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Franklin D Roosevelt
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.14 13:28:00 -
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CCP Greyscale wrote:Hi everyone, We're not happy with the effectiveness of large groups of titans against subcapital ships, so we're making some adjustments to titans and to XL turrets. This is a quick, surgical adjustment to solve a specific issue we have identified. It's not a general titan balance pass, and we don't consider titans "done" after this change. Titans will require significant further changes, and probably an overall adjustment in role, before they're in a place where we're really happy with them. This will require a reasonably significant amount of work, which we unfortunately don't have the spare resources for right now. In a similar vein, we're not making more extensive balance changes (or addressing this issue in a more technically complex way) because we're allocating the minimum resources needed to resolve the specific issue (titans performing excessively well against subcaps in certain circumstances) satisfactorily. If you have any further questions about this paragraph, please ask away For the immediate future and until such time as we have the resources available to do a comprehensive overhaul, we want to ensure that titans perform decently against other capitals, but do not represent a serious threat to subcaps. We want titans to have clear vulnerabilities, and as much as possible to have them acting in support of the main capital/subcap fleet rather than the other way round. We've already prevented doomsdays from being fired at subcaps, and this adjustment should continue that trend. We have talked to the CSM about this, and we're comfortable going forward with these changes in light of that discussion. I'm not going to put words in their mouths, though. Specific changes being made:XL turret tracking halved, siege module tracking penalty removedThis should generally make titan performance against small targets significantly worse, without seriously impacting their effectiveness against larger targets, or negatively impacting dreadnaughts in their common use-case (ie, in siege mode). Titans reduced to 3 maximum locked targets, and base scan resolution reduced to 5This should make trying to engage smaller targets very inefficient, due to long lock-times and an inability to queue many targets at once. This reinforces the titan's MO as a slow-acting but hard-hitting platform (in line with the doomsday's huge damage and 10 minute RoF). The scan res number is balanced around multiple Cormack's sensor boosters, on the assumption that money is not a limiting factor for titan pilots, and therefore that people will shell out for officer SBs if that lets them continue do this kind of thing. Our understanding is that this isn't standard practice right now, but we have to balance for expected behavior after the change, and for worst-case scenarios. Expected release schedule for these changesThese changes should hit TQ some time in April. If there is a sizable release in April then expect them to turn up then; if not then we'll announce deployment dates for these changes closer to the time. Changes considered and discarded:(I'm expecting at least three people to not read the word "discarded" and make angry posts about something in this section. C'est la vie.)Titans can't lock subcaps at allGuaranteed effective solution, but we considered it too hacky and restrictive. Adding a "minimum sig radius" attribute to turrets, below which damage would fall off regardless of trackingToo big a change and more technical work than we actually needed to solve the problem. Changing the lock time formulaAs it is, the lock time formula doesn't really scale in a nice way between battleships and capitals (the kink in the curve always happens around cruisers regardless of the scan res and sig radius), but again we decided we could solve the issue without resorting to this sort of technical work. Changing XL missiles to matchWhile in a strictly regimented world we ought in principle to nerf XL missiles and remove the penalties from the siege module for them too, in practice they're not actually a problem due to the way missile damage scales against small targets. Leaving them unchanged also serves to differentiate missiles further from turrets, which might make them more useful on capitals under certain circumstances.
A+ troll. |
Franklin D Roosevelt
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.14 13:36:00 -
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Franklin D Roosevelt wrote:
A+ troll.
This just proves that CCP and Goons have a suspicious relationship.
Dear pubbies,
Did you know that former Goonfleet CEO Darius Johnson is now the head of security (CCP Sreegs) and in charge of banning botters? According to their forums, not a single goon was banned during the last banwave. Did you know that CCP Sreegs named his son Alexander after The Mittani and that The MIttani is his child's god father? Can you expect fairness in this situation?? CCP needs to answer about how many goons receive a CCP pay check.
Recently the Eve-O site was redesigned. In completely unrelated news (I SWEAR) Solo Drakban is the goonfleet webmaster and does freelance design work and was recently very busy with a contract.
There is a huge scandal coming that is going to blow T20 out of the water. Look for emails, chatlogs, etc. that prove that CCP devs have been directly helping goons to get anything they want.
When is the last time you asked CCP to change something and got a quick response? Andski of Goonfleet demanded that CCP change their rules about *SCAMMING* using the recruitment channel. One of the only safe places in which people could find a corp. A CCP dev and community moderator responded within 2 hours with a change to the rules. People have been asking for ways to stop non-mutual PVP for years with no response.
All of this is out there and obvious. If you take off your blinders and take a step back you will see the gigantic writing on the wall. |
Franklin D Roosevelt
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.14 13:42:00 -
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Vile rat wrote:Franklin D Roosevelt wrote:Franklin D Roosevelt wrote:
A+ troll.
This just proves that CCP and Goons have a suspicious relationship. Dear pubbies, Did you know that former Goonfleet CEO Darius Johnson is now the head of security (CCP Sreegs) and in charge of banning botters? According to their forums, not a single goon was banned during the last banwave. Did you know that CCP Sreegs named his son Alexander after The Mittani and that The MIttani is his child's god father? Can you expect fairness in this situation?? CCP needs to answer about how many goons receive a CCP pay check. Recently the Eve-O site was redesigned. In completely unrelated news (I SWEAR) Solo Drakban is the goonfleet webmaster and does freelance design work and was recently very busy with a contract. There is a huge scandal coming that is going to blow T20 out of the water. Look for emails, chatlogs, etc. that prove that CCP devs have been directly helping goons to get anything they want. When is the last time you asked CCP to change something and got a quick response? Andski of Goonfleet demanded that CCP change their rules about *SCAMMING* using the recruitment channel. One of the only safe places in which people could find a corp. A CCP dev and community moderator responded within 2 hours with a change to the rules. People have been asking for ways to stop non-mutual PVP for years with no response. All of this is out there and obvious. If you take off your blinders and take a step back you will see the gigantic writing on the wall. Franklin Roosevelt you can't post, you're dead! You can't threaten me. I am reporting you for making threats and even though you are in CSM I will see you banned. |
Franklin D Roosevelt
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.14 13:47:00 -
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Vile rat wrote:Franklin D Roosevelt wrote:Vile rat wrote:Franklin D Roosevelt wrote:Franklin D Roosevelt wrote:
A+ troll.
This just proves that CCP and Goons have a suspicious relationship. Dear pubbies, Did you know that former Goonfleet CEO Darius Johnson is now the head of security (CCP Sreegs) and in charge of banning botters? According to their forums, not a single goon was banned during the last banwave. Did you know that CCP Sreegs named his son Alexander after The Mittani and that The MIttani is his child's god father? Can you expect fairness in this situation?? CCP needs to answer about how many goons receive a CCP pay check. Recently the Eve-O site was redesigned. In completely unrelated news (I SWEAR) Solo Drakban is the goonfleet webmaster and does freelance design work and was recently very busy with a contract. There is a huge scandal coming that is going to blow T20 out of the water. Look for emails, chatlogs, etc. that prove that CCP devs have been directly helping goons to get anything they want. When is the last time you asked CCP to change something and got a quick response? Andski of Goonfleet demanded that CCP change their rules about *SCAMMING* using the recruitment channel. One of the only safe places in which people could find a corp. A CCP dev and community moderator responded within 2 hours with a change to the rules. People have been asking for ways to stop non-mutual PVP for years with no response. All of this is out there and obvious. If you take off your blinders and take a step back you will see the gigantic writing on the wall. Franklin Roosevelt you can't post, you're dead! You can't threaten me. I am reporting you for making threats and even though you are in CSM I will see you banned. Interesting concept, threatening a former president who's been dead since the 1940's. Take that dead guy! Vile rat. It is you. It is you who is the worst GoonFleet poster. |
Franklin D Roosevelt
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.14 13:50:00 -
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CCP Greyscale wrote:Swearte Widfarend wrote:CCP Greyscale wrote:This has never been a stated balance goal in any discussion I've been party to. In particular, predicating "can survive as a small alliance in nullsec" on "can afford a large supercap fleet" would be extremely silly, because it excludes exactly the type of players who we're most keen on being able to maintain small holdings in nullsec, ie newer, poorer players. Now I'm not trying to be a total jerk, but you have never succeeded in this. In addition, if you are actually reading the comments in this thread, you should realize that you are not going to succeed in your newly stated role change for Titans CCP Greyscale wrote:For the immediate future and until such time as we have the resources available to do a comprehensive overhaul, we want to ensure that titans perform decently against other capitals, but do not represent a serious threat to sub caps. Nothing you are doing makes this happen consistently. Signature radius on an MWD Drake or an MWD Maelstrom (the current FOTM fleet ships for the big nullsec alliances fighting Titans right now) is virtually identical to Signature Radius on a Carrier, and the lock time on that ship with your new system is 30+ seconds (not including TiDi). So how is the Titan an anti-Captial ship when a capital can dock/warp/enter shields before a Titan can lock it? Seriously, look at what you are doing and realize that this change does not perform your intended action. I'm not a game designer. I don't know what the answer is. But your actions do not support what you say you want Titans to be doing. All that first quote is saying is that it's never been our intention that you need supers to survive as a small alliance in nullsec. There's a lot of people reading into it a lot of things that aren't actually there. WRT the second point, I would suggest webs (where applicable), dictors/hictors, and not using titans to play docking games. CCP Greyscale.
How much conversation around this change was with the Goon dominated CSM? Did you have any private conversations with Alexander Gianturco about this matter that were not recorded in any CSM minutes?
Have you had drinks with Alexander? Do you socialize with him like many of the CCP devs? Is it unreasonable to ask for a log of all interaction that CSM members have with the devs regarding game mechanics? Social calls? Gifts? I know that Alexander is very generous in his gift givings around Christmas. |
Franklin D Roosevelt
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.14 13:58:00 -
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GeneralDisturbed wrote:It's amusing the pile of people in this thread who ignore all the well-worded arguments to the contrary, and just immediately yell 'CCP just let blobbers win eve" when it's not the case at all. If you can't hold your space without using a group of overpowered ships with no effective counter in the game, something that is against everything eve has ever been about... maybe you shouldn't be holding any space. Has that thought occurred to you?
As for the people who keep posting "Lol blobbers use drake fleet, just orbit the anchor lol" they show their ignorance on the matter of how real large-scale battles in eve are fought. The amount of planning, logistics, strategy, espionage, and luck that goes into winning a battle, shows that numbers are only a small part of any of this. Anybody in this thread posting about how goons have somehow just won eve, because one overpowered ships is getting a nerf it desparetely needs... jusg ignore their posts. Because they have no idea at all about eve, how fights are won, or what really matters to win them.
Yeah nice effort post about Eve-Online. |
Franklin D Roosevelt
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.14 14:05:00 -
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Andski wrote:Hans Roaming wrote:Thanks for confirming my decision not to train for supercaps was a good one CCP.
Why shouldn't Titans be able to hit MWD'ng drakes with sig's the size of moons?
Technology advantage has always been a counter to pure numbers throughout history. Bringing numbers to a fight in Eve has always been a problem compounded by the fact that ships fire magically pass through any non targets in the way without causing damage.
If fleets in large numbers had to actually manoeuvre in order to bring DPS onto a target then the blob would be less advantageous than it would be now. Game balance. Maybe you'd understand the need for it if your PvP experience consisted of something other than nopod ~honour~ matches in hisec.
Andski, have you had social time with Eve devs? Is this why you got the recruitment channel rules changed almost immediately after you demanded it? What is your relationship with CCP beyond just playing the game? |
Franklin D Roosevelt
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.14 14:15:00 -
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Andski wrote:Franklin D Roosevelt wrote:Andski, have you had social time with Eve devs? Is this why you got the recruitment channel rules changed almost immediately after you demanded it? What is your relationship with CCP beyond just playing the game? I had a beer with Soundwave and Greyscale several months back, interestingly enough
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When has the average pubby that has NO access to the devs gotten a response to their requests. This game has two classes. Goons and everyone else. |
Franklin D Roosevelt
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.14 14:20:00 -
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Vile rat wrote: Right there in the beginning of Greyscales post he mentions this is a stopgap cause it is too disruptive and not what they intended at all. They will be redesigning the hull to actually be good at its stated role instead of leaving it broken so it can do everything.
It must be broken completely before it can be fixed. You heard it hear first folks. Straight from the Goon Illuminati's mouth. |
Franklin D Roosevelt
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.14 14:23:00 -
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Sade Onyx wrote:Shouldnt Titans be renamed to Ultra-capitals? or Mega Capitals
The Word 'titan' isnt really an accurate description of what they are.
They should be renamed to space coffins because CCP just made sure that any good PVP alliance will die in them regardless because some goons whined. |
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Franklin D Roosevelt
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.14 14:25:00 -
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Veinnail wrote:dearest CCP.
it is quite obvious over the past years that you've developed quite the gap in your capital ship trees. we need new capital ship classes. fill the void between dread-titan. I personally agree that titans are imbalanced, this is quite the heavy handed correction though.
make XXL turrets. and these XXL turrets will have the anti-capital attributes that you require without affecting the functionality of dreads. this will leave you plenty of breathing room for expansion in the capital ship trees, and even maybe the introduction of the XL control tower.
I have been giving a lot of thought to the EVE ONLINE game mechanics and I agree 100% with this man. There should be a T2 titan class as well that is able to fit even larger turrets. It also seems like there should be a titan equivalent carrier that fields BS ship sized drones. Also a mining titan. |
Franklin D Roosevelt
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.14 14:29:00 -
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Vile rat wrote:Franklin D Roosevelt wrote:Vile rat wrote: Right there in the beginning of Greyscales post he mentions this is a stopgap cause it is too disruptive and not what they intended at all. They will be redesigning the hull to actually be good at its stated role instead of leaving it broken so it can do everything.
It must be broken completely before it can be fixed. You heard it hear first folks. Straight from the Goon Illuminati's mouth. Look at the cute lil' newbie corp alt. Just wanna pat your head son.
Just because I never paid 10 dollars to post in a forum in order to fly internet spaceships doesn't make me less of a subscriber to Eve. I don't need to join a corp in order to enjoy this game. I have seen your dumb tattoo so you have no grounds making fun of me. |
Franklin D Roosevelt
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.14 14:35:00 -
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Valearx wrote:Tobruk wrote:
we should just get rid of all spaceship classes and have pods. whoever brings more wins.
Please continue, your high-pitched squeals of indignation are ******* musical.
Goons have no class. They are like kindergarteners that get a chance to be cruel to other nicer little kids just because the other kid peed himself by accident in front of the class. |
Franklin D Roosevelt
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.14 14:51:00 -
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The Mittani wrote:Strange bedfellows. I was among the most vocal in criticizing Greyscale for not consulting with the CSM about the anomaly nerf, and yet here I see him slandered by a legion of altposters from RDN and NCdot for 'not consulting' when he actually did.
In this case, the CSM was consulted and the solutions were discussed at length; it just happens that the non-PL representatives who participated in the discussion (most of the CSM) supported these changes to a man. I'm delighted to have all of you point your fingers at me and Vile Rat and howl about ~goon conspiracies~, though.
The hard fact is that Titan pilots are .3% of player population, Titans shouldn't be able to impact subcaps, and everyone - except for PL's reps on the council - agrees that this needs to happen.
Anyway, Greyscale has clearly learned from the Anomaly nerf; not only did Anoms get un-nerfed a bit later in response to criticism, he's consulted fully and at length with the CSM on this issue.
Can you please explain to the Eve-O community why you have such a close relationship with so many CCP devs? Do you socialize with them outside of your CSM role? Do you have drinks with them? How many CCP devs personal phone numbers do you have?
Do you receive any compensation from CCP?
Any comment as to why goons have a secret convention planned immediately after the Las Vegas event that has a large number of CCP devs coming to be wined and dined? |
Franklin D Roosevelt
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.14 15:37:00 -
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Gertrud ToD wrote:GeneralDisturbed wrote: That's very interesting, considering the largest fight I've been present in, in eve, was the recent fight over our old homeland with the russians. And that involved most every major alliance in the game sending fleets. And local barely hit 2000. Considering goons were only a small part of that fight, I'm not sure where our other 7500 are hiding, but I'd love to know.
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/memberCount I am pretty sure that most of those numbers are from a concerted effort to scam the CSM election this time around. |
Franklin D Roosevelt
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.15 20:14:00 -
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Ntrails wrote: There were three good posts in this thread. Three
This wouldn't be a bad ratio in a traditional 100 page eve-o thread, but around 25 of those pages are goon posts and only one of the three good posts was by them. And one of the others came from PL.
Elite posting? I think not.
I am pretty sure that all of my posts were good. Sorry. I know that goons might find them offensive but that is to be expected. |
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