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Uncle Mo
Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2008.06.25 23:20:00 -
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Since it's already perfectly legal to purchase GTC's and sell them for ISK, I'm wondering how feasable it would be to allow players to purchase EVE store credits and sell those for ISK. I wouldn't mind having one of the new map books and possibly a magazine subscription, but I'd rather pay ISK for them if I could. What say you CCP? You'd end up generating more revenue in your store, and it might make some of the players that are disgruntled over the 60day GTC limitation, happy.
All you have to do is tie the store with people's accounts, and then allow the sale of EVE store Gift Cards. You could come up with fixed denomination like $10 $25 and $50 in respective currencies. I think a lot more people would buy things from the EVE store if they could use ISK. --------------------------------------------- Official US ambassador to the UK.
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Jenny Spitfire
LoneStar Industries Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2008.06.25 23:25:00 -
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This porposal have good brans. And if it werks than maybe when we habe Eve VISA, we can habe ISKS LP wehn we use Eve VISA to buy.
Kool. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria!
Go vote! Put voice for silent majority. LOVE PVP, HATE grief |
Asuka Smith
The Defias Brotherhood DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2008.06.25 23:35:00 -
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I support this proposal and would spend a LOT of ISK on store items (I could go for a cap that I only had to mine a few hours to get)
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Aslord
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Posted - 2008.06.25 23:43:00 -
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its a great idea, but i see a couple reason why ccp would never do this:
1. it cost real money make the products.
2. gtc sell will go down (revenue for ccp)
so they lose money, make so sense to them.
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Uncle Mo
Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2008.06.26 00:01:00 -
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Originally by: Aslord its a great idea, but i see a couple reason why ccp would never do this:
1. it cost real money make the products.
2. gtc sell will go down (revenue for ccp)
so they lose money, make so sense to them.
I disagree. They will still be getting real money for the products. People ALWAYS need GTC's. It doesn't matter what the ISK price fot the GTC is, they will still sell. --------------------------------------------- Official US ambassador to the UK.
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Andrian Caldar
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Posted - 2008.06.26 00:32:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire This porposal have good brans. And if it werks than maybe when we habe Eve VISA, we can habe ISKS LP wehn we use Eve VISA to buy.
Kool.
Alright - now I really have to ask: Jenny Spitfire, do you intentionally screw up every single word you type here on the forums(and if so WHY??), or are you just suffereing from extreme dyslexia...?
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MidnightMatriarch
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Posted - 2008.06.26 00:45:00 -
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I support this idea, I'd like a nice strategic map and a hoodie, but don't want to be paying the cost. (seriously that hoodie is expensive)
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Asuka Smith
The Defias Brotherhood DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2008.06.26 00:55:00 -
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Originally by: Aslord its a great idea, but i see a couple reason why ccp would never do this:
1. it cost real money make the products.
2. gtc sell will go down (revenue for ccp)
so they lose money, make so sense to them.
I hope you are a troll, otherwise you fail so hard at reading comprehension.
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Viqtoria
Groping Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2008.06.26 00:55:00 -
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if you put too much salt on the chips your customers won't be thirsty they'll be sick.
if you put too much salt on the chips your customers won't be thirsty they'll be sick.
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Apoctasy
The Python Cartel
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Posted - 2008.06.26 00:56:00 -
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Originally by: Viqtoria if you put too much salt on the chips your customers won't be thirsty they'll be sick.
if you put too much salt on the chips your customers won't be thirsty they'll be sick.
if you put too much salt on the chips your customers won't be thirsty they'll be sick.
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Aslord
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Posted - 2008.06.26 01:01:00 -
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Originally by: Asuka Smith
Originally by: Aslord its a great idea, but i see a couple reason why ccp would never do this:
1. it cost real money make the products.
2. gtc sell will go down (revenue for ccp)
so they lose money, make so sense to them.
I hope you are a troll, otherwise you fail so hard at reading comprehension.
i dont much about econ (only pass the second grade), but i figure the more thing goes up in price, the less you sale. i sorry for my faulty reasoning. my bad
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Orb Lati
ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.26 01:18:00 -
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The potential problem with using isk to by real life assets is that those assets could then be sold for real money which is completely against the EULA.
IE Player A buys store credits with credit card. Player A sells those credits for ISK to Player B. Player B uses credits to buy items. Player B then on sells items for money on Ebay.
The GTC are effective since they are a closed trade within CCPs database. Player B cant on sell time without also trading for ISK.
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Aslord
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Posted - 2008.06.26 01:27:00 -
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Originally by: Orb Lati The potential problem with using isk to by real life assets is that those assets could then be sold for real money which is completely against the EULA.
IE Player A buys store credits with credit card. Player A sells those credits for ISK to Player B. Player B uses credits to buy items. Player B then on sells items for money on Ebay.
The GTC are effective since they are a closed trade within CCPs database. Player B cant on sell time without also trading for ISK.
genius, with the new isk sink, will stuff cost more or less.
studying for my eveoilogy degree.
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ShardowRhino
Legion 0f The Damned
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Posted - 2008.06.26 01:30:00 -
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Man, I brought this up MONTHS ago. Selling eve store items or eve store credit instead of just gtcs,how it would work, all that crap months ago.
The reason it COULD work is that GTCs would simply be an option for the player to purchase with isk. Provided that another player plunks down X amount of RL money into eve-s credits instead of the traditional GTC.
The guy looking to trade his RL money for isk will still be paying X amount of RL money and getting a fair exchange in isk. The guy buying the Eve-s credits(in place of gtc) will still be paying a fair amount of isk when compared to the RL money being traded. CCP will be in the middle of it all.
Since CCP will be in the middle of this exchange, CCP will still generate revenue. RL money is still being sent to CCP for Eve-s credits just like a gtc. Sure the items cost money to make but ccp isn't going to be taking any sort of loss either. The items are prices to cover the cost of production + profit(something most you nubs know nothing about in game).
Why this should have been considered months ago by CCP is the fact that when you increase the breadth of available purchases,the larger your customer base becomes. I would also like an EVe mug and keychain but have other things I NEED to use any RL money on, so those purchases are put on hold indeffintely. Said eve mug+keychain therefore sits there generating no revenue for CCP. HAD ccp made the change i would have traded isk to another player who would purchase eve-store credits to trade with me.
I already pay for my accounts using isk so until 3 months go by i have no reason to purchase anything else as things are now. That doesn't mean there are players that aren't looking to trade RL money for isk,in a legit way that GTCs provided.Now if i could get the mug and keychain i want by trading isk that would likely increase the number of sales that CCP would make since I would be on the market for EVE-S credits and any number of other players needing isk can then trade with me before my 90days are up.
Theres always a constant need for isk. Theres always isk being generated. Theres is only so many accounts a single person wants. That means theres only a finite number of gtcs to be sold per month. Evestore credits allowing us to purchase eve products will without a doubt increase the movement of eve products. THat will generate revenue for ccp. That will also allow them to free up more money to make other items that they might be holding back on based on the sales of current eve items.
As i said before, I would like to have a Ferox model/paperweight,either painted or plain so i can do it how i want. Plastic or metal or even wood or something else, i want a ferox at least the size of a soda can. Will we ever see such items without Eve store items really generating revenue thus justifying the risk needed to design and produce other eve products that we want?
The only difficulty would be shipping costs. However that could be covered by purchasing additional eve-s credits equal to shippping costs of the item to its destination. Or it could simply be that the eve-s buyer can pay for the shipping with RL money. All in all not much of a problem.
CCP gets $, Eve-scred seller gets isk,isk seller gets the precious.
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Uncle Mo
Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2008.06.26 01:32:00 -
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Originally by: Orb Lati The potential problem with using isk to by real life assets is that those assets could then be sold for real money which is completely against the EULA.
IE Player A buys store credits with credit card. Player A sells those credits for ISK to Player B. Player B uses credits to buy items. Player B then on sells items for money on Ebay.
The GTC are effective since they are a closed trade within CCPs database. Player B cant on sell time without also trading for ISK.
--------------------------------------------- Official US ambassador to the UK.
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ShardowRhino
Legion 0f The Damned
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Posted - 2008.06.26 01:50:00 -
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Originally by: Orb Lati The potential problem with using isk to by real life assets is that those assets could then be sold for real money which is completely against the EULA.
IE Player A buys store credits with credit card. Player A sells those credits for ISK to Player B. Player B uses credits to buy items. Player B then on sells items for money on Ebay.
The GTC are effective since they are a closed trade within CCPs database. Player B cant on sell time without also trading for ISK.
This really isn't the problem at all. As it is I could purchase the items directly from CCP and resell them on ebay. I'm sure if i buy enough at once i would save on shipping which can be translated into profits on the resell. I could also tweak the shipping costs from me to the buyer(within the U.S. preferably) so that they would save on shipping by buying from me,yet i still make some money off of inflated shipping costs(even though its less then CCP to customer).
What someone does with an item they purchase from ccp should be up to them. THe problem with the eula is if someone sells t2 ships on ebay, the money goes from the buyer to the seller and ebay gets their taste. In case you missed it, ccp does not get their taste within that transaction. Also ccp never created some RL monetary value of a t2 ship ,of course players could come up with a simple formula on how much isk = RL money based on GTC sell prices.
SINCE CCP would be involved in this transaction and profiting off of it, there shouldn't be any problems with the eula. The eula itself should not even come into play as its an out of game item sold in the evestore,not in jita. The buyer of store cred is paying CCP an amount of RL money that is equal to the production cost of eve item + X amount of profit that is set by ccp itself. The guy that buys the credits with isk is doing nothing different then a gtc buyer other then what he gets for it.
If the guy that bought the creds with his isk decides to sell his eve mug on ebay , it shouldn't bother ccp one bit. The reason is that CCP was involved and did get their profits out of the transaction. Unlike ebay isk sellers that leave ccp out in the cold when it comes to profit.
Even if someone were to sell their items dirt cheap on ebay at 50% or less of what CCP would charge, what would it matter? The reseller would simply be screwing himself as he would find competitors real fast that sell for even less. CCP could sit back and laugh because the CONTROL the flow of items with the eve logo. They would ALWAYS get their taste without a doubt. If someone wants to resell dirt cheap, it wouldnt effect CCP one bit, in fact it would increase the revenue ccp would get normally.
If nub resellerx buys 30 eve mugs with isk that is 30mugs ccp gets to profit off of. If ccp were to set the price so they make $5 profit per mug that would be $150 of profit they wouldn't have had. If nubresellerx then turns around and sells a mug that normally costs $10, for $5 then nubresellerx makes $150,sure but ccp is still in the loop. CCP still made $150 profit they wouldn't have made and eve players end up with eve mugs they wouldn't have bought otherwise. if nubresellerx wants more mugs he still has to go through CCP and CCP still makes profit meaning nubseller can never outrun or cut ccp out of the loop.
The reason to do open evestore to isk/rl money trades is that it further drains the RMT group's draw. you simply force the rmt people into selling even lower,slowly choking them out. Eve-s credits opens up legit trades to additional players and increases the draw towards it then rmt.
now if ccp were to dump 3+month characters from NPC corps into freelancers and open them up to wardecs, ccp would further choke out the rmt people. Until then I dont take ccp as being serious about the RMT problem. Saying something and doing nothing means nothing.
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Berious
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.06.26 01:50:00 -
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I don't think CCP should make it easier to "cash out".
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Aslord
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Posted - 2008.06.26 01:58:00 -
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Originally by: Berious I don't think CCP should make it easier to "cash out".
hell yeah, got 30 billion just sitting in my wallet.
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ShardowRhino
Legion 0f The Damned
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Posted - 2008.06.26 02:14:00 -
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Originally by: Berious I don't think CCP should make it easier to "cash out".
can i have your stuffz? OR can you at least send me an eve mug and keychain?
Seriously though if someone was going to cash out when leaving the game,they would simply sell it online. Seriously what would it matter if they ban an account to a game that you have no intention of ever playing ever again???
If anything, at least CCP would get a piece of the action and reducing the level of isk being sold on the blackmarket by whatever amount your "cashing out".
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Bomberos
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Posted - 2008.06.26 03:33:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire This porposal have good brans. And if it werks than maybe when we habe Eve VISA, we can habe ISKS LP wehn we use Eve VISA to buy.
Kool.
What the hell happened to you ?
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Ragnar Darkstar
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Posted - 2008.06.26 03:41:00 -
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Can you imagine how bad the gold farmers would get if they could buy actual merchandise with ISK.
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Mika Meroko
Crayon Posting Inc
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Posted - 2008.06.26 03:47:00 -
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only works if CCP gets real life $$$
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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.06.26 04:13:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire This porposal have good brans.
Win. /thread --
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F'nog
Celestial Horizon Corp. Celestial Industrial Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.26 04:15:00 -
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On the one hand, this would be a great ISK sink.
On the other, it would be just totally bad for CCP:
1) It would set a dollar amount for ISK.
2) CCP still gets money for GTCs, they just don't care who uses them. If this idea were implemented, someone could just farm ISK via missions, ratting, PvP (tough but feasible), and buy real world stuff with it. CCP would get not actual money for the goods.
Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari
F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
Originally by: Chribba Go F'nog! You're a hero! Not a Zero! /me bows
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Uncle Mo
Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2008.06.26 04:19:00 -
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Originally by: F'nog On the one hand, this would be a great ISK sink.
On the other, it would be just totally bad for CCP:
1) It would set a dollar amount for ISK.
2) CCP still gets money for GTCs, they just don't care who uses them. If this idea were implemented, someone could just farm ISK via missions, ratting, PvP (tough but feasible), and buy real world stuff with it. CCP would get not actual money for the goods.
I'm sorry, but this makes no sense to me.
1) There's already a dollar amount set via timecards
2) People are already farming ISK and buying real world stuff with it, in this case a real world service. CCP would recieve the money when people pay them for the Gift Cards. --------------------------------------------- Official US ambassador to the UK.
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F'nog
Celestial Horizon Corp. Celestial Industrial Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.26 04:25:00 -
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Edited by: F''nog on 26/06/2008 04:25:27
Originally by: Uncle Mo
Originally by: F'nog On the one hand, this would be a great ISK sink.
On the other, it would be just totally bad for CCP:
1) It would set a dollar amount for ISK.
2) CCP still gets money for GTCs, they just don't care who uses them. If this idea were implemented, someone could just farm ISK via missions, ratting, PvP (tough but feasible), and buy real world stuff with it. CCP would get not actual money for the goods.
I'm sorry, but this makes no sense to me.
1) There's already a dollar amount set via timecards
2) People are already farming ISK and buying real world stuff with it, in this case a real world service. CCP would recieve the money when people pay them for the Gift Cards.
1) It makes it even more concrete.
2) that only works if they buy GTCs then buy the stuff. My whole point is that that isn't necessary. It would be the same as being able to use Monopoly money to buy a new car.
Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari
F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
Originally by: Chribba Go F'nog! You're a hero! Not a Zero! /me bows
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Uncle Mo
Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2008.06.26 04:33:00 -
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Edited by: Uncle Mo on 26/06/2008 04:35:19
Originally by: F'nog Edited by: F''nog on 26/06/2008 04:25:27
Originally by: Uncle Mo
Originally by: F'nog On the one hand, this would be a great ISK sink.
On the other, it would be just totally bad for CCP:
1) It would set a dollar amount for ISK.
2) CCP still gets money for GTCs, they just don't care who uses them. If this idea were implemented, someone could just farm ISK via missions, ratting, PvP (tough but feasible), and buy real world stuff with it. CCP would get not actual money for the goods.
I'm sorry, but this makes no sense to me.
1) There's already a dollar amount set via timecards
2) People are already farming ISK and buying real world stuff with it, in this case a real world service. CCP would recieve the money when people pay them for the Gift Cards.
1) It makes it even more concrete.
2) that only works if they buy GTCs then buy the stuff. My whole point is that that isn't necessary. It would be the same as being able to use Monopoly money to buy a new car.
1) The laws of supply and demand always apply.
2) Game time cards ARE real world 'stuff'. The fact that they differ from tangible items in that it's a service is irrelevant. Buying a car, and paying a mechanic to fix it are both real world items that can be sold. Selling an item and selling a service are no different from CCP's perspective; They make money on both. --------------------------------------------- Official US ambassador to the UK.
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