I'm not going to get into an protracted arguement about what a Good solo bomber pilot can do, ill just provide examples, of course this is also situational and you have to know what you are doing:
http://ineluctable-alliance.com/kb/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=4299
http://ineluctable-alliance.com/kb/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=4302

I don't know if it's the link, or mebbe you're trolling, or mebbe it's my connection .... but they both take me to a header page with 'no kill id specified' on it.

Mebbe you're just linking to my kill records.

Substantia, I think your on the right path, and will have some great bomber experiences, personally I donGGVt fly with empties but I have recommended fits with empty slots, and itGGVs all about the benefit of the mod VS its price.

Any one have any experance with after burner, senser boosting, torp manicors well using ECM bombs? I don't have the bomb skill up enuff for try outs on the test server. But on papper 12 of them with damps scripted to lock time should be a nightmare for any group in cruisers and up, well the SB should make hitting the acsedently hitting each other not so bad.
Thoughts?

Woo hoo!! The carebear-in-hound just got a first bomber kill ... but of course it didn't go down quite as planned. Blow-by-blow to follow.

The plan was to ambush their scanner guy, since he seemed to use the same spot and wasn't terribly disciplined with his cloaking. I figured that was a good starter target.

First I waited, waited, and waited and just when i'd decided he was out Friday nite boozing and was about to head off myself, there he is warping into the POS in a sleipnir. I am **not** gonna try kill a sleipnir! Then, thankfully, he swaps to that nice little scanner buzzard.

So one of me sits near the POS watching him while the other warps to 32km from his expected scanning safespot.

Waiting, waiting, waiting ... and he does nothing.

Then he warps away in the wrong direction. Damn!!

Don't know what he was doing but no probes appeared. thankfully he was back pretty soon.

The inconsiderate sod then did not scan ... the cheek. He swapped to a blockade runner and warped off somewhere else. He engaged cloak, so there didn't seem much chance i'd catch and kill him in that.

A little while later he's back at the POS and swapping into a deep space transport. Hek!! I only have a single point and am not gonna stop that from warping away even if I found it.

he's to-and-fro into and out of the POS. I assume he's doing his daily PI or something.

By now I am getting a bit despondent. All this ground work and i'm not gonna get to shoot anything.

He lingers in the POS for a while then swaps to a drake. Can I kill a drake?? I'm sure a competent PvPer could, but can **I** kill a drake?

The drake warps out and one of me does the rounds and finally locates him working a mag site. Hmmm, can i do this?

So I warp in to nearby and sneakily slowboat to about 40km from where he's working. Then the other me follows from a slightly different direction.

We wait as he (damn slowly) clears the site. He gets to the final wave and it proves too tough for him ... he warps out

A minute later he warps back in, in a raven! Oh shoot, I am not gonna be able to kill a sleeper fit raven. Those shields will just laugh at me. I watch as he cruise missiles the BSs to death and then as the hobgoblin Is come out to clear the frigs. I remembered you all saying warrior IIs were my enemy and figured goblin Is were not such a threat. Will I? Won't I? Will I? You prolly all remember the feeling. I was nervous, my heart was racing, and I was sweating ... FFS it's only a game idiot!!

One sleeper frig to go. Hell, what have I got to lose? It's almost zero chance he's fitted to scram or point me and the cruises are not gonna hit well enough to one-shot me even if I messup.

I align to him and just as the last frig dies I'm at 30km. I uncloak, target lock, gang-load point and torps, and let bomb fly. Everything works, despite my shaking fingers :-) The other me then does the same, but makes sure the painter has cycled before releasing the bomb. For all that tank the shields just melted. I turned from orbit and let a second bomb fly. It took him to mid-structure and he ejected. Couldn't get a lock before the pod warped but the raven went boom a second or so later. I got to loot the ship (nothing particularly nice) **and** his cleared sleeper site.

So the first bomber kill for this carebear-in-a-hound was a raven. I kinda like the ring to that.


We've anchored a can, just to keep them on edge thinking we're still there watching and waiting, and hopped out to hisec to go find another target system. So far I am liking this stealth bomber business very much


Now I am spamming the battleclinic killboards wanting to see my uber kill appear ... damn slow that

Thanks. I have both bomb types with me, altho mostly electrons. I'll try one of each bomb type to start with and follow-up with nova torps from both.

This is bad info completely.

Now for learning.

.... always be aligned to a celestrial or station in case someone like you pops up. He should have been warping with his setup. (tells you a lot about 0.0 pilots though huh)

That is why you NEED to be within point range immediately upon decloak. 2nd, I have no clue how you managed to launch 2 bombs before you got a point on him.

... so make better use of your torps by overheating your torps when you start and make sure you have nanite repair paste. You should have been able to kill the raven without a second bomb ...

Now that you have been spotted you will need to adjust your tactics as he will be on alert and anyone in his corp (does he have one) will know about you. Watch for bait.

I meant he (the BS) should have been aligned during his ratting escapades. You should always be orbiting with prop mod on.

Hey there.

I'd like to go for this type of ship.
Though I read some wikis, forums, ... but it seems it was re-worked recently and now SB are really different.

So, here are my questions :

- What's the best SB in your opinion, and why ? How would you fit it?
- Can someone still un-cloak you when going near you (2km)?
- Can you warp / MWD while cloaked?
- Skills of a good SB?
- Tips and tricks? other things to know? Maybe a link to a recent guide?

Thanks by advance.

Since this thread is still rolling, i have a little question to add...

Who are the best Covert-oriented corps around these days?
Who pushes the envelope and use covert tactics beyond the simple overmanned cyno traps and short ganks?

There are the usual suspects, like Burn Eden (with a long history in the field), Waffles (known by their plantschool affiliation) and DNS (known by profile and size), but their bumps and kinks are all too well known even if it's only fair to mention them as the topic comes up. Groups like Exceed and Panda Team aren't really around anymore (absorbed elsewhere), so who else is out there? More importantly: who is currently the best (in your opinion), active (handful daily kills), most successful; and who use the related ships to do something new and exciting against challenging odds? The problem i have is that i mostly see unimaginary ganks when i browse around covert-group killboards and movies. Drop some names, post some links...

I should probably have made a new thread for this, but hrm... .

Since this thread is still rolling, i have a little question to add...

Who are the best Covert-oriented corps around these days?
Who pushes the envelope and use covert tactics beyond the simple overmanned cyno traps and short ganks?

There are the usual suspects, like Burn Eden (with a long history in the field), Waffles (known by their plantschool affiliation) and DNS (known by profile and size), but their bumps and kinks are all too well known even if it's only fair to mention them as the topic comes up. Groups like Exceed and Panda Team aren't really around anymore (absorbed elsewhere), so who else is out there? More importantly: who is currently the best (in your opinion), active (handful daily kills), most successful; and who use the related ships to do something new and exciting against challenging odds? The problem i have is that i mostly see unimaginary ganks when i browse around covert-group killboards and movies. Drop some names, post some links...

I should probably have made a new thread for this, but hrm... .

IGGVm having a grand old time in my stealth bomber. The carebear-in-a-hound has managed a couple of kills and not quite as many major stuff ups.

ItGGVs cheap and itGGVs fun, and oh so very sneaky.

Now all I need to do is muster the courage to tackle one of those sleeper-clearing T3s, rather than waiting on their following easy-target noctis.

T3's will !"$!$^"&%^*&(* you up big time! especially for only 2 bombers

T3's will !"$!$^"&%^*&(* you up big time! especially for only 2 bombers

I read a lot about solo bombers here. But I just don't get how a bomber should be able to evade or even tank light drones (which are available on every viable target for a bomber). An ABing bomber should be able to evade/minimize missile or turret damage. But it cannot outrun drones. Also a bomber cannot destroy drones. So does a MSE really help that much? Or what do I miss?

I read a lot about solo bombers here. But I just don't get how a bomber should be able to evade or even tank light drones (which are available on every viable target for a bomber). An ABing bomber should be able to evade/minimize missile or turret damage. But it cannot outrun drones. Also a bomber cannot destroy drones. So does a MSE really help that much? Or what do I miss?

I read a lot about solo bombers here. But I just don't get how a bomber should be able to evade or even tank light drones GG*

Personally I dont solo bomb, I like to watch HUGE tanked drake melt to about 8 bombers :) but if I were to solo bomb I choose larger tragets ( which I am assuming you are doing). I see the battle playing out like this:

IGGVm a noob bomber and have so far been careful to avoid T2 warriors. Mind you all T1 and T2 light drones appear fast enough to catch a bomber GG* even one running with the speed of my solo bomber. I guess the thing is whether they can catch you **and** kill you before you kill their owner.

So far my (very few) kills have been spectacular for how quickly itGGVs all over. IGGVm not sure how likely it is for me to get locked, and then for them to get their light drones out and onto me and doing enough damage, before they die.

Now had I been scrammed or point/webbed by a fast enough ship with light drones then I figure IGGVm history.



So far most of my bomber efforts have been solo. I am quite enjoying the solo bomber play, which is probably a good thing as I am actually a danger in a fleet. So far I have had an awful propensity to bomb my fleet-mates, not realising that their pointing a target meant they were going to get in-close and go for a torps-only kill. Ooops! Sorry fellas, I hope youGGVll have me back again one day.

My approach to solo ops is a little different to abissGGVs.

I have no tank mods at all, fit a MWD, and use a 30km point, so an attack goes something like this:
-Locate target;
-Tiptoe quietly to around 32km from target;
-Stop and wait for the right moment;
-Align, and at 30km uncloak, lock, gang-load point and torps, release bomb, commence orbit (28km), and (optional) engage MWD (theoretically there probably should be some overheating in here, but so far itGGVs just not happened and the engagements have not lasted long enough that itGGVs crossed my mind);
-Watch target, keep an eye on DS, pulse cap booster, and adjust accordingly.

My sig radius, with the MWD running, is that of a mid-sized cruiser. That mid-sized cruiser, however, is orbiting its target at over 2.4km per second. What that means, or at least what I hope that means, is:
-I am out of range of scram, point, and web range of the vast majority of ships GG* and I am not planning to solo tackle ships with big bonuses for those mods;
-I am outside the useful range of any turret weapons that are likely to be able to track my orbit (e.g. 425mm A/Cs can track me but I am at optimal plus 3 falloffs), and any with the range cannot track me (e.g. A/Cs larger than 425mm cannot track me);
-By the time a missile explodes near me I am somewhere else and travelling many times faster than their explosion velocity;
-Light drones can catch me and hurt me if given the time.

I donGGVt have a lot of experience, and have not yet been assailed by light drones, but I can report that cruise missiles hardly touch you and that heavy missiles do some damage but not an awful lot. IGGVve tackled a frig and the bomb did a fair bit of damage but the torps hardly touched him and he could move quickly enough to pull range and escape. IGGVm yet to try a cruiser but am looking forward to trying a tech-3 sometime soon.

My fleet ship differs from my solo only in the midslots. I fit an AB and two GGEWGGV modules GGt usually an SD and a painter. Last session I discovered that heavy missiles do deliver significant damage to that fit, but I still had enough speed to get outside point range and warp away.