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Bagehi
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises Test Alliance Please Ignore
67
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Posted - 2012.03.14 19:22:00 -
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The Mittani wrote:asdf ghyj wrote:Dear CCP if do this nerf then gief back to all pilots titan skills cuz we spend 5 bil for skill and 100 bils = for titan and wasting like 3 month + for make skill AND NOW WE CANT USE THIS SHIP cuz this MITANI not have skill and isk to take titan
MR MITANI go play PREPELIX ONLINE and stop cry to CCP cuz u guys (goon) cant fly titans
OR MAKE SERVER FOR GOONS AND LET US PLAY FAIR And CCp what prefer to have 6-7k players( goons) or 60k players ?????? Think before do wrong changes I fly an Erebus, and have one of the largest Titan fleets in the galaxy. The hard fact is that the fault lies with the people who used Titans to annihilate subcaps en masse, and then had the poor judgement to laugh about it, congratulate themselves, and keep doing it. If RDN, NCdot and PL hadn't gone whole-hog abusing an obviously broken mechanic, this nerf would have never happened. They may tell themselves that the inarguable imbalance of blapping titans was a sign of their 'skill' or 'superiority' - the same excuses offered forth throughout the history of the Titan, justifying Remote Doomsdays, AoE Doomsdays, etc etc. The same old guard players, the same old guard excuses, the same old-guard entitlement. Ultimately, the nemesis of titans was the poor impulse control of their own pilots - the inability, when faced with what amounted to a free bar, not to drink themselves into blundering violence and to assault the other guests.
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Darth Tickles
Northstar Cabal Fatal Ascension
56
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Posted - 2012.03.14 19:23:00 -
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The absolute best part of all this:
Who the **** do you think is going to have the unstoppable titan fleet in approximately 6 months under current mechanics, in addition to their current subcap superiority?
So dumb...so gd dumb.
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Swearte Widfarend
Mortis Noir. Ineluctable.
55
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Posted - 2012.03.14 19:23:00 -
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Nao Oikawasan wrote:Swearte Widfarend wrote:This supposed change will do little to the nullsec battlefield. It will do little to skilled players with Titans who understand game mechanics. It will do nothing to Titan proliferation (743 as of this morning's capital tweet). The smart thing to do is to actually fix them, give them a place or pull them from the game, refund Titan-related skill points and the ship's mineral value in ISK to the pilots. Why, in god's name, do you people believe that anyone deserves skillpoints and ISK because the faulty game mechanic, that you've been abusing for so long, has been fixed? You've had a good old time wrecking dramiels and rifters. We've all laughed on comms about these killmails and how absolutely ridiculous they are! You've plopped your fat asses into the systems with 2000 actual pilots duking it out and whored untold numbers of killmails without a single worry as to being killed. I think you've been given enough. No need for refunds.
I'm just going to try using logic instead of rage, I know that's hard for some people.
CCP has historically refunded skillpoints, and/or ISK value of skill books, when removing them from the game. Historically this has been an accepted practice (see Learning Skills or Connections Skills).
If the ship is to be removed, the modules should be put in the nearest NPC station, and the equivalent of the raw materials to build the ship in the same station. BPOs should be refunded at market prices. I know balance means nothing to you, but someone actually did something to acquire the ISK and/or minerals for the ship and/or blueprints. I don't think it's wise to give ISK value of the ship, because that's subject to crazy market manipulation. Of course, mineral value is as well, but in the volume we are talking about (750 titans worth of minerals at least) I think it is the best course. The former Titan pilot could then utilize those materials for acquiring ships that are still in game and can be flown, and still have all the modules that are useable on other ships.
Mind you, I'm not saying this is the right solution. But if CCP can't be bothered to fix a broken ship for FOUR YEARS maybe the should just admit they were wrong rather than pretend to put a bandaid on a sucking chest wound. If they can't figure out what role a Titan should have in this game, get rid of them. CCP is changing ship skill trees. How ship skills should be |
John Maynard Keynes
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
18
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Posted - 2012.03.14 19:24:00 -
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The Mittani wrote:FeLiZk wrote:On a side note I think it is so funny Goons are complaining about being blobbed, what is not funny is CCP is listening.
Change Titans by all means but don't do it for them. And don't rush it for them. You yourself are to blame; you and your fellows refuse to accept responsibility for your own misbehavior. Typical. Would also please tell Greyscale to balance the blob when you are having beers with him next time? |
mkd0815
GK inc. Pandemic Legion
2
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Posted - 2012.03.14 19:26:00 -
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i can only say this is a bad fix.
i have no clue how a fix that wrong happened to get online . where is your QA department ? |
Scooter McCabe
SUNDERING Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.03.14 19:29:00 -
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mkd0815 wrote:i can only say this is a bad fix.
i have no clue how a fix that wrong happened to get online . where is your QA department ?
Okay why was it a bad fix? Let's hear some good analytic reasons. |
Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
626
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Posted - 2012.03.14 19:29:00 -
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mkd0815 wrote:i can only say this is a bad fix.
i have no clue how a fix that wrong happened to get online . where is your QA department ?
You've only yourselves to blame for it. |
Audax Rarnikwar
Overplayed Associates Ltd. Fatal Ascension
0
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Posted - 2012.03.14 19:31:00 -
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http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=12512955
Yes, my moving pod got hit and killed by a titan. I probably ****** up my transversal, my own fault. |
Dovinian
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1008
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Posted - 2012.03.14 19:31:00 -
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When TEST grows up we might have some Titans someday.
Then when we have superior subcap numbers AND more Titans, suddenly it'd just be more complaints from the other side. Fix Titans now, make a better EVE for everyone.
I am Dovinian, and this is my stance on the matter. Dovinian for CSM7 because I have no idea what the **** I'm doing. |
The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5978
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Posted - 2012.03.14 19:31:00 -
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John Maynard Keynes wrote:The Mittani wrote:FeLiZk wrote:On a side note I think it is so funny Goons are complaining about being blobbed, what is not funny is CCP is listening.
Change Titans by all means but don't do it for them. And don't rush it for them. You yourself are to blame; you and your fellows refuse to accept responsibility for your own misbehavior. Typical. Would also please tell Greyscale to balance the blob when you are having beers with him next time?
Greyscale and I can't stand each other. And he doesn't drink.
I'm sorry that you - hiding, ashamed, behind the anonymity of an npc alt - are unwilling to face up to your own comeuppance.
This is happening because of your misdeeds, your obvious culpability. And you're hiding behind straw men and trying - desperately so! - to deflect the consequences of your actions.
You blapped, and now you got blapped. Perhaps if you hadn't misused Titans in the first place, this nerf wouldn't have had to happen. The Mittani, CSM7: Vote Here - One EVE. One Vote. One Chairman
The Office of the Chairman: A Thread for Constituent Issues |
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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
473
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Posted - 2012.03.14 19:32:00 -
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it was a bad fix as it does not implement the Final Solution to the supercap question |
deyaneira
1
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Posted - 2012.03.14 19:32:00 -
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To all:
This change makes well balance of game mechanics and engagements. I think this is the start of what a real fight space is. Titans will still be UBER ships, but their role wil now be used more properly. Get over it. |
Sentinel Eeex
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
59
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Posted - 2012.03.14 19:34:00 -
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FeLiZk wrote:Andski wrote:FeLiZk wrote:Better to restart the server, would that be fair enough for you.
Risk / Reward anyone ever heard this concept, thought it was what this game was suppose to be based on.
Yes you risk all of your titans when you drop them en masse ahahah Every time we drop them we risk -Counter drop (trap) -One bumped titan (thanks for that one CCP) -Disconnect And yes we risk all of them, it only takes one very bad day and we lose them all in one go ask RA. You might not think this, but there are times that we don't use them because the risks involved.
Hahahahahahahahaha. |
Bagehi
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises Test Alliance Please Ignore
67
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Posted - 2012.03.14 19:35:00 -
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mkd0815 wrote:i can only say this is a bad fix.
i have no clue how a fix that wrong happened to get online . where is your QA department ?
The problem is the scan res / weapon sig / sig radius thing isn't properly weighted. It is made all the more obvious by changing titan scan res to 5. The difference in lock time for a cruiser and a dread isn't remotely enough. The same can be said for the guns as the lock times. The underlying mechanics need to be worked on.
That said, titans needed a nerf. In the tradition of CCP nerfs, this one was a bit over the top and off the mark. |
The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5991
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Posted - 2012.03.14 19:35:00 -
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They hide these behind NPC alts because they don't dare show their faces; they know they have abused a broken mechanic and are unwilling to own up to their misdeeds. Their altposting is a scarlet letter of their shame, an admission of guilt.
They can't accept adult responsibility; they threw their toys around, misbehaved, and now their toys are being taken away. Alas! The Mittani, CSM7: Vote Here - One EVE. One Vote. One Chairman
The Office of the Chairman: A Thread for Constituent Issues |
Daiony
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2012.03.14 19:36:00 -
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The Mittani wrote:Daiony wrote:The Mittani wrote:FeLiZk wrote:On a side note I think it is so funny Goons are complaining about being blobbed, what is not funny is CCP is listening.
Change Titans by all means but don't do it for them. And don't rush it for them. You yourself are to blame; you and your fellows refuse to accept responsibility for your own misbehavior. Typical. So you are saying that using titans against subcaps was an exploit then? Otherwise your post makes no sense. Everything that was done was well within the rules CCP implemented. You chose not to use your supercapitals in a scenario where they would be at risk. Thats your choice. It doesn't mean that it was the only right thing to do. Why didn't you use all the tools available to you? Instead you chose not to use them and vote for a nerf so the other evil guys can't use them against you. People do want titans to be changed, but not like this. This is a half assed ****** patchjob that looks rushed and tailored towards goons playstyle. That is the problem people have with it. Why rush a "surgical fix" (lol) like this out now? It's not like it couldn't wait till CCP thought out a proper solution to the WHOLE problem that are supercaps and sov warfare. To me it looks like CCP is panicking here for no apparent reason. CCP should take their time and act like professionals. Do a fix, but do it right, and not some piece of **** rushjob. The nerfs happen now because you - hiding behind a NPC alt - couldn't control yourselves, like a glutton at an all-you-can-eat Vegas buffet, even going so far as to blap CCP's own subcaps. You can make all the excuses you want, but that just goes to show your own lack of restraint - the very inability to accept responsibility that has brought about this situation. You ask why this has happened? The answer is written all over your own post.
Because the honorable mittani and the goons are a role model for moral integrity and aloofness. Please, get over yourself. Look at the whole picture from a non biased standpoint and even you will have to acknowledge that this "fix" is ****, halfassed. It doesn't matter where anyone touched your subcapitals. The very concept of this adjustment is wrong. They should do it right the first time, not rush some crap out and alienate one part of the playerbase.
Try to be objective for once. |
Mynas Atoch
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
37
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Posted - 2012.03.14 19:38:00 -
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FeLiZk wrote:On a side note I think it is so funny Goons are complaining about being blobbed, what is not funny is CCP is listening.
Change Titans by all means but don't do it for them. And don't rush it for them. They are doing it for you, you fool.
We already have one of the largest supercapital fleets in the game and would be blapping the merry hell out of you were you not in one TIDi'd siege cycle range of the largest and fourth largest supercap fleets in GëívGëí. Try to understand that your inability to restrain yourselves from slaughtering little ships is but a raindrop in the sea of despair that Goonswarm will drown the game in when WE can do it with no risk. You think you are griefers; as usual we were late to the party, but by god you have no conception of the grief we will create with our power unchecked.
Thank CCP for saving you.
From us.
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The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5991
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Posted - 2012.03.14 19:38:00 -
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Vile rat wrote:BioZvin wrote:
If it really is for one thing only, I was never told this. DD to kill all sub caps was first incarnation.. even thou you are very happy to say this all the time. Make us able to dock the things so we can wait out this horrible nurf in stations. Would you have us stuck in ships that can be used 1 time every month if we are very lucky ? Pretty sure someone said this with Supercarriers also...
Ever consider we wouldn't be at this place if some titan pilots didn't rub everybody's nose so into the problem that they were forced to act? Titans one shotting dictors isn't a titan playing a role, it's a titan playing EVERY role. https://killboard.goonfleet.com/km/625985https://killboard.goonfleet.com/km/625987See? It's you. You are the problem. You caused this.
I'm just going to go ahead and bring this back to the current page. It's a good post.
Don't forget who's really at fault here. It's these people, blapping dictors and frigates and gloating about it, then trying to play the innocent when they're finally called on the carpet for their misbehavior.
Oh, sure, the Titan pilots are the victims. The Mittani, CSM7: Vote Here - One EVE. One Vote. One Chairman
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Yasuhiro Shoe
The Praxis Initiative Gentlemen's Agreement
3
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Posted - 2012.03.14 19:40:00 -
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Hungry Ghost wrote:CCP before going forward with that decision - did you actually consider that atm there is 2 major conflicts going on in 0.0. First one is CFC Vs Raiden&Co, second is southern alliances Vs Legion of Death&friends. In both cases one side heavily relied on titans, while the other used them rarely, if at all. As far as i can tell both conflicts currently going in favor of the side, that do not use titans, but can field more ppl. You are proposing balance change that will further shift balance of power in favor of the winning side. Did you notice, what majority of people praising you for this change got goonswarm or aligned ticker? Must look really strange to someone without interest in 0.0 politics
Making changes with the intention of messing with specific in-game conflicts would be a break of trust. So CCP literally has to disregard this political perspective, and focus on the game mechanics themselves.
I do not think the impact of this nerf will be as large as you imply. Tracking titans will still own subcaps, hopefully their impact will be lessened. Everyone should assume more drastic changes will come in time, further nudging alliances into a model where Titans are the strategic cornerstone of a composite fleet and not the main ship of the line. Do not be surprised when those changes happen, just like you shouldn't be surprised by the current proposal, everyone knew it was coming.
Fixing broken mechanics in the sandbox helps everyone have more fun in the long run. Short term, I suppose it might hurt a few entities that rely solely on supercap deployment, but I rest easy in the knowledge it's well deserved considering how much supers have been exploited until now.
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Kyle Myr
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
162
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Posted - 2012.03.14 19:43:00 -
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Another worthwhile point to make in this discussion is the concept that there is no counter to large numbers of sub caps, and that dropping Titans to destroy the sub capital fleet is the only way to deal with superior numbers. This argument ignores a few points, mainly the concept of bombers, counter-compositions, and reinforcements. CFC uses at least 5 major fleet compositions, which are often mixed depending on the scenario. Each of these contains a few main ship types, as well as a significant number of support ships to add robust roles to the fleet, and each doctrine is countered by a different sub capital doctrine which we have seen our enemies field.
Every single one of these doctrines does not have an answer for 20+ titans being dropped on it. These dropped titans don't act as support for fleets when dropped, they simply kill everything on the field which is present where they are dropped. These titans can only held down by dictors and hictors, or in the case of a low sec engagement, only scripted hictors. Once these ships, which titans are perfectly able to kill, are dead, there is no risk left to the engagement.
This has been seen repeatedly, over and over. This is why super caps are being changed. |
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The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5996
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Posted - 2012.03.14 19:44:00 -
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Daiony wrote: Because the honorable mittani and the goons are a role model for moral integrity and aloofness. Please, get over yourself.
There are Titan pilots who misbehaved and brought this on themselves, but had the guts to post with their mains. Then there are the Titan pilots like you, who also helped bring this about, yet are so ashamed that they hide behind NPC alts.
Either way, it's your fault this has happened, but the Titan pilots who post with their mains at least have some pride. And a spine. The Mittani, CSM7: Vote Here - One EVE. One Vote. One Chairman
The Office of the Chairman: A Thread for Constituent Issues |
CaldariCitizen 20111026
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.03.14 19:45:00 -
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The mechanics were broken and obviously abused. Starting (but not yet) to be fixed.
What happened was the same with smokers who just couldn't manage to be educated enough to NOT smoke when other people were eating or didn't want their crap. They got nerfed. Then its tears "oh we is so oppressed!"
But hey, this is good for you guys. Now you get to prove you're really good, if you can. |
FeLiZk
The Ankou Raiden.
0
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Posted - 2012.03.14 19:47:00 -
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The Mittani wrote:They hide these behind NPC alts because they don't dare show their faces; they know they have abused a broken mechanic and are unwilling to own up to their misdeeds. Their altposting is a scarlet letter of their shame, an admission of guilt.
They can't accept adult responsibility; they threw their toys around, misbehaved, and now their toys are being taken away. Alas!
Who is this you are saying is hiding, I see quite a few people posting with their mains, and can't you have an opinion if your not part of 0.0. Then remove a big portion of your 350000, and then Titans are no longer 0.02% or whatever you said they where.
As far as I am informed, you have more then once said you where going to use your position to destroy your enemy's so I give next to nothing for you opinion. And the timing and manner of this proves it congrats. Would almost say well played. |
Bagehi
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises Test Alliance Please Ignore
67
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Posted - 2012.03.14 19:47:00 -
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Kyle Myr wrote:Another worthwhile point to make in this discussion is the concept that there is no counter to large numbers of sub caps, and that dropping Titans to destroy the sub capital fleet is the only way to deal with superior numbers. This argument ignores a few points, mainly the concept of bombers, counter-compositions, and reinforcements. CFC uses at least 5 major fleet compositions, which are often mixed depending on the scenario. Each of these contains a few main ship types, as well as a significant number of support ships to add robust roles to the fleet, and each doctrine is countered by a different sub capital doctrine which we have seen our enemies field.
Every single one of these doctrines does not have an answer for 20+ titans being dropped on it. These dropped titans don't act as support for fleets when dropped, they simply kill everything on the field which is present where they are dropped. These titans can only held down by dictors and hictors, or in the case of a low sec engagement, only scripted hictors. Once these ships, which titans are perfectly able to kill, are dead, there is no risk left to the engagement.
This has been seen repeatedly, over and over. This is why super caps are being changed.
The good old fashion game of rock, paper, scissors, dynamite. |
Daiony
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2012.03.14 19:49:00 -
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The Mittani wrote:Daiony wrote: Because the honorable mittani and the goons are a role model for moral integrity and aloofness. Please, get over yourself.
There are Titan pilots who misbehaved and brought this on themselves, but had the guts to post with their mains. Then there are the Titan pilots like you, who also helped bring this about, yet are so ashamed that they hide behind NPC alts. Either way, it's your fault this has happened, but the Titan pilots who post with their mains at least have some pride. And a spine.
Yeah, you said that a few times now, doesn't make it any more right tho. Why don't you stick to the points i made and comment on them instead of repeating the same thing over and over. You appear to be very one dimensional in this regard. I am not even opposed to a nerf and still you push me into the "guilty evil titan pilot drawer". I expected more of you. I am dissapoint. |
hioshi IV
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2012.03.14 19:50:00 -
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@CCP: Your drawing your own death.
Look at this topic, more and more people are starting to see your connection/favoritism towards goons.
Soon, your corruption will be exposed, you will die, and i wont feel sorry for you.
@goons: Well played, another victory thru the crybaby's you are, once more, ccp came to your rescue.
@Titan owners: I feel sorry for you, skilling for years, griding isk and get ass raped by goons like this
@everyone else: Stop eating goon propaganda. Vote for someone besides goons to cut their csm power, and plz, open your eyes. Read this topic, the corruption is exposed right here. Just read it
NEXT: goons trying to ridicule my post, to make it disappear into the pages darkness .. |
FOl2TY8
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
12
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Posted - 2012.03.14 19:50:00 -
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Daiony wrote:The Mittani wrote:Daiony wrote: Because the honorable mittani and the goons are a role model for moral integrity and aloofness. Please, get over yourself.
There are Titan pilots who misbehaved and brought this on themselves, but had the guts to post with their mains. Then there are the Titan pilots like you, who also helped bring this about, yet are so ashamed that they hide behind NPC alts. Either way, it's your fault this has happened, but the Titan pilots who post with their mains at least have some pride. And a spine. Yeah, you said that a few times now, doesn't make it any more right tho. Why don't you stick to the points i made and comment on them instead of repeating the same thing over and over. You appear to be very one dimensional in this regard. I am not even opposed to a nerf and still you push me into the "guilty evil titan pilot drawer". I expected more of you. I am dissapoint.
Your points have literally nothing to do with game mechanics that are broken. |
asdf ghyj
Zorg Solutions
0
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Posted - 2012.03.14 19:50:00 -
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Dmitry Sychev wrote:asdf ghyj wrote:Dear CCP if do this nerf then gief back to all pilots titan skills cuz we spend 5 bil for skill and 100 bils = for titan and wasting like 3 month + for make skill AND NOW WE CANT USE THIS SHIP cuz this MITANI not have skill and isk to take titan
MR MITANI go play PREPELIX ONLINE and stop cry to CCP cuz u guys (goon) cant fly titans
OR MAKE SERVER FOR GOONS AND LET US PLAY FAIR And CCp what prefer to have 6-7k players( goons) or 60k players ?????? Think before do wrong changes 60k players? How many titans in Game? - Titan's pilots will leave game, no changes to online.
I dont care how many titans pilot are in game, but i dont wasting my time 3+ month for perfect titan and a lot time to make isk to buy skill and titan and now ????? we all pay to play this game not only GOONS or MItani CCP must listen all players not only 5-6k |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
190
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Posted - 2012.03.14 19:53:00 -
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The Mittani wrote:Daiony wrote: Because the honorable mittani and the goons are a role model for moral integrity and aloofness. Please, get over yourself.
There are Titan pilots who misbehaved and brought this on themselves, but had the guts to post with their mains. Then there are the Titan pilots like you, who also helped bring this about, yet are so ashamed that they hide behind NPC alts. Either way, it's your fault this has happened, but the Titan pilots who post with their mains at least have some pride. And a spine.
you do know that eventually this is going to bite you in the tuchus too eh?
i cant wait for stackable RR and damage applied penilties... the goon tears are going to be epic! |
Khadmos
Serenity Engineering and Transport Company Fatal Ascension
36
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Posted - 2012.03.14 19:54:00 -
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If this is such a horrible nerf, why isn't PL selling their titans?
I see a **** load of buyers in the buy/sell forum but no confirmed sales yet.
Either PL isn't actually selling their titans because they know they are still over powered or they are idiots and actually selling them to droves of people who know they are still over powered.
It's pretty obvious that all this whining is just an attempt to keep them as ridiculous as they are now. |
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