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Roffle Lawler
Elitist Oops
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Posted - 2012.03.14 04:06:00 -
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Andski wrote:PL 2012: whines about hardly being able to muster 200 dudes, brags about having 400 supers
 
i think this sums up this thread well. |

Truce Billis
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.03.14 04:07:00 -
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Surge Roth wrote:Andski wrote:Surge Roth wrote:Posting with mains doesn't give anyone more credibility. Especially in a video game. I prefer to keep my "main" out of these activities because I know the kind of sociopaths that play this game. Never mind the fact my peers may think I might be giving them a bad rep. Keep assuming things though. It brings a smile to my face when you guys are wrong. "I make bad posts, I don't want my scrubcorp to realize that I'm an awful poster" I'm not a bad poster. Talking about controversial topics always makes people uncomfortable. Fortunately for you, you don't have to worry about such things because goonswarm is filled with scrublord hooligans who don't care about anything. lol |

Courthouse
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
178
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Posted - 2012.03.14 04:12:00 -
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Surge Roth wrote:[I'm not a bad poster.
Remember the first episode of Sherlock where the cops are holding the news conference and they state a fact and all the press guys in the room get a text at the same time that says "wrong".
Imagine that's happening right now because that's what the rest of us are seeing. |

Anela Cistine
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
130
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Posted - 2012.03.14 04:13:00 -
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Tithi wrote:
Honestly I think it is great what you guys do for the game. I am totally in agreement with 99% of the Goons in this thread, I just think that we should be careful that we don't change Eve from "50 Supercaps Online" to "1200 Maelstroms Online." CCP's goal seems to be for alliances to have to field balanced heterogeneous fleets with no single class of ship being the IWIN button. I love this and I hope they someday get it right.
My original question was, "What capital ship is good for killing subcaps?" Two people answered, one said "bring subcaps" and the other just called me an idiot for being in RvB. Neither of these really answers my question. I may be alone here, but I think there should be a capitol ship designed for fighting downward so that we don't have to counter X maelstroms with X+1 maelstroms and we're back where we started.
You guys see what I mean, though, right? I think both sides when they aren't slinging internet insults at each other have some decent points and we should actually have a discussion instead of just calling everyone "pubbies" and ****.
Yeah, I can see that.
Something to remember is that in 0.0 shooting structures is both vital and horrible. So horrible. Caps are the best thing ever for shooting (or repping) structures. Shooting structures, even just towers, with drakes is terrible. Maelstroms are not much better. The only subcaps not completely terrible for structure shoots are lasers with t1 crystals, so you can just press f1 and then tab out until the FC shouts out new orders, but allowing you to ignore the game you are supposedly playing isn't really a point in their favour.
A handful of supercarriers can defang a death star in a few minutes. A fairly small group of dreads can kill most structures in a single seige cycle. Likewise, trying to repair your own tower is infinitely faster with carriers than with a similar number of logistics ships. Without capitals the Dominion sov system would be completely unplayable rather than merely awful.
Aside from structures, dreads ought to be able to hurt BS and huge-sig drakes. They shouldn't hurt smaller subcaps, but it would be completely reasonable for them to be a BS counter. I'm not sure if they can do this right now, I don't fly them and I haven't seen them on the field shooting anything but undefended structures in a long time. Carriers can certainly contribute to subcap battle by assigning fighters, I love it when carriers assign fighters. They aren't solo pwnmobiles, but carriers have a nice combination of skills that makes them really useful in all sorts of situations. |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2788
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Posted - 2012.03.14 04:14:00 -
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this thread has been my plaything for 64 pages
alas, friends, i cannot continue as I must catch some sleep
(dance, puppets) "WeGGVre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |

Roffle Lawler
Elitist Oops
0
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Posted - 2012.03.14 04:25:00 -
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Roffle Lawler wrote:Andski wrote:PL 2012: whines about hardly being able to muster 200 dudes, brags about having 400 supers   i think this sums up this thread well.
And i ****** up the snipe too, shameful. It has taken me literally all day to get ahead of this thread and, quite frankly, I want my time back. |

Spurty
D00M. Northern Coalition.
225
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Posted - 2012.03.14 04:47:00 -
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Titans no longer FOTM shocker.
New FOTM, bring x 3 to x 5 the number of ships to every fight.
Can we please get hit points on ALL ships 1/2'ed or even dropped to 1/3 now (don't change anything else!)
Feel free to balance this by increasing structure hitpoints.
Happy days :-0 ---- CONCORD arrested two n00bs yesterday, one was drinking battery acid, the other was eating fireworks. They charged one and let the other one off. |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2811
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Posted - 2012.03.14 04:50:00 -
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Spurty wrote:Titans no longer FOTM shocker.
New FOTM, bring x 3 to x 5 the number of ships to every fight.
Can we please get hit points on ALL ships 1/2'ed or even dropped to 1/3 now (don't change anything else!)
Feel free to balance this by increasing structure hitpoints.
Happy days :-0
nah the new FOTM is "join ncdot and moan about your titan being nerfed"
i mean you wouldn't have to worry about that, you're definitely not an FOTM chaser, right? "WeGGVre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |

Powers Sa
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
11
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Posted - 2012.03.14 04:50:00 -
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Ruthless Erection wrote:Andski wrote:Loving this. You would because you're a ****** Goon. Your sole purpose in EVE is to destroy it CCP, this is a terrible idea. There are so many other ways you could balance titans But if you insist upon this ******** "balancing", bring AoE Doomsday back then We have TiDi, AoE doomsday won't be nearly as bad as it used to be But I'm beginning to think that CCP no longer runs this game, and that Goons dictate what they want to happen, and it does. -A- cried about Doomsdaying of sub-capitals, BAM. No more doomsdaying sub-caps. Goons are crying about titans, and their "OPness", BAM. Titans get "nerfed" First observation, Goons have more titans/supers than all of Raiden, PL, NCdot, and other alliances, put together. They CHOOSE to not use them, so why must you punish those who do use them You've removed drone bays, you've removed sub-cap doomsday'ing, and now you're removing their ONLY line of defense. Think hard before you reply CCP, we're beginning to think you're incompetent in developing & balancing this game further. sup riverini |

BrokenBC
Incompertus INC Fatal Ascension
22
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Posted - 2012.03.14 04:51:00 -
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holy F*ck.Im sick of hearing about this mythical number 1200.BR or it didn't happen. Especially 1200 maelstroms. The cfc may pull 1200 for a mad all out HD fleet,or possibly the opening night of an invasion that also happened to coincide with a holiday.Other than That I call bullsh*t.So again battle reports or it isn't happening! |
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1853
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Posted - 2012.03.14 04:53:00 -
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Powers Sa wrote:Ruthless Erection wrote:Andski wrote:Loving this. You would because you're a ****** Goon. Your sole purpose in EVE is to destroy it CCP, this is a terrible idea. There are so many other ways you could balance titans But if you insist upon this ******** "balancing", bring AoE Doomsday back then We have TiDi, AoE doomsday won't be nearly as bad as it used to be But I'm beginning to think that CCP no longer runs this game, and that Goons dictate what they want to happen, and it does. -A- cried about Doomsdaying of sub-capitals, BAM. No more doomsdaying sub-caps. Goons are crying about titans, and their "OPness", BAM. Titans get "nerfed" First observation, Goons have more titans/supers than all of Raiden, PL, NCdot, and other alliances, put together. They CHOOSE to not use them, so why must you punish those who do use them You've removed drone bays, you've removed sub-cap doomsday'ing, and now you're removing their ONLY line of defense. Think hard before you reply CCP, we're beginning to think you're incompetent in developing & balancing this game further. sup riverini
That post was way, way too well written to be from Riverini.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1853
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Posted - 2012.03.14 04:55:00 -
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BrokenBC wrote:holy F*ck.Im sick of hearing about this mythical number 1200.BR or it didn't happen. Especially 1200 maelstroms. The cfc may pull 1200 for a mad all out HD fleet,or possibly the opening night of an invasion that also happened to coincide with a holiday.Other than That I call bullsh*t.So again battle reports or it isn't happening!
I've been in Goonwaffe for two years. I can count on one hand the times we've (the CFC) had 1200 people in subcaps. People talking like we do that on a regular basis are dumb. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Aloe Cloveris
The Greater Goon Clockwork Pineapple
86
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Posted - 2012.03.14 04:55:00 -
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Oh man all these posts ... it's like blowjobs but for my retinas |

Sir Marksalot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
26
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Posted - 2012.03.14 05:00:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Powers Sa wrote:Ruthless Erection wrote:Andski wrote:Loving this. You would because you're a ****** Goon. Your sole purpose in EVE is to destroy it CCP, this is a terrible idea. There are so many other ways you could balance titans But if you insist upon this ******** "balancing", bring AoE Doomsday back then We have TiDi, AoE doomsday won't be nearly as bad as it used to be But I'm beginning to think that CCP no longer runs this game, and that Goons dictate what they want to happen, and it does. -A- cried about Doomsdaying of sub-capitals, BAM. No more doomsdaying sub-caps. Goons are crying about titans, and their "OPness", BAM. Titans get "nerfed" First observation, Goons have more titans/supers than all of Raiden, PL, NCdot, and other alliances, put together. They CHOOSE to not use them, so why must you punish those who do use them You've removed drone bays, you've removed sub-cap doomsday'ing, and now you're removing their ONLY line of defense. Think hard before you reply CCP, we're beginning to think you're incompetent in developing & balancing this game further. sup riverini That post was way, way too well written to be from Riverini.
maybe some other absolutely terrible csm wannabie |

Crystal Wolf
Invision Hosting Invision Group
2
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Posted - 2012.03.14 05:01:00 -
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I think the opportunity to even post intelligent stuff in this thread is gone but here goes
With regards to the nerf i agree with the tracking nerf something did need to be done there even if it was just a temporary measure. However the targeting nerf is ridiculous
As a person who has been on both sides of a titan fight i can understand why people are whining however this nerf appears to be incredibly short sighted
CCP have thought about how to balance titans to what they believe is an acceptable level but they have failed to take into account how this affects the game as a whole. Titans do need a clearly defined role however CCP have just nuked titans because they claim they don't have the resources to do an overhaul so they slapped something together and just put it in a forum post
Titans will loose their place as an endgame piece of equipment because dreads will be just as effective and cheaper to field what alliance is going to waste time expanding their titan fleet when all they become is a massive jump bridge with a DD
For those who say titan pilots are complaining too much you have to understand that titans don't just grow on trees for some people. For those who aren't in larger alliances or those who don't have tech money it actually does take time and effort to build a titan
From a political standpoint CCP are effectively changing the balance of power towards alliances who can just field hundreds of subcaps. The alliances who rely on supers to augment their fleet strength have been forgotten and just pushed aside. This change definitely needs to go back to the drawing board and CCP need to take factors like this into account. Invision Hosting - Providing Quality service solutions Forum Topic: Here |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
225
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Posted - 2012.03.14 05:04:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:BrokenBC wrote:holy F*ck.Im sick of hearing about this mythical number 1200.BR or it didn't happen. Especially 1200 maelstroms. The cfc may pull 1200 for a mad all out HD fleet,or possibly the opening night of an invasion that also happened to coincide with a holiday.Other than That I call bullsh*t.So again battle reports or it isn't happening! I've been in Goonwaffe for two years. I can count on one hand the times we've (the CFC) had 1200 people in subcaps. People talking like we do that on a regular basis are dumb. No, I think it was the time we had like 300 people and we died and reshipped 3 times so we lost like 1200 ships, if it was maels, it would be like the start of the recent war before we started drakes?
I think the idea of people taking out their fourth ship and jumping in to probably die is offensive to more k/d or isk efficiency minded people. Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |

BrokenBC
Incompertus INC Fatal Ascension
22
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Posted - 2012.03.14 05:08:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote:Machine Delta wrote: You might not be keen on the idea of using more than one ship type in a fleet but there are things called covops, interdictors, and a thing called probing. If you use those with 200 bombers then yeah you could whittle down a 1200 man fleet or marginalize it from its strategic objectives fairly easily. It's painful to see you try so hard here. You should really step away from the keyboard before you admit to wanting to RMT your titan on these forums in addition to the ones you already have cried on.
1) Ive said my titan will be fine and will function the same as it does now, with a slight delay before the damage hits. Can you identify me saying that I'm RMTing MY titan? 2) If you had 200 bombers, and were facing 1200 guys, how do you propose you talk those 1200 guys into being somewhere bombable??
then why all the cryng? the titan will still be you personal blap machine and all is well. |

Sirhan Blixt
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
49
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Posted - 2012.03.14 05:12:00 -
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Surge Roth wrote:I'm not posting like an autistic manchild. I'm simply observing how you guys can claim that such a terrible change is 'balance' while stlying all over you.
"Pay no attention to Surge Roth, he is an idiot. We trained him wrong as a joke." |

Triskian
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
73
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Posted - 2012.03.14 05:12:00 -
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Aloe Cloveris wrote:Oh man all these posts ... it's like blowjobs but for my retinas
Awww hell. Who invited Groon to the party? That guy always double-dips and eats all the little weiners. |

Clyde ElectraGlide
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
60
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Posted - 2012.03.14 05:16:00 -
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So...
Titan's aren't able to blap subcaps anymore, relieving the need for people to get the notion that you need to have a character skilled in some kind of capship combat to help your alliance in null-sec fights. Thereby helping and encouraging newbies to get out into nullsec and actually make a difference despite the fact that a drake or a maelstrom may be the best ship they can fly at that point.
I don't see a problem with this change. It helps newbies get out there and make a difference. How is that a bad thing? Fix incursions today! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=60460 |
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2821
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Posted - 2012.03.14 05:16:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote:MY titan
"WeGGVre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |

Kerensky White
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4
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Posted - 2012.03.14 05:20:00 -
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Clyde ElectraGlide wrote:So...
Titan's aren't able to blap subcaps anymore, relieving the need for people to get the notion that you need to have a character skilled in some kind of capship combat to help your alliance in null-sec fights. Thereby helping and encouraging newbies to get out into nullsec and actually make a difference despite the fact that a drake or a maelstrom may be the best ship they can fly at that point.
I don't see a problem with this change. It helps newbies get out there and make a difference. How is that a bad thing?
In a world where 70m skillpoints aren't required, anyone can shoot a goon. I think I'll go shoot some right now.
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Triskian
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
74
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Posted - 2012.03.14 05:21:00 -
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Kerensky White wrote:Clyde ElectraGlide wrote:So...
Titan's aren't able to blap subcaps anymore, relieving the need for people to get the notion that you need to have a character skilled in some kind of capship combat to help your alliance in null-sec fights. Thereby helping and encouraging newbies to get out into nullsec and actually make a difference despite the fact that a drake or a maelstrom may be the best ship they can fly at that point.
I don't see a problem with this change. It helps newbies get out there and make a difference. How is that a bad thing? In a world where 70m skillpoints aren't required, anyone can shoot a goon. I think I'll go shoot some right now.
I shall join you in this quest to shoot goons. |

BrokenBC
Incompertus INC Fatal Ascension
22
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Posted - 2012.03.14 05:22:00 -
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Triskian wrote:Kerensky White wrote:Clyde ElectraGlide wrote:So...
Titan's aren't able to blap subcaps anymore, relieving the need for people to get the notion that you need to have a character skilled in some kind of capship combat to help your alliance in null-sec fights. Thereby helping and encouraging newbies to get out into nullsec and actually make a difference despite the fact that a drake or a maelstrom may be the best ship they can fly at that point.
I don't see a problem with this change. It helps newbies get out there and make a difference. How is that a bad thing? In a world where 70m skillpoints aren't required, anyone can shoot a goon. I think I'll go shoot some right now. I shall join you in this quest to shoot goons.
FA shot first! |

Acwron
Meet The Fockers Vera Cruz Alliance
15
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Posted - 2012.03.14 05:29:00 -
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I see a quick solution :
All should ally against goons and wipe them off Eve map. We have 1 month, maybe less. Titan blob them until we hear mittani and his sheep crying for mercy. |

Kerensky White
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4
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Posted - 2012.03.14 05:34:00 -
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Acwron wrote:sheep crying for mercy.
Is that you outside my bedroom door? 
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2821
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Posted - 2012.03.14 05:35:00 -
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Acwron wrote:I see a quick solution :
All should ally against goons and wipe them off Eve map. We have 1 month, maybe less. Titan blob them until we hear mittani and his sheep crying for mercy.
I think you're going to have your hands full soon heh "WeGGVre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |

Marlona Sky
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
582
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Posted - 2012.03.14 05:39:00 -
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Christ this thread is still going? It is the same 3-5 **** posters for the last 20 pages. CCP please moderate this thread already.
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Hotaru Yamato
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
24
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Posted - 2012.03.14 05:39:00 -
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I like these changes. |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2824
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Posted - 2012.03.14 05:40:00 -
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Marlona Sky wrote:Christ this thread is still going? It is the same 3-5 **** posters for the last 20 pages. CCP please moderate this thread already.
Why? They'll remove a lot of the titan pilot tears which deserve preservation. "WeGGVre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
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