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Dez Affinity
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Posted - 2012.03.13 13:23:00 -
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CCP Greyscale wrote:needed to resolve the specific issue (titans performing excessively well against subcaps in certain circumstances)
(low transversal at optimal ranges)
CCP Greyscale wrote: XL turret tracking halvedGÇÜ s-û-¦ge module track-ûng penalty removed
You realise what this does to Moros right? And how people use them?
CCP Greyscale wrote: Titans reduced to 3 maximum locked targets, and base scan resolution reduced to 5
So just being able to track subcaps isn't enough, you have to make it harder to lock and kill anything at the same time? Why wasn't the halving of tracking enough of a change?
CCP Greyscale wrote: Changes considered and discarded:
(I'm expecting at least three people to not read the word "discarded" and make angry posts about something in this section. C'est la vie.)
Titans can't lock subcaps at all
Guaranteed effective solution, but we considered it too hacky and restrictive.
Adding a "minimum sig radius" attribute to turrets, below which damage would fall off regardless of tracking
Too big a change and more technical work than we actually needed to solve the problem.
Hahaha. I'll be honest I was expecting the first one to make it.
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Dez Affinity
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Posted - 2012.03.13 13:42:00 -
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C'sandre wrote: Nice Sir Bruce. And I can't decide which I love more, how seriously you take your Eve: Online A Bad Game or how bad you are at titans shouldn't kill subcaps even at low transversal and optimal range.
I remember when Goons didn't take EVE seriously and then they became infested with pubbie faggots.
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Dez Affinity
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Posted - 2012.03.13 15:17:00 -
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GeneralDisturbed wrote:There is clearly no problem currently with titans in a blob being able to lock, track, and wipe out, every type of ship in the game instantly. None whatsoever.
Post the killmails where titans couldn't track a subcap because they know what transversal velocity is. |
Dez Affinity
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Posted - 2012.03.13 16:00:00 -
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Andski wrote:BioZvin wrote:The Mittani wrote:Titan pilots make up .002% of the player population, if we assume 350k players and ~730 titans according to Diagoras' tweets. So titan pilots don't have more accounts, and btw titans do not shoot sub caps if there are caps on field FYI. I understand why you want this to happen, but don't tell me just because you will not commit that you can not. 92D. let's be generous and assume that every titan pilot has 4 accounts, that's still insignificant
Goons have 0.02% of player population. You are insignificant yet MITANNI CONTROLS MY GAME.
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Dez Affinity
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Posted - 2012.03.13 16:05:00 -
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The Mittani wrote:Dez Affinity wrote:
Goons have 0.02% of player population. You are insignificant yet MITANNI CONTROLS MY GAME.
what i got from this post is that i'm a baller i'm content with it~
I'm pretty sure no matter what words you see, you read it as "Mittani you're so cool, that soul patch looks GREAT on you"
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Dez Affinity
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Posted - 2012.03.13 18:08:00 -
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Darth Tickles wrote: The result will be a more accessible, dynamic, and fluid nullsec populated and controlled by people who actually use space and log in more than once every two weeks to blap 500 subcaps and log back off.
LOL |
Dez Affinity
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Posted - 2012.03.13 18:12:00 -
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Andski wrote:
who cares about raiden
Seemingly every member of GOONSWARM FEDERATION who just can't stop posting about them.
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Dez Affinity
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Posted - 2012.03.13 18:45:00 -
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Tallian Saotome wrote: There are plenty of people out there who can and will beat 2x their own numbers by playing smart and knowing what their enemies fly, and how their doctrines work.
Not to give away any secrets, but the true linchpin of alphafleet is not the maelstrom, or the 1400mm arty, so its pretty easy to neuter if you understand game mechanics.
You heard it here first folks.
Fatal Ascension, Tactical PvP Geniuses. |
Dez Affinity
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Posted - 2012.03.13 20:25:00 -
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Crakachunky wrote:okay so now fleet fights will work like this:
600 dudes meet 600 dudes, one side starts loosing and brings in carriers for reps, other side deploys dreads and carriers, other side now brings in supers to kill the caps, other side brings in supers and titans, everyone dies untill theres 1 dude in a rifter left
how fights work currently:
600 dudes meets 600 dues, one side brings in titans and wins
after this change escalation mechanics will actually work (titans are meant to be giant support ships and a last card play)
What game do you play? No one would every deploy dreads when theres 600 enemy support on the field and they certainly would not do it to kill triage carriers. Triage carriers get alpha'd in that fight. Whoever brings them is basically suiciding carriers (which is fine but it's not an effective use of a carrier).
Also in all my time playing EVE I've never seen a 'fair fight'. 600 vs 600 is mythical, someone will have 800 the other 400. If even numbers do occur, one of them will stand down because "it's just not worth it, we might lose".
EVE has always been about making the other guy commit thinking he will win.
I dunno, maybe I'm wrong, maybe Colonel O'Neill of STARGATE SG-1 knows more about PvP than me.
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Dez Affinity
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Posted - 2012.03.13 20:29:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:Grath Telkin wrote:Tarsus Zateki wrote:
Are you illiterate? It says right there in the blog post. Titans are there to blap other capital ships. Something they are already very good at and have not had that ability nerfed in the slightest.
Wait, will these be the titans that need 30 billion in sensor boosters to lock a cap before it can de agro and dock? its cute you think you're getting enough cormack's at any price
That's kind of the point...
Way to read between the lines genius. |
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Dez Affinity
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Posted - 2012.03.13 20:33:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:Dez Affinity wrote:
That's kind of the point...
Way to read between the lines genius.
you mean the lines of my pile of officer sensor boosters because the things it's saying there are dirty
Hey goonswarm this guy is in your alliance lma0 |
Dez Affinity
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Posted - 2012.03.13 20:38:00 -
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Sentinel Eeex wrote:
Judging by the nonsense you are spewing, it would appear that he actually does know more about PvP than you.
Go ahead and refute what I said.
No one is dropping dreads in a support fight to kill triage carriers outside of low sec (where the numbers total in the fight are around the hundred mark) |
Dez Affinity
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Posted - 2012.03.13 20:46:00 -
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Kazanir wrote:
You don't actually believe this either, and I know it. You know that different fleets wildly vary in effectiveness and that there is a huge and ever-changing metagame between Maelstroms, Drakes, Tengus, Abaddons, sniping T3/HACs, bombers, carriers, and on and on and on. The subcapital and capital fleet war is most certainly NOT dominated by raw numbers in the way that almost every war for the past 2 years* has been dominated by who has more supercaps.
Supercaps suffer from the "he who has more, wins!" problem in a way that subcaps and caps actually never have.
* I am excluding the wars where the defending alliance was already dead and rotting on the inside and merely needed to be eviscerated and have all its structures shot.
When it comes to support fights there's a bottleneck in fleet doctrines and it mostly comes down to what you can tank, because if you can't counter by raw dps you need to keep the dps you do have alive.
No matter what doctrine you bring, there comesa point where you're getting alpha'd because there's just so many dudes shooting you, it's pretty simple.
Andski wrote:Dez Affinity wrote:Sentinel Eeex wrote:
Judging by the nonsense you are spewing, it would appear that he actually does know more about PvP than you.
Go ahead and refute what I said. No one is dropping dreads in a support fight to kill triage carriers outside of low sec (where the numbers total in the fight are around the hundred mark) hey I wonder why dreads are fielded so often in low-sec what has effectively been out of the game there? bombs, it's obviously bombs
brilliant, fatal acension will be contacting you shortly.
(p.s it's nothing to do with titans, it's the low cost, high dps and ability to track BS, basically a sc post patch) |
Dez Affinity
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Posted - 2012.03.13 21:38:00 -
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Khadmos wrote:Lelob wrote:Innominate wrote:Grath Telkin wrote:So again, what beats 1200 dudes A better question is, why should 100 dudes be able to beat those 1200 dudes without any serious risk to themselves? Why can't out of 1200 dudes, 200 can't get into dreads and pwn 100 dudes? c wut i did thar Because you are ******** and don't know what a doomsday is.
Look at this Fatal Acension guy thinking that losing dreads to kill super(s) is the worst thing ever.
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Dez Affinity
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Posted - 2012.03.13 23:20:00 -
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I'm not going to say titan tracking isn't/wasn't too good when fit specifically for tracking, because it is but posting killmails to make your point is just stupid. Killmails don't prove anything.
I can guarantee that if that Buzzard didn't mess up he wouldn't have died to a titan. All you need to maintain in a frigate sized ship vs a titan is 100-150m/s tranversal and you're golden up to ridiculous ranges where transversal is less of a factor.
But killmails don't show what transversal, what distance or if the buzzard was even moving at all. (I mean it was decloaked and locked by a titan for one thing, so he ****** up pretty hard)
Then you have the 'orbit the anchor at 5k' tactic, which will never work against multiple titans because depending on how many titans there are, you're going to have low transversal to them at some point and you're dead for sure. Or there's the "BURN AWAY/BURN OUT OF BUBBLES" tactic which gives you huge sig or worse yet almost 0m/s transversal depending on the direction you burn/move.
As with any size guns, you have to get UNDER their tracking, bringing in tengus or drakes at 50 orbiting an anchor is just a dumb idea anyway,.
I guess I should repeat that, yeah tracking is kind of great right now, but it really is the only consistent counter to vastly large amounts of subcaps right now so 'fixing it' creates problems too. |
Dez Affinity
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Posted - 2012.03.13 23:32:00 -
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EnderCapitalG wrote:Guys, they have more friends than me
u have frends l0l |
Dez Affinity
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Posted - 2012.03.14 01:18:00 -
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this andski guy still going hard in this thread
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Dez Affinity
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Posted - 2012.03.14 01:55:00 -
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Joba Korako wrote:Dez Affinity wrote:Sentinel Eeex wrote:
Judging by the nonsense you are spewing, it would appear that he actually does know more about PvP than you.
Go ahead and refute what I said. No one is dropping dreads in a support fight to kill triage carriers outside of low sec (where the numbers total in the fight are around the hundred mark) So, some PL dude is all like and we're all like "No one is dropping dreads in a support fight to kill triage carriers outside of low sec" and the CFC is all like http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&adjacent&kll_id=12735034
Quoting me after I watered down what I said in my following post, I was referring the the 600 vs 600 scenario. BUT OK. |
Dez Affinity
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Posted - 2012.03.14 01:56:00 -
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Haha what did someone link my post in jabber and you all got an instant erection? |
Dez Affinity
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Posted - 2012.03.14 14:27:00 -
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just came to check if andski was still sperging
exciting life you lead br0 |
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Dez Affinity
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Posted - 2012.03.14 14:41:00 -
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Andski wrote:Hannott Thanos wrote:Andski wrote:Hannott Thanos wrote:This is bullsh!t and you all know it. A titan should be able to track all ships. It's biggest, therefore it has to be best.
-- Sincerely, Death Star. nope sincerely, me Someone did not get the joke? :) i have a hangover so yeah i kinda missed it
Sat on eve-o drinkin' beer, posting on forums
we got a badass over here
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Dez Affinity
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Posted - 2012.03.14 14:46:00 -
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Andski wrote:Dez Affinity wrote:Sat on eve-o drinkin' beer, posting on forums
we got a badass over here
hey which titan do you have and how do you feel about being hazed with a pos ornament????? lmao
none
lmao |
Dez Affinity
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Posted - 2012.03.15 21:17:00 -
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just checking in to see if andski has found a new hobby yet
keep dreamin' buddy~ |
Dez Affinity
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Posted - 2012.03.16 17:37:00 -
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Andski wrote:anybody want to hear a joke?
titans
THIS IS AN INTERVENTION
I AM HERE FOR YOU, WE CARE ABOUT YOU.
You're addicted to posting on EVE-O, it's unhealthy, but we can work through this.
Check your posting history, it's scary, I'm genuinely worried for you, friend. 8 hours a day for at least the last week, posting at 5-10 minute intervals. That is not normal.
There's more to life than posting on an internet spaceship forum and there are avenues you can pursue to curb this.
PLEASE SEEK HELP.
WE CARE ABOUT YOU. |
Dez Affinity
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Posted - 2012.03.17 16:45:00 -
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Andski wrote:John Maynard Keynes wrote:words look at this pubbie trash acting like he has a clue
For just 5 dollars a month you can get this guy a hobby.
MAKE A DIFFERENCE TODAY |
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