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Evanda Char
Minmatar
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.06.27 15:13:00 -
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In light of recent changes in the Minmatar Republic, and running out of standings slots, we in Electus Matari have made some slight adjustments to our standings policies. These are dark times, and the lives and freedoms of our people are our highest priority.
We remain "NRDS" ("Not Red, Don't Shoot"), but our priority on redding has shifted. All members of the 24th Imperial Crusade have been set Kill on Sight in light of their stated aim to commence the Reclaiming. All corporations, individuals and agencies aiding the 24th Imperial Crusade from outside the militias direct structure will be set Kill on Sight likewise.
To those fighting for the reunited Matari tribes, we strongly urge you to seek blue standings not just with us, but with all those who join us in this struggle. The 24th Crusade must be prevented from launching a strike against inhabited Matari worlds.
For details of the nitty-gritty of the standings reset, please see Elsebeth's post here.
-Eva-
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Scagga Laebetrovo
Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2008.06.27 16:01:00 -
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Edited by: Scagga Laebetrovo on 27/06/2008 16:07:47
Your belligerence has been noted.
As of 00:00 tonight, Electus Matari diplomats will be excluded from San Matari associated comms channels.
Addendum: Ach, I forgot to mention - consider yourselves valid targets...the 'ceasefire' was an elegantly concealed farce on the part of the involved parties, as far as I'm concerned.
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Becq Starforged
Minmatar Ship Construction Services
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.06.27 16:26:00 -
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Good hunting, and fly free!
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Grr
Amarr
Epitoth Fleetyards
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.27 17:27:00 -
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I think I speak for all the Amarr loyalists when I say you and your little band of followers will continue to be set Kill on Sight to us.
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Victor Vision
Amarr
Central Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2008.06.27 18:04:00 -
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Very regretable.
I had high hopes for the Electus Matari.
They seemed civilized and reasonable in many of their communications.
* shakes head *
When will the Matari finally understand we never meant ill to them.
Us Amarr mean to civilize, educate and enlighten.
The continued aggression upon our glorious Empire does not serve the Matari well.
It encourages the hard liners in our Empire, who see all Matari as equally barbaric.
I, for myself, will continue to believe in the potential of the Matari for positive progression. I will also continue to differentiate between barbaric Matari and more civilized ones.
The civilized and enlightened ones deserve to be free, if they so desire.
Marshal Commander Scagga Laebetrovo is a good example of an enlightened Sebiestor,
one that the Empire can be proud of.
The barbaric ones, on the other hand, need to be enslaved for their own good.
In the spirit of Heideran VII, I pray to God that our militia can contain the barbaric attackers,
so that peace may come again to our galaxy.
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GulletSplitter
Minmatar
Maasai Tribal Products
Independent Faction
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Posted - 2008.06.27 19:10:00 -
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Gulletsplitter shakes his own head at the words being banded about.
"When will the Matari finally understand we never meant ill to them.
Us Amarr mean to civilize, educate and enlighten."
This from a society that condones the usage of vitoc and slaver hounds on a people who had no idea of your exsistence until you showed up and threw them into slavery.
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Sepherim
Amarr
Ordo Quaesitoris
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Posted - 2008.06.28 01:39:00 -
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Not unexpected, and yet equally sad. A terrible day is that in which those devoted to peace are forced to pick up the weapons. Unfortunately, we will meet in the battlefield.
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Father Goose
Amarr
Order of the Lamp
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Posted - 2008.06.28 07:23:00 -
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 Originally by: Victor Vision
I had high hopes for the Electus Matari.
They are very civilized and reasonable in many of their communications.
Corrected for you.
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When will the Matari finally understand we never meant ill to them.
The path to enlightenment is littered with the remains of those who meant no ill, yet through their own lack of humility before God caused ill.
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The continued aggression upon our glorious Empire does not serve the Matari well.
It encourages the hard liners in our Empire, who see all Matari as equally barbaric.
The empire has never 'served' the Matari at all, and rarely have I seen an Amarr who is not a hard liner.
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I will also continue to differentiate between barbaric Matari and civilized ones.
Will you also differentiate between barbaric Amarr and civilized ones? If so, I'd like to see an analysis of the differences and similarities between the two races civilized and barbaric subsets. If not, explain why.
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The barbaric ones, on the other hand, need to be enslaved for their own good.
Don't you mean for your own good when you wish to enslave them? Do not forget the will of God for you to enlighten them. The path to enlightenment does not require slavery.
Serving the Spiritual needs of the Matari, and all Children of Eve, by the Grace of God
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afiz
Minmatar
New Age Flying Industries
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Posted - 2008.06.28 22:12:00 -
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o7
Salutations My Deared Comrades We have currently Engaged a Hostile Corp in Gelhan 0.7 Ammatar space
Their POS is in-reinforced status and as we speak several of Our Brothers and Sisters are being freed:
The Battle of Gelhan
- Camera Zooms back and a chart comes up -
N.A.F.IÖ is listed as Blue to the EM .
To the OP and to all the Blues of EM THank you very very Much for this oppurtunity We will continue to Strive Hard And Push Our Goals to Re-unite those who have been lost with their Love Ones.
Afiz Ö
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Zimarla
Minmatar
Gradient
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Posted - 2008.06.29 18:08:00 -
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Originally by: Evanda Char
All members of the 24th Imperial Crusade have been set Kill on Sight in light of their stated aim to commence the Reclaiming.
I highlighted the part I think is most relevant. Do you really expect an organization dedicated to the prosperity and independence of the Republic to happily allow the 24th Crusade to run rampant over the Republic's borders? I don't think this new standings policy should be taken to mean that Electus Matari has abandoned diplomatic avenues. I'm sure our diplomats would happily set, oh, the Ammatar Free Corps, for just one example, back to neutral if they left the 24th Crusade and abandon their stated intent to invade Republic space.
I mean, seriously guys, just because EM has more level heads than some other Republic organizations doesn't mean they were going to roll out a carpet and hand out cake to the Crusaders. |
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Sepherim
Amarr
Ordo Quaesitoris
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Posted - 2008.06.30 15:39:00 -
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Miss Zimarla, I too find interesting those lines you have placed in bolds. We have not started a Reclaiming, we are defending the Empire from the aggression of the Republic. You should never forget that.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2008.06.30 15:45:00 -
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Originally by: Sepherim
Miss Zimarla, I too find interesting those lines you have placed in bolds. We have not started a Reclaiming, we are defending the Empire from the aggression of the Republic. You should never forget that.
Indeed, let no-one forget who started the current war with their unprovoked acts of aggression against the Empire.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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BloodBird
Gallente
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.06.30 16:35:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
Originally by: Sepherim
Miss Zimarla, I too find interesting those lines you have placed in bolds. We have not started a Reclaiming, we are defending the Empire from the aggression of the Republic. You should never forget that.
Indeed, let no-one forget who started the current war with their unprovoked acts of aggression against the Empire.
To most of the Amarr, the Elder fleet's attacks was the start of the war.
To many of the Minmatar, the war started on the Day of darkness, and it never ended. Keep that in mind.
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2008.06.30 17:24:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
Indeed, let no-one forget who started the current war with their unprovoked acts of aggression against the Empire.
Just like the battle of Vak'Atioth was because of the unprovoked acts of aggression by the Jovians, right?
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Scagga Laebetrovo
Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2008.06.30 20:13:00 -
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That little girl is a turncoat and a waverer. I have no words for her.
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Evanda Char
Minmatar
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.06.30 22:12:00 -
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Let me see if I can cover the more cogent queries and fix a few misunderstandings all at once.
The 24th Imperial Crusade.
Originally by: Nalmid Lebon
It was us who brought civilization to this dark and perilous world, and it is us who uphold it, with compassion, strength and courage. We need you to help us save the Minmatar from themselves. We will help the lost ones find their way, capsuleer, and we will do it with the deathless force only you can wield.
Emphasis is my own.
We have been "saved from ourselves" by the Amarr once before, and I have no doubt at all that I speak for the vast majority of Minmatar when I say we did not enjoy it much. There can be no doubt at all in any realistic mind that they are not planning on bringing medical supplies.
Who Aggressed Who?
I'm not denying that an Elder Fleet travelled to Amarr and aggressed. However, the Elder Fleet acted without the Republic Government at the time having knowledge of it, or any measure of control over it. The militias, likewise, formed without any formal alliance between the Republic as a nation, and the Elder Fleets as a military force. The TLF, you will note, is the Tribal Liberation Force - when it came into being, CONCORD had set it up as something not under Republic jurisdiction, per se.
Since then, Matari politics has begun to come together. There have been new elections, a new Premier selected with the united support of the tribes of the Republic, and we may well be becoming a united body with the Elder's own forces and allies. But that is since.
The aggressiuon I refer to is by members of the 24th Imperial Crusade against Minmatar Republic forces and Minmatar Republic loyalist forces in Minmatar Republic space, which occurred before the elections and was against pilots and corporations unaffiliated to the TLF.
In short, you shoot us, we set you red, we shoot you, and your friends, and the people who build stuff for you on the cheap.
Is this a Declaration of Hostility Against the Empire?
As I stated in an earlier post, I have yet to see an order from either the new Empress or the former Chamberlain Karsoth supporting the 24th Imperial Crusade. Our stance therefore remains as it has always been:
Any force of hostile intent or detrimental action to the Minmatar Republic, its governance, its economy and its people, is considered a threat and will be dealt with in whatever manner is likely to achieve the best result. The 24th Crusade is already engaging in aggressive action and has to be pushed back to the point where the Imperial Government will rein them in.
And just as before, those elements of the Amarr who would rather pursue a path to peace, are welcome to do as they please so long as it causes no harm to my people.
We don't want to see the Amarr wiped out, or put into slavery themselves, as some have suggested.
We don't want to destroy the Empire.
We don't want to do anything that will turn us into the worst of you.
If you don't support slavery, if you don't want to "save the Minmatar from themselves with deathless force," then get the hell away from the 24th Crusade and you'll see nothing more from us than a wave in local.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2008.06.30 22:17:00 -
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Edited by: Rodj Blake on 30/06/2008 22:23:13
Look witch, are you seriously suggesting that the Elders put together their fleet without your beloved Midular having any inkling about it?
In which case, she must be even more incompetent than I imagined! |
Sallera Zephyr
New Age Flying Industries
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Posted - 2008.06.30 22:43:00 -
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Found the Elder fleet in the Wildlands yet, Rodj? Know anyone who has? There's a lot of space down there, and the Thukkers are quite experienced at remaining unnoticed. |
Kohiko Sun
Caldari
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.07.01 00:20:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
Edited by: Rodj Blake on 30/06/2008 22:23:13
Look witch, are you seriously suggesting that the Elders put together their fleet without your beloved Midular having any inkling about it?
In which case, she must be even more incompetent than I imagined!
Her "incompetence" must be shared by the Imperial intelligence agencies, yes?
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Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2008.07.01 09:59:00 -
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Originally by: Evanda Char
The militias, likewise, formed without any formal alliance between the Republic as a nation, and the Elder Fleets as a military force. The TLF, you will note, is the Tribal Liberation Force - when it came into being, CONCORD had set it up as something not under Republic jurisdiction, per se.
Actually, you are wrong here. The TLF is officially a part of the Minmatar Republic faction.
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As I stated in an earlier post, I have yet to see an order from either the new Empress or the former Chamberlain Karsoth supporting the 24th Imperial Crusade. Our stance therefore remains as it has always been:
Likewise, the 24th Imperial Crusade is officially a part of the Amarr Empire faction. |
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Becq Starforged
Minmatar Ship Construction Services
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.07.01 16:00:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
Originally by: Evanda Char
The militias, likewise, formed without any formal alliance between the Republic as a nation, and the Elder Fleets as a military force. The TLF, you will note, is the Tribal Liberation Force - when it came into being, CONCORD had set it up as something not under Republic jurisdiction, per se.
Actually, you are wrong here. The TLF is officially a part of the Minmatar Republic faction.
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As I stated in an earlier post, I have yet to see an order from either the new Empress or the former Chamberlain Karsoth supporting the 24th Imperial Crusade. Our stance therefore remains as it has always been:
Likewise, the 24th Imperial Crusade is officially a part of the Amarr Empire faction.
I'm not entirely sure that's true. The four militias were created by CONCORD caveat and were attached to their corresponding governments by the same CONCORD legislation, but I've seen absolutely no evidence of control exerted by the government over any of the factions, except in terms of requests to perform certain tasks in exchange for payment in credits and favors.
While this relationship might change as the changing leadership of the respective governemnts solidify, it's difficult for me to imagine how the governments could expect to exert more than nominal control over any organization of pod pilots, let alone ones so ... independently guided as these.
You may subjugate your actions to the will of the Empire -- as a personal or corporate choice -- but many of your fellow militia members do not.
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Becq Starforged
The Flame of Freedom Burns On! |
Drakolus
Amarr
Dopehead Industries
FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.07.01 21:28:00 -
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Mrs Char,
As usual, EM displays grace under less than perfect situations. I am yet again proud to be a supporter of the Matari cause and to have served under the aegis of Electus Matari in the past. Your restraint and prowess should be an example the TLF can follow with pride.
As far as the Elder fleet...I live out in GW and I have not seen them 
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Nomakai Delateriel
Amarr
Shadow Company
Souls of Vengeance
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Posted - 2008.07.02 15:14:00 -
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Originally by: Kohiko Sun
Her "incompetence" must be shared by the Imperial intelligence agencies, yes?
Hardly. You just have to look at the actions of the 7th fleet and Amarr government the days before the invasion to notice that someone was guiding their actions. Setting things up so that Lady Sarum would have a glorious homecoming. Enough bread and circus to blind people to the fact that either she violated divine edict by not committing suicide, or the current Lady Sarum is a clone.
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3ll3
Gallente
Tranquillity Nation
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Posted - 2008.07.16 20:37:00 -
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*Waves cheerfully*
Heya Eva'Panda can't wait to be popping some Slavers and Crusaders, I hope I get to fly along side EM in the battle zones 
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