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Calliste Orange
House Orange
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Posted - 2012.03.14 15:06:00 -
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There is something you can do to help your plight if it is a viable option, give or take.
Try to locate your nearest or dearest Faction Warfare corp who has an Indy division (they're out there) and ask to sign up with them for potential mutual gain. Their miners, if they have them, contend with griefers and war targets simultaneously. Sometimes they'll have a standing guard -but it's better that they don't if they're simply mining ice or low-ends.
Why?
Because like them, you'll soon appreciate the need for a sort of sixth sense -which will come soon enough - the need for constant attentiion to your surroundings at all times, a dozen tips and tricks and, for added value -not infrequent excitement. You will lose covetors and macks of course, but the experience will sharpen over time and you will lose less of them.
I've been doing this for a while now, and there is simply no better teacher than FW mining as to how to increase survival odds, sometimes quite dramatically -solo. If you have a FW corp guard, so much the better -but solo teaches you more, at least at first. Haven't lost a mack yet.
Give it a try.
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Shogun Archer
Phoenix Rise Industries
9
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Posted - 2012.03.14 15:09:00 -
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Morganta wrote:anyone else find it highly ironic that the OP took the last name of one of Japan's greatest WARlords to shoot rocks for 3 years?
This |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3422
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Posted - 2012.03.14 15:10:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Nova Fox wrote:I mean seriously the quicker you learn how to stop being a victim the beter this game gets. Why, of course, in addition to have a PVP alt, she must train her miner alt to be as good as a PVP alt in case it gots kill rights on a hisec ganker... Very smart you are, sir. Very smart.
dear sir and/or ma'am
Skill points do not dictate who kills who on the battlefield.
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Lexmana
Imperial Stout
250
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Posted - 2012.03.14 15:24:00 -
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Estrelita Nobunaga wrote:I've been playing for nearly 3 years, and have 4 accounts now /.../ I'm not sure that I've ever been ganked before, but, for some reason, this bothered me more than any other ship loss that I can remember
Let me get this straight. You were ganked for the first time in 3 years over 4 accounts and thats it. You quit!!
Kids these days. |
Pheusia
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
14
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Posted - 2012.03.14 15:24:00 -
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Nova Fox wrote:I mean seriously the quicker you learn how to stop being a victim the beter this game gets.
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gfldex
375
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Posted - 2012.03.14 15:26:00 -
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There was an issue with parsing this post's BBCode The game has a tutorial that gives you a mining laser and a railgun and tells you to go shoot rocks and red crosses. It teaches you nothing else. It's been that way for 8 years, so are you really surprised that there are people who aren't aware that this is a pvp game? --Jafit McJafitson |
gfldex
375
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Posted - 2012.03.14 15:29:00 -
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Calliste Orange wrote:Because like them, you'll soon appreciate the need for a sort of sixth sense -which will come soon enough - the need for constant attentiion to your surroundings at all times, a dozen tips and tricks and, for added value -not infrequent excitement.
Dude, not paying attention to the screen (because you don't have to) is the point of ice mining. That's why ppl are doing something that boring.
The game has a tutorial that gives you a mining laser and a railgun and tells you to go shoot rocks and red crosses. It teaches you nothing else. It's been that way for 8 years, so are you really surprised that there are people who aren't aware that this is a pvp game? --Jafit McJafitson |
Henry Haphorn
Aliastra Gallente Federation
222
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Posted - 2012.03.14 15:33:00 -
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I'm sorry to hear about your loss, but I disagree with your claim that Eve Online has changed in regards to high-sec suicide ganking. Such a mechanic has always been around since CCP first created Eve Online. It's that no one noticed it until some time later on when someone decided to go on a crusade using this mechanic.
The only reason CCP didn't stop this practice is because it brings in a whole new level of player-driven content that has a great impact on the New Eden economy. Now we have corporations that specialize in ganking for profit whether to solely corner a market, go after the faction mods fitted on miners, or to claim a system or region for themselves.
In addition, this form of player-driven content has even encouraged some miners to adapt and even look for systems where ganks could happen so that they can make a profit from the loss of another miner's ship or whenever a ganker needs a new ship. I do this all the time and I always make a profit every time some ganker tries to gank me with the ship that I made and sold to them.
It also keep miners from getting bored with their profession. Imagine if no one ganked a miner... ever in Eve Online. The profession would grow boring and profits would not be made because less ships are destroyed. Ganking has taken away that boredom and has replaced it with suspense. The fear that you might be next, that the next belt you go to might be the last belt your exhumer could ever visit and that all that you invested in could go *poof* in an instant. Fear, adrenaline, suspense, surprise. It never ends and I love it. Welcome to Eve Online. Don't expect people to be nice to you. |
Sasha Azala
Blood and Decay
88
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Posted - 2012.03.14 15:34:00 -
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Calliste Orange wrote:Because like them, you'll soon appreciate the need for a sort of sixth sense -which will come soon enough - the need for constant attentiion to your surroundings at all times, a dozen tips and tricks and, for added value -not infrequent excitement. You will lose covetors and macks of course, but the experience will sharpen over time and you will lose less of them.
You do realise the op has been playing for about 3 years?
How long does it take to aquire this sixth sense? |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
190
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Posted - 2012.03.14 15:34:00 -
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Estrelita Nobunaga wrote:I've been playing for nearly 3 years, and have 4 accounts now
I've lost between 50 and a hundred ships all together
Yesterday this character qualified for a Mackinaw, so I fitted one for her and she went ice mining in Agal with a Mammoth for hauling. She didn't even finish a cycle before the Mackinaw was gone and the Mammoth was at 80% armor
I guess I was lucky that Concord responded so quickly
I'm not sure that I've ever been ganked before, but, for some reason, this bothered me more than any other ship loss that I can remember
The other character involved was from 2005, and had a 2.1 Concord sec status. Probably had a lot of experience doing this kind of thing, because he/she/it was pretty slick
There are parts of this game that I enjoy. PvP isn't one of them. Especially not this type
So what options do I have? One week of kill rights. That's a big help for a miner. If I went looking for the ganker, what are the chances that I could catch up to him, and, if I did, I doubt that there would be a happy ending for me
So I'm not sure I'm going to keep playing. It seems to me that the game has changed since I started playing, and that the type of player that it attracts is changing, too. That part I blame on CCP. I think they have more control over the type of player the game attracts than most people think. But, let's face it. They do have to make a profit in order to support Hilmar's grand schemes
The question for me right now is: Do I want to try to keep playing the parts of the game that I like in spite of the quality of the other players
As I said. I really don't know. I do know that losing 4 more accounts is not going to have any noticeable effect on CCP, and that what I say in this is not going to have any effect on the players that I object to
This is the only public way that I have to express my dissatisfaction with the players and the trends I see. It's not the game. It's the players.
honestly you should be minning in 0.0 its pretty safe there... make sure you use comms to check for incomming peeps...
but tbh highsec is a death trap for minners...
well untill ccp comes out with the 5th subsystem set for tech III ships then you can return to high sec... |
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Pheusia
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
14
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Posted - 2012.03.14 15:40:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Nova Fox wrote:I mean seriously the quicker you learn how to stop being a victim the beter this game gets. Why, of course, in addition to have a PVP alt, she must train her miner alt to be as good as a PVP alt in case it gots kill rights on a hisec ganker... Very smart you are, sir. Very smart.
Nova is talking about the player, not the character.
There's no magic "PVP" skillbook that you train your character with to become a "PvPer". What happens is that one day you literally stop thinking like a victim and start thinking like a fighter. You learn situational awareness, preparedness, fitting for purpose, and accept that no one wins every time and losing the occasional ship is simply a cost of doing business. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1318
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Posted - 2012.03.14 15:51:00 -
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Quote:So what options do I have? One week of kill rights. That's a big help for a miner. If I went looking for the ganker, what are the chances that I could catch up to him, and, if I did, I doubt that there would be a happy ending for me
This is why the idea of "transferable kill rights" is popular. It would bring good PVP to all those suicide gankers who talk up how great PVP is and how the game is all about that and anybody who can't handle it should to back to WOW.
(funny though the gankers are always silent on the idea).
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Calliste Orange
House Orange
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Posted - 2012.03.14 16:00:00 -
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Sasha Azala wrote:Calliste Orange wrote:Because like them, you'll soon appreciate the need for a sort of sixth sense -which will come soon enough - the need for constant attentiion to your surroundings at all times, a dozen tips and tricks and, for added value -not infrequent excitement. You will lose covetors and macks of course, but the experience will sharpen over time and you will lose less of them.
You do realise the op has been playing for about 3 years? How long does it take to aquire this sixth sense?
*blank stare*
About 3 years. If prescribed valium, that's equivalent to a whole month.
What was it you asked, again?
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Momoyo
Interwebs Cooter Explosion Fatal Ascension
5
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Posted - 2012.03.14 16:06:00 -
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I started off my eve career as a miner and I still do it along side my other ventures into null and stuff to supply myself and other with ships caps etc. I have been ganked 2 or 3 times.
I dont ice mine anymore as its become more of a target especially since mackinaws are squishier than hulks. Key is to find a quiet system thats usually has less people in local and keep an eye on local and dscan. Also helps if theres no station or if there an ice belt as gankers tend to go after ice miners more atm. Just the other day I had a nice 5-6 hour mining session with my mates at the end of which i saw 3 thrashers enter local. Pretty good time to quit so I did. Better safe than sorry. Also helps to join or make friends with local mining corporations as they will have intel on which charatcers/corps are known fro suiicide ganking allowing you to set their standings and notice them faster.
This game is about interacting with others not afk mining for hours on end then getting butthurt when you walk back you your screen and see a pod floating in space.
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Evei Shard
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
73
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Posted - 2012.03.14 16:10:00 -
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Ana Vyr wrote:CCP's in a bit of a bind in that if they now institute anti-ganking rules of any kind in an attempt to hold onto players like you, they'll lose subs in droves when all the sociopathic tear harvesters quit in disgust.
They'd lose key parts of their dev team and their head of security, so yes, it is quite a bind for CCP. Profit favors the prepared |
Valei Khurelem
438
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Posted - 2012.03.14 16:13:00 -
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Quote:CCP's in a bit of a bind in that if they now institute anti-ganking rules of any kind in an attempt to hold onto players like you, they'll lose subs in droves when all the sociopathic tear harvesters quit in disgust.
If this game wasn't about ganking in the first place and actually required some form of player interaction rather than just botting accounts then people wouldn't be raging so much in the first place.
"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP." -á - CCP Ytterbium |
Sasha Azala
Blood and Decay
88
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Posted - 2012.03.14 16:14:00 -
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Calliste Orange wrote:Sasha Azala wrote:Calliste Orange wrote:Because like them, you'll soon appreciate the need for a sort of sixth sense -which will come soon enough - the need for constant attentiion to your surroundings at all times, a dozen tips and tricks and, for added value -not infrequent excitement. You will lose covetors and macks of course, but the experience will sharpen over time and you will lose less of them.
You do realise the op has been playing for about 3 years? How long does it take to aquire this sixth sense? *blank stare* About 3 years. If prescribed valium, that's equivalent to a whole month.What was it you asked, again?
One month actual time out of 3 years? You lightweight! |
Estrelita Nobunaga
Mazard Industries
2
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Posted - 2012.03.14 16:19:00 -
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I have to say that I'm surprised at the responses I received so far. I don't remember seeing 'Moar tears' even once.
Yes, I made a lot of mistakes on this operation, but, believe it or not, some of them were related to the newer game enhancements.
Normally, when I mine ice, I use a hardened Orca with a Siege Warfare Mindlink, a Mackinaw, a hardened Iteron V, and a BC. I can't run that many clients anymore though.
Estrelita flies Myrmidons, but only T1 fittings. This also affected the possible Mac fittings I could use.
I've spent a year in 0.0, mining, and my impressions are that the corps and alliances that hire you usually end up stealing more from you than you lose on ships. Maybe it's just bad luck, but I've been down there with more than 10 different corps. Everyone of them sucked. My last trip out nearly broke me. It cost more to get my gear out than I made there.
'Stop being a victim', to me, means stop playing the part of the game I enjoy, and start playing a part that I don't like at all. I would quit playing before I did that.
But what are the game alternatives? I haven't found anything close to Eve.
I've posted before, with other characters, that what I was looking for, when I started playing Eve, was a full immersion simulation of civilization spreading out through a new area of space. We seem to be getting farther away from that.
Good point about that player being older than I am. My impressions of the new players are based on experiences I've had recruiting. Not on the ganker's actions. However, it does seem, to me, that more than half of the new players attracted to the game are people I would not want to have as a next door neighbor, either in-game or out. Maybe it's just that, "I just want to blow things up,' attitude that I have problems with.
Edit: A couple of things I didn't mention.
System population when I went out to the belt was 4.
I don't AFK mine.
Total time in the belt was less than 4 minutes. |
Doc Severide
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
46
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Posted - 2012.03.14 16:27:00 -
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Seb Seba wrote:I guess that's why it's so easy to tell who's a RL looser just by reading one sentence. It's spelled loser, loser...
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Dragon Outlaw
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
44
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Posted - 2012.03.14 16:27:00 -
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I think that you were bored and that the recent events you experienced was a tipping point for your decision to leave the game. You should probably take a break from Eve and come back in a few months with another strategy. |
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Ariana DeSoto
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
55
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Posted - 2012.03.14 16:29:00 -
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Please let me know when and where you mine so I can come protect you. For a small fee of course. |
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
2962
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Posted - 2012.03.14 16:29:00 -
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Seb Seba wrote:Red Templar wrote:Maybe after 3 years you need to change profession? Mining? Seriously? It's fun how some of you believe that the game YOU play is the right one. I guess that's why it's so easy to tell who's a RL looser just by reading one sentence.
That would be you boy, as you can't even get the distinction between the adjective 'looser' and the noun 'loser'.
---- CONCORD arrested two n00bs yesterday, one was drinking battery acid, the other was eating fireworks. They charged one and let the other one off. |
Xen Solarus
Inner 5phere
23
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Posted - 2012.03.14 16:31:00 -
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You could try to get CCP to fix the broken bounty system, but thats almost as likely as them actually making high-sec safe from gankers.
Ultimately it'll take lots of high-sec carebears leaving the game for CCP to consider changing the current easy-gank mechanics. Be sure to put "high-sec ganking" as your reason when you unsub, assuming they care.
Its the age old argument of those that love pvp, and those that don't. I'm of the opinion that both types can exist in eve and enjoy the game. But unfortunately instead of pvp being limited to low and null, they just love collecting those tears and easy isk from the players that don't shoot back in high-sec.
I guess they must get pwned in real combat. |
Estrelita Nobunaga
Mazard Industries
3
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Posted - 2012.03.14 16:47:00 -
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Seb Seba wrote:
It's fun how some of you believe that the game YOU play is the right one. I guess that's why it's so easy to tell who's a RL looser just by reading one sentence.
I don't remember saying that the game I want to play is the right one for anyone else. It's just the right one for me.
So what if I'm a loser in RL? This kind of lesson isn't going to help me much, I don't think.
I'm one of the rare ones who don't think that RL ends at the keyboard.
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Jojo Booties
0
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Posted - 2012.03.14 16:52:00 -
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Over the years Estrelita, I have watched this game go down the toilet. We have a new breed of pilot, and they don't give a toss about anything that doesn't involve ruining somebody else's day. It's a case of 'where did all the good guys go?' |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
420
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Posted - 2012.03.14 16:55:00 -
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You know what would be a cool forum feature? Being able to filter out threads with the words "Loss" "Gank" or "Quit" in the OP. How about that for a paper cut?
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gfldex
376
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Posted - 2012.03.14 17:08:00 -
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Henry Haphorn wrote:It's that no one noticed it until some time later on when someone decided to go on a crusade using this mechanic.
You mean like 3 weeks after the game went public - 7 years ago? Back when there was no can flagging it was the only way to deal with ore thiefs. We used Kestrels for that job as they provided the best DPS/ISK ratio (and CONCORD used to be much slower).
I really wonder what happened to the player base in the last 7 years. Go to the old forum and travel back in time. It's shocking what players put up with. There was an outcry when Zombi attacked Yulai and got told by GMs to stop. Any form of interference of Devs or GMs with the sandbox was a sacrilege! All this whining nowadays because some PvP happened in a PvP game is just sickening.
The game has a tutorial that gives you a mining laser and a railgun and tells you to go shoot rocks and red crosses. It teaches you nothing else. It's been that way for 8 years, so are you really surprised that there are people who aren't aware that this is a pvp game? --Jafit McJafitson |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
420
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Posted - 2012.03.14 17:15:00 -
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gfldex wrote:Henry Haphorn wrote:It's that no one noticed it until some time later on when someone decided to go on a crusade using this mechanic. You mean like 3 weeks after the game went public - 7 years ago? Back when there was no can flagging it was the only way to deal with ore thiefs. We used Kestrels for that job as they provided the best DPS/ISK ratio (and CONCORD used to be much slower). I really wonder what happened to the player base in the last 7 years. Go to the old forum and travel back in time. It's shocking what players put up with. There was an outcry when Zombi attacked Yulai and got told by GMs to stop. Any form of interference of Devs or GMs with the sandbox was a sacrilege! All this whining nowadays because some PvP happened in a PvP game is just sickening. This ^
Big time. WTF has happened to us? It's like a sparkle pony alliance came from the sparkle pony online community and decided to take over eve. Almost makes the goons look good!
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Grey Azorria
Federation Industries
121
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Posted - 2012.03.14 17:22:00 -
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Pheusia wrote:Nova is talking about the player, not the character.
There's no magic "PVP" skillbook that you train your character with to become a "PvPer". What happens is that one day you literally stop thinking like a victim and start thinking like a fighter. You learn situational awareness, preparedness, fitting for purpose, and accept that no one wins every time and losing the occasional ship is simply a cost of doing business. Well said sir, well said.
Personally I would suggest rolling a ganglink alt (for tank bonuses), and actually fitting a tank to your mack next time.
Or better yet don't mine Ice, because of the lack of ice belts in high sec (a good thing btw) the odds of a ganker finding you are so much higher. Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1232
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Posted - 2012.03.14 17:28:00 -
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Estrelita Nobunaga wrote:Seb Seba wrote:
It's fun how some of you believe that the game YOU play is the right one. I guess that's why it's so easy to tell who's a RL looser just by reading one sentence.
I don't remember saying that the game I want to play is the right one for anyone else. It's just the right one for me. So what if I'm a loser in RL? This kind of lesson isn't going to help me much, I don't think. I'm one of the rare ones who don't think that RL ends at the keyboard.
If you have a problem disassociating a fantasy game from reality that is a seperate issue.
While this post is obviously a troll (3 years, lost 50 ships in that time, I'm a miner, first time I've been ganked = doesn't add up) the simple solution for one is this situation is to train up your "Situational Awareness" and "Evasion" skills a bit. Frankly, even a miner (or whatever) must needs have a grasp of certain aspects of combat simply in order to avoid it.
Carry on. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
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