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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3131
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Posted - 2012.03.15 23:08:00 -
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Reilly Duvolle wrote:Andski wrote:Reilly Duvolle wrote:Andski wrote:the rock my posts blocked so somebody explain what happens when the "i win" buttons are trapped where their staging towers used to be, surrounded by bubbles in our home system Oh but you misunderstand my dear Andski. You see, undefatable iWin buttons would be impossible to "trap". They would have just blasted out of there, killing everything. This is after all, what you claim them to be capable off. hmm yes we've clearly demonstrated the ability of supercapitals to disregard 150km of bubbles Bubbles arent really a problem if everything else is dead, is it? It just take time slowboating out of them, but again - if everything is dead anyway because you just kill them, whats the big problem? I mean, there was a LOT of supers trapped in VFK. An unstoppable rapetrain to quote your own views on the matter. it is a mystery indeed.
we also had a lot of supers in VFK, but they weren't trapped "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Berke Negri
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
45
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Posted - 2012.03.15 23:08:00 -
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not the pubbie complaining we need, but the pubbie complaining we deserve
wait strike that makes no goddamn sense |
Berke Negri
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
45
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Posted - 2012.03.15 23:12:00 -
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what i mean to say is
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EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
378
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Posted - 2012.03.15 23:14:00 -
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Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
95
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Posted - 2012.03.15 23:22:00 -
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Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
453
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Posted - 2012.03.15 23:23:00 -
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Some pages ago, someone once said that this thread was 80 pages of delicios tears. But really, its at least 70% sperging Goons.
Goons that mysterioulsy still hold nullsec territory despite their enemies holding the iWin button for the last year. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2785
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Posted - 2012.03.15 23:31:00 -
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Andski wrote:Weaselior wrote:yes, let us spend hours explaining the basics of nullsec warfare to someone barely more literate than a plant, that sounds like a wise use of time you're arguing with the guy who thinks that venal/tribute/vale tech moons "produce more tech" than ours he also uses valuable intelligence sources like dotlan, evenews24 and kugu oh cripes i forgot this was that guy
forget more literate than a plant |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2785
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Posted - 2012.03.15 23:32:00 -
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Reilly Duvolle remember that time you were right about anything
i don't either |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3131
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Posted - 2012.03.15 23:32:00 -
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Reilly Duvolle wrote:Some pages ago, someone said that this thread was 80 pages of delicios tears. But really, its at least 70% sperging Goons.
Goons that mysterioulsy still hold nullsec territory despite their enemies holding the iWin button for the last year.
look at you completely ignoring the discussion about a failed invasion by the failure who is bmerc
thank you for giving us your valuable insights on nullsec warfare "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2785
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Posted - 2012.03.15 23:33:00 -
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man that was a good thread where reilly spent literally days talking about technetium without knowing literally the first thing about it
guess he thought it was good too so he's doin it again |
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EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
378
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Posted - 2012.03.15 23:35:00 -
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But guys, don't you see? He's pulling our strings!
We got so caught up in proving him wrong at every turn that we didn't realize that he was pulling our strings and making us sperg! |
John Maynard Keynes
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
21
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Posted - 2012.03.15 23:35:00 -
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This is not a shitposting contest. Please try to write something usefull. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3131
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Posted - 2012.03.15 23:35:00 -
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i wonder how many of these titan apologists believe that titans are built with minerals in freighters escorted from jita, or worse yet, from homesourced minerals from mining "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
I'm Down
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
1
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Posted - 2012.03.15 23:36:00 -
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There is a reason why IGÇÖve said for the past 2 years that adjusting tracking will not fix the problem. Just like fixing lock time also does not address the problem at all.
You developers have for years completely ignored your tracking mechanics and how utterly garbage they are. You have also ignored people informing you of why you canGÇÖt fix tracking under the current design. So let me drop this knowledge on you for why your first fix to titans has changed so little in what they do that it will have virtually 0 impact on the game after a few months of adaptation:
The current problem is that titans in large numbers can blap the ever living **** out of a fleet with basically no risk simply because they are huge HP buffers that can be repaired by motherships which are also huge HP buffers. Now I could ***** and moan about Capital Remote repairers and their range and their effectiveness, particularly on huge hp and resist stars like supers, but that would go off track of my point, so IGÇÖll avoid the temptation.
So you changed trackingGǪ big whoop. Rather than track around 220 m/s for every 10km of range, an Erebus/Rag now tracks about 110 m/s for every 10km of range. In addition, they have a gun sig size of about double that of a BS. This creates some magical world where a ship further away can be tracked better, but is some how mysteriously the same size as though range dilation has no affect at all on how well you can see that now tiny little dot. In laymanGÇÖs termsGǪ. This means that if Eve mechanics worked in the real universe, Every star in the whole freaking universe would look approximately the same size as our sun, as would all the planets in size relation to our moon rather than the tiny specs in the sky that they are. So hereGÇÖs what happens after your patch to just circumvent the whole problem you just createdGǪ. Lock time you sayGǪ Tracking speed you sayGǪ
Hello MR Proteus, Hello either 5 AEONS with 4 Domi painters or 50 Archons with 4 T2 Painters (and just for luls cause the ship is cheap, why not throw in 2 range extenders for the painters as well). Now that wonderful tengu has an 800-1200 sig and at 60km can be tracked plus has a sig size near the same as the guns do. That Maelstrom has a 1700 + sigGǪ ie bigger than the guns do, and can be tracked at about 12km rangeGǪ. And oh yeah, you can easily get those 300-400,000 ehp small sig lokis to web down anything closer than those ranges to prevent them from avoiding the tracking problemsGǪ not like tech 3GÇÖs are rare these days.
Oh but lock time you sayGǪ well if the carrier paints before the Titans ever lockGǪ. Oh yeah, Lock a tengu in 30-35 seconds, lock a Maelstrom in 23-30 secondsGǪ thatGÇÖs so brutal. Oh yeah, and thatGÇÖs just with ******* Navy tracking computers and sensor boosters, I didnGÇÖt even toss in the Meta 13-14 gear.
GeeGǪ in 20 minutes of planning and a slight modification to what my fleet roles are, IGÇÖve just circumvented your entire titan patch plans b/c you thought this was enough to warrant not changing the coding of your formulas so that they make sense.
Good thing thereGÇÖs nobody in this game who couldnGÇÖt ya know, divide their titan pilots up on mumble into 10-15 sub channels, have a few SCGÇÖs assigned to each for painting and just perform the exact same way where itGÇÖs GÇ£paint, blap, blap, boomGÇ¥ rather than the old, GÇ£blap, blap, boomGÇ¥GǪ. That extra stepGǪ it will be the death of me. Guess us PL folk, or Raiden folk, or NC. Folk will have a horrible time adapting to this fix bros.
Thanks for the effortGǪ maybe next time youGÇÖll listen to sense, put in the extra time needed, and avoid yet another **** fix. |
EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
378
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Posted - 2012.03.15 23:37:00 -
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John Maynard Keynes wrote:This is not a shitposting contest. Please try to write something usefull.
No backseat moderating. |
EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
378
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Posted - 2012.03.15 23:37:00 -
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Nerd. |
EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
378
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Posted - 2012.03.15 23:39:00 -
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I'm Down wrote:There is a reason why IGÇÖve said for the past 2 years that adjusting tracking will not fix the problem. Just like fixing lock time also does not address the problem at all.
You developers have for years completely ignored your tracking mechanics and how utterly garbage they are. You have also ignored people informing you of why you canGÇÖt fix tracking under the current design. So let me drop this knowledge on you for why your first fix to titans has changed so little in what they do that it will have virtually 0 impact on the game after a few months of adaptation:
The current problem is that titans in large numbers can blap the ever living **** out of a fleet with basically no risk simply because they are huge HP buffers that can be repaired by motherships which are also huge HP buffers. Now I could ***** and moan about Capital Remote repairers and their range and their effectiveness, particularly on huge hp and resist stars like supers, but that would go off track of my point, so IGÇÖll avoid the temptation.
So you changed trackingGǪ big whoop. Rather than track around 220 m/s for every 10km of range, an Erebus/Rag now tracks about 110 m/s for every 10km of range. In addition, they have a gun sig size of about double that of a BS. This creates some magical world where a ship further away can be tracked better, but is some how mysteriously the same size as though range dilation has no affect at all on how well you can see that now tiny little dot. In laymanGÇÖs termsGǪ. This means that if Eve mechanics worked in the real universe, Every star in the whole freaking universe would look approximately the same size as our sun, as would all the planets in size relation to our moon rather than the tiny specs in the sky that they are. So hereGÇÖs what happens after your patch to just circumvent the whole problem you just createdGǪ. Lock time you sayGǪ Tracking speed you sayGǪ
Hello MR Proteus, Hello either 5 AEONS with 4 Domi painters or 50 Archons with 4 T2 Painters (and just for luls cause the ship is cheap, why not throw in 2 range extenders for the painters as well). Now that wonderful tengu has an 800-1200 sig and at 60km can be tracked plus has a sig size near the same as the guns do. That Maelstrom has a 1700 + sigGǪ ie bigger than the guns do, and can be tracked at about 12km rangeGǪ. And oh yeah, you can easily get those 300-400,000 ehp small sig lokis to web down anything closer than those ranges to prevent them from avoiding the tracking problemsGǪ not like tech 3GÇÖs are rare these days.
Oh but lock time you sayGǪ well if the carrier paints before the Titans ever lockGǪ. Oh yeah, Lock a tengu in 30-35 seconds, lock a Maelstrom in 23-30 secondsGǪ thatGÇÖs so brutal. Oh yeah, and thatGÇÖs just with ******* Navy tracking computers and sensor boosters, I didnGÇÖt even toss in the Meta 13-14 gear.
GeeGǪ in 20 minutes of planning and a slight modification to what my fleet roles are, IGÇÖve just circumvented your entire titan patch plans b/c you thought this was enough to warrant not changing the coding of your formulas so that they make sense.
Good thing thereGÇÖs nobody in this game who couldnGÇÖt ya know, divide their titan pilots up on mumble into 10-15 sub channels, have a few SCGÇÖs assigned to each for painting and just perform the exact same way where itGÇÖs GÇ£paint, blap, blap, boomGÇ¥ rather than the old, GÇ£blap, blap, boomGÇ¥GǪ. That extra stepGǪ it will be the death of me. Guess us PL folk, or Raiden folk, or NC. Folk will have a horrible time adapting to this fix bros.
Thanks for the effortGǪ maybe next time youGÇÖll listen to sense, put in the extra time needed, and avoid yet another **** fix.
This is a good post.
Address the points, call everyone stupid, including CCP Games, and even give how it should be properly fixed.
And it's from Pandemic Legion.
I always knew you guys were on our side :shobon:
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Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
453
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Posted - 2012.03.15 23:42:00 -
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John Maynard Keynes wrote:This is not a shitposting contest. Please try to write something usefull.
Its what Goons do when they run out of arguments. NBD. |
May Zonday
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
42
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Posted - 2012.03.15 23:43:00 -
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Reilly Duvolle wrote:John Maynard Keynes wrote:This is not a shitposting contest. Please try to write something usefull. Its what Goons do when they run out of arguments. NBD.
Shitposting is its own reward, get it right, nerd. |
EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
380
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Posted - 2012.03.15 23:49:00 -
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Reilly Duvolle wrote:John Maynard Keynes wrote:This is not a shitposting contest. Please try to write something usefull. Its what Goons do when they run out of arguments. NBD.
Even your arguments were shitposts, nerd. |
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3132
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Posted - 2012.03.15 23:50:00 -
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Reilly Duvolle wrote:John Maynard Keynes wrote:This is not a shitposting contest. Please try to write something usefull. Its what Goons do when they run out of arguments. NBD.
hmm yes proving you wrong multiple times and calling you out on your utter ignorance of nullsec warfare due to a limited perspective based on highsec incursion running is "shitposting" "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Kyle Myr
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
181
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Posted - 2012.03.15 23:50:00 -
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Reilly Duvolle wrote:Andski wrote:the rock my posts blocked so somebody explain what happens when the "i win" buttons are trapped where their staging towers used to be, surrounded by bubbles in our home system Oh but you misunderstand my dear Andski. You see, undefatable iWin buttons would be impossible to "trap". They would have just blasted out of there, killing everything. This is after all, what you claim them to be capable off.
On the off chance you're somehow not trolling and trying to engage in a discussion here, let me break it down for you as simply as I can:
Just because a tool is powerful and potent to the point of being unbalancing, doesn't mean that the players behind that tool are perfectly organized, rational, or reasonable in how they employ that tool.
To give specific examples, Dropping 20 titans on a 500 vs 500 sub capital brawl is the sort of rational move that immediately ends the fight in favor of the person dropping those titans. Sure, you could argue about counter-drops, reforming some kind of counter fleet, or such, but by the time that sort of thing goes through, those 20 titans have done their job of murdering that initial 500 subcap fleet.
Now, dropping 46 titans into your enemies' capital with no support fleet and logging them off there, that's a fairly stupid move. You're handing your opponent the chance to fight your titans on his terms, negating the chance of any reinforcements, on a silver platter. Especially when that's 46 titans over 4+ disparate alliances only loosely organized by a hatred of Goonfleet, motivated by a very angry ex-goon. At that point, everyone gets nervous that the plan wasn't terribly good, starts eyeing that 90b isk spaceship that's stuck in a vise, and starts trying to figure out how to get out of Dodge. |
Berke Negri
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
45
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Posted - 2012.03.15 23:59:00 -
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Andski wrote:Reilly Duvolle wrote:John Maynard Keynes wrote:This is not a shitposting contest. Please try to write something usefull. Its what Goons do when they run out of arguments. NBD. hmm yes proving you wrong multiple times and calling you out on your utter ignorance of nullsec warfare due to a limited perspective based on highsec incursion running is "shitposting" being wrong about everything is the cornerstone of the puppet master's devious plans, however |
Venus Vermillion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
437
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Posted - 2012.03.16 00:02:00 -
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Proof that Titans aren't overpowered:
1: A blob of titans is easily countered by a bigger blob of titans.
2: Titans are worth more isk than any other ship and therefore should be more powerful than any other ship.
3: Titans require more SP than any other ship and therefore should be more powerful than any other ship.
4: No other ship has roles to play in the game, they're all generic combat ships, so titans should be the most powerful of them.
5: A "Titan" is literally the son Uranus and Gaea. The son of two gods. Seriously people.
6: Goons still exist in game, therefore titans should aren't overpowered. Everyone knows people with titans would immediately wipe them out if titans were overpowered.
7: More people who own titans say that they are fine than people who don't own titans say they aren't. (Goons don't count because goons aren't people.)
8: CCP is under The Mittani's control and therefore anything they decide is suspect. (Read: The Mittani is literally Rasputin.)
9: People in other countries are starving. It isn't right that hard working titan pilots should have to suffer.
10: Technetium hasn't been fixed yet. |
EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
380
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Posted - 2012.03.16 00:05:00 -
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Mittani has mind controlling laser beams.
Vote Lasers, Vote Mittani |
Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
453
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Posted - 2012.03.16 00:06:00 -
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I'm changing my numbers. This thread isnt 70% sperging Goons. Its 90%. Thats funny, since after all - you have apparently "won" EVE. |
John Maynard Keynes
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
22
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Posted - 2012.03.16 00:09:00 -
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Venus Vermillion wrote:Proof that Titans aren't overpowered:
1: A blob of titans is easily countered by a bigger blob of titans.
2: Titans are worth more isk than any other ship and therefore should be more powerful than any other ship.
3: Titans require more SP than any other ship and therefore should be more powerful than any other ship.
4: No other ship has roles to play in the game, they're all generic combat ships, so titans should be the most powerful of them.
5: A "Titan" is literally the son Uranus and Gaea. The son of two gods. Seriously people.
6: Goons still exist in game, therefore titans surely aren't overpowered. Everyone knows people with titans would immediately wipe them out if titans were overpowered.
7: More people who own titans say that they are fine than people who don't own titans say they aren't. (Goons don't count because goons aren't people.)
8: CCP is under The Mittani's control and therefore anything they decide is suspect. (Read: The Mittani is literally Rasputin.)
9: People in other countries are starving. It isn't right that hard working titan pilots should have to suffer.
10: Technetium hasn't been fixed yet.
The titans are not properly balanced! However, in order to fix them, CCP needs to devote proper ressources and develop a real solution and not some kind of ****** fix that doesn't solve the problem at all. This "fix" proves once again that CCP neither plays its own game nor understands it. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3133
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Posted - 2012.03.16 00:10:00 -
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Reilly Duvolle wrote:I'm changing my numbers. This thread isnt 70% sperging Goons. Its 90%. Thats funny, since after all - you have apparently "won" EVE.
i think you're the only one sperging here l0l
please learn what words mean "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
453
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Posted - 2012.03.16 00:11:00 -
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Andski wrote:Reilly Duvolle wrote:I'm changing my numbers. This thread isnt 70% sperging Goons. Its 90%. Thats funny, since after all - you have apparently "won" EVE. i think you're the only one sperging here l0l please learn what words mean
really? shows how much you understand then. |
Venus Vermillion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
438
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Posted - 2012.03.16 00:12:00 -
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Reilly Duvolle wrote:I'm changing my numbers. This thread isnt 70% sperging Goons. Its 90%. Thats funny, since after all - you have apparently "won" EVE.
Hey, I'm just summarizing for people who don't want to read 115 pages. I took all the pro-titan arguments and wrapped them up nicely into one little post. |
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