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rareden
The Skunkworks
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Posted - 2012.03.13 01:46:00 -
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sign me up, getting tired of ccp nerfing everything, games gona die if they continue this |
Psychotic Monk
The Skunkworks
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Posted - 2012.03.13 01:51:00 -
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Buying and fitting Thrashers and Catalysts as we speak. I will be putting them in an Orca and shitting them out for anyone who wants to turn them into glitter for a good cause. |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
1064
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Posted - 2012.03.13 02:41:00 -
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I won't even say I'm opposed to this change. It could be a good thing. I certainly see how the "old way" made it too easy to repair sec status. However...
Darius III wrote: The very fact that they did this without disclosing it to the players
Stealth changes like this SHOULD NOT HAPPEN. Period. CCP's war on piracy needs to stop. |
Buck Futz
Suddenly Violence Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
11
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Posted - 2012.03.13 02:59:00 -
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I suicide ganked another 13 Exhumers + 4 pods today in honor of this thread.
One Phoon, 2 Tornados and 4 Cats gone to a better place - costing me around 170M in hulls. Recovered / unfit most of the expensive gank mods (T2 Arty) into the waiting Orca.
Oh, and look - I've got 13 Intact Armor plates and 12 T2 Harvesters, plus assorted other mods worth around 280M, so I guess it was a profitable evening for me, netting almost 100M ISK.
The ice miners, (well, botters) on the other hand, lost about 2.75 Billion in Hulks, Macks and implants.
Not a bad evening. |
Kiwi Momaki
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.03.13 04:14:00 -
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What can be more delicous than Pirate & Ganker tears!!!! Well other than CSM tears I guess.. |
Pinky Feldman
Gank Bangers Moar Tears
31
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Posted - 2012.03.13 04:54:00 -
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Skadi vonNiflheim wrote:So in other words, true pirates wont give a ****, if you want proof go find -10 or the Heretic Army. NRDS wont give a **** either. Please Mr CSM tell us who actualy suffers? Some suicide ganker in high sec who needs to keep there sec status high enaf to keep doing it? If anything I salute CCP for doing this, piracy is a crime and a criminal record should not be that easy to get rid off.
Like I said before, this mostly affects casual roaming gangs through lowsec. New corps that want to introduce their members to PVP on a lowsec roam before bringing them into nullsec. It might not affect true pirates that are already -10 in the regard that they aren't going to sec up to begin with, but in terms of getting fights, a lot of groups that might have used lowsec as a casual PVP outlet will no longer do this.
The people that suffer are people who occasionally like to pew in lowsec to mix things up because they don't want to be tied to ONE style of gameplay or one profession in EVE. People keep soapboxing that its good that pirates have consequences, except they already did. During the CSM5, the general consensus was that lowsec was broken and now all of the sudden theres nothing wrong and a change that has broken lowsec even more is no big deal?
Its a pity that more CSM candidates aren't bringing this up as this is a fairly important topic from a gameplay and stealth nerf perspective.
EDIT: Just realized I probably replied to an RPer. Whoops.
The moar you cry the less you pee |
Aggressive Nutmeg
125
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Posted - 2012.03.13 04:54:00 -
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Buck Futz wrote:I suicide ganked another 13 Exhumers + 4 pods today in honor of this thread. One Phoon, 2 Tornados and 4 Cats gone to a better place - costing me around 170M in hulls. Recovered / unfit most of the expensive gank mods (T2 Arty) into the waiting Orca. Oh, and look - I've got 13 Intact Armor plates and 12 T2 Harvesters, plus assorted other mods worth around 280M, so I guess it was a profitable evening for me, netting almost 100M ISK. The ice miners, (well, botters) on the other hand, lost about 2.75 Billion in Hulks, Macks and implants. Not a bad evening. Firstly, can I just say: That's a beautiful post. Proper highsec piracy (not griefing) that turns a profit. Nothing wrong with that.
Now onto the topic...
I don't like the fact that CCP did this unannounced. Poor form there. It's challenging enough for semi-newbies like me trying to work out the precise game mechanics and timings, without secret changes being made!
But it might be a clever move by CCP to increase subs? I'd expect a bunch of single-account pirates now creating a second account for an Orca pilot.
Plenty of respectable pilots out there have a second pirate account already. Some people lead double lives in the real world. Some people lead double lives in Eve.
Also, can we position a few Thrashers in Dodixie and Amarr? Everyone expects to be ganked in Jita. Never make eye contact with someone while eating a banana. |
Dead Loss
Sweet Capsuleer Tears
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Posted - 2012.03.13 06:53:00 -
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Sweet Capsuleer Tears supports this outcry.
We will be placing a Thrasher and Catalyst crapping Orca on the Odatrik gate in Rens. |
ScooterPuff Sr
Galactic BANDITOS
14
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Posted - 2012.03.13 07:21:00 -
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proud to yarr and wtb sec and tears. convo for details paying top isk |
Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
488
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Posted - 2012.03.13 07:46:00 -
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I hope this CSM chump jumps off his soap box with a noose around his neck.
Yes, really jump hard and get all excited over sec status. LOL last I checked if you were a pirate it didn't bother you so much. Now EVE got harsher and you actually get a consequence of your risky action....more grind to fix it up. Run rampant across highsec and now its going to hurt, this little change keeps you in check.
To bad CCP can't add an isk penalty as well. As your sec status gets lower, taxes get applied causing your market transactions to go up in price, contracts fees increase, penalty cost for manual trade in station, jump gate toll charge, med clone increases like a combination of contraceptive and child support costs . Hah! This version of EVE would be glorious! You would actually have a Butthurt moment of very harsh consequences to your actions |
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Akeirah
Pixel Universe Brokerage Services
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Posted - 2012.03.13 08:57:00 -
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Patient 2428190 wrote:You guys are acting like CCP did this intentionally, rather than the more likely scenario they broke it and didn't realize how or why its broken.
TBH... This is more likely. |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
261
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Posted - 2012.03.13 08:58:00 -
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In irae, veritas. |
Blatant Forum Alt
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
15
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Posted - 2012.03.13 08:59:00 -
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Aqriue wrote:I hope this CSM chump jumps off his soap box with a noose around his neck. Yes, really jump hard and get all excited over sec status. LOL last I checked if you were a pirate it didn't bother you so much. Now EVE got harsher and you actually get a consequence of your risky action....more grind to fix it up. Run rampant across highsec and now its going to hurt, this little change keeps you in check. To bad CCP can't add an isk penalty as well. As your sec status gets lower, taxes get applied causing your market transactions to go up in price, contracts fees increase, penalty cost for manual trade in station, jump gate toll charge, med clone increases like a combination of contraceptive and child support costs . Hah! This version of EVE would be glorious! You would actually have a Butthurt moment of very harsh consequences to your actions
Look! Another steaming pile of carebear alt faeces clogging up this thread. |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
261
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Posted - 2012.03.13 09:11:00 -
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Dr Hazman wrote: [...] And this change to sec status gain from ratting is another sign that CCP is turning EVE into a protected environment for PVE players.
^^This^^
To which I might add:
That blog is bang-on right--CCP seems to forcing on everyone the solo PvE component--in a game whose solo PvE component is for the most part laughably archaic, un-immersive, gratingly tedious, shite.
Try building a PvE component in your game that's actually fun, immersive, and dynamic--like, first!--before forcing it on people, OK?
Or is what I am beginning to suspect true, that you actually haven't learnt anything from the Incarna debacle, and this turn-around is just a token gesture before going back to the same old ::Awesome?::
[/cynicism] In irae, veritas. |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
261
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Posted - 2012.03.13 09:23:00 -
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Red Els wrote: [...] *This is the single biggest nerf to lowsec and piracy in general ever in Eve's history Dont see the nerft since you kill people who are traveling from a to b, doing some pve in lowsec, or go for small rooming what wont change. and even if it does maybe you shoud go and kill stuff in 00 space if you care to much about it [...] Greets from nitrya
Oh Gods, this rubbish again.
I neither know nor care who your RMT/bot-lord Alliance main is, honey, but you nulltard types need to get it through your thick heads:
1) Not everybody wants to be in null and deal with the bullshit that comes with that territory 2) PvP in EVE neither is, nor is supposed to be a choice between only -10 perma-blinky or nullsec meatshield.
Look up the term "sandbox/open-world MMO" before spewing this same, lame, tired crap, please?
Thank you!
FFS...::nullbears::
E: Post with your main.
In irae, veritas. |
Tora Bushido
Count With Teddy Mercenaries Stay Calm Don't Panic
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Posted - 2012.03.13 10:58:00 -
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Pinky Feldman wrote:Seems to me that a lot of people are letting their personal disdain for Darius III to cloud their reading ability.
The Boy Who Cried Wolf........ My resists to bad posts are 78-89-83-90 ....... The metal head plate increased it by 5%.
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Dorn Val
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
25
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Posted - 2012.03.13 11:21:00 -
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Darius III wrote:
... I am unsubbing my alts, not in protest, but because they are now useless..
...because you were fleeting them up with the character that needed its sec status increased, instead of grinding sec status with the character that needed the increase. You're right, it's not fair.... Just like there is no I in Team there is no Fair in Eve... |
Billy Endashi
State War Academy Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.03.13 11:29:00 -
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Ah, ill add this to my collection of pirate tears. |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
1065
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Posted - 2012.03.13 11:33:00 -
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Before I came here, I always said that if I ever played one MMO, it would be Eve Online. I'd read countless stories of criminal mischief, piracy, and thievery; I wanted to play that game. For eight years it's been one of the big selling points of the game, and CCP has capitalized on that. When I started playing less than two years ago, I had to learn to navigate a dangerous universe, even as a carebear in highsec. And I enjoyed it
Today, we have CCP making Eve into an increasingly safe universe. More and more, people are protected from their own stupidity. Where CCP should be making sure people understand the risks of something, instead they simply remove the risk. CCP is turning highsec into what could at best be described as a co-op game, and they're gutting lowsec by discouraging daytripping and ignoring what little unique content exists there. It's gotten so utterly dull that I've abandoned highsec in favor of living in a wormhole again, building up cash while I wait for Inferno to tell me whether CCP has any interest in keeping my business
I'm not going to unsub any accounts today. I believe CCP is deaf to such protests. What they hear is outcry. They hear protests, rage, what the carebears think passes for tears (protip for the carebears: if you want to sound cool, learn wtf tears are). We've been a neglected group because we've been complacent. While the carebears have been out there whining about everything we do, we've kept to ourselves. We've been repeatedly nerfed because we haven't made our voices heard.
It's time for the pirates, the gankers, the ninjas, the mercenaries, the lowsec daytrippers, and all the rest of us to be heard. Let's make some noise! |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
1065
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Posted - 2012.03.13 11:35:00 -
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Billy Endashi wrote:Ah, ill add this to my collection of pirate tears. Learn to recognize tears. |
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Billy Endashi
State War Academy Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.03.13 11:47:00 -
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FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:Billy Endashi wrote:Ah, ill add this to my collection of pirate tears. Learn to recognize tears.
Ragequitting is tears, wonderful tears. Now stop, before you add to my collection. |
Tunk Rinah
Mong's Marauders
0
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Posted - 2012.03.13 11:57:00 -
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This change means nothing.
I am a pirate.
I shoot what I see.
I steal from anything I can.
I don't want my sec status back.
Let them change the sec status bonus on rats.
I wear my -10 with pride. |
VegasMirage
The Scope Gallente Federation
21
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Posted - 2012.03.13 12:14:00 -
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Clearly, CCP's game changes are attempts to further monetize in-game activities into real life profits for themselves
You want a -10 alt, then you pay for a clean alt to bring you stuff from markets. Do you really want to play on a freighter alt all day long? No, so you have 2 accounts... maybe more.
to me the changes just mean you're a full-time piwate or not a piwate at all, no more moon-lighting weekend warrior types playing piwate in the sandbox, now you must be hardcore and ofc rl cash-on hand doesn't hurt
Any call to stir up the static turd float of hi sec fills me with joy, count me in.
PS: this is my opinion so GFYS if you don't agree with me and save your shyt poasting for battle-clinic please. |
Xearal
SOL Industries Black Thorne Alliance
260
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Posted - 2012.03.13 12:21:00 -
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I'm with Darius on this one. This is a bad nerf. While I approve of the tears of the people who use team tactics like this to rebuild sec status en masse on their alts for suicide ganking, the most damaging effect I think is for the non-piraty people, the casual pirates, and the newbies.
These are all people who will want to keep their sec status at least marginally positive, so they can go back to high sec to resupply or do other things they like doing. Teaming up with people to rat up sec status is one way of making this activity more enjoyable, and more effective. With this nerf, anti-pirates will have to spend more time ratting than hunting pirates, casual pirates and general low-sec dwellers like me will also feel this pain, as they too will be forced to choose either to go -10 or spend ages ratting. Finally, newbies will be more scared to go into low sec now too, because getting back sec status will be much harder.
In all, this is a bad thing. The penalty for piracy was fine before, now it's harshes, yes, but not in a good sense. it means more grinding, which means less time for fun things.
And yes, this is coming from an industrialist. I like my odd little pew pew every now and then too, when I'm bored of hauling stuff, or just want to blow somethign up that is not an NPC.
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Lady Ayeipsia
Tax Dodging Corporation
50
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Posted - 2012.03.13 12:27:00 -
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Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:
Try building a PvE component in your game that's actually fun, immersive, and dynamic--like, first!--before forcing it on people, OK?
Hmmm... You mean something like incursions? Oh wait, people were too busy complaining about the as isk fountains to realize challenging pve.
Yes, nerfing without an indication in the patch notes is bad. Yet the conspiracy theories and tinfoil hat wearing you all are doing is worse. No ccp isn't out to get pirates. If they were, you wouldn't be able to engage people in low sec at all.
My bet, ccp realized that people could fix sec status easily through incursions and this change balanced that mechanic out. It's just something to deal with and move on. |
Meridith Akesia
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
101
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Posted - 2012.03.13 12:29:00 -
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**** sec status.
This change makes me hate the mechanic even more.
Supported etc. |
Propotkin
The Kairos Syndicate Transmission Lost
0
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Posted - 2012.03.13 13:15:00 -
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Aqriue wrote:I hope this CSM chump jumps off his soap box with a noose around his neck. Yes, really jump hard and get all excited over sec status. LOL last I checked if you were a pirate it didn't bother you so much. Now EVE got harsher and you actually get a consequence of your risky action....more grind to fix it up. Run rampant across highsec and now its going to hurt, this little change keeps you in check. To bad CCP can't add an isk penalty as well. As your sec status gets lower, taxes get applied causing your market transactions to go up in price, contracts fees increase, penalty cost for manual trade in station, jump gate toll charge, med clone increases like a combination of contraceptive and child support costs . Hah! This version of EVE would be glorious! You would actually have a Butthurt moment of very harsh consequences to your actions
I agree, if your doing the crime then don't moan that you have to put in the time.
Good show CCP |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
265
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Posted - 2012.03.13 13:16:00 -
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Lady Ayeipsia wrote:Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:
Try building a PvE component in your game that's actually fun, immersive, and dynamic--like, first!--before forcing it on people, OK?
Hmmm... You mean something like incursions? Oh wait, people were too busy complaining about the as isk fountains to realize challenging pve. Yes, nerfing without an indication in the patch notes is bad. Yet the conspiracy theories and tinfoil hat wearing you all are doing is worse. No ccp isn't out to get pirates. If they were, you wouldn't be able to engage people in low sec at all. My bet, ccp realized that people could fix sec status easily through incursions and this change balanced that mechanic out. It's just something to deal with and move on.
Well, Incursions just don't sound like a Hell of a lot of fun to me, spamming fits into the chat-channels and hoping you get accepted--eventually--into some elitist carebear ISK-farmer's fleet of bling-barges....I like to do my own thing, on my own time, and my own fault if I get urp-sploded in losec.
And I meant solo'able content, in ships that don't cost ISK 2Bn-plus.
Losec exploration is about the only one that even comes close, at present, and that is most certainly not guaranteed ISK--and even if it was, then it would still not be adding any new ISK into the economy, it would simply be moving ISK that already exists between players when you sell that nice Pithum A-Type Medium Shield-Booster.
With, I might add, an infinitely better-balanced risk<--->reward component.
And those complaints are 100% legitimate:
The Incursion ISK-faucet has finally brought about the inflationary spiral we all feared was coming (did you really think Tier-1 battleships would stay at ca. ISK 45Mn forever with the amount of ISK already in the economy prior to Incursions?) This is what tipped it over, and lo and behold, 45Mn is what battlecruisers now cost, not to mention PLEX going for over half-again to what they were just 5-6 months ago. That's what happens when you fire-hose in an extra 20-30% more ISK into the economy with no commensurate ISK-sinks.
Hey, thanks a **** of a lot, carebears, way to screw over the entire crop of newer/younger players, especially those who may be RL-cash poor, and actually have the temerity to want to PvP in an open-world PvP-centric game, without going perma-blinky!
There's nothing tinfoil-hat about this, it has been proven repeatedly, and your worm's-eye-view ISK-grubbing, and the entitlement-mentality you display regarding it are, frankly, disgusting.
Frigging carebears--every sandbox that ever existed, your type's unthinking parasitism blithely, blindly ruins, and it seems that EVE may be next.
GTFO/FOAD!
[/rant] In irae, veritas. |
Darius III
Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
1025
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Posted - 2012.03.13 13:17:00 -
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Billy Endashi wrote:FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:Billy Endashi wrote:Ah, ill add this to my collection of pirate tears. Learn to recognize tears. Ragequitting is tears, wonderful tears. Now stop, before you add to my collection.
Theres no rage, just disappointment. That they do not even bother to mention a change witch changes something so fundamental, nor even bother to inform the CSM that it is coming or get any input just shows disrespect to everyone whom is impacted by this change, and disrespect to the CSM and the players that voted for them.
This doesnt impact me personally much as I dont need to shoot anyone to make mad money suiciding. Cowardly changing a mechanic without bothering to disclose it to players makes an outfit look incompetent at best, deceptive at worst. Or both. CCP and even the CSM have a lot of hardworking men and women who are very intelligent, working on making New Eden a better place-it is CCP management that I fear the most. D3 for CSM7 Direct link-á http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=480 |
Tark Grethor
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.03.13 13:19:00 -
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Ah this takes me back to the introduction of warp to 0. That, as I recall, was the end of low sec pvp and all the usual suspects emoragequit (at least they claimed to have). Many a carebear slurped on delicious pirate tears that day |
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