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gfldex
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Posted - 2012.03.14 17:31:00 -
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Estrelita Nobunaga wrote:I have to say that I'm surprised at the responses I received so far. I don't remember seeing 'Moar tears' even once.
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I've spent a year in 0.0, mining, and my impressions are that the corps and alliances that hire you usually end up stealing more from you than you lose on ships. Maybe it's just bad luck, but I've been down there with more than 10 different corps. Everyone of them sucked. My last trip out nearly broke me. It cost more to get my gear out than I made there.
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'Stop being a victim', to me, means stop playing the part of the game I enjoy, and start playing a part that I don't like at all. I would quit playing before I did that.
But what are the game alternatives? I haven't found anything close to Eve.
I've posted before, with other characters, that what I was looking for, when I started playing Eve, was a full immersion simulation of civilization spreading out through a new area of space. We seem to be getting farther away from that.
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System population when I went out to the belt was 4.
I don't AFK mine.
Total time in the belt was less than 4 minutes.
If HTFU posts are new to you, you didn't spend much time on this very forum. We have a i-got-ganked-ppl-are-bad-in-RL-thread at least once per week.
That you are unable to join a proper corp is to no surprise. Proper corps will require you to have killboard stats that show you are able to fight for what you own and that you lose ships with reasonable fittings. A corp that hires exclusively carebears will get stomped sooner or later. This game is won by industry _and_ guns.
There are no alternatives to EVE for you because pure carebear games provide little reason to actions of players. Do you realize that all those mins you gather go into ships that are then subsequently destroyed? Without that consumption your production would be meaningless and as a result won't earn you any money. You, as a miner, literally live of those gankers you insist to insult. And yes, calling somebody a bad person IRL because he destroyed your ship in a PvP game is an insult.
You seam to believe that only those PvPers should lose ships. Why? What makes a miner so special that he is entitled to not lose a ship?
You where not ganked before because it happens much less often then plenty of ppl want to make the public believe. I know because I live of miners. I'm the person that is buying your mins and turn them into a profit. Yet, I have any reason to gank you because dropping mineral prices can turn my profit into a loss.
Do you see the irony in your whining? By insisting to be safe you hurt yourself because your safety can only mean that mineral prices drop.
Are you playing the wrong game? I believe so. You even fail to understand what you live off. Bad players are driven out of the game. There are games that don't do that. Go play those but for all what is holy leave the only good game in the market as it is. The game has a tutorial that gives you a mining laser and a railgun and tells you to go shoot rocks and red crosses. It teaches you nothing else. It's been that way for 8 years, so are you really surprised that there are people who aren't aware that this is a pvp game? --Jafit McJafitson |
Momoyo
Interwebs Cooter Explosion Fatal Ascension
6
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Posted - 2012.03.14 17:33:00 -
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Sounds like you just got unlucky. Like I said I dont ice mine anymore because its riskier and macks are squishier. Ore mining is usually more profitable anyway.
Why do you run an itty and an orca btw? Also theres really no reason to have an alt in a combat ship there unless its for rats. If someone wants to gank you you cant really stop them you can just hope they die before you. One strategy you could use is to use a noob alt to shoot one of your ships to spawn concord in belt with you. It gets a little harder for them to gank you and if you see concord disappear that means they ganked somewhere else or purposely did something to get concord out of your belt so they could gank you. |
I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
70
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Posted - 2012.03.14 17:38:00 -
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It's funny how some people love to harp on miners because they like to mine. Do you really think ganking miners would be as cheap for you gankers as it is without miners? Seriously though, there is no wrong way to play EVE. If you think you're better than someone else just because of your play style, you're not. As many gankers say... Eve is a sandbox. Exactly. ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o )
The world would be a better place if boobies ran the world instead of boobs. |
Kessiaan
Greater Order Of Destruction Happy Endings
99
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Posted - 2012.03.14 17:38:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Nova Fox wrote:I mean seriously the quicker you learn how to stop being a victim the beter this game gets. Why, of course, in addition to have a PVP alt, she must train her miner alt to be as good as a PVP alt in case it gots kill rights on a hisec ganker... Very smart you are, sir. Very smart.
Worked for me - I started EvE as a hardcore minerbear. About the time I got Exhumers V I decided I'd had enough of people ******* with me all the time and I've been shooting people ever since.
ofc if Zyd goes as high as people are saying it will I might actually undock my Hulk again for the first time in years. But it'll be in null where I have good regional intel and don't have to wait for someone to shoot me before the space police decide to let me fight back. My killboard - http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Kessiaan |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1232
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Posted - 2012.03.14 17:47:00 -
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I Love Boobies wrote:It's funny how some people love to harp on miners because they like to mine. Do you really think ganking miners would be as cheap for you gankers as it is without miners? Seriously though, there is no wrong way to play EVE. If you think you're better than someone else just because of your play style, you're not. As many gankers say... Eve is a sandbox. Exactly.
Personally I would never claim one play style to be inherently superior to another.
However I do understand a certain amount of derision directed at people who, because they choose not to actively engage in combat, feel they should be able to safely ignore it completely.
When in dangerous waters, even the captain of a freighter needs to know how to spot imminent danger and how to avoid it... and in EVE all waters are dangerous to varying degree's. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Trainwreck McGee
Ghost Ship Inc.
234
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Posted - 2012.03.14 17:51:00 -
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This game isnt for you
go away
i think you want sims CCP Trainwreck - Weekend Custodial Engineer / CCP Necrogoats foot stool |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1880
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Posted - 2012.03.14 17:58:00 -
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OP should thank the ganker for freeing her from the shackles of ice mining. I can't think of a dumber way to make money. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Taihbea
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
12
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Posted - 2012.03.14 18:16:00 -
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Bumblefck wrote:Seb Seba wrote:Red Templar wrote:Maybe after 3 years you need to change profession? Mining? Seriously? It's fun how some of you believe that the game YOU play is the right one. I guess that's why it's so easy to tell who's a RL looser just by reading one sentence. That would be you boy, as you can't even get the distinction between the adjective 'looser' and the noun 'loser'.
So now the ability to speak English is the definition of loser/awesomnez?
Jeez people are stupid. |
Estrelita Nobunaga
Mazard Industries
3
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Posted - 2012.03.14 20:33:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:
If you have a problem disassociating a fantasy game from reality that is a seperate issue.
While this post is obviously a troll (3 years, lost 50 ships in that time, I'm a miner, first time I've been ganked = doesn't add up) the simple solution for one is this situation is to train up your "Situational Awareness" and "Evasion" skills a bit. Frankly, even a miner (or whatever) must needs have a grasp of certain aspects of combat simply in order to avoid it.
Carry on.
I honestly feel that, when we begin disassociating what we do on computers from what we do in real life, it will begin the end of civilization as we know it. And I don't think that the alternative is all that great.
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1232
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Posted - 2012.03.14 20:34:00 -
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Estrelita Nobunaga wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:
If you have a problem disassociating a fantasy game from reality that is a seperate issue.
While this post is obviously a troll (3 years, lost 50 ships in that time, I'm a miner, first time I've been ganked = doesn't add up) the simple solution for one is this situation is to train up your "Situational Awareness" and "Evasion" skills a bit. Frankly, even a miner (or whatever) must needs have a grasp of certain aspects of combat simply in order to avoid it.
Carry on.
I honestly feel that, when we begin disassociating what we do on computers from what we do in real life, it will begin the end of civilization as we know it. And I don't think that the alternative is all that great.
Computers have little to do with it.
Look up the definition of RPG and get back to us. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
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Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
990
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Posted - 2012.03.14 20:36:00 -
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Estrelita Nobunaga wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:
If you have a problem disassociating a fantasy game from reality that is a seperate issue.
While this post is obviously a troll (3 years, lost 50 ships in that time, I'm a miner, first time I've been ganked = doesn't add up) the simple solution for one is this situation is to train up your "Situational Awareness" and "Evasion" skills a bit. Frankly, even a miner (or whatever) must needs have a grasp of certain aspects of combat simply in order to avoid it.
Carry on.
I honestly feel that, when we begin disassociating what we do on computers from what we do in real life, it will begin the end of civilization as we know it. And I don't think that the alternative is all that great. Edit: Oops, left out a few things. The fact that you can't tell the difference between your fantasies and my reality doesn't say much about you. No troll. Just facts. You could have checked.
the jita park soap box is that way =======>
The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
Estrelita Nobunaga
Mazard Industries
3
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Posted - 2012.03.14 20:38:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:
Look up the definition of RPG and get back to us.
RPG has nothing to do with it. I am one of the crippled. The role I play is the role I live. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1893
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Posted - 2012.03.14 20:43:00 -
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Estrelita Nobunaga wrote:
I honestly feel that, when we begin disassociating what we do on computers from what we do in real life, it will begin the end of civilization as we know it. And I don't think that the alternative is all that great.
I am a spaceship pilot in real life.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1234
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Posted - 2012.03.14 20:47:00 -
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Estrelita Nobunaga wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:
Look up the definition of RPG and get back to us.
RPG has nothing to do with it. I am one of the crippled. The role I play is the role I live.
A bit over the top, if you were going to go for the "I'm a victim because I'm crippled" ploy you should have played that card earlier in the game.
You're not very good at this.
Putting that aside for the sake of amusement, if you believe that you are a handicapped Ice miner in real life, so be it. Rest assured that the fella that blew up your Mac doesn't believe he can blow up harvesters in real life, and has a pretty good idea of how to seperate fantasy from reality. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Estrelita Nobunaga
Mazard Industries
6
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Posted - 2012.03.14 22:24:00 -
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gfldex, sorry, but I saw you once in rookie ship. That's about what I expected.
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Estrelita Nobunaga
Mazard Industries
6
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Posted - 2012.03.14 22:30:00 -
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[quote=Ladie Harlot [/quote]
You need to do better. You are already in my junk filter. |
Estrelita Nobunaga
Mazard Industries
6
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Posted - 2012.03.14 22:40:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Estrelita Nobunaga wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:
Look up the definition of RPG and get back to us.
RPG has nothing to do with it. I am one of the crippled. The role I play is the role I live. A bit over the top, if you were going to go for the "I'm a victim because I'm crippled" ploy you should have played that card earlier in the game. You're not very good at this. Putting that aside for the sake of amusement, if you believe that you are a handicapped Ice miner in real life, so be it. Rest assured that the fella that blew up your Mac doesn't believe he can blow up harvesters in real life, and has a pretty good idea of how to seperate fantasy from reality.
(Bet you've never even seen a real Ranger) This interests me. I quoted all, so I can answer in driblets.
Role Playing Game: A game that may allow people to 'get outside of themselves'. Allow them to do things they wouldn't ordinarily do. Therapeutic? No. Increases the risk of bizarre or unaccepted behavior? Yes.
Is that what the world wants? More nutcases? I'm not sure you know, but we're in trouble here.
Check gasoline prices. Check heating fuel prices. Check food prices.
Edit: You can kill me with your brain? My estimate is that it would have to fall about 200,000 km and make a direct hit. Of course, figures are based on common bird ****.
Then Pac-Man on, just like you have been doing. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1235
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Posted - 2012.03.14 22:58:00 -
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Estrelita Nobunaga wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Estrelita Nobunaga wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:
Look up the definition of RPG and get back to us.
RPG has nothing to do with it. I am one of the crippled. The role I play is the role I live. A bit over the top, if you were going to go for the "I'm a victim because I'm crippled" ploy you should have played that card earlier in the game. You're not very good at this. Putting that aside for the sake of amusement, if you believe that you are a handicapped Ice miner in real life, so be it. Rest assured that the fella that blew up your Mac doesn't believe he can blow up harvesters in real life, and has a pretty good idea of how to seperate fantasy from reality. (Bet you've never even seen a real Ranger) This interests me. I quoted all, so I can answer in driblets. Role Playing Game: A game that may allow people to 'get outside of themselves'. Allow them to do things they wouldn't ordinarily do. Therapeutic? No. Increases the risk of bizarre or unaccepted behavior? Yes. Is that what the world wants? More nutcases? I'm not sure you know, but we're in trouble here. Check gasoline prices. Check heating fuel prices. Check food prices. Edit: You can kill me with your brain? My estimate is that it would have to fall about 200,000 km and make a direct hit. Of course, figures are based on common bird ****. Then Pac-Man on, just like you have been doing.
... aaaaand I think with that brilliant rebuttal we can safely put this troll thread to bed. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Estrelita Nobunaga
Mazard Industries
6
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Posted - 2012.03.14 23:01:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:... aaaaand I think with that brilliant rebuttal we can safely put this troll thread to bed.
Thank you for the one positive thing you have done to this thread.
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Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
994
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Posted - 2012.03.14 23:04:00 -
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Estrelita Nobunaga wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:... aaaaand I think with that brilliant rebuttal we can safely put this troll thread to bed. Thank you for the one positive thing you have done to this thread.
what did you ever do for this train wreck of a thread?
anyhow, I thought you were quitting, you're not doing a very good job of it if you are.
The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
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Nikodiemus
Perkone Caldari State
19
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Posted - 2012.03.14 23:47:00 -
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Estrelita Nobunaga wrote:I've been playing for nearly 3 years, and have 4 accounts now
I've lost between 50 and a hundred ships all together
Don't PVP a lot do you sir? |
Herping yourDerp
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
413
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Posted - 2012.03.15 00:03:00 -
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i would run missions in not super expensive boats, good isk and chances of being ganked are slim to none unless you let can flippers and ninja salvagers get under your skin if you see one in your mission dock for say, 30 minutes or an hours then try again. |
Roh Voleto
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
107
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Posted - 2012.03.15 00:21:00 -
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Estrelita Nobunaga wrote:...and have 4 accounts now...
This game is not made for you. The circumstance that you consider your multi-boxing as something worth mentioning indicates that you would be better off playing a game made by a company who values their customers. |
EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
358
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Posted - 2012.03.15 00:23:00 -
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Roh Voleto wrote:Estrelita Nobunaga wrote:...and have 4 accounts now...
This game is not made for you. The circumstance that you consider your multi-boxing as something worth mentioning indicates that you would be better off playing a game made by a company who values their customers.
Look at this passive-aggressive badposting. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
535
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Posted - 2012.03.15 00:34:00 -
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Everytime I see one of these threads I just /faceplam
Why is a 3 year vet with 4 accounts surprised when they are ganked in a system like Agal that is known for ganks, and has recently been publicized as having quite a few?
A few general suggestions: * Drop the victim mentality. Everything bad that happens to you in EVE is your own fault. * Don't AFK. This one thing will prevent the vast majority of losses. * Use dscan constantly to spot incoming combat ships (set the range and filters appropriately). * Use a Covetor and insure it. * Fit defensively, or be prepared to pay for losses as a cost of mining. * Use ECM drones. Don't use them on belt rats; just tank those, or let an Orca take care of them. * Use a DST instead of an Industrial (the Minmatar Mastodon is second to only the Caldari Bustard for durability and cargo). * Don't leave the hauler in the belt when it doesn't need to be. * Spread the fleet out (use a Small Tractor Beam II on the hauler, heck, Orca are bonused for it). * Overheat hardeners and warp out whenever suspicious, but don't expect to get away from someone already on grid. * Keep moving if possible, preferably in a direction you can warp. * Off-grid siege warfare and armor boosters might not help, but they can't hurt. * Know the system. Check statistics and killmails. Recognize the regulars. * Pay attention to the local pilot count and chat. * Set known gankers to -5 so you can spot them easily. Check killboards too. * Don't mine in a busy system.
If you get ganked: * Never emo rage about it in local. * Chat with the attacker in local if possible. Be polite, cordial, and complimentary, even if they trash-talk you. * Laugh the loss off. It is only a replaceable ship. (Even implants are replaceable.) * Set the attacker to -5 so you can spot them in the future. * Move to another system.
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Roh Voleto
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
107
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Posted - 2012.03.15 01:10:00 -
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EnderCapitalG wrote:
Look at this passive-aggressive badposting.
I'd be all faux-understanding and compassionate instead, but then I would have to justify to myself why I still bother with this game.
I rather spew some passive bitter tonight, and very actively aggress you the next time we meet at a lowsec belt.
Edit: "I do", rather than "I would". Edit 2: Some day I will learn when to use "then", and when to use "than". |
Keen Fallsword
Billionaires Club BLACK-MARK
41
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Posted - 2012.03.15 01:19:00 -
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Estrelita Nobunaga wrote:I've been playing for nearly 3 years, and have 4 accounts now
I've lost between 50 and a hundred ships all together
Yesterday this character qualified for a Mackinaw, so I fitted one for her and she went ice mining in Agal with a Mammoth for hauling. She didn't even finish a cycle before the Mackinaw was gone and the Mammoth was at 80% armor
I guess I was lucky that Concord responded so quickly
I'm not sure that I've ever been ganked before, but, for some reason, this bothered me more than any other ship loss that I can remember
The other character involved was from 2005, and had a 2.1 Concord sec status. Probably had a lot of experience doing this kind of thing, because he/she/it was pretty slick
There are parts of this game that I enjoy. PvP isn't one of them. Especially not this type
So what options do I have? One week of kill rights. That's a big help for a miner. If I went looking for the ganker, what are the chances that I could catch up to him, and, if I did, I doubt that there would be a happy ending for me
So I'm not sure I'm going to keep playing. It seems to me that the game has changed since I started playing, and that the type of player that it attracts is changing, too. That part I blame on CCP. I think they have more control over the type of player the game attracts than most people think. But, let's face it. They do have to make a profit in order to support Hilmar's grand schemes
The question for me right now is: Do I want to try to keep playing the parts of the game that I like in spite of the quality of the other players
As I said. I really don't know. I do know that losing 4 more accounts is not going to have any noticeable effect on CCP, and that what I say in this is not going to have any effect on the players that I object to
This is the only public way that I have to express my dissatisfaction with the players and the trends I see. It's not the game. It's the players.
Man you need to be smarter go to 0.0 there is many ice belts. Ice mining in 0.0 is almost 100% safe ! Geee... Join 0.0 ally and no more gankers. Everyone need fuel |
Estrelita Nobunaga
Mazard Industries
6
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Posted - 2012.03.15 01:21:00 -
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Tau. STFU. You have long outlived any usefulness you think you my have had.
I used to follow the 'Word of Tau' like the Bible.
I learned better.
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Estrelita Nobunaga
Mazard Industries
6
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Posted - 2012.03.15 01:25:00 -
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Keen Fallsword wrote:
Man you need to be smarter go to 0.0 there is many ice belts. Ice mining in 0.0 is almost 100% safe ! Geee... Join 0.0 ally and no more gankers. Everyone need fuel
Dealt with that before, but I will say it again. The only person in 0.0 that you can trust is yourself, and I wouldn't be too sure about that.
There is nothing in 0.0 worth the trip. Even 1 way.
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Ganagati
Perkone Caldari State
82
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Posted - 2012.03.15 01:28:00 -
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0.0 really is the place to go. Highsec is well known for being more dangerous to miners and haulers than 0.0 ever could be. NAPs abound in 0.0. There is a TINY likelihood of a blue attacking you... but you have a better chance of getting suicide ganked 10x over in highsec.
0.0 is safer for mining. Go there. AFK mine to your <3's content. Keep a POS bookmarked for if someone enters the sector. Proof Titans are rare (just another null battle): http://i.imgur.com/CY6x4.jpg-áBattles in EVE can look kinda silly sometimes, huh? |
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