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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.06.25 10:57:00 -
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Dear Caldari Militia. It has come to my attention that you have been sucking entirely too much at PvP, and have been therefore spamming my forums with whine. I would therefore like to share with you this cunning master plan for 'how not to suck'. The important point is you start on the fitting screen, and your ship setup. You then need to ensure you've made a fleet, not a blob. You also do not need deadweight in your fleet - bring what you can is acceptable, but don't consider that a substitute for having someone useful. They get to be bait, or maybe a scout if they're not a fool. If someone is a fool, or otherwise refuses to be a team player, you should dispense with them too. Even if it is the FC.
Bring an approximately equal mix of:
Raptors: 3x 75mm rails 1mn MWD, Warp disruptor, web. Overdrive, 2 nanofibers.
(If you're feeling rich, rig it)
Blackbirds/Falcons/Rooks. Assault Missile launchers in the highslots (ideally T2 with precisions) 10mn MWD, mix of racial jammers (if you're sure who you're fighting and what they're flying tweak accordingly) 1x SDA, 1x 1600mm plate.
Again, rig if you're feeling rich.
Ravens: Cruise missile launchers, Heavy neutraliser, large shield transporter. 100mn MWD, 2x LSE, 2x Invuln, Sensor booster (targeting speed) 3x Ballistic controls, 1x damage control, 1x Warded Gravimetric Sensor backup.
Rigs wise, resistance rigs are cheap and good.
Bring remote shield rep drones, and warriors on the Ravens.
Other ships might be acceptable substitutes for some of these - most races interceptors work fine, as do rifters and vigils. Falcons, Rooks and Scorpions can pretend to be blackbirds with a bigger price tag. (Scorps should be fit to neutralise and shield transfer. They should have a shield hardener or two fit, and a sensor booster to make up for the fact they lock slower than cruisers do)
What you do:
Tackle stuff with the tacklers. Shoot them with the Ravens. Jam them with the Blackbirds.
When facing a non-trivially sized enemy: Blackbirds start jamming targets starting from their letter in the alphabet. If there's multiple people starting with teh same letter, then one jams up, one jams down alphabetically. Match racials wherever you can, if necessary skipping over a few.
Ravens hold formation with each other. Use gang broadcasts (hotkey this) to lock the person getting shot, and repair them with your drones, and shield transporter.
Neut anything hostile that comes close enough, but otherwise rely upon your tacklers.
tacklers: Get a point and web on whatever the FC calls primary, and laugh as a volley of cruise missiles disappear up it's tailpipe and it vanishes.
FC: Call targets. Start with 'interferance' such as recons, ewar ships. Then... hell, you could probably do worse than work through the enemy gang in alphabetical order. If something seems to not be dying, switch target. Call a primary, secondary and tertiary, so all your pilots know what order things are dying in. And appoint a secondary, and tertiary to continue target calling for when you die or have to warp. -- Crane needs more grid 249km locking? |
James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.06.25 10:57:00 -
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Dear Caldari Militia. It has come to my attention that you have been sucking entirely too much at PvP, and have been therefore spamming my forums with whine. I would therefore like to share with you this cunning master plan for 'how not to suck'. The important point is you start on the fitting screen, and your ship setup. You then need to ensure you've made a fleet, not a blob. You also do not need deadweight in your fleet - bring what you can is acceptable, but don't consider that a substitute for having someone useful. They get to be bait, or maybe a scout if they're not a fool. If someone is a fool, or otherwise refuses to be a team player, you should dispense with them too. Even if it is the FC.
Bring an approximately equal mix of:
Raptors: 3x 75mm rails 1mn MWD, Warp disruptor, web. Overdrive, 2 nanofibers.
(If you're feeling rich, rig it)
Blackbirds/Falcons/Rooks. Assault Missile launchers in the highslots (ideally T2 with precisions) 10mn MWD, mix of racial jammers (if you're sure who you're fighting and what they're flying tweak accordingly) 1x SDA, 1x 1600mm plate.
Again, rig if you're feeling rich.
Ravens: Cruise missile launchers, Heavy neutraliser, large shield transporter. 100mn MWD, 2x LSE, 2x Invuln, Sensor booster (targeting speed) 3x Ballistic controls, 1x damage control, 1x Warded Gravimetric Sensor backup.
Rigs wise, resistance rigs are cheap and good.
Bring remote shield rep drones, and warriors on the Ravens.
Other ships might be acceptable substitutes for some of these - most races interceptors work fine, as do rifters and vigils. Falcons, Rooks and Scorpions can pretend to be blackbirds with a bigger price tag. (Scorps should be fit to neutralise and shield transfer. They should have a shield hardener or two fit, and a sensor booster to make up for the fact they lock slower than cruisers do)
What you do:
Tackle stuff with the tacklers. Shoot them with the Ravens. Jam them with the Blackbirds.
When facing a non-trivially sized enemy: Blackbirds start jamming targets starting from their letter in the alphabet. If there's multiple people starting with teh same letter, then one jams up, one jams down alphabetically. Match racials wherever you can, if necessary skipping over a few.
Ravens hold formation with each other. Use gang broadcasts (hotkey this) to lock the person getting shot, and repair them with your drones, and shield transporter.
Neut anything hostile that comes close enough, but otherwise rely upon your tacklers.
tacklers: Get a point and web on whatever the FC calls primary, and laugh as a volley of cruise missiles disappear up it's tailpipe and it vanishes.
FC: Call targets. Start with 'interferance' such as recons, ewar ships. Then... hell, you could probably do worse than work through the enemy gang in alphabetical order. If something seems to not be dying, switch target. Call a primary, secondary and tertiary, so all your pilots know what order things are dying in. And appoint a secondary, and tertiary to continue target calling for when you die or have to warp. -- Crane needs more grid 249km locking? |
Kraleak
Induseng Enterprises R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.06.25 11:03:00 -
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+1.
Posting in a JAAAMES LYYRUUSSS topic.
Quote: Originally by: CCP Prism X omgomgomgomg....gag me with a SPOON!
Quote:
Originally by: CCP Prism X devs are tasty treats
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Kraleak
Induseng Enterprises R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.06.25 11:03:00 -
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Edited by: Kraleak on 25/06/2008 11:10:40 Edited by: Kraleak on 25/06/2008 11:08:50 +1.
Posting in a JAAAMES LYYRUUSSS topic.
Also, advice for FCs: After you deal with EW, if you are in a small gang (2-3 squads max.) After killing their jammers, you should focus on any recons (other EW - TDs, Damps, Recons), and direct your EW to jam up their DPS, and then you primary their tacklers.
Tacklers are easy to kill, cruicial, and any fleet losing tacklers can't hold much down.
Quote: Originally by: CCP Prism X omgomgomgomg....gag me with a SPOON!
Quote:
Originally by: CCP Prism X devs are tasty treats
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Neaghan Grebs
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.06.25 11:07:00 -
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Yeah it does seem to be a bit of x up and blob at the moment. Hopefully things will improve, either that or i join a corp running ops so it's easier to find a small gang to play in.
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Hoder Daynari
0utbreak
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Posted - 2008.06.25 11:08:00 -
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I endorse this product !
(dont nerf my nano's plz )
Btw, if caldari dont know how powerfull a dozen of ravens are with remote shield transporters, watch IXC House of Prawn 3! link !
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shanda captison
The Littlest Hobos
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Posted - 2008.06.25 11:08:00 -
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<3 James
Originally by: James Lyrus
FC: Call targets. Start with 'interferance' such as recons, ewar ships. Then... hell, you could probably do worse than work through the enemy gang in alphabetical order. If something seems to not be dying, switch target. Call a primary, secondary and tertiary, so all your pilots know what order things are dying in. And appoint a secondary, and tertiary to continue target calling for when you die or have to warp.
The Algey tactic tbh! A -> Z! Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected]) |
Rhanna Khurin
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Posted - 2008.06.25 11:09:00 -
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Good tactics, i approve
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Sarin Adler
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.06.25 11:17:00 -
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While thios post is 'win', and I don't agree with all the nano-crap threads, it's funny how only Caldari have to organise to fight effectivelly and others can blob so well.
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northwesten
Trinity Corporate Services
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Posted - 2008.06.25 11:21:00 -
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I guess i have to give this a try :)
Trinity Corporate Services
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Gypsio III
Bambooule
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Posted - 2008.06.25 11:21:00 -
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Edited by: Gypsio III on 25/06/2008 11:26:24 Bringing 2 or 3 Basilisks will also help to keep your tacklers alive, and it'll take a lot to break the remote-rep circletoss of, say, 3 Basilisks and 5 shield-transferring Ravens, all with ECCM. Even Ospreys have a STA range bonus that will help tacklers close to you.
Do not fit Heavy Missile Launchers on your Caracals. Always fit Assault Missile Launcher IIs with Precision Lights, and train Target Navigation Prediction to IV immediately. Ten Caracals will deliver 50 Precision Lights every 5-6 seconds, hitting an unpimped nanocruiser for full damage. That will hurt. Heavy missiles will not. Use kinetic missiles against Minnie HACs/recons, EM missiles against other races' nanocruisers.
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Xennith
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.06.25 11:22:00 -
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Originally by: Sarin Adler While thios post is 'win', and I don't agree with all the nano-crap threads, it's funny how only Caldari have to organise to fight effectivelly and others can blob so well.
caldari have a high proportion of newer players tbh. minmatar have some really great pvpers, as do amarr (even if they are lacking in numbers in certain timezones) and the gallente have some really experienced corps from what i can tell.
from the conversations on SHC and here, it seems that the caldari would benefit most from a poke in the chest with a sharp stick. We come for our people |
kill0rbunny
Jagdkommando RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.25 11:28:00 -
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Originally by: Sarin Adler While thios post is 'win', and I don't agree with all the nano-crap threads, it's funny how only Caldari have to organise to fight effectivelly and others can blob so well.
That's because you're easily the worst organized bunch that ever touched the server.
Plz do what the op says and start pwning caldari style.
Go places. Kill people. |
Rhanna Khurin
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Posted - 2008.06.25 11:31:00 -
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Originally by: kill0rbunny
Originally by: Sarin Adler While thios post is 'win', and I don't agree with all the nano-crap threads, it's funny how only Caldari have to organise to fight effectivelly and others can blob so well.
That's because you're easily the worst organized bunch that ever touched the server.
Plz do what the op says and start pwning caldari style.
I want your killboard sig lol
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van Uber
Swedish Aerospace Inc Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2008.06.25 11:58:00 -
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This should be mandatory reading before entering the Caldari Militia.
Excellent post
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Corewin
Shadow Contingency
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Posted - 2008.06.25 11:59:00 -
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Originally by: James Lyrus Dear Caldari Militia. It has come to my attention that you have been sucking entirely too much at PvP, and have been therefore spamming my forums with whine. I would therefore like to share with you this cunning master plan for 'how not to suck'.
lol wut?
If you were a panda I would hug you.
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Elirel
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Posted - 2008.06.25 12:10:00 -
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Just gather 2 billions and send it as an alliance mail and it will stay there forever. So every noob can read it anytime.
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Dihania
Mucho Dolor
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Posted - 2008.06.25 12:13:00 -
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Edited by: Dihania on 25/06/2008 12:13:38 posting in a "how not to suck" by James Lyrus. I endorse this product
. EVE: "The Hand-holding Age". I need isk!Accepting donations. Renting sig space.Taking various jobs. |
Kelli Flay
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Posted - 2008.06.25 12:24:00 -
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Got to love these threads where the OPer tries to "educate" people on how to deal with something that is unbalanced because they are so afraid it will get nerfed.
Fail.
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Tippia
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.06.25 12:29:00 -
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Originally by: Kelli Flay Got to love these threads where the OPer tries to "educate" people on how to deal with something that is unbalanced because they are so afraid it will get nerfed.
Fail.
Got to love these threads where responders refuse to take in perfectly useful advice to deal with common threats.
Fail.
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Xennith
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.06.25 12:29:00 -
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Originally by: Kelli Flay Got to love these threads where the OPer tries to "educate" people on how to deal with something that is unbalanced because they are so afraid it will get nerfed.
Fail.
im going to assume that you're talking about nanoships? because the OP didnt mention them. We come for our people |
Dihania
Mucho Dolor
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Posted - 2008.06.25 12:32:00 -
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Originally by: Kelli Flay Got to love these threads where the OPer tries to "educate" people on how to deal with something that is unbalanced because they are so afraid it will get nerfed.
Fail.
reading comprehention FTL.
. EVE: "The Hand-holding Age". I need isk!Accepting donations. Renting sig space.Taking various jobs. |
Kelli Flay
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Posted - 2008.06.25 12:38:00 -
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Originally by: Dihania
Originally by: Kelli Flay Got to love these threads where the OPer tries to "educate" people on how to deal with something that is unbalanced because they are so afraid it will get nerfed.
Fail.
reading comprehention FTL.
Mr. Idiot, You should learn how to spell "comprehension" {or at least get a spell checker} before you question someone's ability to comprehend.
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Kelli Flay
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Posted - 2008.06.25 12:39:00 -
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Originally by: Xennith
Originally by: Kelli Flay Got to love these threads where the OPer tries to "educate" people on how to deal with something that is unbalanced because they are so afraid it will get nerfed.
Fail.
im going to assume that you're talking about nanoships? because the OP didnt mention them.
I never said that word here. Paranoid about something?
Assuming is for idiots btw.
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Tippia
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.06.25 12:40:00 -
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Originally by: Kelli Flay I never said that word here. Paranoid about something?
So what, exactly, is the OP trying to keep from getting nerfed?
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Xennith
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.06.25 12:43:00 -
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Originally by: Kelli Flay
I never said that word here. Paranoid about something?
Assuming is for idiots btw.
your post history displays a lot of complaints about nanos being broken, but im willing to admit when im wrong. so please. enlighten me, what exactly do you think is broken and being defended in this thread if it is not nanos? We come for our people |
Pychian Vanervi
Personal Vendetta Vendetta Alliance.
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Posted - 2008.06.25 12:43:00 -
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I am just posting in the first thread I have fully read about FW.
Caldari sucking, is that just an obvious statement no matter how big the blob? Caldari ships make up maybe 10-15% of PvP compared to the other races. So shows they have to contend with harder ships to use and thus Noobs and more experienced alike are going to end up with a lesser fleet.
I am not 100% sure of the rules of engagement yet and what can be used but if its just racial ship types then no wonder Caldari suck.
Pick any ship class and place Caldari in the top 2-3 I am sure it cant be done... prove me wrong happy to accept.
I am about to join this fray and just see what fun it will be.... if any at all, so reading up about my sucky faction.
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It's all about the fortune and glory, fortune and glory![/b]
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Xennith
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.06.25 12:46:00 -
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Originally by: Pychian Vanervi
Pick any ship class and place Caldari in the top 2-3 I am sure it cant be done... prove me wrong happy to accept.
Recons:
Falcon, Rapier, everything else.
Interceptors:
Crow, Taranis, Stilleto, We come for our people |
Kelli Flay
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Posted - 2008.06.25 12:47:00 -
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Originally by: Xennith
Originally by: Kelli Flay
I never said that word here. Paranoid about something?
Assuming is for idiots btw.
your post history displays a lot of complaints about nanos being broken, but im willing to admit when im wrong. so please. enlighten me, what exactly do you think is broken and being defended in this thread if it is not nanos?
Huh? You need the original post explained to you? I don't understand what your malfunction is.
Its a good thing you looked up my post history as well.
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Kirana Si
House of Lubrication
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Posted - 2008.06.25 12:49:00 -
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Edited by: Kirana Si on 25/06/2008 12:49:34
Originally by: Kelli Flay
Originally by: Xennith
Originally by: Kelli Flay
I never said that word here. Paranoid about something?
Assuming is for idiots btw.
your post history displays a lot of complaints about nanos being broken, but im willing to admit when im wrong. so please. enlighten me, what exactly do you think is broken and being defended in this thread if it is not nanos?
Huh? You need the original post explained to you? I don't understand what your malfunction is.
Its a good thing you looked up my post history as well.
Why dont you lose a Caracal over it ?
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