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Euphorida
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Posted - 2008.06.29 23:27:00 -
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Quote: Hi Ian,
Thank you for your e-mail, it is always good to get feedback.
For some time we have been offering codes for 30,50,90 and 100 day of game play. We have long wanted to attune our program to make it more straightforward and we therefore decided to change the denomination of codes offered. You are correct that the new 60 day code is more expensive than the 30 and 90 day code but I would like to point out that you can still pay the same price for the game as before by subscribing. A three month plan is the same price as a 90 day code.
I am sorry if this has caused an inconvenience for you but we don¦t have plans to change the prices at this time.
Best regards,
I have just a few things that may offer a different perspective.
Increasing the customer base does not always benefit a company. When the customer base increases the company must expand the means to support the incoming customers, i.e. Servers, Bandwidth, support personnel, etc. Having a subscription system in place lets CCP better gauge how long a player will be using their service and they can adjust expansion accordingly. GTC were developed to offer customers an alternative to using a credit card to buy a subscription.
Now you may say "Well a GTC is the same as a subscription, wouldn't CCP be able to use that to gauge expansion like a normal subscription?" However true this is in theory, there still remain some issues. GTC started being sold for ISK, and the privilege was being abused. Is it possible that CCP does not 100% agree with the selling of GTC for ISK, they merle support it to implement better controls on it? What is to stop a Corporations or Alliances from buying several GTC to fund characters that they can use to infiltrate opposing Corporations to obtain an unfair advantage? Or what happens when a relatively new player sells GTC for large amounts of ISK then makes purchases they normally would not make because they can afford it, but in doing so drives the EVE Market up making it more difficult for his peers to obtain items. Does anyone remember the article about trading ISK for real money?
While all of this is going on CCP is expanding their means to support this increased customer base, when the customer may not be there after 3 months. Also, what happens to the guy that would usually purchase a GTC but can no longer afford it because the system put it place to assist him has the prices so inflated he can no longer pay to play?
I just hope this may give more insight on the Issue at hand.
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snigg1945
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Posted - 2008.06.29 23:34:00 -
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The price hasn`t increased 33% - the dollar has dropped in value..
It sucks to be american gamers atm, but the dollar has dropped by about 1/3 in value since the financial markets came crashing because of the sub-prime fiasco..
I`ve been waiting for the GTC prices to go up for a long time. This was expected..
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Tovok Norr
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Posted - 2008.06.30 03:35:00 -
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Edited by: Tovok Norr on 30/06/2008 03:36:45 Good move CCP, now thx to your GTC move you now only get 1 paid account instead of 3 from me. I am sure more accounts will be let go depending on what the 60 Day GTC cost settles down too. Many others will be forced into canceling accounts do mainly to this foolish change.
The 30 day offered flexibility and a way for new players to step up into paying for their accounts with ISK. 150 to 200mil ISK was very doable for new players. One of the main things that attracted me to Eve was the ability to legally pay for my game play with ISK. Now you gained $3 dollars on 1 account and lost $30 from the others. In order to keep up my 3 accounts I would have had to drop near 1 bil ISK by the first of this month instead of 450 or so. Way to shoot yourself in the foot.
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Jezibel Darkdeath
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Posted - 2008.06.30 04:36:00 -
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Edited by: Jezibel Darkdeath on 30/06/2008 04:44:48
Originally by: Hrian d'Fat Edited by: Hrian d''Fat on 24/06/2008 21:13:29 Fact: 1 Euro = 1.5515 U.S. dollars
You might or might not know, but the USD and EUR costs were / are the same, so someone paying through CC in eur pays 14.95 a month, while someone else paying through CC in USD pays 14.95 a month. The only difference really is, that 14.95 USD is mere 9.63 EUR.
Now consider all those people paying from GTCs getting their 3 months at a price, thats almost half of what was intended.
It was only a matter of time before CCP had to do something.
There are just a few issues here: 1) Its a shame how they did try to PR this as a step made to make the life of someone - in our case i think it was the GTC dealers - easier, by adjusting their GTCs to some never heard standards.
2) Its ridiculous, that not only did they increase the prices, they did it twice by eliminating the 30d GTCs, esentially forcing people who pay through GTCs to buy two months even if they only want to buy one.
What CCP should have done: Tell us that the current economic situation makes it necessary to increase the prices on GTCs (why werent the USD prices bumped up on CC transactions btw?). Increase the pricing of 30 and 90d GTCs accordingly.
What CCP should still explain is why people paying in USD are paying only about half of what people paying in EUR pay. Are the europeans little piggy banks they can milk more or what?
Im pretty damn sure, that offering the same service for different prices depending on region is not considered a nice business practice, given there is no valid explanation for the difference of course.
In our case, i doubt there is any.
I think this is a clear case of negative discrimination. I DEMAND THE SAME PRICES AS U.S. CUSTOMERS GET, OR AT LEAST A CORRECT BREAKDOWN OF EXTRA COSTS INVOLVED IN SELLING THEIR SERVICE TO ME.
FACT: CCP is an ICELANDIC company NOT a Euro company. Stop comparing the US dollar to the Euro or the Pound because it HAS NO BARING.
FACT: Look up the exchange rate history between US Dollars and ISK. Since June of 2003, the US Dollar has actually GROWN STRONGER then the ISK.
/end rant
On another note.... There is and has been no justification for taking away the other increments of GTC's. If CCP was simply wanting to raise prices, why limit the customers flexibility of game play?
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Gaius Marcantilius
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Posted - 2008.06.30 05:04:00 -
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Perhaps CCP is anticipating future losses in the dollar.. just a thought.
Let's remember that CCP's secure trading system does not allow a buyer to hold and resell a timecard, so an ISK buyer can only buy game time, not real-world money. I think this makes sense from a prevention-of-fraud perspective, given the nature of timecards.
Considering the exchange rate between dollars and euros, I think it's clear that US players pay far less to subscribe, and EU players pay less to buy timecards. Right?
The result would probably be that US players favor subscription but European players favor buying timecards.
I can't help but wonder.. is that the goal? And to what end..?
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Trader Katie
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Posted - 2008.06.30 05:22:00 -
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Has anyone notice the price of gasonlie? Also have you made any complaints to the oil companies about the price?
I use to pay 15 dollars for a 30 and 39 dollars for a 90 day gtc. and now i pay 35 dollars for a 60 day. when you break it down into months my price has only gone up to $2.50 more for a 30 day and $4.50 for the 90 day so if i use 1 less gallon of gasoline that would pay for the extra cost pre month.
How many times have you ganked someone and they eve mail you with a complaint, I received some and enjoyed a good laugh. I am sure ccp would get a good laugh when you complain about not being able to afford buying your gtc with your isk. How many mmo's allow you to buy game time using ingame money?
I remember reading a post the someone got scammed the the ceo of the corp told her to war dec his corp. Why dont you war dec ccp I am sure they would like that. For those that dont want to war dec you can talk to the hand.
The only people that have a real complaint are those that are buying the gtc's with real money. The ones that complain about paying more isk for the gtc's real money is always more valuable than play money. If you honelstly belive your isk is more valuable then you should keep and the next time you go to buy gasoline see if they will take the isk for payment.
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Diggety Digg
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Posted - 2008.06.30 09:42:00 -
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What i know...
Euros pay tax when they subscribe. People from the US doesn't, therefore your options include either pretending to be US or buying GTC's with USD. (From Battleclinic for example) The US dollar (compared to my currency, SEK) has dropped by 20% over six months and the price for the game has increased by 33% according to the OP. That, in my case is a increase in cost of just 13%. Considering every human in the world suffer from increased prices in "luxury" goods such as gasoline, "nice" food and whatnot. I feel that is in line with the current development of our planet. As i see it, the only ones impacted "HARD" by this change is:
1. Those who barely can afford to play EvE in the first place (13 year olds that rather play than clean their room to earn their allowance) 2. Grinders who buy GTC's with what they can barely make in 60 days. (Stop grinding and start enjoying the GAME!) 3. IRL grinders, those who make less money.
In my case, i am in a position between 2 and 3. I have to grind at the moment because most of my spare money goes into paying off my computer and outdoor activity. But at least i see the future, i invest in MORE accounts all the time so i can become more efficient on the ISK making part. And i wouldn't do that unless i saw the opportunity to make at the very least... 300% more isk than i need to buy GTC's. So a 13% increase in price is NOTHING and eventually things will settle down.
I really hope that CCP will use their (if any) increased profits on making EvE better for all of us. This include upgrading their clusters, hiring better programmers and churning out more content for this lovely (but flawed) game.
End...
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TwIsTeDSoLdIeR
Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2008.07.03 11:44:00 -
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Originally by: Taxman helix
Originally by: TwIsTeDSoLdIeR Edited by: TwIsTeDSoLdIeR on 27/06/2008 17:26:20 The only reason why americans are paying more or seeing a larger inflation rate is because the dollar has crashed on the market. From my perspective it only has gone up ú1.50 per month -: In uk pounds for a 30 day gtc used to cost close to ú8 (ú7.9* or soemthing) via buying them in dollars (shattered crystal), then dropped for a while to about ú7. Now in uk pounds a 60 day GTC is ú17.49 ($34.99 on shattered crystal) so as u can see it only has really risen up by ú1.50-ú2 per month ($3-$4) approx 6% ?, get my drift ?
MMM do your maths again remember you are now paying $34.99 for two months instead of $38.99 for 3 months...... I dont think I need to explain that any further.
There is nothing wrong with my maths all my quotes are based on GTC ALONE in case u didnt read my post thouroughly, yes paying for subscription is always going to be lower in any form from any company but some of us dont have that luxury and our only option is paying for GAME TIME CARDS, as my post CLEARLY STATES (GTC) and based on the GTC faction alone there is a 'MINIMAL' increase in price.
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Taxman helix
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Posted - 2008.07.07 09:22:00 -
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Originally by: TwIsTeDSoLdIeR
Originally by: Taxman helix
Originally by: TwIsTeDSoLdIeR Edited by: TwIsTeDSoLdIeR on 27/06/2008 17:26:20 The only reason why americans are paying more or seeing a larger inflation rate is because the dollar has crashed on the market. From my perspective it only has gone up ú1.50 per month -: In uk pounds for a 30 day gtc used to cost close to ú8 (ú7.9* or soemthing) via buying them in dollars (shattered crystal), then dropped for a while to about ú7. Now in uk pounds a 60 day GTC is ú17.49 ($34.99 on shattered crystal) so as u can see it only has really risen up by ú1.50-ú2 per month ($3-$4) approx 6% ?, get my drift ?
MMM do your maths again remember you are now paying $34.99 for two months instead of $38.99 for 3 months...... I dont think I need to explain that any further.
There is nothing wrong with my maths all my quotes are based on GTC ALONE in case u didnt read my post thouroughly, yes paying for subscription is always going to be lower in any form from any company but some of us dont have that luxury and our only option is paying for GAME TIME CARDS, as my post CLEARLY STATES (GTC) and based on the GTC faction alone there is a 'MINIMAL' increase in price.
ok pure and simple @ $39.00 for 90 days = 360 days @ a cost of $156
@$35.00 for 60 days = 360 days @ a cost of $210
which is an increase of $54 or as near a 33% increase.
If I subscribe via direct debit I would save money on the EU price , but I would still pay more than someone paying in the us.
The main issue as I see it , Is why as a European should I pay more to play the game than someone in the US The game is the same , it is delivered in the same electronic format. Why should there be a descrepency in prices. Interestingly as we are discussing this , Microsoft are facing huge fines in the UE for charging EU countries at a higher rate for the same products , than they charge in the US. I wonder how much it would efect CCP if a similar ruling was to hit them......
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sh4rp ov3rvolt
Hikage Corporation Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2008.07.07 12:53:00 -
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Friendly bump.
and yay! Now I can't get enough isk to afford a second account... tnx CCP
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Brekk
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Posted - 2008.07.07 13:02:00 -
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Ummmm Is not the cost of the game that went up... is the cost of the time cards. You must realise that there are alot more expenses involved in selling the cards vs. getting the money directly from a credit card.
Until now, it was actually cheaper to buy a 90 card vs paying monthly with a credit card. and this was changed.
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praznimrak
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Posted - 2008.07.07 13:09:00 -
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Lets get clear. Noobody is playing for free.PPL who play whith gtc that thay did buy for isk r not playing for free.Cose CCP did get ther money from person that did buy GTC in store.So there is no free playing.CCp always get their money.And this is not abouth market demand and stuff.Price did go up cos of CCP.Thay did raise the price.So your answer is that.CCP wants more money.It is not abouth them having more expencis,it is about them wanting more and more. So........
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Atesteria
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Posted - 2008.07.07 13:29:00 -
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The real problem isent really CCP only. Its actualy the players that are selling the GTC that are greedy. An old 90 day GTC used to cost about 370 mill for the price of 39$ So you sould be abel to get a 60 day 35$ for (370/39)*35 = 332 Mill. Thats if we follow the dollar price
If we check how much CCP raised the price we get (39/90) = 0.433333 (35/60) = 0.583333 (0.58333/0.433333) = 1.346 Thas a rais of about 34.6% form CCP But the players buying GTC desided to rais the price even more..... 400 mill is what i se a 60 day GTC go for (400/332) = 20.5% rais So players are also trying to get an extra 20.5% more
So the final rais is really (370/90)*60 = 247 mill (old GTC)
CCP + players = 400/247 = 62% rais
Lets not forget now ccp added 34.6% to the price while players added 20.5% creating the extrem rais in GTC prices with a wooping 62%
If you compare this to the OLD 30day GTC CCP only raised the price by 16.7% but here again comes the players. Players want 250 mill for 30 days. I think it was about 150 in the old days? So the players want a (250/150)= 67% more for the old 30 day GTC
(15*2) = 30$ for 60 days (35/30)= 16.7%
So to finalize CCP raised the prices about 16.7-34.6% and players wanted also to rais the prices above the original by 20-70% and they did hehe.
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Vanessa Angelbreath
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Posted - 2008.07.07 13:48:00 -
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Edited by: Vanessa Angelbreath on 07/07/2008 13:49:05 whatever happened and whatever ccp has to do with this or the gtc sellers have to do with this: IT HAS TO STOP!
tell me a liar but i think that very very much people playing eve do not have a work or they have a work thats payed bad because they cannot work that long. i assume this because eve is a complex game that really takes time to get something done. peoples working all day long cant affort this time. so thats why they buy the cards (because they have the real money) that they sell on the forums to get their isk (that the workless people farm in eve - in one way or another). if the prices are going higher and higher it just will happen that people without work (which in my opinion will be the most because of the fact that eve just takes much time) will slowly begin to quit this game since it is almost impossible to get the iskies done and still have time to PLAY this game.
so i really hope that this is just a simple high for the moment and calms down in some weeks. because otherwise ccp will loose player for sure. and after a while only those china macro farmers are left in the universe ^^
make the game affordable again! wake up ccp!
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Nuquerna Dae
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Posted - 2008.07.07 13:51:00 -
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Aye, prices on things seem to go nuts lately,
Steel prices went up 48% in 3 months, we pay Euro 1,60, which is almost $ 2,50 for a liter of fuel, not a gallon. Food is rediculously priced, etc.. However, most of these things came bit by bit, not in a 33% leap plus obliging players to buy GTC's for 60 days only.
The other weird thing still... from Europe you get a subscription by CC and pay X dollars per month, now i use the same CC and buy GTC's in dollars and im saving money... Usually when u get a subscription on something, it gets cheaper than buying separate codes or time rentals.
In short... they should have done 1 thing at a time... first increase prices... let it cool down... change codes..
I think CCP will loose lotsa 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th account holders...
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ClearCopy
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Posted - 2008.07.07 14:22:00 -
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Well from my 3 Accounts down to 1 bcoz of this price increase in GTC goodluck to any 1 who has alot of toons I guess some of eve players realized GTC have increase so much in their value and also in ISK value :)
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Warwick Hunt
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Posted - 2008.07.07 15:20:00 -
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Edited by: Warwick Hunt on 07/07/2008 15:21:25 I'm giving serious thought to quitting in a couple of weeks. Sure I have 93 days left and enuf ISK for another 60 days.
My real problem is thinking about that inevitable brick wall I will hit in 93/153 days when I can't get another GTC 'cause demand is higher than supply. Why is demand higher than supply? Someone buying 2x 30d GTC could trade with 2 players. 1x 60d can support only 1. Those that used to trade 1x 30d per month and can't afford 60d GTC have stopped trading.
I'm also thinking about the effects this will have on the game. The way I see it things will go one of two ways for players who have stopped trading GTCs.
1). They'll stop getting involved in the things that cost ISK so they don't need to raise extra from GTC. In short - no more faction war for some players. No more frontline action etc. Overall game suffers.
2). They'll opt to buy ISK off the farmers and continue playing as before. In short a niche has been made for ISK sellers to exploit. Game still suffers.
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Beldaws
Gallente Me and My Alts
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Posted - 2008.07.07 20:06:00 -
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This price change will make me reduce my number of accounts from 7 down to 3.
I've already deleted all my crappy alts and will be merging the characters that I want to keep alive onto my remaining accounts at the end of their current subscription.
I hate having to pay CCP to move the characters but in the long run it will save me a lot of isk. I can only run 3 accounts at a time anyway.
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TheChadster
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Posted - 2008.07.07 20:21:00 -
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isk sellers were complaining there chinese farmers were gettign underpaid. so ccp increased the rl value of isk.
So let's all be a little bit social minded and think about the poor chinese farmers who need this price increase to buy their daily bowl of rice.
Alternatively : looking forward to jumpgate evolution to put some pressure on CCP and to prevent these kind of outrageous and obviously abusive price increases.
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john roe
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.07.07 20:31:00 -
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Originally by: TheChadster isk sellers were complaining there chinese farmers were gettign underpaid. so ccp increased the rl value of isk.
So let's all be a little bit social minded and think about the poor chinese farmers who need this price increase to buy their daily bowl of rice.
Alternatively : looking forward to jumpgate evolution to put some pressure on CCP and to prevent these kind of outrageous and obviously abusive price increases.
...and since we got a legal RL money <-> ISK counter if selling/buying ISK for RL money is... illegal?
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SiR3N
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Posted - 2008.07.07 21:37:00 -
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Look at the servergraph, that's some serious nose diving there.
Linkage
CCP just sent out 14 free days to all closed accounts so that explains the recent little blip. I'm sure they'll see that all the game killing lag is gone, all time sinking repetitive tasks have been turned into interactive challenges and the carrots on sticks have been flavored with stimulating joy juice. Yay, they're all coming back! \o/
A game time card should provide a discount for investing in future play. Stephen Hawkings would help, but he thinks this game is sofa king we tard id.
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origPumu
D U F F
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Posted - 2008.07.07 21:59:00 -
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[bump] OrigPumu feels sad... [/bump] What should I do, what should I say? Choose Your weapon, TIME TO PLAY! |
Alyx Farstrider
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Posted - 2008.07.07 22:02:00 -
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Originally by: Taxman helix
ok pure and simple @ $39.00 for 90 days = 360 days @ a cost of $156
@$35.00 for 60 days = 360 days @ a cost of $210
which is an increase of $54 or as near a 33% increase.
But your euros/pounds are buying more dollars now, which is the point of the post you're replying to.
For me, it's cheaper to buy a GTC in dollars than it is to subscribe in euros.
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Chzandri
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Posted - 2008.07.07 22:57:00 -
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Originally by: SiR3N Look at the servergraph, that's some serious nose diving there.
Linkage
CCP just sent out 14 free days to all closed accounts so that explains the recent little blip. I'm sure they'll see that all the game killing lag is gone, all time sinking repetitive tasks have been turned into interactive challenges and the carrots on sticks have been flavored with stimulating joy juice. Yay, they're all coming back! \o/
A game time card should provide a discount for investing in future play. Stephen Hawkings would help, but he thinks this game is sofa king we tard id.
If you watched the graph closely you'd see that the dive started way be before the GTC changes and even before the announcement of GTC changes, in April, when the wonderful spring weather hit.
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Belmarduk
Amarr de Prieure Four Elements
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Posted - 2008.07.08 08:49:00 -
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Yep 33% rise way ****es me off. 350 mio is the max I will pay for 60 days - thats a bloody increase anyway - Now people try to sell them for over 400 mio.... If you dont need the gtc urgently DONT buy them - lets make the greedy people drop the prices first ! CCP Please give us casual players a Skill-Queue !
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Sophia Stormbringer
Lightning Technologies
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Posted - 2008.07.08 10:56:00 -
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It's no longer 33%, its more like 62% now and still steadily going up. I will definitely no longer be able to sustain my gametime with isk, and I really don't know if I want to invest the little money i got into my more or less idle account. The additional accounts I planning to create are basically scrapped now.
Bottom line is ccp earns a lot less money through me.
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xavier zomg
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Posted - 2008.07.08 11:10:00 -
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CCP is trying to reduce the isk market, that is why they increased the cost of gtc but not the other ways of payment, so ppl will buy less isk. ....and also they want more money
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Mesrin's dame
Steel Brethren
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Posted - 2008.07.08 11:19:00 -
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As usual GM's are no where to be heard/seen when it comes to work with the public. As this is not a 3 post topic I doubt they overlooked it. So i trully agree with most of you guys and I to have been HIT by this price increase, but I say either they "change the change" or start collecting "change" from the 1/3 of ACTIVE acc they had before.
Either way its better for them, if they come to realize it Timing is everything, always try to be fashionably late |
Zark off
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Posted - 2008.07.08 11:20:00 -
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60 GTC should go for 400mil and 450mil and thats cheap
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Mesrin's dame
Steel Brethren
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Posted - 2008.07.08 11:24:00 -
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Originally by: Zark off 60 GTC should go for 400mil and 450mil and thats cheap
I guess you have lots of RL money. Some dont! Timing is everything, always try to be fashionably late |
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