted - 2012.03.12 22:55:00 -
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Im Super Gay wrote:fgft Athonille wrote:any1 who cries about game changes is a pathetic spineless carebear and should get the hell out
adapt or die mofos. if you dare let a tear form in your eye you have failed entirely as pirate. take your pirate cards out of your belongings and go find your nearest carebear to have a good cry about things "Herp derp adapt or die cuz it makes me sound badass when I say that. You should just take it up the ass over and over again like me without complaining, because someone might be annoyed by you speaking out."
this is such a minor change that has little impact on anything pirate related so i dont understand why all the tears.
if a carebear cries as much as you guys have they would be openly mocked. if a goon scam vicitim cries they are openly mocked. if somebody loses plex in kestrel and cries they are opnely mocked
considering this is a pointless thread attempting to rally idiots to vote d3, i think openning up and crying everywhere accomplishes nothing. a true pirate and griefer doesnt use carebear whine tactics, they play the game to extract tears |
Lady Spink
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
10
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Posted - 2012.03.12 23:16:00 -
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D3 I just gave you 10 votes, now send me that plex!!
Anyways, i support your actions! |
Erwin Castle Jakuard
Helpful Helpers Helping
16
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Posted - 2012.03.12 23:38:00 -
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You can buy me thrashers or supply isk for my hatred towards pods, you cover jita, ill cover amarr
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Erwin+Castle+Jakuard |
Kessiaan
Greater Order Of Destruction Happy Endings
95
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Posted - 2012.03.12 23:49:00 -
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All you need is an alt with an Orca. Good sec. status is entirely optional.
Grinding up from -10 gets old really quick... My killboard - http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Kessiaan |
Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
168
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Posted - 2012.03.12 23:52:00 -
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One more reason to ignore low-sec entirely, except as a way to get to 0.0. *shrug* It was already broken, which is why I don't do anything but pass through. http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |
Skadi vonNiflheim
East Citadel Trading Company
2
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Posted - 2012.03.13 00:10:00 -
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So in other words, true pirates wont give a ****, if you want proof go find -10 or the Heretic Army. NRDS wont give a **** either. Please Mr CSM tell us who actualy suffers? Some suicide ganker in high sec who needs to keep there sec status high enaf to keep doing it? If anything I salute CCP for doing this, piracy is a crime and a criminal record should not be that easy to get rid off. |
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