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Posted - 2012.03.13 22:49:00 -
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Enochia Starr wrote:If you remove tracking, bring back AOE Doomsday.
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Posted - 2012.03.13 23:03:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Grath Telkin wrote:What am i dropping on them with, I can only field 200 guys
You might have to open your recruitment beyond "anybody with a supercap". Like I've been saying, this will be the "Numbers are all that matter" patch
Damn goons are their low-end SP recruitment from the Something Awful Dot Com forums.
You shouldn't be allowed to live in nullsec unless your alliance has a 70million SP average! |
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Posted - 2012.03.13 23:03:00 -
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Also, Grath, you need to calm down dude. |
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Posted - 2012.03.13 23:03:00 -
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I know you're always mad, but really we do love you. |
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Posted - 2012.03.13 23:06:00 -
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SuperBeastie wrote:Charles Case wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:Swearte Widfarend wrote:
So Titans can't hit MWD drakes with the signature of carriers flying in a ball (orbiting an anchor) that is keeping range when their transversal hits zero, because geometry failed me, but your enlightening post has cleared it all up.
Thanks!
If your range from your target is maintained throughout your orbit of the anchor, your trans never hits 0. i don't think you'll be able to get through to this one you guys are both ******* idiots learn to read if you are anchored on someone other than the guy shooting at you there are 2 points in the orbit where you have 0 trans. By making this change you are actually hurting the alliances who actually have the balls to field their 100b isk ships. The cfc has at least 2 times the super capital numbers as raiden. The problem is we don't have the balls to lose some killing all of theirs.
Hello Bad Poster of Test Alliance Please Ignore.
The door is over there. Please excuse yourself.
Good day. |
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Posted - 2012.03.13 23:09:00 -
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But guys my pixels cost more than your pixels so I should win!!!!!! |
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Posted - 2012.03.13 23:23:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote:EnderCapitalG wrote:
Damn goons are their low-end SP recruitment from the Something Awful Dot Com forums.
You shouldn't be allowed to live in nullsec unless your alliance has a 70million SP average!
This is the problem: Right now, either side can win, as Goons have shown in Tenal.
Goons can win when Raidendot doesn't drop 70 Titans.
Grath, guy, really.
Stop.
Come on. |
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Posted - 2012.03.13 23:27:00 -
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SuperBeastie wrote:Andski wrote:SuperBeastie wrote:0 Trans = Dead. These changes do nothing to fix peoples stupidity why don't you join PL about it lmao you're a idiot changing the game to who ever brings more subcaps wins is not any better than who bring more super caps.
You seem really mad about this.
Should I get into jabber at work and troll you and your kin about it some more?
I mean, I spent 3 hours doing it today, including widotters and even other goons who are mentally ******** and think that their space pixels are more important than our subcap fleets.
Just say the word~ |
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Posted - 2012.03.13 23:28:00 -
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Guys, they have more friends than me |
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Posted - 2012.03.13 23:28:00 -
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Nerf friends |
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Posted - 2012.03.13 23:31:00 -
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GreGh Rakrot wrote:Andski wrote:
Nobody wants titans to be POS ornaments, not even the CFC.
Did you not pay attention to the fact that there is an entire EXPANSION coming up focused on warfare?
Awesome, so you agree this nerfbat is not needed and that everything will be sorted out in this next expansion, titans and subcaps blobs being unstopable and sov mechanics being ****. Its kind of funny that Im arguing for the balancing of titan tracking (in a reasonable manner, till the Warfare patch hits where we all count on CCP to make things right again) the way Goonswarm member suggested but other members keep trying to argue against it. If you would really be against titans being useless you would want hotfix that doesnt makes them completely terrible while we wait for that next expansion, sadly this hotfix isnt that and many members of your alliance and powerblock acknowledged that in this thread but you and others like you just seem to see stuff in black and white.
lmbo |
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Posted - 2012.03.13 23:50:00 -
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God-Emperor of Amarr wrote:Someone is crying. Teardrops glisten on your cheeks. Internet Spaceships.
Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like Like |
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Posted - 2012.03.13 23:53:00 -
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Bozl1n wrote:Sentinel Eeex wrote:Organa wrote:Does ccp not seem to realize that there are only currently 2 ways to counter a vastly numerically Superior force? 1 bombers which die in droves but have some chance but generally arnt that effective in killing 1000 dudes with 200. and the titan blob.
Tell me, how would you kill 25 titans? You guys need to put 150 odd of your 1600 man blob into dreads. And stop implying you have NO WAY to win WITHOUT bringing 50 titans yourself
Because you should have to bring 3x the numbers to counter the same amount of other people, right?
And the lose nearly every ship to kill 2-3 targets if you are lucky. |
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Posted - 2012.03.14 00:04:00 -
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SuperBeastie wrote:Grath do me a favor go through and list out the numbers of supers and titan the cfc has by alliance.
(8:01:50 PM) Ender "Capital" G: superbeastie: Dude, give up |
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Posted - 2012.03.14 00:11:00 -
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Bozl1n wrote:Sirhan Blixt wrote:Bozl1n wrote:Andski wrote:92 dread hulls on the market, hmm Then build some? Your lack of self-awareness is breathtaking. You really think not being able to simply buy them from the market is a valid argument? Really?
Jesus wept. |
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Posted - 2012.03.14 00:20:00 -
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Bozl1n wrote:@ how little class your post has
Calling me a low class poster lmbo |
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Bozl1n wrote:EnderCapitalG wrote:Bozl1n wrote:@ how little class your post has
Calling me a low class poster lmbo That post sucked it contributed nothing at all apart to flame = no class
So report it and move along.
PS You're one to talk~ |
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Posted - 2012.03.14 00:34:00 -
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There goes Grath, madposting again. |
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Bozl1n wrote:EnderCapitalG wrote:Bozl1n wrote:EnderCapitalG wrote:Bozl1n wrote:@ how little class your post has
Calling me a low class poster lmbo That post sucked it contributed nothing at all apart to flame = no class So report it and move along. PS You're one to talk~ No need to report it - dont think it bothers me Sorry am i spoiling the smugathon?
heh, no |
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Posted - 2012.03.14 00:43:00 -
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Keep fuckin that chicken. |
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Posted - 2012.03.14 00:51:00 -
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Andski wrote:Grath Telkin wrote:Here's a hint, if Mittens isn't tearing down the CSAA's building titans theres an obvious reason why, and that reason, is that this patch, is a joke.
I'm glad that you're perfectly fine with titans being nerfed into oblivion to the point where our CSAAs would simply be torn down.
He's in denial.
Sleep softly, sweet Grath. |
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Posted - 2012.03.14 01:24:00 -
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GeneralDisturbed wrote:Andski wrote:Bozl1n wrote:Under this system the dreads will get a good 30 secs before the titans even lock target - assumeing all 25 titans shot at different targets ud lose 25 odd to doomsday? You have an age before they are ready to fire again
And yea it might have been replaced straight away - but kill ennuf of them and they wouldnt be replaced so easy.
I AGREE that titans should not be able to pwn subcaps wholesale - but at the same time you should be in the correct ships for the job urself, which it seems you havnt been?
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=12203172yep wrong ships Look at that. Out of all the fights in the last few months where the titan blobbing group has instantly won by dropping titans. They managed to lose ONE TITAN. In months. Despite dropping them on fleets of hundreds of battleships every other day, and forcing them to run away because they cannot hurt any of the titans onfield, no matter their numbers. Clearly nothing is wrong here.
And if it wasn't for Time Dilation (thank Goons for this as well), we wouldn't have killed it.
Also, I helped kill it in MY REVELATION :3 |
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Posted - 2012.03.14 16:18:00 -
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Guys my ship costs a lot and I have more SP than you so I should win! |
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Posted - 2012.03.14 16:43:00 -
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Triskian wrote:Raiden., NC., and PL. We might not agree on the titan nerf, but I think I have found something we can all agree on and that is penguins are adorable.
Everyone in Theta Squad has been watching these guys for like.. a week
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Posted - 2012.03.14 17:46:00 -
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The Mittani wrote:asdf ghyj wrote:Dear CCP if do this nerf then gief back to all pilots titan skills cuz we spend 5 bil for skill and 100 bils = for titan and wasting like 3 month + for make skill AND NOW WE CANT USE THIS SHIP cuz this MITANI not have skill and isk to take titan
MR MITANI go play PREPELIX ONLINE and stop cry to CCP cuz u guys (goon) cant fly titans
OR MAKE SERVER FOR GOONS AND LET US PLAY FAIR And CCp what prefer to have 6-7k players( goons) or 60k players ?????? Think before do wrong changes I fly an Erebus, and have one of the largest Titan fleets in the galaxy. The hard fact is that the fault lies with the people who used Titans to annihilate subcaps en masse, and then had the poor judgement to laugh about it, congratulate themselves, and keep doing it. If RDN, NCdot and PL hadn't gone whole-hog abusing an obviously broken mechanic, this nerf would have never happened. They may tell themselves that the inarguable imbalance of blapping titans was a sign of their 'skill' or 'superiority' - the same excuses offered forth throughout the history of the Titan, justifying Remote Doomsdays, AoE Doomsdays, etc etc. The same old guard players, the same old guard excuses, the same old-guard entitlement. Ultimately, the nemesis of titans was the poor impulse control of their own pilots - the inability, when faced with what amounted to a free bar, not to drink themselves into blundering violence and to assault the other guests.
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Alemanha Pereira wrote:Its clear to me Titan blobs are hated, and so is Goon Subcap blobs This leaves 1 common place, everyone hates some sort of blob My proposition: Nerf blobs, make it where no more then 20 people can aggress in 1 system at a time. Naturally you'll be able to lower structures HP too. [:twisted If you really want to make it even more fool proof and easier to program, make it where no more then 20 peopl can undock from a station in any 1 system. also I am making an offer to purchase all titans owned by Raiden for an equal trade of a fully fitted Hurricane per titan Since it's proven Goons can be killed by Hurricanes price on them has sky rocketed, I can only hold my offer in place 5minutes at a time proof the caek is not a lie: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=12743537OFFER IS STILL VALID < i will edit this as I can still afford to purchase the expensive sky rocketing prices of Hurricanes.
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Mathicluanna wrote:Combat capitals are stupid. Remove Titans and Supercarriers from the game and the Dread would actually become pretty balanced again. Its a ship with a specific, necessary role that has to commit to a fight and is vulnerable if not protected. Adding a combat capital is a terrible idea much like the original field command ships being better HACs was a terrible idea. It just creates a new baseline for combat ship and panders to the people who think their 05 regdate should give them in game advantage.
B-b-b-b-but I have more S-S-S-SP than you do an-an-an-and I-I-I spent a lot-t-t-t on my t-t-t-titan.
I D-D-D-DESERVE IT. |
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Posted - 2012.03.15 00:36:00 -
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Why yes, that's my impression of the average Raidendot pilot, why do you ask? |
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Posted - 2012.03.15 01:20:00 -
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Guys, Titans were just fine before the change, honest!
I mean, blapping afterburning frigates is perfectly fine! Also camping gates in lowsec and killing literally everything that goes through it is 100% A-OK as well.
Why can't you guys see this? |
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Posted - 2012.03.15 01:20:00 -
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Really! |
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Posted - 2012.03.15 01:21:00 -
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Guys, my SP and ISK and ~gamechanger~
lol goonNOOBS only have 5mil SP hahahahahaha |
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Posted - 2012.03.15 01:55:00 -
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StainLessStealRat wrote:Also when i burn away from BS in a straight line in my Slicer i allways die, when will you look at BS tracking?
lol
This isn' t the same situation and you know it. |
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Posted - 2012.03.15 01:57:00 -
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Vonce forthelulz wrote:One can argue that this is a good end point for the titan class, but making this change as an immediate, entirely class-nerfing release drastically changes the balance of 0.0 power-blocks and sends a bad message about the role of the CSM.
Sorry that you won't be able to win fights with this nerf.
Then again, any time you guys dropped Titans we declared it as a victory anyway since we know you can't kill us without them~~ |
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Posted - 2012.03.15 01:57:00 -
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Andski wrote:with raiden's high skillpoint concentration and ability to adapt to a changing combat environment I am sure that they will continue to fight us just fine
right?
The real question is here, are they, too, a professional merc alliance like Pandemic Legion??? |
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Posted - 2012.03.15 22:51:00 -
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This thread is going places. |
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Reilly Duvolle wrote:Weaselior wrote:Reilly Duvolle wrote: No I think the point I am making is that your adversaries now have hade their supposedly undefateable iWin button for a year, and mystrerioulsy you still hold territory in nullsec. How can an undefeatable iwin button ever be "trapped"? It is a logical impossibility. Unless of course, it really isnt undefeatble after all.
But you allready knew that. You just conviniently forget to mention it.
yes, let us spend hours explaining the basics of nullsec warfare to someone barely more literate than a plant, that sounds like a wise use of time Then dont. You have painted yourself into a corner with wildly exaggregated claims of your enemies employing supposedly undefeatable iWin buttons. And when someone points out that logically, this would mean that they would have wiped the floor with you many months ago and chased you back to lowsec, you have real trouble explaing how you can still hold territory in nullsec and even how you have expanded your holdings the last months.
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Posted - 2012.03.15 22:53:00 -
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Guys, we still hold space so supers aren't overpowered. |
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Forums poster Reilly Duvolle has us on the ropes. |
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Reilly Duvolle wrote:Andski wrote:Reilly Duvolle wrote:Andski wrote:the rock my posts blocked so somebody explain what happens when the "i win" buttons are trapped where their staging towers used to be, surrounded by bubbles in our home system Oh but you misunderstand my dear Andski. You see, undefatable iWin buttons would be impossible to "trap". They would have just blasted out of there, killing everything. This is after all, what you claim them to be capable off. hmm yes we've clearly demonstrated the ability of supercapitals to disregard 150km of bubbles Bubbles arent really a problem if everything else is dead, is it? It just take time slowboating out of them, but again - if everything is dead anyway because you just kill them, whats the big problem? I mean, there was a LOT of supers trapped in VFK. An unstoppable rapetrain to quote your own views on the matter. it is a mystery indeed.
This isn't what I requested. |
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Posted - 2012.03.15 23:03:00 -
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Not even close :( |
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Posted - 2012.03.15 23:35:00 -
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But guys, don't you see? He's pulling our strings!
We got so caught up in proving him wrong at every turn that we didn't realize that he was pulling our strings and making us sperg! |
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Posted - 2012.03.15 23:37:00 -
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John Maynard Keynes wrote:This is not a shitposting contest. Please try to write something usefull.
No backseat moderating. |
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Nerd. |
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I'm Down wrote:There is a reason why IGÇÖve said for the past 2 years that adjusting tracking will not fix the problem. Just like fixing lock time also does not address the problem at all.
You developers have for years completely ignored your tracking mechanics and how utterly garbage they are. You have also ignored people informing you of why you canGÇÖt fix tracking under the current design. So let me drop this knowledge on you for why your first fix to titans has changed so little in what they do that it will have virtually 0 impact on the game after a few months of adaptation:
The current problem is that titans in large numbers can blap the ever living **** out of a fleet with basically no risk simply because they are huge HP buffers that can be repaired by motherships which are also huge HP buffers. Now I could ***** and moan about Capital Remote repairers and their range and their effectiveness, particularly on huge hp and resist stars like supers, but that would go off track of my point, so IGÇÖll avoid the temptation.
So you changed trackingGǪ big whoop. Rather than track around 220 m/s for every 10km of range, an Erebus/Rag now tracks about 110 m/s for every 10km of range. In addition, they have a gun sig size of about double that of a BS. This creates some magical world where a ship further away can be tracked better, but is some how mysteriously the same size as though range dilation has no affect at all on how well you can see that now tiny little dot. In laymanGÇÖs termsGǪ. This means that if Eve mechanics worked in the real universe, Every star in the whole freaking universe would look approximately the same size as our sun, as would all the planets in size relation to our moon rather than the tiny specs in the sky that they are. So hereGÇÖs what happens after your patch to just circumvent the whole problem you just createdGǪ. Lock time you sayGǪ Tracking speed you sayGǪ
Hello MR Proteus, Hello either 5 AEONS with 4 Domi painters or 50 Archons with 4 T2 Painters (and just for luls cause the ship is cheap, why not throw in 2 range extenders for the painters as well). Now that wonderful tengu has an 800-1200 sig and at 60km can be tracked plus has a sig size near the same as the guns do. That Maelstrom has a 1700 + sigGǪ ie bigger than the guns do, and can be tracked at about 12km rangeGǪ. And oh yeah, you can easily get those 300-400,000 ehp small sig lokis to web down anything closer than those ranges to prevent them from avoiding the tracking problemsGǪ not like tech 3GÇÖs are rare these days.
Oh but lock time you sayGǪ well if the carrier paints before the Titans ever lockGǪ. Oh yeah, Lock a tengu in 30-35 seconds, lock a Maelstrom in 23-30 secondsGǪ thatGÇÖs so brutal. Oh yeah, and thatGÇÖs just with ******* Navy tracking computers and sensor boosters, I didnGÇÖt even toss in the Meta 13-14 gear.
GeeGǪ in 20 minutes of planning and a slight modification to what my fleet roles are, IGÇÖve just circumvented your entire titan patch plans b/c you thought this was enough to warrant not changing the coding of your formulas so that they make sense.
Good thing thereGÇÖs nobody in this game who couldnGÇÖt ya know, divide their titan pilots up on mumble into 10-15 sub channels, have a few SCGÇÖs assigned to each for painting and just perform the exact same way where itGÇÖs GÇ£paint, blap, blap, boomGÇ¥ rather than the old, GÇ£blap, blap, boomGÇ¥GǪ. That extra stepGǪ it will be the death of me. Guess us PL folk, or Raiden folk, or NC. Folk will have a horrible time adapting to this fix bros.
Thanks for the effortGǪ maybe next time youGÇÖll listen to sense, put in the extra time needed, and avoid yet another **** fix.
This is a good post.
Address the points, call everyone stupid, including CCP Games, and even give how it should be properly fixed.
And it's from Pandemic Legion.
I always knew you guys were on our side :shobon:
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Reilly Duvolle wrote:John Maynard Keynes wrote:This is not a shitposting contest. Please try to write something usefull. Its what Goons do when they run out of arguments. NBD.
Even your arguments were shitposts, nerd. |
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Posted - 2012.03.16 00:05:00 -
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Mittani has mind controlling laser beams.
Vote Lasers, Vote Mittani |
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Reilly Duvolle wrote:Andski wrote:Reilly Duvolle wrote:I'm changing my numbers. This thread isnt 70% sperging Goons. Its 90%. Thats funny, since after all - you have apparently "won" EVE. i think you're the only one sperging here l0l please learn what words mean really? shows how much you understand then.
"I am rubber you're glue; whatever you say bounces off of me and sticks to you" |
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Except it's less rubber and more fat. |
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Reilly Duvolle wrote:Keep sperging, morons. LOL. I'm sure you can fill another 10 pages with useless dribble in 3 more hours. Come on, you know you can do it.
~PuPpEtMaStA~ defense in full swing, I see. |
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THE UNATTAINABLE IS UNKNOWN |
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AT ZOMBO COM |
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Smiling Menace wrote:If they hadn't had a brain meltdown, then Goons would probably sitting on the Jita 4-4 undock ganking noobs and Privateers right about now.
We plan on doing that anyway Soon(tm). |
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Mirmedon wrote:Can blackbirds jam these hideous space dounges yet?
No, because ewar immunity is obviously needed and isn't unbalanced at all because, |
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Posted - 2012.03.16 15:24:00 -
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Avatar = Butte Plug Erebus = Boot Leviathan = Jew Nose Ragnarok = Javelin |
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Aurora B wrote:Nao Oikawasan wrote:At 0800 this morning "Team Tech", who had promised to superblob CFC for control of three moons, instead sat in front of their computers, sobbing and rocking, refusing to login and help the brave few souls who were being slaughtered by the Goons. We know they were in front of their computers because they had all promised to take off of work and do this. A concerned citizen when round to an absent participant's house to make sure he hadn't hurt himself and got no answer, aside from loud crying and a muffled "mummy, mummy, why did they do this? I HATE IT." Has RDN. been broken? Listening to ghetto ***** Vile again?
Considering we have spies in your alliance, we know it's a fact.
But please, deflect away~~ |
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Posted - 2012.03.16 21:49:00 -
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Aurora B wrote:Yes, this thread has brilliant post, not by your side though.
Too bad that Shadoo is right and you're wrong.
In fact, most of the PL posters have been decently levelheaded about it all, while your alliance has done nothing but whine and then send out an alliance wide mail saying to stop posting on your mains.
Heh.
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Posted - 2012.03.17 15:43:00 -
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Posted - 2012.03.17 17:47:00 -
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Dez Affinity wrote:Andski wrote:John Maynard Keynes wrote:words look at this pubbie trash acting like he has a clue For just 5 dollars a month you can get this guy a hobby. MAKE A DIFFERENCE TODAY
or 10bux so he can join the valiant posters on the Something Awful Dot Com forums |
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Posted - 2012.03.17 17:58:00 -
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...2009 :regd09: |
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Posted - 2012.03.17 22:31:00 -
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Hi |
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Posted - 2012.03.18 14:13:00 -
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Slaver9 wrote:what about to let Titans the trackings and just change them in a different way?
For example, make them immun to remote repair and give them more more more EHP @ all - woudn't this be a solution too?
So they can be still on Field and attack subcaps/caps but still have the risk to die if they can't warp out/jump
Except they easily kill the 2 classes of ships that are able to keep them from warping/jumping out.
What I'm saying is: No. |
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