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Le Cardinal
Spricer Raiden.
2
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Posted - 2012.03.14 14:37:00 -
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Andski wrote:Le Cardinal wrote:Cut the crap will you. This adjustment is a shortterm solution to stagger the whining of all the goons whom are unable to think outside the Alphadoctrine box. PL and RDN have given them easy solutions on how to kill titans. And yet they keep throwing drakes and maelstroms at the titans. So they go to devs and ask for help. And how surprising is it that CCP yet again does a half-assed hotifx that gimps the titans ability to work properly against anything. By the time you manage to clean your brown nose, goons will infact reach many of their objectives through sheer numbers. Nothing else will matter.
And again you prove that your "humble" attitude last year is worth nothing to those whom can actually fly supercaps as long as the voices from those who cant be arsed to get one is heard. RDN does not give out supercaps to its members. Losses are reimbursed however.
So basically you are shafting the people who has been working their arses off to achieve these ships. Yes im a bit pissed. Not because this patch affect us quite much, but because devs let goons control their game. it's not like this change should come at a surprise /maybe/ basing your entire alliance around the concept of dogpiling all the high-skillpoint bittervets you can hoover up and ushering them into titans wasn't the most optimal plan also - your alliance doesn't get its members into titans? yet you criticize GSF for not doing the same, while we heavily subsidize members who buy them? tell me all about how it's our tech income that gets RMTed.
A change is needed indeed, but this is as i said, an half arsed attempt to stagger your whining until they manage to think out a new function for them. And we all know CCPs ability to fix things properly. My alliances members get themselves into titans by working for it. Your alliance dont encourage your members to be competitive in anything else than drakes and maelstroms. You have the funds, and ability to reimburse losses, if you just used them. Instead you turn to the devs and cry.
Fyi, you dont need to be so highskilled in order to fly a titan. Training for maelstroms and drakes goes pretty fast. How about training a second account for supercaps, or even use an alt on same account. After all you have "bittervets" in goons as well, and since your recruiting everyone and their mother you should be able to muster a decent supportfleet along with supercaps. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2870
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Posted - 2012.03.14 14:38:00 -
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John Maynard Keynes wrote:Andski wrote:John Maynard Keynes wrote:Dear very important space ship personality,
the main purpose of AE DD was obviously to kill subcaps in large numbers. The main purpose of focused DD was clearly to be able to kill every ship with one shot (including subcaps).
So as you can see the idea that supercaps should be a pure anti-capital weapon is rather new.
However, I do like that this was changed and do think that supercaps still need balancing. Making them useless is not the solution though.
Yes they should revert titans to the way they were originally added, AoE doomsdays coming through a kestrel cyno sad lil pubbie You can read reight? Made it bold for you... John Maynard Keynes wrote: However, I do like that this was changed and do think that supercaps still need balancing. Making them useless is not the solution though.
You're insisting that the way to balance supers is to make sure they can blap subcaps with impunity because that was their original intent, in 2005, when it was assumed they'd be rare. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2870
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Posted - 2012.03.14 14:40:00 -
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Le Cardinal wrote:A change is needed indeed, but this is as i said, an half arsed attempt to stagger your whining until they manage to think out a new function for them. And we all know CCPs ability to fix things properly. My alliances members get themselves into titans by working for it. Your alliance dont encourage your members to be competitive in anything else than drakes and maelstroms. You have the funds, and ability to reimburse losses, if you just used them. Instead you turn to the devs and cry.
Fyi, you dont need to be so highskilled in order to fly a titan. Training for maelstroms and drakes goes pretty fast. How about training a second account for supercaps, or even use an alt on same account. After all you have "bittervets" in goons as well, and since your recruiting everyone and their mother you should be able to muster a decent supportfleet along with supercaps.
we actually do reimburse titans and supercarriers, oops
get better spies bro, should be easy since we recruit everyone and their mother right??? "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
GeneralDisturbed
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
47
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Posted - 2012.03.14 14:41:00 -
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Roime wrote:As a general note an adjustment that benefits a single entity over others isn't probably a "balancing" adjustment at all. Why only Goonswarm members are gloating happy about this change, and everyone else in null seems to be butthurt as hell? Maybe needs some more thinking, imo, just by looking at the reactions. Quote:If 1600 people show up to take someone's space, and they can only field 200 guys, then THEY DO NOT DESERVE THAT SPACE. This is how the world works. You should not magically be allowed to pick space and control it because you can stick 50 guys into a super ship, and stand it up to 1600 people. Why should 1600 be the magic win button? It would be cool to play a game where the better pilots win, you know, a bit like it is in small gang combat.
Better pilots already win. As it's already been stated -and ignored- by Pl/raiden in this topic again and again, numbers aren't the issue here they are desperately trying to make it out to be. Those 1600 people don't exist. The people fighting goons consistently bring the same number of pilots as us. The only difference is when that doesn't work, they drop invincible ships to win the battle. This is not world of warcraft. Paying a little more for a ship, or having a few more skillpoints than a guy, should not make you invincible. A small gang of well flown ships can wipe out larger battleship gangs. I've seen it happen in blackops. A small fleet of well flown battleships can wipe out a larger fleet. You know what wipes out a titan fleet? MORE TITANS. You know what a small alliance wanting to move into 0.0 space to hold a small area can bring to fight those titans? NOTHING. So you either join a titan heavy alliance, or you just don't live in 0.0.
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Dez Affinity
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
41
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Posted - 2012.03.14 14:41:00 -
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Andski wrote:Hannott Thanos wrote:Andski wrote:Hannott Thanos wrote:This is bullsh!t and you all know it. A titan should be able to track all ships. It's biggest, therefore it has to be best.
-- Sincerely, Death Star. nope sincerely, me Someone did not get the joke? :) i have a hangover so yeah i kinda missed it
Sat on eve-o drinkin' beer, posting on forums
we got a badass over here
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Castelo Selva
Forcas armadas Moon Warriors
0
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Posted - 2012.03.14 14:41:00 -
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Shadoo wrote: ... I personally btw I've argued for the last 4 years that titans should NOT be a combat ship at all, but rather a massive alliance level asset for logistics/cloning/staging/etc ...
^^^^ THIS!!
Please CCP listem this man. Please CSM listem this man. Please CSM make CCP listem this man.
Really this is the big solution to titans. That are the way it should be at fist. Just thik about a litle bit and you will see it. Of course that will be a OMG ragequit reaction, but this is the right thing to do to make the game better.
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Red Templar
Raging Ducks Goonswarm Federation
169
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Posted - 2012.03.14 14:42:00 -
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Roime wrote:As a general note an adjustment that benefits a single entity over others isn't probably a "balancing" adjustment at all.
Why only Goonswarm members are gloating happy about this change, and everyone else in null seems to be butthurt as hell?
Maybe needs some more thinking, imo, just by looking at the reactions.
Why are you ignoring other people opinions? I have seen plenty of people in this thread who support this change and who is not in goonswarm. Both from null-sec alliances and not. Even some players who are affected by this change (raiden/pl/whatever) agree that titans are unbalanced and need changes, though they disagree with this specific solution.
If you choose to ignore everyone else and only see goons... well, its your choice, but no amount of thinking will help you in that case. For Love. For Peace. For Honor.
For None of the Above.
For Pony! |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2870
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Posted - 2012.03.14 14:43:00 -
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Dez Affinity wrote:Sat on eve-o drinkin' beer, posting on forums
we got a badass over here
hey which titan do you have and how do you feel about being hazed with a pos ornament?????
lmao "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
John Maynard Keynes
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
18
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Posted - 2012.03.14 14:44:00 -
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Vile rat wrote:[quote=John Maynard Keynes]
Right there in the beginning of Greyscales post he mentions this is a stopgap cause it is too disruptive and not what they intended at all. They will be redesigning the hull to actually be good at its stated role instead of leaving it broken so it can do everything.
Please be honest,
many people consider artillery to be broken (especially people who get ganked in high-sec). What would be your reaction if CCP says: "We think artillery doesn't work the way it should, we will thus reduce its falloff by 50% as well as its alpha. This is not the final solution and we don't like it but atm the moment we don't have the ressources to fix it properly. And until we find ressources to deal with it --> go and **** yourselfes"
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Valearx
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
47
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Posted - 2012.03.14 14:44:00 -
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Franklin D Roosevelt wrote:Valearx wrote:Tobruk wrote:
we should just get rid of all spaceship classes and have pods. whoever brings more wins.
Please continue, your high-pitched squeals of indignation are ******* musical. Goons have no class. They are like kindergarteners that get a chance to be cruel to other nicer little kids just because the other kid peed himself by accident in front of the class.
Hey, I just call them as I see them vOv
And what I see here are some quite clearly very grounded folks getting extremely mad because someone's changing their internet spaceships |
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The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5901
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Posted - 2012.03.14 14:44:00 -
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Strange bedfellows. I was among the most vocal in criticizing Greyscale for not consulting with the CSM about the anomaly nerf, and yet here I see him slandered by a legion of altposters from RDN and NCdot for 'not consulting' when he actually did.
In this case, the CSM was consulted and the solutions were discussed at length; it just happens that the non-PL representatives who participated in the discussion (most of the CSM) supported these changes to a man. I'm delighted to have all of you point your fingers at me and Vile Rat and howl about ~goon conspiracies~, though.
The hard fact is that Titan pilots are .3% of player population, Titans shouldn't be able to impact subcaps, and everyone - except for PL's reps on the council - agrees that this needs to happen.
Anyway, Greyscale has clearly learned from the Anomaly nerf; not only did Anoms get un-nerfed a bit later in response to criticism, he's consulted fully and at length with the CSM on this issue. The Mittani, CSM7: Vote Here - One EVE. One Vote. One Chairman
The Office of the Chairman: A Thread for Constituent Issues |
Veinnail
FinFleet Raiden.
5
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Posted - 2012.03.14 14:44:00 -
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Franklin D Roosevelt wrote:Veinnail wrote:dearest CCP.
it is quite obvious over the past years that you've developed quite the gap in your capital ship trees. we need new capital ship classes. fill the void between dread-titan. I personally agree that titans are imbalanced, this is quite the heavy handed correction though.
make XXL turrets. and these XXL turrets will have the anti-capital attributes that you require without affecting the functionality of dreads. this will leave you plenty of breathing room for expansion in the capital ship trees, and even maybe the introduction of the XL control tower. I have been giving a lot of thought to the EVE ONLINE game mechanics and I agree 100% with this man. There should be a T2 titan class as well that is able to fit even larger turrets. It also seems like there should be a titan equivalent carrier that fields BS ship sized drones. Also a mining titan.
no, the Current titans would be upped to XXL turrets, with proper specs for the role. and signature resolution to match |
Le Cardinal
Spricer Raiden.
2
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Posted - 2012.03.14 14:45:00 -
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Andski wrote:Dez Affinity wrote:Sat on eve-o drinkin' beer, posting on forums
we got a badass over here
hey which titan do you have and how do you feel about being hazed with a pos ornament????? lmao
Seriously. half of the posts in this thread is yours. Do you even have a life? |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2680
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Posted - 2012.03.14 14:45:00 -
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John Maynard Keynes wrote:Vile rat wrote:[quote=John Maynard Keynes]
Right there in the beginning of Greyscales post he mentions this is a stopgap cause it is too disruptive and not what they intended at all. They will be redesigning the hull to actually be good at its stated role instead of leaving it broken so it can do everything. Please be honest, many people consider artillery to be broken (especially people who get ganked in high-sec). What would be your reaction if CCP says: "We think artillery doesn't work the way it should, we will thus reduce its falloff by 50% as well as its alpha. This is not the final solution and we don't like it but atm the moment we don't have the ressources to fix it properly. And until we find ressources to deal with it --> go and **** yourselfes" we'd deal because we're not cripples who rely on a broken game mechanic for relevance |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2872
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Posted - 2012.03.14 14:45:00 -
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John Maynard Keynes wrote:Please be honest,
many people consider artillery to be broken (especially people who get ganked in high-sec). What would be your reaction if CCP says: "We think artillery doesn't work the way it should, we will thus reduce its falloff by 50% as well as its alpha. This is not the final solution and we don't like it but atm the moment we don't have the ressources to fix it properly. And until we find ressources to deal with it --> go and **** yourselfes"
oh no our battleships got nerfed we might have to fly one of the other 30 hulls that can take their place "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Dez Affinity
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
41
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Posted - 2012.03.14 14:46:00 -
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Andski wrote:Dez Affinity wrote:Sat on eve-o drinkin' beer, posting on forums
we got a badass over here
hey which titan do you have and how do you feel about being hazed with a pos ornament????? lmao
none
lmao |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2872
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Posted - 2012.03.14 14:47:00 -
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Le Cardinal wrote:Seriously. half of the posts in this thread is yours. Do you even have a life?
look at you going all ad hominem because you totally have a life mister "i spent months ratting to buy my titan" lmao "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Vile rat
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
966
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Posted - 2012.03.14 14:49:00 -
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John Maynard Keynes wrote:
Please be honest,
many people consider artillery to be broken (especially people who get ganked in high-sec). What would be your reaction if CCP says: "We think artillery doesn't work the way it should, we will thus reduce its falloff by 50% as well as its alpha. This is not the final solution and we don't like it but atm the moment we don't have the ressources to fix it properly. And until we find ressources to deal with it --> go and **** yourselfes"
I'd say simply "Ok, we'll adapt".
We're not wed to one hull class to be successful in this game.
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Le Cardinal
Spricer Raiden.
2
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Posted - 2012.03.14 14:51:00 -
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Andski wrote:Le Cardinal wrote:Seriously. half of the posts in this thread is yours. Do you even have a life? look at you going all ad hominem because you totally have a life mister "i spent months ratting to buy my titan" lmao
I dont have a titan |
Franklin D Roosevelt
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
88
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Posted - 2012.03.14 14:51:00 -
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The Mittani wrote:Strange bedfellows. I was among the most vocal in criticizing Greyscale for not consulting with the CSM about the anomaly nerf, and yet here I see him slandered by a legion of altposters from RDN and NCdot for 'not consulting' when he actually did.
In this case, the CSM was consulted and the solutions were discussed at length; it just happens that the non-PL representatives who participated in the discussion (most of the CSM) supported these changes to a man. I'm delighted to have all of you point your fingers at me and Vile Rat and howl about ~goon conspiracies~, though.
The hard fact is that Titan pilots are .3% of player population, Titans shouldn't be able to impact subcaps, and everyone - except for PL's reps on the council - agrees that this needs to happen.
Anyway, Greyscale has clearly learned from the Anomaly nerf; not only did Anoms get un-nerfed a bit later in response to criticism, he's consulted fully and at length with the CSM on this issue.
Can you please explain to the Eve-O community why you have such a close relationship with so many CCP devs? Do you socialize with them outside of your CSM role? Do you have drinks with them? How many CCP devs personal phone numbers do you have?
Do you receive any compensation from CCP?
Any comment as to why goons have a secret convention planned immediately after the Las Vegas event that has a large number of CCP devs coming to be wined and dined? |
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Rachael Tyrelll
Dynatech Intergalactical Trading Ltd.
3
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Posted - 2012.03.14 14:52:00 -
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Okok, guys I see what you did there ...
You are just winning eve by successfully infiltrating CCP ... good job goons
So I guess it will get boring soon in the donut :)
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Variable1
FinFleet Raiden.
4
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Posted - 2012.03.14 14:52:00 -
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CCP Soundwave wrote:
We're absolutely listening. The changes in the OP are still subject to change if we get feedback on how to achieve our goal better.
Ok. Listen please.
If you want to change the Titan role from subcap blob equaliser to structure bashing cap killers then fine. I can support this. But only if you make other changes that would mean Titans would get to be used in this way.
For example. There is no point in being cap killers if no enemy uses caps. At this time, a 700 bs blob > all, including current Titans and their supposed leetness.
This subcap force can be used against everything, including pos/stations/ihubs - all sov related structure bashing. Why would they use caps in this situation?
My solution would be, sure Titans can't target subcaps at all ! BUT. Subcaps should not be able to target SOV structures. This way people have to balance between subs and caps/supers, and Titans are assured of a place in game.
That seems pretty fair to all?
Tho, I just read that part of your objective is to stop the proliferation of Titans further. If you don't like Titans that much, please just remove them from the game. Give me a break.....
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Vile rat
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
966
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Posted - 2012.03.14 14:52:00 -
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Le Cardinal wrote:Andski wrote:Le Cardinal wrote:Seriously. half of the posts in this thread is yours. Do you even have a life? look at you going all ad hominem because you totally have a life mister "i spent months ratting to buy my titan" lmao I dont have a titan
Check the sell forum, there's some great deals there! |
Triskian
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
82
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Posted - 2012.03.14 14:52:00 -
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Good morning thread. I see some of you have been busy overnight.
Can someone recap the last 11 pages for me please? |
John Maynard Keynes
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
18
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Posted - 2012.03.14 14:54:00 -
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Andski wrote:John Maynard Keynes wrote:Andski wrote:John Maynard Keynes wrote:Dear very important space ship personality,
the main purpose of AE DD was obviously to kill subcaps in large numbers. The main purpose of focused DD was clearly to be able to kill every ship with one shot (including subcaps).
So as you can see the idea that supercaps should be a pure anti-capital weapon is rather new.
However, I do like that this was changed and do think that supercaps still need balancing. Making them useless is not the solution though.
Yes they should revert titans to the way they were originally added, AoE doomsdays coming through a kestrel cyno sad lil pubbie You can read reight? Made it bold for you... John Maynard Keynes wrote: However, I do like that this was changed and do think that supercaps still need balancing. Making them useless is not the solution though.
You're insisting that the way to balance supers is to make sure they can blap subcaps with impunity because that was their original intent, in 2005, when it was assumed they'd be rare.
Nope, Vile Rat said that supercaps were never intended to be effective against subcaps. I said that this is obviously not true. Not more and not less...
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GeneralDisturbed
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
47
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Posted - 2012.03.14 14:54:00 -
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Triskian wrote:Good morning thread. I see some of you have been busy overnight.
Can someone recap the last 11 pages for me please?
PL/Raiden continue to ignore all arguments to the contrary, and keep pretending that they're a battered alliance of 200 desperate people fighting 1600 goons, and the only thing saving them is their not-overpowred titan "equalizers".
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Valearx
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
47
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Posted - 2012.03.14 14:54:00 -
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Triskian wrote:Good morning thread. I see some of you have been busy overnight.
Can someone recap the last 11 pages for me please?
rage |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
190
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Posted - 2012.03.14 14:55:00 -
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honestly Titans should be like battlestars... give them Air Superiorty Fighters... max 10 that are designed to kill other fighters/FB...
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Atrum Veneficus
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
76
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Posted - 2012.03.14 14:57:00 -
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Triskian wrote:Good morning thread. I see some of you have been busy overnight.
Can someone recap the last 11 pages for me please?
It's like your typical Friday morning at the fraternity house. Goonswarm Federation is laying back in bed, arms behind his head in a post-coitus smug, all of his pubbie bros are in the hall outside just waiting for the latest conquest to come out, and NCDOT/RAIDENDOT are in the bedroom putting on last night's soiled party clothes, trying to fix the smeared mascara and tearfully contemplating the forthcoming walk of shame back to empire.
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Acwron
Meet The Fockers Vera Cruz Alliance
16
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Posted - 2012.03.14 14:58:00 -
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GeneralDisturbed wrote:The amount of neutral PL/Raiden alts in this thread, desperately clinging to the entitled notion that they should be allowed to fly around in unkillable ships because they paid a little more isk, is amazing. When every other ship in the game can be killed by subcaps, but you drop titans and suddenly subcaps are meaningless. If 1600 people show up to take someone's space, and they can only field 200 guys, then THEY DO NOT DESERVE THAT SPACE. This is how the world works. You should not magically be allowed to pick space and control it because you can stick 50 guys into a super ship, and stand it up to 1600 people.
OMG, really? You are really, really disturbed son. So we paid a little more iskie...just a little. A LITTLE ? You come with 1600 maels and wanna kill 50 titans?
Man, I'd like to have what this guy smoked, seems to be good shite.
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