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Mad Scot
Amarrian Retribution
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Posted - 2008.06.18 19:08:00 -
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Here is a question, our corp has been war decced by a minnie alliance. What's the story with that, as we are a corp in the militia. --------------------------- Im going to pick a fight
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4IROW
Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.06.18 19:16:00 -
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I think they don't like you... maybe
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Mad Scot
Amarrian Retribution
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Posted - 2008.06.18 19:17:00 -
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Thanks for the info there lol....yeah but as were afilliated in a militia wouldnt they effectively be deccing the militia? --------------------------- Im going to pick a fight
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Dihania
Mucho Dolor
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Posted - 2008.06.18 19:37:00 -
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ahm, no. makes no sense at all to make the militia act like a npc corp.. meaning protecting people from war decs.
want to be safe ? leave the corp and join in the npc militia corps.
since you are amarr, aligned and in the militia, it's just normal for the role playing entities in the game, that were put off by the FW mechanics (e.g. they have an alliance with history and don't want to disband it etc.) to participate in any way they can, which means by decing your corp.
sure there will be others in the same situation, maybe also from minmatar being deced by amarr etc.
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Mad Scot
Amarrian Retribution
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Posted - 2008.06.18 21:22:00 -
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just from a role playing aspect it sems weird that an alliance can dec a corp in the militia and the rest of ht emilitia cant help. --------------------------- Im going to pick a fight
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Throatslitter
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Posted - 2008.06.19 01:46:00 -
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All Amarr must die, by any means necessary!
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Micia
Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.06.19 01:59:00 -
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Originally by: Mad Scot just from a role playing aspect it sems weird that an alliance can dec a corp in the militia and the rest of ht emilitia cant help.
It does seem to work a bit differently, yah.
However, since the majority of the FW action is in lo-sec, there's definitely the opportunity for the rest of your militias to lend a hand.
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Chungito
Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.06.19 02:01:00 -
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It's one of the few ways roleplay alliances like ourselves have to interact with Faction Warfare.
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Becq Starforged
Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.06.19 02:48:00 -
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Mad Scot, believe me when I say that if CCP allowed us to wardec the entire faction -- 24IC and all -- we'd do so. As it is, CCP has forced us to choose a handful of corps instead.
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rValdez5987
32nd Amarrian Imperial Navy Regiment
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Posted - 2008.06.19 04:34:00 -
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Dont worry friend, We are on their list as well. Stay close to your militia. If I see you engaged by them I will personally assist you. |
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft
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Posted - 2008.06.19 05:03:00 -
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At least you didn't get wardecced by a corp in your own militia. We did, it's messed up that it's even allowed :p.
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Micia
Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.06.19 05:07:00 -
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Originally by: Nyphur At least you didn't get wardecced by a corp in your own militia. We did, it's messed up that it's even allowed :p.
Now that is messed up.
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Rashmika Clavain
Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.06.19 09:29:00 -
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From a role play perspective, are the faction militias recognised by Concorde? If they are not, then you're still just paying a Concorde bribe for response free hostilities in Empire and sec loss free hostilities in low sec.
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Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.06.19 10:08:00 -
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Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon on 19/06/2008 10:12:07
Originally by: Mad Scot just from a role playing aspect it sems weird that an alliance can dec a corp in the militia and the rest of ht emilitia cant help.
Blame CCP.
Minnie RP alliances would be glad to dec the Militia as a whole; unfortunately CCP has decided we can only dec corporations one by one. Congratulations winning the lottery. Look for more of it.
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Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.06.19 10:08:00 -
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Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon on 19/06/2008 10:09:43 Double post, do delete. -- Help us defend the Republic; join Gradient today. |
Telemicus Thrace
Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.06.19 10:22:00 -
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As others have said, if we could dec the entire Amarr Militia we would.
Feel free to encourage the rest of the militia to dec us. Or at least take up the challange to make the dec mutual. That way the war is free for both of us and we can spend the ISK deccing more of your friends.
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Heartstone
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.06.19 10:25:00 -
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Originally by: Rashmika Clavain From a role play perspective, are the faction militias recognised by Concorde?
Yeah the militias are not only allowed but were effectively instituted by Concord in fact by the "Emergency Militia War Powers Act"
As to the rest. Star Fraction wouldn't want to dec the whole of a militia and it's assorted capsuleer corps but we would like to dec the actual militias themselves as from our RP they are the main problem. Still I think we saw that one coming despite our hopes ;) ---
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Tharrn
Vigilia Valeria Expeditionary Forces
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Posted - 2008.06.19 10:27:00 -
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As the Militia is not an alliance but a faction that seems to be about right.
Mindboggling question: what happens if someone decs a corp in his own Militia? Will they show blue or red or maybe purple? :P
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Telemicus Thrace
Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.06.19 10:31:00 -
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Originally by: Tharrn As the Militia is not an alliance but a faction that seems to be about right.
Mindboggling question: what happens if someone decs a corp in his own Militia? Will they show blue or red or maybe purple? :P
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Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.06.19 10:37:00 -
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Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon on 19/06/2008 10:37:43
Originally by: Tharrn Mindboggling question: what happens if someone decs a corp in his own Militia? Will they show blue or red or maybe purple? :P
I think Tharrn knew this already but since others might not: you can actually select how they will show up. If a person matches several possible "colortags" on your overview settings, the one highest up on the list is the one that will be used.
Highly recommendable to set wars to have priority, just in case you ever get decced by a blue. :)
Originally by: Telemicus Thrace Feel free to encourage the rest of the militia to dec us. Or at least take up the challange to make the dec mutual.
This. Mutual decs will make it possible for isk to be spent to dec more of your militia, which will make it easier for them to help you.
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Xennith
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.06.19 10:57:00 -
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Originally by: Chungito It's one of the few ways roleplay alliances like ourselves have to interact with Faction Warfare.
without ****ing our sec status anyhow, or getting our little FW friendly frigs / cruisers blown up by gateguns. We come for our people |
Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.06.19 11:09:00 -
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Originally by: Rashmika Clavain From a role play perspective, are the faction militias recognised by Concorde?
They are: Linky to news
But we still can't dec them cause CCP says so. Hell, we cannot even set the militia red - have to do that too corp by corp.
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Venkul Mul
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Posted - 2008.06.19 11:11:00 -
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I see a little bug in the concept "We wardec the single corporation in the militia as a way to wardec the militia".
Doing so you get immunity from Concord and gateguns but keep immunity from the faction navy in the empire high sec. Something that is not reciprocal for the corporation you wardecced.
However you put it it is not right.
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Molock Saronen
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Posted - 2008.06.19 11:26:00 -
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Originally by: Venkul Mul I see a little bug in the concept "We wardec the single corporation in the militia as a way to wardec the militia".
Doing so you get immunity from Concord and gateguns but keep immunity from the faction navy in the empire high sec. Something that is not reciprocal for the corporation you wardecced.
However you put it it is not right.
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Haks'he Lirky
Dominion Imperium
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Posted - 2008.06.19 11:31:00 -
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Originally by: Mad Scot Thanks for the info there lol....yeah but as were afilliated in a militia wouldnt they effectively be deccing the militia?
Wardecs are unafected by militia mechanics, it's possible to wardec individual corporations within the militia without them affecting the Militia.
This is not very clearly stated on the factional warfare information page (and no I am not being sarcastic).
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Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.06.19 11:49:00 -
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Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon on 19/06/2008 11:50:57
Originally by: Venkul Mul I see a little bug in the concept "We wardec the single corporation in the militia as a way to wardec the militia".
Doing so you get immunity from Concord and gateguns but keep immunity from the faction navy in the empire high sec. Something that is not reciprocal for the corporation you wardecced.
However you put it it is not right.
Blame CCP who says alliances cannot join the militias. Believe me, we would if we could.
Before FW went live, the feedback discussion went about like this:
RP-alliences: Can we join the militias? CCP: No. RP-alliances: Pls? CCP: No. RP-alliances: K, then, can we dec the militias? CCP: No. RP-alliances: You gotta be kidding us?? CCP: No. RP-alliances: Ok, it's low sec, can we shoot them without losing sec status? CCP: No. RP-alliances: *sigh* Ok, so, what can we do? CCP: You can dec the corps.
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Sapphrine
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.06.19 12:05:00 -
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Simple solution / work around for the OP.
You have been dec'd as have a total of 4 other corps. You can either weather it with those or you can encourage the other amarrian faction militia's to war dec us to improve your numbers. Sadly we can't wardec you as the whole miltiia, CCP refused to let us do that.
I can say this as an official line from U'K however. Any Amarrian Militia war dec'ing us will get a mutual dec so they wont have to pay. If your friends want to help you we have no problem with fighting them aswell :)
If any of them wish to discuss this OOC first before declaring i'm happy to chat in game when i'm there.
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Telemicus Thrace
Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.06.19 12:10:00 -
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Originally by: Venkul Mul I see a little bug in the concept "We wardec the single corporation in the militia as a way to wardec the militia".
Doing so you get immunity from Concord and gateguns but keep immunity from the faction navy in the empire high sec. Something that is not reciprocal for the corporation you wardecced.
However you put it it is not right.
Not correct. We still take standings hits shooting the militia so we will eventually have issues with the Amarr Navy (I use the term issue loosly). Those of us who don't already, we have spent years fighting the Amarr after all.
The corps we have war decced have the same immunity to gate guns and concord as we do. As with all war decs it's now open season for both sides.
The challange has been put down that these guys can make the dec mutual. That way we can both fight without fees. The ISK we save can be put towards deccing more militia corps.
I fail to see what is not right about it. We are paying to wage war on open supporters of the Amarr Empire. Just as we always have. It's not like we can even say this is picking on miners, the 24th Crusade have signed on for Faction Warfare.
If CCP want to set a mutual war between the 24th Crusade and the Ushra'Khan then they can. I'm all for that. This is the option presented to us, we are not going ignore the war we have been waiting for all these years simply because we have to pony up some ISK.
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Karn Mithralia
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.06.19 12:24:00 -
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Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon
But we still can't dec them cause CCP says so.
You could read that as 'cause CONCORD' says so ...
CCP hands us the tools, we work with them :)
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CCP Greyscale
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Posted - 2008.06.19 12:52:00 -
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The systems behind Factional Warfare basically just don't touch the War Declaration system, at least from a design point of view. This is both why you can dec militia player corps including those within your own militia (the war system doesn't see corps in a militia as any different from corps not in a militia) and why you can't dec the entire militia (it's not a corporation or an alliance and thus not a valid target).
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