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Molang
MyXGamer
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Posted - 2012.03.13 22:04:00 -
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Is it me, or is the price of fuel getting out of hand? Between the war on bots, the Goons, and the crazy planetary interaction; running a tower has become too expensive.
Any thoughts on how we can drive the price back down so tech 2 invention and manufacturing can be profitable again?
I remember just a year ago that it only cost 100 million a month to run a large tower. Now we are approaching 340 million.
consider this genuine care bear tears |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
533
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Posted - 2012.03.14 00:11:00 -
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With a small control tower, if you aren't clearing a billion ISK a month profit with one account, you are really doing something terribly wrong.
POS fuel costs should not be a concern, especially if you are doing the math beforehand on items you manufacture, pricing appropriately, or moving to something else if the numbers are not in your favour.
I have an alt that can't manufacture T2 clearing 750m profit per month on T1, and over 150m per month on hisec extraction PI.
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Scrapyard Bob
EVE University Ivy League
747
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Posted - 2012.03.14 05:11:00 -
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(isn't sure what the OP is smoking)
POS fuel costs haven't changed in months really. Costs per 30-days for large towers are still in the 350-421 million ISK range. Which is pretty close to what they were last summer/fall.
Even better, small towers are no longer 1/3 the cost of a large tower each month but are now almost exactly 1/4 the cost. Mid-sized towers also got a respite on their fuel bill, even though they consume more HW/LOz then before. |
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University Ivy League
747
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Posted - 2012.03.14 05:16:00 -
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Older threads:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=818743#post818743
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=875831#post875831 |
Tobiaz
Spacerats
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Posted - 2012.03.14 14:07:00 -
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If everyone has to buy the same expensive fuel, then there's no real reason to complain, right? As a producer I mean, the rest of Eve will obviously start complaining about the expensive T2 |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
368
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Posted - 2012.03.14 14:25:00 -
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Molang wrote:I remember just a year ago that it only cost 100 million a month to run a large tower. Now we are approaching 340 million. consider this genuine care bear tears
Consider actually making fuel yourself and getting in on the FREAKING FORTUNE THIS 'Carebear' is making ATM.
This is definitely working as intended...........
OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |
Raisa Mole
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2012.03.14 15:27:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Molang wrote:I remember just a year ago that it only cost 100 million a month to run a large tower. Now we are approaching 340 million. consider this genuine care bear tears Consider actually making fuel yourself and getting in on the FREAKING FORTUNE THIS 'Carebear' is making ATM. This is definitely working as intended...........
I just wish that speculators didn't keep fluxing the market. It's getting irritating to switch back and forth between block types every day because one crashes and one spikes. |
Mavnas
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.14 18:57:00 -
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Last I checked, fuel prices were falling. Or at least they fell enough that I just got out of the fuel block manufacturing market. |
Ken Sunji
Perkone Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.03.14 20:51:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Molang wrote:I remember just a year ago that it only cost 100 million a month to run a large tower. Now we are approaching 340 million. consider this genuine care bear tears Consider actually making fuel yourself and getting in on the FREAKING FORTUNE THIS 'Carebear' is making ATM. This is definitely working as intended...........
Shhhhhhhhh stop telling everyone hahaha |
Ken Sunji
Perkone Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.03.14 20:55:00 -
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Mavnas wrote:Last I checked, fuel prices were falling. Or at least they fell enough that I just got out of the fuel block manufacturing market.
They are a lot more volatile thats for sure, so I personally have shortened the amount I make to a 24 manufacture time so as to be able to adapt to the changes. |
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Director Producer
Research Enterprise Ltd
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Posted - 2012.03.15 07:51:00 -
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Molang wrote: Any thoughts on how we can drive the price back down so tech 2 invention and manufacturing can be profitable again?
Hey,
I am not involved in any Tech II Invention, only manufacturing Tech I. I am able to run a large CT and make 3-4B profit per month. Plus, i don't have any expensive BPO (no ship for example).
Tau Cabalander wrote:With a small control tower, if you aren't clearing a billion ISK a month profit with one account, you are really doing something terribly wrong.
This!
I have just followed that guide : http://www.eve-market-guide.com/ Take a look ;) /effort Molang
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Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
369
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Posted - 2012.03.15 10:34:00 -
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Raisa Mole wrote:
I just wish that speculators didn't keep fluxing the market. It's getting irritating to switch back and forth between block types every day because one crashes and one spikes.
Yup. Plus, they sell for 21,000 regularly, then IDIOTS in RENS put them up for 15,500.
I guess they are already RICH or something. Market PvE---it's a gas. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
369
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Posted - 2012.03.15 10:35:00 -
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Ken Sunji wrote: They are a lot more volatile thats for sure, so I personally have shortened the amount I make to a 24 manufacture time so as to be able to adapt to the changes.
Can you clarify this puzzling statement ? What is a "24 manufacture time" ? OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |
Director Producer
Research Enterprise Ltd
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Posted - 2012.03.15 10:39:00 -
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It is when you are running X jobs 24/7, I guess. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
369
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Posted - 2012.03.15 10:45:00 -
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Mavnas wrote:Last I checked, fuel prices were falling. Or at least they fell enough that I just got out of the fuel block manufacturing market.
2 hours for 2 Orca Loads of Ice, refined, providing one's own PI, with 4,800,000 expenditure to make up the shortage of Heavy Water and Liquid O, SELLING the excess Isotopes, nets afterwards, even with expenditures, 92,000,000 ISK in sales (at 15,500). Yup, 92,000,000 or more for 2 hours of mining. Too bad you left. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |
Rengerel en Distel
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
17
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Posted - 2012.03.15 12:24:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Mavnas wrote:Last I checked, fuel prices were falling. Or at least they fell enough that I just got out of the fuel block manufacturing market. 2 hours for 2 Orca Loads of Ice, refined, providing one's own PI, with 4,800,000 expenditure to make up the shortage of Heavy Water and Liquid O, SELLING the excess Isotopes, nets afterwards, even with expenditures, 92,000,000 ISK in sales (at 15,500). Yup, 92,000,000 or more for 2 hours of mining. Too bad you left.
Is that assuming the ice and PI are free to you?
Don't assume bad intent, when stupidity is the much more likely cause. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
369
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Posted - 2012.03.15 12:29:00 -
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Rengerel en Distel wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Mavnas wrote:Last I checked, fuel prices were falling. Or at least they fell enough that I just got out of the fuel block manufacturing market. 2 hours for 2 Orca Loads of Ice, refined, providing one's own PI, with 4,800,000 expenditure to make up the shortage of Heavy Water and Liquid O, SELLING the excess Isotopes, nets afterwards, even with expenditures, 92,000,000 ISK in sales (at 15,500). Yup, 92,000,000 or more for 2 hours of mining. Too bad you left. Is that assuming the ice and PI are free to you?
I believe it says "Two hours of Ice Mining".
PI is maybe an hour.
No such thing as 'free', so why ask nonsense? OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |
Cayden Xios
Zion Enterprises
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Posted - 2012.03.15 13:09:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Is that assuming the ice and PI are free to you?
I believe it says "Two hours of Ice Mining".
PI is maybe an hour.
No such thing as 'free', so why ask nonsense?[/quote] What he means is, are you accounting for the opportunity cost? Would you make more just selling the PI stuff (or making other PI stuff) and selling the ice/refined ice?
I imagine you're using two accounts or more to mine and move the ice? Two accounts you could be doing something else with and making more money per hour. You need to account for this, and I can't tell if you did. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
369
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Posted - 2012.03.15 13:37:00 -
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Cayden Xios wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Is that assuming the ice and PI are free to you?
I believe it says "Two hours of Ice Mining".
PI is maybe an hour.
No such thing as 'free', so why ask nonsense? What he means is, are you accounting for the opportunity cost? Would you make more just selling the PI stuff (or making other PI stuff) and selling the ice/refined ice? I imagine you're using two accounts or more to mine and move the ice? Two accounts you could be doing something else with and making more money per hour. You need to account for this, and I can't tell if you did.
PI and ICE are worth crap. You KNOW this.
PI + ICE = Fuel Blocks = WIN Profits !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Some of you guys THINK WAY TOO HARD about this game. Do you really have any fun ?? "Opportunity cost". Really ?? OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |
Rengerel en Distel
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
17
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Posted - 2012.03.15 14:21:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Cayden Xios wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Is that assuming the ice and PI are free to you?
I believe it says "Two hours of Ice Mining".
PI is maybe an hour.
No such thing as 'free', so why ask nonsense? What he means is, are you accounting for the opportunity cost? Would you make more just selling the PI stuff (or making other PI stuff) and selling the ice/refined ice? I imagine you're using two accounts or more to mine and move the ice? Two accounts you could be doing something else with and making more money per hour. You need to account for this, and I can't tell if you did. PI and ICE are worth crap. You KNOW this. PI + ICE = Fuel Blocks = WIN Profits !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Some of you guys THINK WAY TOO HARD about this game. Do you really have any fun ?? "Opportunity cost". Really ??
Like every other game, there are min/maxers. If you could have made more isk selling the ice and PI, then you made less isk making blocks than you could have. That was my only question. You seem to think you made "WIN profits" but perhaps you only made "win profits" or really "lost isk vs the guy that just sold stuff instead".
Don't assume bad intent, when stupidity is the much more likely cause. |
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Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
371
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Posted - 2012.03.15 17:55:00 -
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Rengerel en Distel wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Cayden Xios wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Is that assuming the ice and PI are free to you?
I believe it says "Two hours of Ice Mining".
PI is maybe an hour.
No such thing as 'free', so why ask nonsense? What he means is, are you accounting for the opportunity cost? Would you make more just selling the PI stuff (or making other PI stuff) and selling the ice/refined ice? I imagine you're using two accounts or more to mine and move the ice? Two accounts you could be doing something else with and making more money per hour. You need to account for this, and I can't tell if you did. PI and ICE are worth crap. You KNOW this. PI + ICE = Fuel Blocks = WIN Profits !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Some of you guys THINK WAY TOO HARD about this game. Do you really have any fun ?? "Opportunity cost". Really ?? Like every other game, there are min/maxers. If you could have made more isk selling the ice and PI, then you made less isk making blocks than you could have. That was my only question. You seem to think you made "WIN profits" but perhaps you only made "win profits" or really "lost isk vs the guy that just sold stuff instead".
The 2 Orca's of refined Ice Products and the necessary PI to make 100 Runs (4000 Fuel Blocks) would sell for about 42,000,000 in Jita.
Transforms into 98,000,000 + in Fuel Blocks in Jita. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |
Molang
MyXGamer
23
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Posted - 2012.03.15 21:09:00 -
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I totally agree that if you can't make a billion a month profit a month you have no business running a tower. However being the care bear that I am I am always looking for ways to tighten expenses and maximize profit.
the most profitable piece of the fuel equation at the moment is Ice mining. I for one won't get into that because it's way too boring.
The planetary piece of Fuel is profitable but not as profitable as my current planet configuration. So going into fuel is not the best option for me.
It's easy enough to make fuel blocks from items purchased and that does save about 2 to 8% of the cost. Here is hoping that CCP finds a way to make mining worth it and ice mining fun. |
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