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Jacob Mei
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Posted - 2008.06.23 19:51:00 -
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I found this thread posted in the New Citizens forum rather interesting. For those of you not interested in reading the lengthy post, to sum it up, the poster is part of a corporation that has been the target of a wardec by an individual that the OP knows in RL. It seems that, according to the OP, a female friend of the OP was dating the individual who had wardecd them as a result of the OPÆs girlfriend breaking up with the individual and the OPÆs corp siding with her (the thread does not state if siding with her means agreeing with her on the break up or on another subject).
According to the thread, the individual who started the wardec intends to keep it up until they (the OPÆs corp) either quit eve or change characters and disappear (an option that doesnÆt seem that bad in my opinion, seeing as all the corp members are only about 2 months old, again according to the OP).
Now, what I am interested in is where does a MMO company, as this can really happen in any MMO, stand. On one hand, if the issue is as it said it is, you have an individual customer harassing another customer or group of customers with the stated intent of getting them to quit over a conflict that started in real life. On the other hand, unless you know these individuals in real life, you canÆt take them by their word that the issue that started the grievance is what it is stated to be. The bottom line is though; you have a conflict occurring on your servers, and in many respects, on your property that may result in the loss of customers. Granted a very, very, very small amount (according to the OP, only 3 individuals), but then the question of how this will reflect on your company comes into the equation.
Does the MMO company say "we're neutral, so long as you donÆt exploit"?, "Stop harassing them in the game and settle it else where"? Or something else entirely? -------------------------------- To borrow a phrase:
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7shining7one7
Don Rico's Massive Rainbow Storage
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Posted - 2008.06.23 19:57:00 -
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Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 23/06/2008 20:06:04 an interesting dillemma, i think that as long as they are not breaking any ingame rules, then there's not much they can do..
i don't see how ccp should have any right to involve themselves in rl matters, nor should one expect ccp to have the responsibility to sort out some random rl breakup that results in an extended wardec..
ccp is a game company, not couples councellors (afaik )
so they deal with what happens in game and if it's according to the rules of the game.
similarly if there's a rl crime, ccp can't be held responsible to go fix it, that is for the local police to involve ccp in, if that becomes necessary, not the other way around.
i mean same thing can happen in game, someone sees themselves angry at someone over a corp theft or what not, and decide to drive them out of the game, it's not against the game mechanics, it's not very nice either, but it's within the frame of what eve is.
the only presedence ccp could maybe take is if there is a case of griefing, then ccp responds as they have done in the past, but as we all understand, a war dec or threatening to drive someone out of the game (see bob vs goonswarm caod) does not constitute griefing, that's simply part of the ingame war politics and ensuing taunts, which is part of what makes eve fun to play.
so sit in station or whatever, and set some long skills, let him waste the isk on the wardecs, and ride it out, or see if you can rally someone to your cause and blob the crap out of him
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft
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Posted - 2008.06.23 20:17:00 -
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Edited by: Nyphur on 23/06/2008 20:17:58
CCP wouldn't get involved. All the guy has to do is disband or leave his corp and the wardec disappears. EDIT: If he persists AFTER the wardec is dropped with repeated suicide attacks with nothing to gain from it, then it's petitionable as harassment.
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DubanFP
Four Rings Souls of Vengeance
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Posted - 2008.06.23 20:45:00 -
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Originally by: 7shining7one7 but as we all understand, a war dec or threatening to drive someone out of the game (see bob vs goonswarm caod) does not constitute griefing, that's simply part of the ingame war politics and ensuing taunts, which is part of what makes eve fun to play.
This. Personally though i'd rather laugh at the nerd rage that spawned this turn of events though. . _______________
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Kirjava
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2008.06.23 20:46:00 -
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Edited by: Kirjava on 23/06/2008 20:47:57 Never mind.
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Woodwraith
Shadows of the Dead
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Posted - 2008.06.23 21:43:00 -
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1. Train Racial cruiser V 2. Gank the hell outta the wardeccing corp 3. Tell her what she wants to hear 4. Profit!
A freeform contract demanding some unreasonable amount of isk in exchange for an agreement to not take the ex-gf out to the pub every night for a couple of weeks would help spice things up a bit as well...
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Nuala Reece
Trinity Nova Trinity Nova Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.23 22:50:00 -
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Originally by: Nyphur Edited by: Nyphur on 23/06/2008 20:17:58 If he persists AFTER the wardec is dropped with repeated suicide attacks with nothing to gain from it, then it's petitionable as harassment.
Exactly - what you're describing, Jacob, is someone harrassing people in game in response to out of game events, which is a breach of the rules of conduct outlined with the EULA. What the guy needs to do is collect evidence (emails, eve mails etc where the aggressor states his intent) and use that to back up a petition for harassment. Then CCP can take action against him instead of it being a 'his word against yours' situation.
As an aside - totally, unequivocally, unbelievably lame, petty and childish to wardec someone in a game because his pride's hurt at being dumped. The appropriate action in this case, I'd say, would be to laugh at the guy for being such a ****. Following that either start a new corp, join an alliance willing to smack him down, or hire another corp who are happy to show him how to wage war for the right reasons. Trinity Nova Mercenary Services Web Site - Nominated for the 2008 E-ON Magazine Awards |
Sarmea Moon
The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.06.24 01:28:00 -
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1) provoke her in local, tell her she was a bad lay or something:) 2) Screenshot her response when she starts foaming at the mouth. 3) Petition for bad language. 4) Profit!
PS, if you're really lucky, she'll threaten you IRL, ala Ginger M. Style, and she'll get a permaban.
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F'nog
Celestial Horizon Corp. Celestial Industrial Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.24 06:59:00 -
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This does raise interesting questions. What if the conflict is based on political, religious, or other views? What would happen if two corps started a war because they are from Northern Ireland, and one is Catholic while the other is Protestant? What if they were Jewish and Muslim corps? Should CCP step in then?
Most of you won't remember, but many years ago there was a corp whose name was the Serbian(? - some group from Yugoslavia/the Balkans) motto. Another group petitioned them for being racist. CCP changed the corp's name. Upon hearing the corp-in-question's side of things, CCP reversed their decision because there wasn't anything racist about the name. It turned out that the petitioners didn't like the corp they targeted, maybe they were losing a war, I don't remember, so they tried to hurt them with lies and misinformation.
Granted, CCP caused this problem by not hearing both sides and doing their own research, but it's clear that sometimes a company needs to step in to keep the peace under certain conditions.
Is this that different from what the OP references? I don't know. But it's something to be considered.
Fake edit - I also recall that there was a corp named the IDF for Israeli Defense Force, not long after launch. CCP changed their name because it was too politically/religiously charged to keep it.
Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari
F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
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KingsGambit
Caldari Knights
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Posted - 2008.06.24 11:09:00 -
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Originally by: F'nog What if they were Jewish and Muslim corps?
There's no 'conflict' or hate between the religions, I don't think it's appropriate to imply there are, even if indirectly. -------------
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Slade Trillgon
Siorai Iontach Brotherhood of the Spider
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Posted - 2008.06.24 16:10:00 -
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Someone made a good point in the original thread. I kept up with this one as it went. I can not remember who, but they said that if the harraser had sent any ingame messages or chat banter that hinted towards real-life situations then there would probably be a case for intervention from CCP. Otherwise it could just be some elaborate story to get rid of a legitimate war decker.
I would say lacking any real evidence that any situation like this should not be handled by the company. I mean by background, EVE is full of racisim, so unless it really crosses into real world communications or references then it is within the limits of the game.
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Micheal Dietrich
Terradyne Networks
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Posted - 2008.06.24 16:18:00 -
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Personally, I find it amusing at how butthurt the guy has to be to wardec somebody into oblivion.
IMO keep the corp around but make alts to play with and occasionaly log in with the mains so the guy keeps the dec up and wastes money for eternity.
Originally by: El'tar I WOULD WARRIOR FOR WOMAN BELONG TO ME!
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Vaclav Varada
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Posted - 2008.06.25 01:12:00 -
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Regardless of the unverifiable statements about RL controversy, stating your intent to war dec someone repeatedly and continuously target them until they quit should be considered griefing.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Metafarmers
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Posted - 2008.06.25 01:15:00 -
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If I were the guy that was getting decced, i'd send the deccing guy a letter of complaint... along with a picture of me nailing his ex
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