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Jhagiti Tyran
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Posted - 2008.06.29 18:31:00 -
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I play pool in a small regional league and from what I have seen the smoking ban has hit working mans clubs very hard, many are closing down and all have reduced membership and less revenue, but pubs are definitely not helping themselves with high prices and when you compare pub prices to supermarket prices its no wonder people are staying clear of pubs.
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Malcanis
We are Legend
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Posted - 2008.06.29 20:28:00 -
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You can't blame excise duty when I can get 4x500ml beers from Tesco for ú2.99 but a single pint from the bar costs me ú3.20 - ú4.00
Most "pubs" are owned by breweries, and they've been screwing the customers for every penny. Sorry, but for that kind of cash I'd rather buy my own booze and get some friends round. I like going to the pub, but not when it costs me the best part of ú20 for a round of 4.
I don't know where that 300% markup is going, and frankly I don't care. it's just too high for me.
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Posted - 2008.06.29 21:02:00 -
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We are seeing this in the states big time but it is all related to increased costs(utilities, food, beer/liquor costs all rising) and disposable income falling for the consumer. The small pleasures of going out and blowing $50-$100 on drinks and dinner is steadily going away. The UK's economy is buckling under the same strains as the US's and I would attribute the closing of pubs to simple economic realities.
Fountain soda is incredibly cheap. A 32 oz coke will cost on average $.22 in syrup and carbonated water.(2007 number) Ever wonder why the fast food places will let you have as many sodas as you like by putting the fountain machine as a self serve feature? Free refills at most restaurants is the same story. $2.50 for a coke and you would have to drink quite a few for there not be a profit. Remember though that for every item a bar or pub sells you think they are making huge profits on the majority of items they sell are break even or have only a few percentage points of profit. Ex: The US has happy hour menus that sell food at cost or at a loss. If you don't order two drinks they lose money. Fast food is the same. Go order off the dollar menu at Mcdonald's, if you don't order a soda or an additional full price item they have lost money on the transaction.
The average net profit margin according to the National Restaurant Association in the US is 4-6%. Most pubs are likely small business owners who are squeezing every dime they can out of all consumer spending and hoping the economy improves. Unfortunately that will not be the case and we will continue to see these types of businesses decline. Next time you feel cheated think about the fact your favorite bar or pub closed down for good and you no longer have your favorite hang out to go to and maybe that extra dollar(or pound) really was well spent.
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Bhaal
Minmatar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.06.30 02:59:00 -
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Pubs, bars, outdated form of entertainment IMO...
There are many new and better things to do these days, sitting in a chair getting drunk I think is a pastime that is being replaced by other activities. About time, isn't it?
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Posted - 2008.06.30 03:05:00 -
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 Originally by: Bhaal
Pubs, bars, outdated form of entertainment IMO...
There are many new and better things to do these days, sitting in a chair getting drunk I think is a pastime that is being replaced by other activities. About time, isn't it?
No, shut up.
Originally by: Crumplecorn
These is a forum for this.
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Adonis 4174
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Posted - 2008.06.30 09:37:00 -
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Originally by: pwnedgato
Originally by: Bhaal
Pubs, bars, outdated form of entertainment IMO...
There are many new and better things to do these days, sitting in a chair getting drunk I think is a pastime that is being replaced by other activities. About time, isn't it?
No, shut up.
It is though. You can sit in a chair getting drunk playing eve instead.
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Posted - 2008.06.30 11:09:00 -
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Originally by: Xrak
Originally by: The TX
it costs very little to make a soft drink in a pub
Your point doesn't stand because it's not true. The syrup is not cheap to buy, and so it doesn't cost very little to make a soft drink in a pub.
That's all I'm saying ya'know?
I remember hearing 13 cents for 20 oz soda. or say 6 pence for 600ml, wish I could cite a resource on this one  |
Princess Kyky
Caldari
Omega Fleet Enterprises
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2008.06.30 11:54:00 -
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join a social club, only ú1.25 a pint cant go wrong ^^, mind ú3 for a coke is OTT |
Dray
Caldari
Spartan Industries
Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2008.06.30 12:28:00 -
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Edited by: Dray on 30/06/2008 12:30:42
I have worked in the brewing industry for almost 20 years, there's a lot of reasons for the down turn, the brewing giants will tell you its tax and cheap purchases from super markets and abroad.
This is partly true, as for being a publican, if your don't own your bar then your not going to make much cash, simply because the tenant deals available now aren't worth it.
The real problems are that the big brewers would rather turn out low volumes at high cost lowering operating costs as well.
High tax.
Cheap prices from supermarkets and abroad.
The smoking ban, tho not as much as people think, only affected certain pubs and clubs while not really bothering others much at all, Wetherspoons had a no smoking policy in a lot of its outlets long before the ban.
Most pubs now are owned by pub companies such as Punch taverns, Wetherspoons etc, with the exception of Wetherspoons which offer food and drinks at reasonable prices other pub companies are in it for the money, which to be fair is what business is about, but they are not doing it with a view to protect their tenants, and because of that their tenants are getting screwed royally with poor tenancy deals which in some cases practically ensure that the tenant will not make enough to stay in business.
So how do the pub companies make money from these places, well firstly when you want to take on a pub you have to pay a bond or deposit based on the value of the pub and its fittings and fixtures, if you go under you lose your bond, thats how they're making there money on business opportunities that simply aren't there in the first place, also your tied to that pub company for most of your stock, with a little room to buy in yourself, which obviously means the pub company orders a large amount of stock from the brewer then farms out to the outlets at an inflated price, add that to high rent and that business opportunity rapidly becomes a noose around your neck, also with metering on the lines and different commodity packing so the pub company can be sure their tenants aren't being cheaper from wholesale outlets, which is a breach of the tenants contract and forfeits the deal losing you your bond and the pub
From personal expirience as a drayman I can tell you that some pubs out there are operating loss, when I say some I mean a lot, city centres and well known pubs with reputations for quality food or good drink are for the most part ok but not raking it in, aside from your city centre hot spots such as the Bigg market or the Quayside in Newcastle, where i work for the most part, are ok, but nothing compared to 10 years ago when I transferred from the brewing side to the retail fleet.
The single biggest gripe we hear about is cost which ultimately is the reason people aren't going to the pubs, I know the tax is high but believe me beer is cheap to produce, ridiculously cheap to produce, it is after all almost all water, but until the market changes to the point where the big brewers need to reduce their price nothing will change, for myself I think I've got another 3 or 4 years in my job before theres a time where it just isn't worth it and the brewers will realize and do something about it or focus their business elsewhere.
Bottom line for me is outside of the city centres the pub game is finished except for a lucky few with the right location or reputation and who are lucky enough to own the place.
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