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Estrelita Nobunaga
Mazard Industries
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Posted - 2012.03.14 14:09:00 -
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I've been playing for nearly 3 years, and have 4 accounts now
I've lost between 50 and a hundred ships all together
Yesterday this character qualified for a Mackinaw, so I fitted one for her and she went ice mining in Agal with a Mammoth for hauling. She didn't even finish a cycle before the Mackinaw was gone and the Mammoth was at 80% armor
I guess I was lucky that Concord responded so quickly
I'm not sure that I've ever been ganked before, but, for some reason, this bothered me more than any other ship loss that I can remember
The other character involved was from 2005, and had a 2.1 Concord sec status. Probably had a lot of experience doing this kind of thing, because he/she/it was pretty slick
There are parts of this game that I enjoy. PvP isn't one of them. Especially not this type
So what options do I have? One week of kill rights. That's a big help for a miner. If I went looking for the ganker, what are the chances that I could catch up to him, and, if I did, I doubt that there would be a happy ending for me
So I'm not sure I'm going to keep playing. It seems to me that the game has changed since I started playing, and that the type of player that it attracts is changing, too. That part I blame on CCP. I think they have more control over the type of player the game attracts than most people think. But, let's face it. They do have to make a profit in order to support Hilmar's grand schemes
The question for me right now is: Do I want to try to keep playing the parts of the game that I like in spite of the quality of the other players
As I said. I really don't know. I do know that losing 4 more accounts is not going to have any noticeable effect on CCP, and that what I say in this is not going to have any effect on the players that I object to
This is the only public way that I have to express my dissatisfaction with the players and the trends I see. It's not the game. It's the players. |
Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
982
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Posted - 2012.03.14 14:13:00 -
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sorry for your loss
it's the same playerbase its been since the start
be more aware and you won't get ganked in highly publicized interdiction ops
also be glad it wasn't a hulk The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
Lt Angus
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
59
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Posted - 2012.03.14 14:14:00 -
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You been lucky to avoid getting ganked until now but really the game has always been like this |
Ana Vyr
Vyral Technologies
173
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Posted - 2012.03.14 14:14:00 -
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CCP's in a bit of a bind in that if they now institute anti-ganking rules of any kind in an attempt to hold onto players like you, they'll lose subs in droves when all the sociopathic tear harvesters quit in disgust. |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3421
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Posted - 2012.03.14 14:15:00 -
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Sounds like you probably need to dabble on how to kill other players. I hgihly recommend rolling an alt whos sole purpose is to kill other players.
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Aiwha
101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda
202
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Posted - 2012.03.14 14:15:00 -
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If you've just now been suicide ganked you've been playing this game correctly right up to that point. Regards,
LCpl. Aiwha-á Senior Recruiter |
Skydell
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
175
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Posted - 2012.03.14 14:15:00 -
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Quit 3 months If you don't find anything else that you enjoy. Come back. It's usually 3 months when they hand out a 5 day return.
Griefers want to put the run to us, CCP don't seem to have any desire to stop them. Play along. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2869
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Posted - 2012.03.14 14:16:00 -
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i'm sorry that your "end-game" is mining ice in a mackinaw "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Red Templar
Raging Ducks Goonswarm Federation
169
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Posted - 2012.03.14 14:20:00 -
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Maybe after 3 years you need to change profession? Mining? Seriously? For Love. For Peace. For Honor.
For None of the Above.
For Pony! |
Andrea Griffin
181
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Posted - 2012.03.14 14:23:00 -
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Quote:So what options do I have? One week of kill rights. That's a big help for a miner. Stop playing the victim card. CCP Sreegs is my favorite developer. |
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Mr John22ta
Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
3
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Posted - 2012.03.14 14:24:00 -
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Ana Vyr wrote:CCP's in a bit of a bind in that if they now institute anti-ganking rules of any kind in an attempt to hold onto players like you, they'll lose subs in droves when all the sociopathic tear harvesters quit in disgust.
CCP has already introduced "anti-ganking" incentives in the removal of insurance for those that are killed by Concord. This is as far as they will go, as they both encourage and support these types of behaviors. The reason they support it is because it's part of what make's Eve Eve. CCP isn't "in a bind" because of this, if anything it's due to the "softening" of the game through things like PVE and Barbies in space.
To the OP - It happens, deal with it and move on or don't and quit. This sort of thing happens daily, and just like in RL sometimes you get **** on. As a player of four years, I'm more than surprised this is the first time you've been affected by this. I'd say get over it and keep on trucking, one of the main points of this game is uncontrollable stuff happens, and how you learn, adapt and overcome to emerge a stronger player is what makes Eve so addicting. If you don't feel that way, this might not be the game for you. GL and remember it's just pixels, you can always come back from it. |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3421
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Posted - 2012.03.14 14:25:00 -
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I mean seriously the quicker you learn how to stop being a victim the beter this game gets.
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Sasha Azala
Blood and Decay
87
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Posted - 2012.03.14 14:25:00 -
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EVE is not safe even in high-sec, but I'm sure you've heard that before. EVE is essentially a PvP game, you don't have to PvP in EVE but you're always a potential target.
Type of player I don't think has changed that much, peoples attitudes have changed more I think. Especially with the anti-botting movement.
Ice mining is one of those targeted professions so it's no real surprise you lost the ship. Although you don't mention if you were semi-afk or not. I used to mine semi-afk years ago, although I certainly not do that now, but I no longer mine anyway.
You've lost over 50 ships already, yet this loss bothers you. Why is it so different to the others? A loss is a loss regardless how it happens. |
Alaura Aquila
13th Tribe of Kobol Expeditionary
6
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Posted - 2012.03.14 14:28:00 -
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I guess you were in the wrong place and the wrong time, once I went to let the dog out while mining and came back to a fleet of flashing red Thrashers coming in on top of my Hulk. I remember trying to rush to my seat and activate my hardners, but I was too late. The irony was, I was sitting there the whole time ready to do that, and that one time I got up, was when they struck. Talk about bad luck.
Here's the killmail:
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=10749118
Yes, I should have had buffer, prob would have saved me. |
Seb Seba
Polaris Distribution
7
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Posted - 2012.03.14 14:28:00 -
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Red Templar wrote:Maybe after 3 years you need to change profession? Mining? Seriously?
It's fun how some of you believe that the game YOU play is the right one. I guess that's why it's so easy to tell who's a RL looser just by reading one sentence. |
Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
982
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Posted - 2012.03.14 14:29:00 -
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anyone else find it highly ironic that the OP took the last name of one of Japan's greatest WARlords to shoot rocks for 3 years?
The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
Darth Tickles
Northstar Cabal Fatal Ascension
53
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Posted - 2012.03.14 14:32:00 -
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Estrelita Nobunaga wrote:There are parts of this game that I enjoy. PvP isn't one of them. Especially not this type
Eve is PvP. That's why the ganking mechanic exists. Even in the safest place in the game, you are not 100% immune when you are undocked.
Deal with it or find a game that you like better. Eve is a niche game, and doesn't have to be for everyone, nor is there anything "wrong" with someone who doesn't fit into that niche (though you're unlikely to be someone I'd like to have a beer with if you can't handle having your space pixels blown up).
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Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
368
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Posted - 2012.03.14 14:34:00 -
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Seb Seba wrote:Red Templar wrote:Maybe after 3 years you need to change profession? Mining? Seriously? It's fun how some of you believe that the game YOU play is the right one. I guess that's why it's so easy to tell who's a RL looser just by reading one sentence.
I can't say it any better either than these 2 simple statements....
OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |
Garnoo
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
12
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Posted - 2012.03.14 14:36:00 -
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can i get your stuff? People are going to try to ruin your day. Get together with others, ruin their day back - this is EvE |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3421
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Posted - 2012.03.14 14:37:00 -
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Morganta wrote:anyone else find it highly ironic that the OP took the last name of one of Japan's greatest WARlords to shoot rocks for 3 years?
Would it be funnier if her name was sun'tzu?
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
323
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Posted - 2012.03.14 14:37:00 -
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Nova Fox wrote:I mean seriously the quicker you learn how to stop being a victim the beter this game gets.
Why, of course, in addition to have a PVP alt, she must train her miner alt to be as good as a PVP alt in case it gots kill rights on a hisec ganker...
Very smart you are, sir. Very smart. EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% non-Highsec residents.
EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about...-á |
Abyss Azizora
Amarrian Warfactory
16
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Posted - 2012.03.14 14:38:00 -
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I must admit, it's rare to see someone go that long "without" being suicide ganked, especially a miner. Funny thing about the so-called interdiction is that the bots already adapted to use perma-run shield/armor transfers, and now use propper tanks, making them almost immune to removal via-suicide ganking. (And the ones they do lose to malestrom BS volleys are easily replaced.) And yet players still haven't.
Edit: On a positive note, I hear word of transferable kill-rights for fixing much of the risk-free suicide ganking problem. Hell people may actually pay you for the ability to gank the gankers in the near future. That should offset much of the losses. |
Ana Vyr
Vyral Technologies
173
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Posted - 2012.03.14 14:43:00 -
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Mr John22ta wrote:Ana Vyr wrote:CCP's in a bit of a bind in that if they now institute anti-ganking rules of any kind in an attempt to hold onto players like you, they'll lose subs in droves when all the sociopathic tear harvesters quit in disgust. CCP has already introduced "anti-ganking" incentives in the removal of insurance for those that are killed by Concord. This is as far as they will go, as they both encourage and support these types of behaviors. The reason they support it is because it's part of what make's Eve Eve. CCP isn't "in a bind" because of this, if anything it's due to the "softening" of the game through things like PVE and Barbies in space.
Yeah, those were some awesome anti-ganking incentives, LOL. Personally, I don't care a bit about how harsh the game is because that's what makes it EvE, so I completely agree with you there. But then CCP and the community needs to stop crying about sub numbers, because the game isn't going to grow mainstream with folks running around blowing up peoples assets for no reason other than to humiliate them and see if they'll cry.
EvE will always be a niche game, and that suits me just fine. I bet CCP wouldn't agree though, as evidenced by their awkward attempts to make the game more appealing to non hard core PvPers with features like WiS. All I'm saying is that CCP can't have it both ways.
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Hexus Draidin
Intersteller Masons Wonder Kids
45
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Posted - 2012.03.14 14:43:00 -
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It's simple, really. Never undock a ship without expecting to lose it the moment you undock. Every time you undock , do your thing and dock again safely will be a pleasant surprise. You've been lucky to avoid suicide ganking for so long in EVE, but this is one of those lessons that you need to learn. Everything you have in EVE can and probably will be scammed, destroyed, or stolen from you. |
TheBlueMonkey
Natural Progression
86
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Posted - 2012.03.14 14:48:00 -
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Estrelita Nobunaga wrote:I've been playing for nearly 3 years, and have 4 accounts now
I've lost between 50 and a hundred ships all together
Yesterday this character qualified for a Mackinaw, so I fitted one for her and she went ice mining in Agal with a Mammoth for hauling. She didn't even finish a cycle before the Mackinaw was gone and the Mammoth was at 80% armor
I guess I was lucky that Concord responded so quickly
I'm not sure that I've ever been ganked before, but, for some reason, this bothered me more than any other ship loss that I can remember
The other character involved was from 2005, and had a 2.1 Concord sec status. Probably had a lot of experience doing this kind of thing, because he/she/it was pretty slick
There are parts of this game that I enjoy. PvP isn't one of them. Especially not this type
So what options do I have? One week of kill rights. That's a big help for a miner. If I went looking for the ganker, what are the chances that I could catch up to him, and, if I did, I doubt that there would be a happy ending for me
So I'm not sure I'm going to keep playing. It seems to me that the game has changed since I started playing, and that the type of player that it attracts is changing, too. That part I blame on CCP. I think they have more control over the type of player the game attracts than most people think. But, let's face it. They do have to make a profit in order to support Hilmar's grand schemes
The question for me right now is: Do I want to try to keep playing the parts of the game that I like in spite of the quality of the other players
As I said. I really don't know. I do know that losing 4 more accounts is not going to have any noticeable effect on CCP, and that what I say in this is not going to have any effect on the players that I object to
This is the only public way that I have to express my dissatisfaction with the players and the trends I see. It's not the game. It's the players.
Join a decent 0.0 alliance and mine in peace
That's my constructive bit
My less constructive post is HTFU |
Darth Tickles
Northstar Cabal Fatal Ascension
53
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Posted - 2012.03.14 14:50:00 -
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Ana Vyr wrote:EvE will always be a niche game, and that suits me just fine. I bet CCP wouldn't agree though, as evidenced by their awkward attempts to make the game more appealing to non hard core PvPers with features like WiS. All I'm saying is that CCP can't have it both ways.
This I agree with. However, I think there is a grey area alternative in that people can learn to like the niche aspect of Eve, given the right amount of time and progression structure. Some people love Eve and are natural customers, some people hate it and will never last more than 5 days, yet in the middle is a huge range of people that might grow to be loyal customers and dedicated players given the right set of experiences as they play the game initially. I think that`s where CCP needs to focus its efforts to expanding the playerbase. They`ve got a solid niche identity, they just need to learn to create an environment where people can go from having their hands held to enjoying the freedom of a harsh sandbox game.
I think Eve is cutting edge, and that more and more games will take on some of the foundational characteristics that make Eve what it is. It`s just right now the vast majority of gamers are used to heavily structured and low-consequence games. However, I believe there is also a growing dissatisfaction with these games, it`s just people haven`t learned to identify that it`s this very handholding and excessive structure that makes these games boring and ultimately unsatisfying. |
Lyron-Baktos
Selective Pressure Rote Kapelle
56
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Posted - 2012.03.14 14:50:00 -
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there is nothing wrong with being a 100% miner as long as you enjoy it so don't listen to people who try to tell you otherwise.
Regarding your gank, try to figure out what you did wrong or if you did nothing wrong, figure out what you can do to make yourself safer. pay more attention to local/scanner, add more gank/speed to your ships to help you escape quicker, don't mine in the same spot too long etc etc
I will say I don't agree with suicide ganking. takes the "realness" out of it On holiday. -áIn some other world. Where the music of the radio was a labyrinth of sonorous colours. To a bright centre of absolute convicton. -áWhere the dripping patchouli was more than scent. -á It was a sun |
Doddy
Excidium. Executive Outcomes
25
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Posted - 2012.03.14 14:52:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Nova Fox wrote:I mean seriously the quicker you learn how to stop being a victim the beter this game gets. Why, of course, in addition to have a PVP alt, she must train her miner alt to be as good as a PVP alt in case it gots kill rights on a hisec ganker... Very smart you are, sir. Very smart.
It takes like 5 days to make a miner pvp capable. Anyway kill rights (which last much longer than a week btw) are not to be wasted on a pvp ship, you wait for him to go fly past in a hauler full of goodies.
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THE L0CK
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
46
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Posted - 2012.03.14 14:52:00 -
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Garnoo wrote:can i get your stuff?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VcppiFP4sc Do you smell what the Lock's cooking? |
Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
346
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Posted - 2012.03.14 15:03:00 -
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Estrelita Nobunaga wrote:I've been playing for nearly 3 years, and have 4 accounts now
The other character involved was from 2005, and had a 2.1 Concord sec status. Probably had a lot of experience doing this kind of thing, because he/she/it was pretty slick
It seems to me that the game has changed since I started playing, and that the type of player that it attracts is changing, too. That part I blame on CCP. I think they have more control over the type of player the game attracts than most people think.
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Now I dont want to look like im trolling you because I am not. So you have been playing for 3 years, the guy who killed you has been playing for 7 years, you are cross about the type of people the game attracts now. The guy who killed you is over twice your age, so does that mean you are the type of person teh game attracts now and he was the original type? Am I reading this wrong?
You have been playing 3 years and only ganked once, and now. Thats actually pretty good. Ganking miners has been going on since miners have existed, this is no new thing, and to be honest I dont think it is any more prolific now than it was when you started 3 years ago if you take out the ice interdiction (which was a valid in game tactic that was used by a major power to get a specific result).
So really, I think you are somehow redirecting your real issues with eve onto this one small event. Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
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Calliste Orange
House Orange
0
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Posted - 2012.03.14 15:06:00 -
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There is something you can do to help your plight if it is a viable option, give or take.
Try to locate your nearest or dearest Faction Warfare corp who has an Indy division (they're out there) and ask to sign up with them for potential mutual gain. Their miners, if they have them, contend with griefers and war targets simultaneously. Sometimes they'll have a standing guard -but it's better that they don't if they're simply mining ice or low-ends.
Why?
Because like them, you'll soon appreciate the need for a sort of sixth sense -which will come soon enough - the need for constant attentiion to your surroundings at all times, a dozen tips and tricks and, for added value -not infrequent excitement. You will lose covetors and macks of course, but the experience will sharpen over time and you will lose less of them.
I've been doing this for a while now, and there is simply no better teacher than FW mining as to how to increase survival odds, sometimes quite dramatically -solo. If you have a FW corp guard, so much the better -but solo teaches you more, at least at first. Haven't lost a mack yet.
Give it a try.
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Shogun Archer
Phoenix Rise Industries
9
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Posted - 2012.03.14 15:09:00 -
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Morganta wrote:anyone else find it highly ironic that the OP took the last name of one of Japan's greatest WARlords to shoot rocks for 3 years?
This |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3422
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Posted - 2012.03.14 15:10:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Nova Fox wrote:I mean seriously the quicker you learn how to stop being a victim the beter this game gets. Why, of course, in addition to have a PVP alt, she must train her miner alt to be as good as a PVP alt in case it gots kill rights on a hisec ganker... Very smart you are, sir. Very smart.
dear sir and/or ma'am
Skill points do not dictate who kills who on the battlefield.
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Lexmana
Imperial Stout
250
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Posted - 2012.03.14 15:24:00 -
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Estrelita Nobunaga wrote:I've been playing for nearly 3 years, and have 4 accounts now /.../ I'm not sure that I've ever been ganked before, but, for some reason, this bothered me more than any other ship loss that I can remember
Let me get this straight. You were ganked for the first time in 3 years over 4 accounts and thats it. You quit!!
Kids these days. |
Pheusia
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
14
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Posted - 2012.03.14 15:24:00 -
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Nova Fox wrote:I mean seriously the quicker you learn how to stop being a victim the beter this game gets.
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gfldex
375
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Posted - 2012.03.14 15:26:00 -
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There was an issue with parsing this post's BBCode The game has a tutorial that gives you a mining laser and a railgun and tells you to go shoot rocks and red crosses. It teaches you nothing else. It's been that way for 8 years, so are you really surprised that there are people who aren't aware that this is a pvp game? --Jafit McJafitson |
gfldex
375
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Posted - 2012.03.14 15:29:00 -
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Calliste Orange wrote:Because like them, you'll soon appreciate the need for a sort of sixth sense -which will come soon enough - the need for constant attentiion to your surroundings at all times, a dozen tips and tricks and, for added value -not infrequent excitement.
Dude, not paying attention to the screen (because you don't have to) is the point of ice mining. That's why ppl are doing something that boring.
The game has a tutorial that gives you a mining laser and a railgun and tells you to go shoot rocks and red crosses. It teaches you nothing else. It's been that way for 8 years, so are you really surprised that there are people who aren't aware that this is a pvp game? --Jafit McJafitson |
Henry Haphorn
Aliastra Gallente Federation
222
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Posted - 2012.03.14 15:33:00 -
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I'm sorry to hear about your loss, but I disagree with your claim that Eve Online has changed in regards to high-sec suicide ganking. Such a mechanic has always been around since CCP first created Eve Online. It's that no one noticed it until some time later on when someone decided to go on a crusade using this mechanic.
The only reason CCP didn't stop this practice is because it brings in a whole new level of player-driven content that has a great impact on the New Eden economy. Now we have corporations that specialize in ganking for profit whether to solely corner a market, go after the faction mods fitted on miners, or to claim a system or region for themselves.
In addition, this form of player-driven content has even encouraged some miners to adapt and even look for systems where ganks could happen so that they can make a profit from the loss of another miner's ship or whenever a ganker needs a new ship. I do this all the time and I always make a profit every time some ganker tries to gank me with the ship that I made and sold to them.
It also keep miners from getting bored with their profession. Imagine if no one ganked a miner... ever in Eve Online. The profession would grow boring and profits would not be made because less ships are destroyed. Ganking has taken away that boredom and has replaced it with suspense. The fear that you might be next, that the next belt you go to might be the last belt your exhumer could ever visit and that all that you invested in could go *poof* in an instant. Fear, adrenaline, suspense, surprise. It never ends and I love it. Welcome to Eve Online. Don't expect people to be nice to you. |
Sasha Azala
Blood and Decay
88
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Posted - 2012.03.14 15:34:00 -
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Calliste Orange wrote:Because like them, you'll soon appreciate the need for a sort of sixth sense -which will come soon enough - the need for constant attentiion to your surroundings at all times, a dozen tips and tricks and, for added value -not infrequent excitement. You will lose covetors and macks of course, but the experience will sharpen over time and you will lose less of them.
You do realise the op has been playing for about 3 years?
How long does it take to aquire this sixth sense? |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
190
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Posted - 2012.03.14 15:34:00 -
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Estrelita Nobunaga wrote:I've been playing for nearly 3 years, and have 4 accounts now
I've lost between 50 and a hundred ships all together
Yesterday this character qualified for a Mackinaw, so I fitted one for her and she went ice mining in Agal with a Mammoth for hauling. She didn't even finish a cycle before the Mackinaw was gone and the Mammoth was at 80% armor
I guess I was lucky that Concord responded so quickly
I'm not sure that I've ever been ganked before, but, for some reason, this bothered me more than any other ship loss that I can remember
The other character involved was from 2005, and had a 2.1 Concord sec status. Probably had a lot of experience doing this kind of thing, because he/she/it was pretty slick
There are parts of this game that I enjoy. PvP isn't one of them. Especially not this type
So what options do I have? One week of kill rights. That's a big help for a miner. If I went looking for the ganker, what are the chances that I could catch up to him, and, if I did, I doubt that there would be a happy ending for me
So I'm not sure I'm going to keep playing. It seems to me that the game has changed since I started playing, and that the type of player that it attracts is changing, too. That part I blame on CCP. I think they have more control over the type of player the game attracts than most people think. But, let's face it. They do have to make a profit in order to support Hilmar's grand schemes
The question for me right now is: Do I want to try to keep playing the parts of the game that I like in spite of the quality of the other players
As I said. I really don't know. I do know that losing 4 more accounts is not going to have any noticeable effect on CCP, and that what I say in this is not going to have any effect on the players that I object to
This is the only public way that I have to express my dissatisfaction with the players and the trends I see. It's not the game. It's the players.
honestly you should be minning in 0.0 its pretty safe there... make sure you use comms to check for incomming peeps...
but tbh highsec is a death trap for minners...
well untill ccp comes out with the 5th subsystem set for tech III ships then you can return to high sec... |
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Pheusia
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
14
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Posted - 2012.03.14 15:40:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Nova Fox wrote:I mean seriously the quicker you learn how to stop being a victim the beter this game gets. Why, of course, in addition to have a PVP alt, she must train her miner alt to be as good as a PVP alt in case it gots kill rights on a hisec ganker... Very smart you are, sir. Very smart.
Nova is talking about the player, not the character.
There's no magic "PVP" skillbook that you train your character with to become a "PvPer". What happens is that one day you literally stop thinking like a victim and start thinking like a fighter. You learn situational awareness, preparedness, fitting for purpose, and accept that no one wins every time and losing the occasional ship is simply a cost of doing business. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1318
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Posted - 2012.03.14 15:51:00 -
[42] - Quote
Quote:So what options do I have? One week of kill rights. That's a big help for a miner. If I went looking for the ganker, what are the chances that I could catch up to him, and, if I did, I doubt that there would be a happy ending for me
This is why the idea of "transferable kill rights" is popular. It would bring good PVP to all those suicide gankers who talk up how great PVP is and how the game is all about that and anybody who can't handle it should to back to WOW.
(funny though the gankers are always silent on the idea).
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Calliste Orange
House Orange
1
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Posted - 2012.03.14 16:00:00 -
[43] - Quote
Sasha Azala wrote:Calliste Orange wrote:Because like them, you'll soon appreciate the need for a sort of sixth sense -which will come soon enough - the need for constant attentiion to your surroundings at all times, a dozen tips and tricks and, for added value -not infrequent excitement. You will lose covetors and macks of course, but the experience will sharpen over time and you will lose less of them.
You do realise the op has been playing for about 3 years? How long does it take to aquire this sixth sense?
*blank stare*
About 3 years. If prescribed valium, that's equivalent to a whole month.
What was it you asked, again?
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Momoyo
Interwebs Cooter Explosion Fatal Ascension
5
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Posted - 2012.03.14 16:06:00 -
[44] - Quote
I started off my eve career as a miner and I still do it along side my other ventures into null and stuff to supply myself and other with ships caps etc. I have been ganked 2 or 3 times.
I dont ice mine anymore as its become more of a target especially since mackinaws are squishier than hulks. Key is to find a quiet system thats usually has less people in local and keep an eye on local and dscan. Also helps if theres no station or if there an ice belt as gankers tend to go after ice miners more atm. Just the other day I had a nice 5-6 hour mining session with my mates at the end of which i saw 3 thrashers enter local. Pretty good time to quit so I did. Better safe than sorry. Also helps to join or make friends with local mining corporations as they will have intel on which charatcers/corps are known fro suiicide ganking allowing you to set their standings and notice them faster.
This game is about interacting with others not afk mining for hours on end then getting butthurt when you walk back you your screen and see a pod floating in space.
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Evei Shard
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
73
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Posted - 2012.03.14 16:10:00 -
[45] - Quote
Ana Vyr wrote:CCP's in a bit of a bind in that if they now institute anti-ganking rules of any kind in an attempt to hold onto players like you, they'll lose subs in droves when all the sociopathic tear harvesters quit in disgust.
They'd lose key parts of their dev team and their head of security, so yes, it is quite a bind for CCP. Profit favors the prepared |
Valei Khurelem
438
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Posted - 2012.03.14 16:13:00 -
[46] - Quote
Quote:CCP's in a bit of a bind in that if they now institute anti-ganking rules of any kind in an attempt to hold onto players like you, they'll lose subs in droves when all the sociopathic tear harvesters quit in disgust.
If this game wasn't about ganking in the first place and actually required some form of player interaction rather than just botting accounts then people wouldn't be raging so much in the first place.
"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP." -á - CCP Ytterbium |
Sasha Azala
Blood and Decay
88
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Posted - 2012.03.14 16:14:00 -
[47] - Quote
Calliste Orange wrote:Sasha Azala wrote:Calliste Orange wrote:Because like them, you'll soon appreciate the need for a sort of sixth sense -which will come soon enough - the need for constant attentiion to your surroundings at all times, a dozen tips and tricks and, for added value -not infrequent excitement. You will lose covetors and macks of course, but the experience will sharpen over time and you will lose less of them.
You do realise the op has been playing for about 3 years? How long does it take to aquire this sixth sense? *blank stare* About 3 years. If prescribed valium, that's equivalent to a whole month.What was it you asked, again?
One month actual time out of 3 years? You lightweight! |
Estrelita Nobunaga
Mazard Industries
2
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Posted - 2012.03.14 16:19:00 -
[48] - Quote
I have to say that I'm surprised at the responses I received so far. I don't remember seeing 'Moar tears' even once.
Yes, I made a lot of mistakes on this operation, but, believe it or not, some of them were related to the newer game enhancements.
Normally, when I mine ice, I use a hardened Orca with a Siege Warfare Mindlink, a Mackinaw, a hardened Iteron V, and a BC. I can't run that many clients anymore though.
Estrelita flies Myrmidons, but only T1 fittings. This also affected the possible Mac fittings I could use.
I've spent a year in 0.0, mining, and my impressions are that the corps and alliances that hire you usually end up stealing more from you than you lose on ships. Maybe it's just bad luck, but I've been down there with more than 10 different corps. Everyone of them sucked. My last trip out nearly broke me. It cost more to get my gear out than I made there.
'Stop being a victim', to me, means stop playing the part of the game I enjoy, and start playing a part that I don't like at all. I would quit playing before I did that.
But what are the game alternatives? I haven't found anything close to Eve.
I've posted before, with other characters, that what I was looking for, when I started playing Eve, was a full immersion simulation of civilization spreading out through a new area of space. We seem to be getting farther away from that.
Good point about that player being older than I am. My impressions of the new players are based on experiences I've had recruiting. Not on the ganker's actions. However, it does seem, to me, that more than half of the new players attracted to the game are people I would not want to have as a next door neighbor, either in-game or out. Maybe it's just that, "I just want to blow things up,' attitude that I have problems with.
Edit: A couple of things I didn't mention.
System population when I went out to the belt was 4.
I don't AFK mine.
Total time in the belt was less than 4 minutes. |
Doc Severide
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
46
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Posted - 2012.03.14 16:27:00 -
[49] - Quote
Seb Seba wrote:I guess that's why it's so easy to tell who's a RL looser just by reading one sentence. It's spelled loser, loser...
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Dragon Outlaw
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
44
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Posted - 2012.03.14 16:27:00 -
[50] - Quote
I think that you were bored and that the recent events you experienced was a tipping point for your decision to leave the game. You should probably take a break from Eve and come back in a few months with another strategy. |
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Ariana DeSoto
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
55
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Posted - 2012.03.14 16:29:00 -
[51] - Quote
Please let me know when and where you mine so I can come protect you. For a small fee of course. |
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
2962
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Posted - 2012.03.14 16:29:00 -
[52] - Quote
Seb Seba wrote:Red Templar wrote:Maybe after 3 years you need to change profession? Mining? Seriously? It's fun how some of you believe that the game YOU play is the right one. I guess that's why it's so easy to tell who's a RL looser just by reading one sentence.
That would be you boy, as you can't even get the distinction between the adjective 'looser' and the noun 'loser'.
---- CONCORD arrested two n00bs yesterday, one was drinking battery acid, the other was eating fireworks. They charged one and let the other one off. |
Xen Solarus
Inner 5phere
23
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Posted - 2012.03.14 16:31:00 -
[53] - Quote
You could try to get CCP to fix the broken bounty system, but thats almost as likely as them actually making high-sec safe from gankers.
Ultimately it'll take lots of high-sec carebears leaving the game for CCP to consider changing the current easy-gank mechanics. Be sure to put "high-sec ganking" as your reason when you unsub, assuming they care.
Its the age old argument of those that love pvp, and those that don't. I'm of the opinion that both types can exist in eve and enjoy the game. But unfortunately instead of pvp being limited to low and null, they just love collecting those tears and easy isk from the players that don't shoot back in high-sec.
I guess they must get pwned in real combat. |
Estrelita Nobunaga
Mazard Industries
3
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Posted - 2012.03.14 16:47:00 -
[54] - Quote
Seb Seba wrote:
It's fun how some of you believe that the game YOU play is the right one. I guess that's why it's so easy to tell who's a RL looser just by reading one sentence.
I don't remember saying that the game I want to play is the right one for anyone else. It's just the right one for me.
So what if I'm a loser in RL? This kind of lesson isn't going to help me much, I don't think.
I'm one of the rare ones who don't think that RL ends at the keyboard.
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Jojo Booties
0
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Posted - 2012.03.14 16:52:00 -
[55] - Quote
Over the years Estrelita, I have watched this game go down the toilet. We have a new breed of pilot, and they don't give a toss about anything that doesn't involve ruining somebody else's day. It's a case of 'where did all the good guys go?' |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
420
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Posted - 2012.03.14 16:55:00 -
[56] - Quote
You know what would be a cool forum feature? Being able to filter out threads with the words "Loss" "Gank" or "Quit" in the OP. How about that for a paper cut?
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gfldex
376
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Posted - 2012.03.14 17:08:00 -
[57] - Quote
Henry Haphorn wrote:It's that no one noticed it until some time later on when someone decided to go on a crusade using this mechanic.
You mean like 3 weeks after the game went public - 7 years ago? Back when there was no can flagging it was the only way to deal with ore thiefs. We used Kestrels for that job as they provided the best DPS/ISK ratio (and CONCORD used to be much slower).
I really wonder what happened to the player base in the last 7 years. Go to the old forum and travel back in time. It's shocking what players put up with. There was an outcry when Zombi attacked Yulai and got told by GMs to stop. Any form of interference of Devs or GMs with the sandbox was a sacrilege! All this whining nowadays because some PvP happened in a PvP game is just sickening.
The game has a tutorial that gives you a mining laser and a railgun and tells you to go shoot rocks and red crosses. It teaches you nothing else. It's been that way for 8 years, so are you really surprised that there are people who aren't aware that this is a pvp game? --Jafit McJafitson |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
420
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Posted - 2012.03.14 17:15:00 -
[58] - Quote
gfldex wrote:Henry Haphorn wrote:It's that no one noticed it until some time later on when someone decided to go on a crusade using this mechanic. You mean like 3 weeks after the game went public - 7 years ago? Back when there was no can flagging it was the only way to deal with ore thiefs. We used Kestrels for that job as they provided the best DPS/ISK ratio (and CONCORD used to be much slower). I really wonder what happened to the player base in the last 7 years. Go to the old forum and travel back in time. It's shocking what players put up with. There was an outcry when Zombi attacked Yulai and got told by GMs to stop. Any form of interference of Devs or GMs with the sandbox was a sacrilege! All this whining nowadays because some PvP happened in a PvP game is just sickening. This ^
Big time. WTF has happened to us? It's like a sparkle pony alliance came from the sparkle pony online community and decided to take over eve. Almost makes the goons look good!
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Grey Azorria
Federation Industries
121
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Posted - 2012.03.14 17:22:00 -
[59] - Quote
Pheusia wrote:Nova is talking about the player, not the character.
There's no magic "PVP" skillbook that you train your character with to become a "PvPer". What happens is that one day you literally stop thinking like a victim and start thinking like a fighter. You learn situational awareness, preparedness, fitting for purpose, and accept that no one wins every time and losing the occasional ship is simply a cost of doing business. Well said sir, well said.
Personally I would suggest rolling a ganglink alt (for tank bonuses), and actually fitting a tank to your mack next time.
Or better yet don't mine Ice, because of the lack of ice belts in high sec (a good thing btw) the odds of a ganker finding you are so much higher. Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1232
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Posted - 2012.03.14 17:28:00 -
[60] - Quote
Estrelita Nobunaga wrote:Seb Seba wrote:
It's fun how some of you believe that the game YOU play is the right one. I guess that's why it's so easy to tell who's a RL looser just by reading one sentence.
I don't remember saying that the game I want to play is the right one for anyone else. It's just the right one for me. So what if I'm a loser in RL? This kind of lesson isn't going to help me much, I don't think. I'm one of the rare ones who don't think that RL ends at the keyboard.
If you have a problem disassociating a fantasy game from reality that is a seperate issue.
While this post is obviously a troll (3 years, lost 50 ships in that time, I'm a miner, first time I've been ganked = doesn't add up) the simple solution for one is this situation is to train up your "Situational Awareness" and "Evasion" skills a bit. Frankly, even a miner (or whatever) must needs have a grasp of certain aspects of combat simply in order to avoid it.
Carry on. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
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gfldex
376
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Posted - 2012.03.14 17:31:00 -
[61] - Quote
Estrelita Nobunaga wrote:I have to say that I'm surprised at the responses I received so far. I don't remember seeing 'Moar tears' even once.
(...)
I've spent a year in 0.0, mining, and my impressions are that the corps and alliances that hire you usually end up stealing more from you than you lose on ships. Maybe it's just bad luck, but I've been down there with more than 10 different corps. Everyone of them sucked. My last trip out nearly broke me. It cost more to get my gear out than I made there.
(...)
'Stop being a victim', to me, means stop playing the part of the game I enjoy, and start playing a part that I don't like at all. I would quit playing before I did that.
But what are the game alternatives? I haven't found anything close to Eve.
I've posted before, with other characters, that what I was looking for, when I started playing Eve, was a full immersion simulation of civilization spreading out through a new area of space. We seem to be getting farther away from that.
(...)
System population when I went out to the belt was 4.
I don't AFK mine.
Total time in the belt was less than 4 minutes.
If HTFU posts are new to you, you didn't spend much time on this very forum. We have a i-got-ganked-ppl-are-bad-in-RL-thread at least once per week.
That you are unable to join a proper corp is to no surprise. Proper corps will require you to have killboard stats that show you are able to fight for what you own and that you lose ships with reasonable fittings. A corp that hires exclusively carebears will get stomped sooner or later. This game is won by industry _and_ guns.
There are no alternatives to EVE for you because pure carebear games provide little reason to actions of players. Do you realize that all those mins you gather go into ships that are then subsequently destroyed? Without that consumption your production would be meaningless and as a result won't earn you any money. You, as a miner, literally live of those gankers you insist to insult. And yes, calling somebody a bad person IRL because he destroyed your ship in a PvP game is an insult.
You seam to believe that only those PvPers should lose ships. Why? What makes a miner so special that he is entitled to not lose a ship?
You where not ganked before because it happens much less often then plenty of ppl want to make the public believe. I know because I live of miners. I'm the person that is buying your mins and turn them into a profit. Yet, I have any reason to gank you because dropping mineral prices can turn my profit into a loss.
Do you see the irony in your whining? By insisting to be safe you hurt yourself because your safety can only mean that mineral prices drop.
Are you playing the wrong game? I believe so. You even fail to understand what you live off. Bad players are driven out of the game. There are games that don't do that. Go play those but for all what is holy leave the only good game in the market as it is. The game has a tutorial that gives you a mining laser and a railgun and tells you to go shoot rocks and red crosses. It teaches you nothing else. It's been that way for 8 years, so are you really surprised that there are people who aren't aware that this is a pvp game? --Jafit McJafitson |
Momoyo
Interwebs Cooter Explosion Fatal Ascension
6
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Posted - 2012.03.14 17:33:00 -
[62] - Quote
Sounds like you just got unlucky. Like I said I dont ice mine anymore because its riskier and macks are squishier. Ore mining is usually more profitable anyway.
Why do you run an itty and an orca btw? Also theres really no reason to have an alt in a combat ship there unless its for rats. If someone wants to gank you you cant really stop them you can just hope they die before you. One strategy you could use is to use a noob alt to shoot one of your ships to spawn concord in belt with you. It gets a little harder for them to gank you and if you see concord disappear that means they ganked somewhere else or purposely did something to get concord out of your belt so they could gank you. |
I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
70
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Posted - 2012.03.14 17:38:00 -
[63] - Quote
It's funny how some people love to harp on miners because they like to mine. Do you really think ganking miners would be as cheap for you gankers as it is without miners? Seriously though, there is no wrong way to play EVE. If you think you're better than someone else just because of your play style, you're not. As many gankers say... Eve is a sandbox. Exactly. ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o )
The world would be a better place if boobies ran the world instead of boobs. |
Kessiaan
Greater Order Of Destruction Happy Endings
99
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Posted - 2012.03.14 17:38:00 -
[64] - Quote
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Nova Fox wrote:I mean seriously the quicker you learn how to stop being a victim the beter this game gets. Why, of course, in addition to have a PVP alt, she must train her miner alt to be as good as a PVP alt in case it gots kill rights on a hisec ganker... Very smart you are, sir. Very smart.
Worked for me - I started EvE as a hardcore minerbear. About the time I got Exhumers V I decided I'd had enough of people ******* with me all the time and I've been shooting people ever since.
ofc if Zyd goes as high as people are saying it will I might actually undock my Hulk again for the first time in years. But it'll be in null where I have good regional intel and don't have to wait for someone to shoot me before the space police decide to let me fight back. My killboard - http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Kessiaan |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1232
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Posted - 2012.03.14 17:47:00 -
[65] - Quote
I Love Boobies wrote:It's funny how some people love to harp on miners because they like to mine. Do you really think ganking miners would be as cheap for you gankers as it is without miners? Seriously though, there is no wrong way to play EVE. If you think you're better than someone else just because of your play style, you're not. As many gankers say... Eve is a sandbox. Exactly.
Personally I would never claim one play style to be inherently superior to another.
However I do understand a certain amount of derision directed at people who, because they choose not to actively engage in combat, feel they should be able to safely ignore it completely.
When in dangerous waters, even the captain of a freighter needs to know how to spot imminent danger and how to avoid it... and in EVE all waters are dangerous to varying degree's. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Trainwreck McGee
Ghost Ship Inc.
234
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Posted - 2012.03.14 17:51:00 -
[66] - Quote
This game isnt for you
go away
i think you want sims CCP Trainwreck - Weekend Custodial Engineer / CCP Necrogoats foot stool |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1880
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Posted - 2012.03.14 17:58:00 -
[67] - Quote
OP should thank the ganker for freeing her from the shackles of ice mining. I can't think of a dumber way to make money. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Taihbea
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
12
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Posted - 2012.03.14 18:16:00 -
[68] - Quote
Bumblefck wrote:Seb Seba wrote:Red Templar wrote:Maybe after 3 years you need to change profession? Mining? Seriously? It's fun how some of you believe that the game YOU play is the right one. I guess that's why it's so easy to tell who's a RL looser just by reading one sentence. That would be you boy, as you can't even get the distinction between the adjective 'looser' and the noun 'loser'.
So now the ability to speak English is the definition of loser/awesomnez?
Jeez people are stupid. |
Estrelita Nobunaga
Mazard Industries
3
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Posted - 2012.03.14 20:33:00 -
[69] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:
If you have a problem disassociating a fantasy game from reality that is a seperate issue.
While this post is obviously a troll (3 years, lost 50 ships in that time, I'm a miner, first time I've been ganked = doesn't add up) the simple solution for one is this situation is to train up your "Situational Awareness" and "Evasion" skills a bit. Frankly, even a miner (or whatever) must needs have a grasp of certain aspects of combat simply in order to avoid it.
Carry on.
I honestly feel that, when we begin disassociating what we do on computers from what we do in real life, it will begin the end of civilization as we know it. And I don't think that the alternative is all that great.
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1232
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Posted - 2012.03.14 20:34:00 -
[70] - Quote
Estrelita Nobunaga wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:
If you have a problem disassociating a fantasy game from reality that is a seperate issue.
While this post is obviously a troll (3 years, lost 50 ships in that time, I'm a miner, first time I've been ganked = doesn't add up) the simple solution for one is this situation is to train up your "Situational Awareness" and "Evasion" skills a bit. Frankly, even a miner (or whatever) must needs have a grasp of certain aspects of combat simply in order to avoid it.
Carry on.
I honestly feel that, when we begin disassociating what we do on computers from what we do in real life, it will begin the end of civilization as we know it. And I don't think that the alternative is all that great.
Computers have little to do with it.
Look up the definition of RPG and get back to us. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
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Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
990
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Posted - 2012.03.14 20:36:00 -
[71] - Quote
Estrelita Nobunaga wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:
If you have a problem disassociating a fantasy game from reality that is a seperate issue.
While this post is obviously a troll (3 years, lost 50 ships in that time, I'm a miner, first time I've been ganked = doesn't add up) the simple solution for one is this situation is to train up your "Situational Awareness" and "Evasion" skills a bit. Frankly, even a miner (or whatever) must needs have a grasp of certain aspects of combat simply in order to avoid it.
Carry on.
I honestly feel that, when we begin disassociating what we do on computers from what we do in real life, it will begin the end of civilization as we know it. And I don't think that the alternative is all that great. Edit: Oops, left out a few things. The fact that you can't tell the difference between your fantasies and my reality doesn't say much about you. No troll. Just facts. You could have checked.
the jita park soap box is that way =======>
The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
Estrelita Nobunaga
Mazard Industries
3
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Posted - 2012.03.14 20:38:00 -
[72] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:
Look up the definition of RPG and get back to us.
RPG has nothing to do with it. I am one of the crippled. The role I play is the role I live. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1893
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Posted - 2012.03.14 20:43:00 -
[73] - Quote
Estrelita Nobunaga wrote:
I honestly feel that, when we begin disassociating what we do on computers from what we do in real life, it will begin the end of civilization as we know it. And I don't think that the alternative is all that great.
I am a spaceship pilot in real life.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1234
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Posted - 2012.03.14 20:47:00 -
[74] - Quote
Estrelita Nobunaga wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:
Look up the definition of RPG and get back to us.
RPG has nothing to do with it. I am one of the crippled. The role I play is the role I live.
A bit over the top, if you were going to go for the "I'm a victim because I'm crippled" ploy you should have played that card earlier in the game.
You're not very good at this.
Putting that aside for the sake of amusement, if you believe that you are a handicapped Ice miner in real life, so be it. Rest assured that the fella that blew up your Mac doesn't believe he can blow up harvesters in real life, and has a pretty good idea of how to seperate fantasy from reality. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Estrelita Nobunaga
Mazard Industries
6
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Posted - 2012.03.14 22:24:00 -
[75] - Quote
gfldex, sorry, but I saw you once in rookie ship. That's about what I expected.
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Estrelita Nobunaga
Mazard Industries
6
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Posted - 2012.03.14 22:30:00 -
[76] - Quote
[quote=Ladie Harlot [/quote]
You need to do better. You are already in my junk filter. |
Estrelita Nobunaga
Mazard Industries
6
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Posted - 2012.03.14 22:40:00 -
[77] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:Estrelita Nobunaga wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:
Look up the definition of RPG and get back to us.
RPG has nothing to do with it. I am one of the crippled. The role I play is the role I live. A bit over the top, if you were going to go for the "I'm a victim because I'm crippled" ploy you should have played that card earlier in the game. You're not very good at this. Putting that aside for the sake of amusement, if you believe that you are a handicapped Ice miner in real life, so be it. Rest assured that the fella that blew up your Mac doesn't believe he can blow up harvesters in real life, and has a pretty good idea of how to seperate fantasy from reality.
(Bet you've never even seen a real Ranger) This interests me. I quoted all, so I can answer in driblets.
Role Playing Game: A game that may allow people to 'get outside of themselves'. Allow them to do things they wouldn't ordinarily do. Therapeutic? No. Increases the risk of bizarre or unaccepted behavior? Yes.
Is that what the world wants? More nutcases? I'm not sure you know, but we're in trouble here.
Check gasoline prices. Check heating fuel prices. Check food prices.
Edit: You can kill me with your brain? My estimate is that it would have to fall about 200,000 km and make a direct hit. Of course, figures are based on common bird ****.
Then Pac-Man on, just like you have been doing. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1235
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Posted - 2012.03.14 22:58:00 -
[78] - Quote
Estrelita Nobunaga wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Estrelita Nobunaga wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:
Look up the definition of RPG and get back to us.
RPG has nothing to do with it. I am one of the crippled. The role I play is the role I live. A bit over the top, if you were going to go for the "I'm a victim because I'm crippled" ploy you should have played that card earlier in the game. You're not very good at this. Putting that aside for the sake of amusement, if you believe that you are a handicapped Ice miner in real life, so be it. Rest assured that the fella that blew up your Mac doesn't believe he can blow up harvesters in real life, and has a pretty good idea of how to seperate fantasy from reality. (Bet you've never even seen a real Ranger) This interests me. I quoted all, so I can answer in driblets. Role Playing Game: A game that may allow people to 'get outside of themselves'. Allow them to do things they wouldn't ordinarily do. Therapeutic? No. Increases the risk of bizarre or unaccepted behavior? Yes. Is that what the world wants? More nutcases? I'm not sure you know, but we're in trouble here. Check gasoline prices. Check heating fuel prices. Check food prices. Edit: You can kill me with your brain? My estimate is that it would have to fall about 200,000 km and make a direct hit. Of course, figures are based on common bird ****. Then Pac-Man on, just like you have been doing.
... aaaaand I think with that brilliant rebuttal we can safely put this troll thread to bed. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Estrelita Nobunaga
Mazard Industries
6
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Posted - 2012.03.14 23:01:00 -
[79] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:... aaaaand I think with that brilliant rebuttal we can safely put this troll thread to bed.
Thank you for the one positive thing you have done to this thread.
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Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
994
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Posted - 2012.03.14 23:04:00 -
[80] - Quote
Estrelita Nobunaga wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:... aaaaand I think with that brilliant rebuttal we can safely put this troll thread to bed. Thank you for the one positive thing you have done to this thread.
what did you ever do for this train wreck of a thread?
anyhow, I thought you were quitting, you're not doing a very good job of it if you are.
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Nikodiemus
Perkone Caldari State
19
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Posted - 2012.03.14 23:47:00 -
[81] - Quote
Estrelita Nobunaga wrote:I've been playing for nearly 3 years, and have 4 accounts now
I've lost between 50 and a hundred ships all together
Don't PVP a lot do you sir? |
Herping yourDerp
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
413
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Posted - 2012.03.15 00:03:00 -
[82] - Quote
i would run missions in not super expensive boats, good isk and chances of being ganked are slim to none unless you let can flippers and ninja salvagers get under your skin if you see one in your mission dock for say, 30 minutes or an hours then try again. |
Roh Voleto
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
107
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Posted - 2012.03.15 00:21:00 -
[83] - Quote
Estrelita Nobunaga wrote:...and have 4 accounts now...
This game is not made for you. The circumstance that you consider your multi-boxing as something worth mentioning indicates that you would be better off playing a game made by a company who values their customers. |
EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
358
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Posted - 2012.03.15 00:23:00 -
[84] - Quote
Roh Voleto wrote:Estrelita Nobunaga wrote:...and have 4 accounts now...
This game is not made for you. The circumstance that you consider your multi-boxing as something worth mentioning indicates that you would be better off playing a game made by a company who values their customers.
Look at this passive-aggressive badposting. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
535
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Posted - 2012.03.15 00:34:00 -
[85] - Quote
Everytime I see one of these threads I just /faceplam
Why is a 3 year vet with 4 accounts surprised when they are ganked in a system like Agal that is known for ganks, and has recently been publicized as having quite a few?
A few general suggestions: * Drop the victim mentality. Everything bad that happens to you in EVE is your own fault. * Don't AFK. This one thing will prevent the vast majority of losses. * Use dscan constantly to spot incoming combat ships (set the range and filters appropriately). * Use a Covetor and insure it. * Fit defensively, or be prepared to pay for losses as a cost of mining. * Use ECM drones. Don't use them on belt rats; just tank those, or let an Orca take care of them. * Use a DST instead of an Industrial (the Minmatar Mastodon is second to only the Caldari Bustard for durability and cargo). * Don't leave the hauler in the belt when it doesn't need to be. * Spread the fleet out (use a Small Tractor Beam II on the hauler, heck, Orca are bonused for it). * Overheat hardeners and warp out whenever suspicious, but don't expect to get away from someone already on grid. * Keep moving if possible, preferably in a direction you can warp. * Off-grid siege warfare and armor boosters might not help, but they can't hurt. * Know the system. Check statistics and killmails. Recognize the regulars. * Pay attention to the local pilot count and chat. * Set known gankers to -5 so you can spot them easily. Check killboards too. * Don't mine in a busy system.
If you get ganked: * Never emo rage about it in local. * Chat with the attacker in local if possible. Be polite, cordial, and complimentary, even if they trash-talk you. * Laugh the loss off. It is only a replaceable ship. (Even implants are replaceable.) * Set the attacker to -5 so you can spot them in the future. * Move to another system.
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Roh Voleto
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
107
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Posted - 2012.03.15 01:10:00 -
[86] - Quote
EnderCapitalG wrote:
Look at this passive-aggressive badposting.
I'd be all faux-understanding and compassionate instead, but then I would have to justify to myself why I still bother with this game.
I rather spew some passive bitter tonight, and very actively aggress you the next time we meet at a lowsec belt.
Edit: "I do", rather than "I would". Edit 2: Some day I will learn when to use "then", and when to use "than". |
Keen Fallsword
Billionaires Club BLACK-MARK
41
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Posted - 2012.03.15 01:19:00 -
[87] - Quote
Estrelita Nobunaga wrote:I've been playing for nearly 3 years, and have 4 accounts now
I've lost between 50 and a hundred ships all together
Yesterday this character qualified for a Mackinaw, so I fitted one for her and she went ice mining in Agal with a Mammoth for hauling. She didn't even finish a cycle before the Mackinaw was gone and the Mammoth was at 80% armor
I guess I was lucky that Concord responded so quickly
I'm not sure that I've ever been ganked before, but, for some reason, this bothered me more than any other ship loss that I can remember
The other character involved was from 2005, and had a 2.1 Concord sec status. Probably had a lot of experience doing this kind of thing, because he/she/it was pretty slick
There are parts of this game that I enjoy. PvP isn't one of them. Especially not this type
So what options do I have? One week of kill rights. That's a big help for a miner. If I went looking for the ganker, what are the chances that I could catch up to him, and, if I did, I doubt that there would be a happy ending for me
So I'm not sure I'm going to keep playing. It seems to me that the game has changed since I started playing, and that the type of player that it attracts is changing, too. That part I blame on CCP. I think they have more control over the type of player the game attracts than most people think. But, let's face it. They do have to make a profit in order to support Hilmar's grand schemes
The question for me right now is: Do I want to try to keep playing the parts of the game that I like in spite of the quality of the other players
As I said. I really don't know. I do know that losing 4 more accounts is not going to have any noticeable effect on CCP, and that what I say in this is not going to have any effect on the players that I object to
This is the only public way that I have to express my dissatisfaction with the players and the trends I see. It's not the game. It's the players.
Man you need to be smarter go to 0.0 there is many ice belts. Ice mining in 0.0 is almost 100% safe ! Geee... Join 0.0 ally and no more gankers. Everyone need fuel |
Estrelita Nobunaga
Mazard Industries
6
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Posted - 2012.03.15 01:21:00 -
[88] - Quote
Tau. STFU. You have long outlived any usefulness you think you my have had.
I used to follow the 'Word of Tau' like the Bible.
I learned better.
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Estrelita Nobunaga
Mazard Industries
6
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Posted - 2012.03.15 01:25:00 -
[89] - Quote
Keen Fallsword wrote:
Man you need to be smarter go to 0.0 there is many ice belts. Ice mining in 0.0 is almost 100% safe ! Geee... Join 0.0 ally and no more gankers. Everyone need fuel
Dealt with that before, but I will say it again. The only person in 0.0 that you can trust is yourself, and I wouldn't be too sure about that.
There is nothing in 0.0 worth the trip. Even 1 way.
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Ganagati
Perkone Caldari State
82
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Posted - 2012.03.15 01:28:00 -
[90] - Quote
0.0 really is the place to go. Highsec is well known for being more dangerous to miners and haulers than 0.0 ever could be. NAPs abound in 0.0. There is a TINY likelihood of a blue attacking you... but you have a better chance of getting suicide ganked 10x over in highsec.
0.0 is safer for mining. Go there. AFK mine to your <3's content. Keep a POS bookmarked for if someone enters the sector. Proof Titans are rare (just another null battle): http://i.imgur.com/CY6x4.jpg-áBattles in EVE can look kinda silly sometimes, huh? |
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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
50
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Posted - 2012.03.15 01:28:00 -
[91] - Quote
Estrelita Nobunaga wrote:Tau. STFU. You have long outlived any usefulness you think you my have had. I used to follow the 'Word of Tau' like the Bible. I learned better.
Huh? You are insulting the best response in the thread? One of the few that gave really good information and helpful advice?
How about you GTFO. We don't need self-absorbed whiners that rage like little kids when they lose internet pixels and insult friendly people just trying to help. If the OP would quit EVE, the average playerbase IQ would go up a few notches. |
Roh Voleto
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
107
|
Posted - 2012.03.15 01:37:00 -
[92] - Quote
Estrelita Nobunaga wrote: There is nothing in 0.0 worth the trip. Even 1 way.
Well, there are all those sweet, sweet solo interceptors and interdictors, and overconfident ratters, and ill-conceived home defence gangs.
And, of course, a bunch of awesome people who are really great to hang out with, if you happen to be a part of the right community. |
Jarod Leercap
On Three 125
0
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Posted - 2012.03.15 02:04:00 -
[93] - Quote
Response to O
Sorry your vent hasn't met with as much sympathy as you might have hoped for, but some of your responses probably added fuel to that fire.
It's not fun to lose a shiny new ship quickly, but sometimes that's the luck of the draw. It's a bit of a bummer that the industrial path is generally less lucrative than others available in this game, but on balance this game does far better than many from the crafting aspect. It's a far cry from games where you actually devalue materials by crafting them. ;
On Recommendations for Miners
I know industry is an up-hill fight, and I know this has to be explained from time to time. However, I still have a hard time believing that the answer to a player who says, "Combat is less fun than mining," can be, "You should PVP more!" I could see, "You might like it better if you got into it more." However, some won't like combat better, and telling those players to get into combat is tantamount to telling them to do something more boring than mining. That's taking it too far! (Only half in jest I'm afraid.)
On the Appeal of Combat
The way I see it, a game can trend toward three main combat analogies:
Lottery Ticket: This is where you enter combat expecting to lose but hoping for the rare high of a good fight, or even a win. It's not that every fight is lopsided against you, but most are.
Poker: This is where you enter combat knowing that sometimes it will favor you and sometimes it won't, but on average it's pretty even.
Shooting Fish in a Barrel: This is where you enter combat knowing the fight is likely to be tilted your way. You'll have an occasional nasty surprise, but you'll meet your objective (which may not be profit) most of the time.
Honestly, for a character who's not interested in being combat-centric or interested in a big corp, I think combat falls into the Lottery Ticket characterization. Some folks like playing the lottery, but I'm not one of them myself. If you're looking for lulz, you can gank as a treat (since it will often not pay for itself), and I'd characterize that as Shooting Fish in a Barrel (if you know what you're doing). However, if you're not the type to rain on someone's praise, you might prefer to steer clear of that.
My primary aversion to combat is that I just don't think I'm very likely to find the Poker game. |
Roh Voleto
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
107
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Posted - 2012.03.15 02:21:00 -
[94] - Quote
"A mix of chess and poker" is how I describe EVE to RL friends. It's like chess in the sense that everybody involved knows the game. The book has been written 300 years ago, or it might as well have been. Yet, it is like poker in the sense that you have to know your opponent and still sometimes have no other choice than not to play at all, or give it all up to the luck of the draw.
EVE is simply not the game for you, if you can not accept that a loss is entirely your fault, while on the other hand there was nothing you could do to prevent it. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
537
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Posted - 2012.03.15 08:02:00 -
[95] - Quote
Estrelita Nobunaga wrote:Tau. STFU. You have long outlived any usefulness you think you my have had. I used to follow the 'Word of Tau' like the Bible. I learned better. The word of Estrelita Nobunaga is probably what you should be following.
Estrelita Nobunaga wrote:Harassment is just one of the things you have to learn to deal with. A griefer who hangs around 1.0 systems is pretty lame, so, if you let him push you around, you're probably not going to enjoy Eve very much.
Estrelita Nobunaga wrote:The conversation has been civilized so far. Let's keep it that way. Nor more personal attacks, or posts that have no meaningful comment. |
Shogun Archer
Phoenix Rise Industries
11
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Posted - 2012.03.15 08:06:00 -
[96] - Quote
^ This guy is not to be trifled with :) |
Seb Seba
Polaris Distribution
9
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Posted - 2012.03.15 08:37:00 -
[97] - Quote
Estrelita Nobunaga wrote:Tau. STFU. You have long outlived any usefulness you think you my have had. I used to follow the 'Word of Tau' like the Bible. I learned better.
Best response in this thread and you go like this? You have no brain cells. Now unsubscirbe aleady and spare us your whiney QQ's. Oh and nobody wants you items. /whack-a-mole |
Pheusia
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
16
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Posted - 2012.03.15 09:10:00 -
[98] - Quote
Estrelita Nobunaga wrote:Keen Fallsword wrote:
Man you need to be smarter go to 0.0 there is many ice belts. Ice mining in 0.0 is almost 100% safe ! Geee... Join 0.0 ally and no more gankers. Everyone need fuel
Dealt with that before, but I will say it again. The only person in 0.0 that you can trust is yourself, and I wouldn't be too sure about that.There is nothing in 0.0 worth the trip. Even 1 way.
The thing about 0.0 is that you can't pretend that highlighted part isn't true. Your problem seems to be that you think it doesn't apply in hi-sec as well. |
Jazzmyn
The Ghost Division
13
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Posted - 2012.03.15 10:58:00 -
[99] - Quote
Estrelita Nobunaga wrote: There are parts of this game that I enjoy. PvP isn't one of them. Especially not this type
I dont like it either, suicide ganking hisec miners is silly, and in my books it isnt real pvp at all.
What i think CCP should do is to raise exhumers EHP, so suicide ganking would become more expensive or they could introduce new type of battlehulk equipped with some guns and heavier armor or some kind of automatic countermeasures AFK miners could use
I think its silly that u need so much skillpoints to get into Hulk in order to do some veldspar mining. This makes no sense at all if u compare it to much more profitable gas mining, that u can do in any ship. Hulks and macks are also redicilously pricey compared to their properties. Fight ! Fight ! Never surrender, never surrender ! |
Khanh'rhh
One Man Rodgering
870
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Posted - 2012.03.15 11:05:00 -
[100] - Quote
Jazzmyn wrote:Estrelita Nobunaga wrote: There are parts of this game that I enjoy. PvP isn't one of them. Especially not this type
I dont like it either, suicide ganking hisec miners is silly, and in my books it isnt real pvp at all. What i think CCP should do is to raise exhumers EHP, so suicide ganking would become more expensive or they could introduce new type of battlehulk equipped with some guns and heavier armor or some kind of automatic countermeasures AFK miners could use
If you actually sit down and play the game, your risk is actually quite low. It's going AFK that kills you. Never, ever, ever, should CCP ever introduce something that benefits people who are not actually playing the ******* game.
Jesus christ. Play the game, or don't. But don't ******* sit there like an entitled dipshit and complain that there should be a way of you defending yourself when you have decided to leave your 200mil asset in space and go do something else. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
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Khanh'rhh
One Man Rodgering
870
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Posted - 2012.03.15 11:08:00 -
[101] - Quote
Estrelita Nobunaga wrote:Tau. STFU. You have long outlived any usefulness you think you my have had. I used to follow the 'Word of Tau' like the Bible. I learned better.
Apparently "learning better" is ignoring any advice he may have given, dying as a result, and then quitting over it.
But yeah, it's "better" in the sense the average IQ of players on TQ will go up when you quit. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Marcus Harikari
Guitar Players of EVE
34
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Posted - 2012.03.15 11:14:00 -
[102] - Quote
Real talk: if a computer game is frustrating you, it's probably a good sign that you should quit playing. |
Boogie Jones
The Milkmen Test Alliance Please Ignore
14
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Posted - 2012.03.15 11:18:00 -
[103] - Quote
Quote: don't ******* sit there like an entitled dipshit and complain that there should be a way of you defending yourself
Every High sec pubbie in space should take heed these words.
EVE is risk vs. reward. In no circumstance should there be a 100% safe way for you to do anything. Period.
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Annie McDermot
Perkone Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.03.15 11:24:00 -
[104] - Quote
Quick, someone call the OP a Waaaaaambulance |
Jazzmyn
The Ghost Division
13
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Posted - 2012.03.15 11:37:00 -
[105] - Quote
Khanh'rhh wrote: If you actually sit down and play the game, your risk is actually quite low. It's going AFK that kills you. Never, ever, ever, should CCP ever introduce something that benefits people who are not actually playing the ******* game.
Jesus christ. Play the game, or don't. But don't ******* sit there like an entitled dipshit and complain that there should be a way of you defending yourself when you have decided to leave your 200mil asset in space and go do something else.
It just happens, most people like to be semi-AFK when they mine and probably any defences that would require pressing buttons wouldnGÇÖt work besides adding more EHP.
U know, there are already ton of game mechanics in place that benefit people that are AFK, like warfare/mining link bonuses, drones, F.O.F missiles or POS guns or even Concord.
I suppose AFK mining is one way people like to play their game and realy it's not your call to tell them how people should play their game. My concern is, there is something broken in the game if in highsec u are able to kill 200mil+ mining ship with 2 million ISK destroyer.
Fight ! Fight ! Never surrender, never surrender ! |
Kai Tel
State War Academy Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.03.15 11:39:00 -
[106] - Quote
Well OP, somehow, I think you should try Core Exiles. IGÇÖve never played it but your post sounds like what one of the designers was gunning for here, akin to EVE without the PVP, in a very general way. There are other games worth looking into out there as well. I honestly do not think you will ever love this game as much as the idea of what it provides and will be stuck with a hollow dream if you stick around. The game is what it is and thatGÇÖs not changing. Everything in EVE is designed to engender PVP with the strong preying on the weak in an opportunistic way and that's not just the players fault. It's the nature of the game CCP made. |
Khanh'rhh
One Man Rodgering
870
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Posted - 2012.03.15 14:08:00 -
[107] - Quote
Jazzmyn wrote:It just happens, most people like to be semi-AFK when they mine
You don't think that says something about mining when it is more enjoyable to go do something else? Exactly WHY are you playing the game, again?
Quote:My concern is, there is something broken in the game if in highsec u are able to kill 200mil+ mining ship with 2 million ISK destroyer
A properly tanked Hulk would need at least TEN people in Thrashers to alpha the ship. If you're resisting applied DPS (catalysts) then you can get remote reps. Regardless, you're flawed in thinking the cost of a specialty mining vessel should bear any relation on it's combat ability. Counterpoint: why does a 60bil ISK Avatar get outmined by a 200mil ISK Hulk?
Quote:there are already ton of game mechanics in place that benefit people that are AFK
No, there are not. There are long list of things that simply keep on happening if you walk away. Such as mining. None of the things you mentioned will take any action to save or cause the loss of your ship. None of these things is better than actually playing the game in terms of reward.
You can fit your ship with shield boosters or hardeners and they will keep running when you are AFK. You can remote rep yourself and this keeps happening if you are AFK.
Finally - a ship that auto aggresses the attacker is literally what 100% of all highsec can flippers would happily want in the game, so maybe I shouldn't argue against it? - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1241
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Posted - 2012.03.15 14:23:00 -
[108] - Quote
Jazzmyn wrote:Khanh'rhh wrote: If you actually sit down and play the game, your risk is actually quite low. It's going AFK that kills you. Never, ever, ever, should CCP ever introduce something that benefits people who are not actually playing the ******* game.
Jesus christ. Play the game, or don't. But don't ******* sit there like an entitled dipshit and complain that there should be a way of you defending yourself when you have decided to leave your 200mil asset in space and go do something else.
It just happens, most people like to be semi-AFK when they mine and probably any defences that would require pressing buttons wouldnGÇÖt work besides adding more EHP. U know, there are already ton of game mechanics in place that benefit people that are AFK, like warfare/mining link bonuses, drones, F.O.F missiles or POS guns or even Concord. I suppose AFK mining is one way people like to play their game and realy it's not your call to tell them how people should play their game. My concern is, there is something broken in the game if in highsec u are able to kill 200mil+ mining ship with 2 million ISK destroyer.
While it is true that some activities can somewhat be undertaken semi-AFK, the trick is to make an intelligent decision as to which activities this applies to realistically.
Ice mining solo, in high sec, is not one of those activities. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Estrelita Nobunaga
Mazard Industries
10
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Posted - 2012.03.18 22:22:00 -
[109] - Quote
The saga continues, but first I'd like to say that there are VERY few things I do in this game AFK. Maybe 33 jumps in a rookie ship if the pilot has no implants, but that is about it.
So today two of my characters were running a Hi Sec Level 4 mining mission. Only something like 2.6 million ISK, but still, it's what I do.
So along comes a ninja salvager in an Arbitrator. I had a Covetor and a Drake.
Yes, I screwed up, because the Drake should have dropped the can. It wouldn't have made a difference,but let's not be a victim, eh?
So I took on a ninja salvage fitted Arbitrator with a mining mission fitted Drake . . . and lost the Drake, and the ore.
I believe in mission fits. The Drake was equipped with 5 X Acolyte IIs, 2 X Heavy Launchers and 4 X Standard Launchers. (Another mistake. They should have been assault launchers.
I have to say that I did have him down to 20% armor, or less, before his neut completely drained my cap.
But I also have to say I wasted a Hound on his useless ass.
So he gets two kills and I get another 'lesson in life'. Not exactly what I was looking for.
My Drake pilot is kind of interesting. 4 kills and, now, 48 losses. Pretty grim, eh?
Not really. She has credit for destroying about 3 times the amount of ISK she has lost. Only 20 of the ships she has lost could be considered combat ships, meaning several of them were rookie ships. Most of the rest were industrials lost in 0.0, or pods.
The part that I like though, is that she has done very little damage to other ships. Preferred weapons are Target Painters and Jammers. And she has never attacked anything that wasn't red.
So the question remains. Is this worth wasting any more time on, or not? |
Terminal Insanity
Convex Enterprises Unprovoked Aggression
294
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Posted - 2012.03.18 22:29:00 -
[110] - Quote
Estrelita Nobunaga wrote: I'm Really Not Sure This Is The Game For Me Anymore .... There are parts of this game that I enjoy. PvP isn't one of them
apparently it never WAS for you...
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1938
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Posted - 2012.03.18 22:31:00 -
[111] - Quote
Why are you continuing to engage in the same behaviors that are getting you killed over and over again?
The game doesn't need to change. You do. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Ursula Thrace
1
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Posted - 2012.03.18 22:33:00 -
[112] - Quote
if you don't ever want to pvp, i'd say just quit eve. it's really a pvp-centric game. if you're interested in getting better at pvp, have you considered joining red vs. blue? either way you decide, good luck. |
Daemeon Fyral
Kinda'Shujaa
12
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Posted - 2012.03.18 22:50:00 -
[113] - Quote
so... let me get this straight... 3 years of playing and you JUST got a mackinaw? 3 years of playing and even loosing a mackinaw is a big deal to you? what the hell have you been doing in that time? I was a dedicated miner for a good 3 years sticking exclusively to high-sec so i'm completely failing to understand how at the end of all that time the loss of a single ship could make you want to quit the game... it happens, harden the **** up and never fly anything you can't afford to replace. |
Terminal Insanity
Convex Enterprises Unprovoked Aggression
294
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Posted - 2012.03.18 22:52:00 -
[114] - Quote
Daemeon Fyral wrote:so... let me get this straight... 3 years of playing and you JUST got a mackinaw?
Yeah this puzzled me too. a 3 year old toon, JUST now breaking into mining? That means you havent been mining for the past 3 years and you should have learned by now, mining is a pretty lousy way to have fun OR make isk |
Estrelita Nobunaga
Mazard Industries
12
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Posted - 2012.03.18 23:08:00 -
[115] - Quote
I can't blame you for not reading the previous posts. TL:DR.
I have 4 accounts, 12 characters.
Most of them are miners. Estrelita was intended for something else. Maybe R&D. I don' t remember.
One is a master miner/refiner. She can use all T2 crystals, Hi Sec and Low. She can refine anything that exists in the game at 100% efficiency, depending on where she refines it. This includes Ice and Scrap Metal. She has 19 million skill points. The other two on that account have a total of 19.5 million.
On Estrelita's account, there is also a perfect Orca pilot, now also qualified for basic Rorqual, and a nearly perfect Anshar pilot. Those two have about 30 million SPs. Estrelita has 7 million.
As I said, I didn't intend for her to become a miner. But she was definitely not intended to be a PvPer, or even a PvEer. She has positive or neutral standings with ALL factions. As do several of my others. |
Estrelita Nobunaga
Mazard Industries
12
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Posted - 2012.03.18 23:39:00 -
[116] - Quote
By the way, I can't help saying something about mining being a lousy source of ISK.
My miner and Orca pilot, with another Orca for hauling, can make about 7 million ISK per hour mining Veldspar concentrates.
(If you say you can do better, either you are a liar, or you are using more than one mining ship.)
There have been times when they have made a lot more, especially mining ice.
My Level 4 mining teams, with Mammoth, Drake and Covetor, can make about 2.6 million per hour.
Seems odd, doesn't it?
I don't run Level 4 security missions because I don't have enough support. In combat situations I only use one character at a time, because I am not capable of handling more effectively.
As I said, my last mining trip to 0.0 nearly wiped out all my ISK, so that is out of the question right now.
One of the things that handicaps me is that I have learned that it is stupid to trust any player of this game. Even myself.
Because I know that, if I get mad enough, I will keep on throwing away ships until I have none left. |
Daemeon Fyral
Kinda'Shujaa
12
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Posted - 2012.03.18 23:49:00 -
[117] - Quote
so your saying that in 3 years, with 4 accounts... you never learned how to use local and d-scan? y'know, your right, this probably aint the game for you. can I have your stuff? in particular that orca, my alt just finished training to fly one. |
Nikola Aivoras
Mercantilist Corporation of New Eden
46
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Posted - 2012.03.18 23:58:00 -
[118] - Quote
Well, Estrelita, I'm really not sure what to say.
On one hand, it seems like you have a good point. There is a section of the EVE populace which appears to be hell-bent on ruining everyone else's day. They tend to be slightly psychopathic, and get their jollies from tears and whining.
On the other hand, it seems like you're making a big deal out of one incident. EVE is, by nature, a PvP game. Everything that happens, in some way, affects the populace. It is also a sandbox. You should have known this when you first started. Also, it is an MMO. This means the interactions of people is crucial for the game. Be it building or knocking down sand castles, it is all important.
Did you not understand this about EVE?
I understand the sentiment of not wanting to be involved in PvP. However, it will be impossible to play this game with that attitude. Eventually, you will be forced to PvP. If you want something in EVE, you have to fight for it. There will be suicide gankers. There will be can flippers. There will be ninja looters and salvagers. These are all to be expected in the sandbox that is EVE.
There really are only a few solutions available. For one, you can quit. EVE is not for everyone. Everyone here understands this. Another option is to adapt and evolve. This is what people usually do, and what I suggest you do.
It is perfectly fine for you to want to avoid PvP. The real issue is if you are against risk. There is no way to have a truly risk-free environment in EVE. The game is designed to avoid that. Whether the risk comes from powerful NPCs or a belligerent alliance, there will be risk. Your job is to determine how much risk you are willing to take.
If you choose to take risks, you will open yourself up to great losses. However, the benefits greatly outweigh the risk. This goes for all things, including ice mining. There is a great risk associated with it currently. As a result, the rewards will be greater.
This is the decision you need to make: Are you willing to take risks? If you are, then EVE really is the game for you. If not, then this is no place for you. |
Estrelita Nobunaga
Mazard Industries
12
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Posted - 2012.03.19 00:06:00 -
[119] - Quote
Daemeon Fyral wrote:so your saying that in 3 years, with 4 accounts... you never learned how to use local and d-scan? y'know, your right, this probably aint the game for you. can I have your stuff? in particular that orca, my alt just finished training to fly one.
I know. TL:DR.
Local shows you things based on overview settings. The person I lost the Mackinaw to, had 2.1 Concord status. He showed up in the belt first in a Helios, and left within a few seconds. Seconds that he used to bookmark my location. When he reappeared in the Catalyst, he started firing immediately. Maybe I should have seen the Helios as a bad sign, but I've seen a lot of them, and it's hard to mine ice when you spend every other minute in station.
Dscan? For what? There are usually a number of ships in an ice belt at one time. Some of them are protection for other ice miners, some are miners, some are haulers. What am I supposed to do? Park in front of the ice, run up Dscan, and leave the belt whenever I see an unknown ship? Why use a mining ship for that? I could do it in a rookie ship, even in an ice belt, and I would get about the same amount of ice mined. None.
My stuff is not available to you under any circumstances. Or to any one else who intends to get a boost in the game from someone else's misfortune. I have three Orcas, but the price for you would be about 1.5 Billion each.
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OfBalance
Caldari State
181
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Posted - 2012.03.19 00:12:00 -
[120] - Quote
This is a textbook case of a reasonably succesful troll being milked to death. You had a good run with the overwhelmingly serious replies, hell you even got some pity in there which is hard to do, but then you came back and quad-posted your way into obviously trying too hard.
Would have been more than willing to give you 7/10, but after the give-away posts you're down to 2/10.
Better luck next time. |
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Estrelita Nobunaga
Mazard Industries
12
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Posted - 2012.03.19 00:20:00 -
[121] - Quote
Nikola Aivoras wrote:Well, Estrelita, I'm really not sure what to say.
[..]
On the other hand, it seems like you're making a big deal out of one incident. EVE is, by nature, a PvP game. Everything that happens, in some way, affects the populace. It is also a sandbox. You should have known this when you first started. Also, it is an MMO. This means the interactions of people is crucial for the game. Be it building or knocking down sand castles, it is all important.
Did you not understand this about EVE?
I understand the sentiment of not wanting to be involved in PvP. However, it will be impossible to play this game with that attitude. Eventually, you will be forced to PvP. If you want something in EVE, you have to fight for it. There will be suicide gankers. There will be can flippers. There will be ninja looters and salvagers. These are all to be expected in the sandbox that is EVE.
There really are only a few solutions available. For one, you can quit. EVE is not for everyone. Everyone here understands this. Another option is to adapt and evolve. This is what people usually do, and what I suggest you do.
It is perfectly fine for you to want to avoid PvP. The real issue is if you are against risk. There is no way to have a truly risk-free environment in EVE. The game is designed to avoid that. Whether the risk comes from powerful NPCs or a belligerent alliance, there will be risk. Your job is to determine how much risk you are willing to take.
If you choose to take risks, you will open yourself up to great losses. However, the benefits greatly outweigh the risk. This goes for all things, including ice mining. There is a great risk associated with it currently. As a result, the rewards will be greater.
This is the decision you need to make: Are you willing to take risks? If you are, then EVE really is the game for you. If not, then this is no place for you.
Once again, no problem about you not reading the whole thread. It is getting kind of long. But there's a reason.
As I said. I've lost a lot of ships. As I said, I'm not sure why this one bothered me so much, or why the loss of the Drake and Hound bother me so much. But they do.
No. I didn't have any idea that this was what Eve was about when I started playing. I thought it was an MMORPG, but also a full immersion space explorationg game, and I had no difficulty maintaining that illusion until Incarna, at least.
The rest of your post seems to be about whether or not I am willing to take risks in the game.
How would I have a character who has lost 48 ships in less than 3 years if I didn't take risks?
But when I started playing, going out of a station in Hi Sec wasn't nearly as much of a risk as it is now.
I'm not happy with that.
As far as this being a PvP centric game? Even after the last two incidents, I still feel that it isn't.
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Estrelita Nobunaga
Mazard Industries
12
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Posted - 2012.03.19 00:25:00 -
[122] - Quote
OfBalance wrote:This is a textbook case of a reasonably succesful troll being milked to death. You had a good run with the overwhelmingly serious replies, hell you even got some pity in there which is hard to do, but then you came back and quad-posted your way into obviously trying too hard.
Would have been more than willing to give you 7/10, but after the give-away posts you're down to 2/10.
Better luck next time.
Sorry. Not interested in my scores.
If I'm not mistaken, every post is a troll. An effort to get a response.
But, even so, they represent a way to communicate concerns to other forum users.
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masternerdguy
Inner Shadow NightSong Directorate
17
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Posted - 2012.03.19 00:28:00 -
[123] - Quote
Ana Vyr wrote:CCP's in a bit of a bind in that if they now institute anti-ganking rules of any kind in an attempt to hold onto players like you, they'll lose subs in droves when all the sociopathic tear harvesters quit in disgust.
I'm sorry us "sociopathic tear harvesters" don't want this game to become hello kitty online. |
Estrelita Nobunaga
Mazard Industries
12
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Posted - 2012.03.19 00:33:00 -
[124] - Quote
masternerdguy wrote:
I'm sorry us "sociopathic tear harvesters" don't want this game to become hello kitty online.
Why can't you just look for other sociopaths and leave the rest of us to enjoy the game in our own way?
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masternerdguy
Inner Shadow NightSong Directorate
17
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Posted - 2012.03.19 00:39:00 -
[125] - Quote
Estrelita Nobunaga wrote:masternerdguy wrote:
I'm sorry us "sociopathic tear harvesters" don't want this game to become hello kitty online.
Why can't you just look for other sociopaths and leave the rest of us to enjoy the game in our own way?
We aren't sociopaths. We are playing the game the way it was, CCP stated, intended to be played. How would you like it if someone told you all of space was going to become 0.0 so you "antisocial cowards" would fight for a change? That's how we feel about hi sec becoming a safe zone. |
Estrelita Nobunaga
Mazard Industries
12
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Posted - 2012.03.19 00:45:00 -
[126] - Quote
I have NEVER seen anything in any CCP advertisement about involuntary PvP.
And I've been to 0.0. Spent a year there. Where were you? |
Proteus Maximus
New Eden Outcasts Malicious Intent Gentleman's Club
61
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Posted - 2012.03.19 00:49:00 -
[127] - Quote
Quote:Stop playing the victim card.
This seriously. Think about it. When you got sick of mining in a cruiser what did you do? Trained for a barge. When you got sick of docking to offload what did you do? Trained an alt to haul. You got ganked in a belt probably because you warped to 0 and just went to work. Now you know to run a ways up the belt and use D-scan to keep aware. Now your next evolution should be to train an alt & go gank ice miners. Kill your competition..why not. It's the next logical step.
Eve... Burn it....Burn it All |
masternerdguy
Inner Shadow NightSong Directorate
17
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Posted - 2012.03.19 00:49:00 -
[128] - Quote
Estrelita Nobunaga wrote:I have NEVER seen anything in any CCP advertisement about involuntary PvP.
And I've been to 0.0. Spent a year there. Where were you?
I've been to 0.0 many times don't worry. |
Estrelita Nobunaga
Mazard Industries
12
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Posted - 2012.03.19 00:57:00 -
[129] - Quote
Proteus Maximus wrote: You got ganked in a belt probably because you warped to 0 and just went to work.
Now you know to run a ways up the belt and use D-scan to keep aware. Now your next evolution should be to train an alt & go gank ice miners. Kill your competition..why not. It's the next logical step.
Nope. Bookmarked a rock at 85 km from Warp 0. Like I said, He sent a Helios first to bookmark me.
Once again. D-scan for what? You're either there to D-scan or mine. Not both.
Kill the competition? Sorry, but that would be both immoral and unethical. And I wouldn't enjoy it at all.
I play the game for enjoyment, entertainment, and will not compromise my morals or ethics in search of those.
This is a game, not electro-shock therapy. |
Kai Tel
State War Academy Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2012.03.19 01:13:00 -
[130] - Quote
It's time to stop now Estrella. Go find another game to play. Maybe Star Trek Online if you want yet another suggestionr. But at this point it is more than clear that EVE is not the place for you and never will be. |
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Estrelita Nobunaga
Mazard Industries
12
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Posted - 2012.03.19 01:22:00 -
[131] - Quote
Kai Tel wrote:It's time to stop now Estrella. Go find another game to play. Maybe Star Trek Online if you want yet another suggestionr. But at this point it is more than clear that EVE is not the place for you and never will be.
What other game? The others aren't even worth a second look.
So, the way I see it, I'm being driven out of this game, which I like, because I'm not a sociopath?
Wouldn't that bother you?
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Terajima Kazumi
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
51
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Posted - 2012.03.19 01:25:00 -
[132] - Quote
Estrelita Nobunaga wrote:masternerdguy wrote:
I'm sorry us "sociopathic tear harvesters" don't want this game to become hello kitty online.
Why can't you just look for other sociopaths and leave the rest of us to enjoy the game in our own way? Edit: Is it that you will not be comfortable unless ALL of the other players are also sociopaths? Why would that be? Can you not accept the concepts of morality and ethics? Other 'sociopaths' would never make a thread like this; that's why they look for you, and not each other. |
Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
388
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Posted - 2012.03.19 02:02:00 -
[133] - Quote
Estrelita Nobunaga wrote:There are parts of this game that I enjoy. PvP isn't one of them. Especially not this type
There are parts of playing chess I enjoy. Thinking is not one of them. Please advise. |
Estrelita Nobunaga
Mazard Industries
13
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Posted - 2012.03.19 03:30:00 -
[134] - Quote
The decision is in.
With the experience I have, I could have helped a lot of people. I'm not sure how, or how much, but to what end?
The game, as it is , suks.
It's been proven that I can have no positive effect.
I think it would be best if I had no effect at all. |
Daemeon Fyral
Kinda'Shujaa
12
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Posted - 2012.03.19 04:01:00 -
[135] - Quote
Estrelita Nobunaga wrote:Daemeon Fyral wrote:so your saying that in 3 years, with 4 accounts... you never learned how to use local and d-scan? y'know, your right, this probably aint the game for you. can I have your stuff? in particular that orca, my alt just finished training to fly one. I know. TL:DR. Local shows you things based on overview settings. The person I lost the Mackinaw to, had 2.1 Concord status. He showed up in the belt first in a Helios, and left within a few seconds. Seconds that he used to bookmark my location. When he reappeared in the Catalyst, he started firing immediately. Maybe I should have seen the Helios as a bad sign, but I've seen a lot of them, and it's hard to mine ice when you spend every other minute in station. Dscan? For what? There are usually a number of ships in an ice belt at one time. Some of them are protection for other ice miners, some are miners, some are haulers. What am I supposed to do? Park in front of the ice, run up Dscan, and leave the belt whenever I see an unknown ship? Why use a mining ship for that? I could do it in a rookie ship, even in an ice belt, and I would get about the same amount of ice mined. None. My stuff is not available to you under any circumstances. Or to any one else who intends to get a boost in the game from someone else's misfortune. I have three Orcas, but the price for you would be about 1.5 Billion each.
Yes, if you want to be safe that is EXACTLY what your supposed to do, keep yourself aligned and ready to warp out, see something suspicious on d-scan you warp out. Best case scenario you might have just saved your ship, worst case scenario you where jumpy and lost... what... a few thousand ISK by stopping mining for a minute or two while you figure out whats going on... hell of a lot cheaper than loosing your ship and your cargo.
Is it paranoid, yes, but in new eden paranoia keeps you alive. If your not being paranoid and keeping an eye on who's coming in and out of the belt and in what then you deserve everything that you get.
Also, I'm not looking to profit from your misfortune. if I intended to do that i'd be asking what system you mine in build some mackinaws put em up for sale there and then blow up your ship myself. THAT would be profiting from your misfortune. |
Headerman
Quovis Shadow of xXDEATHXx
719
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Posted - 2012.03.19 04:02:00 -
[136] - Quote
Estrelita Nobunaga wrote:The decision is in.
With the experience I have, I could have helped a lot of people. I'm not sure how, or how much, but to what end?
The game, as it is , suks.
It's been proven that I can have no positive effect.
I think it would be best if I had no effect at all.
Working as intended or not, i think there is a serious problem when someone is forced to make a decision: to play in a game you don't like, or leave.
IMO there should be an area set aside to provide a relaxing gaming experience with minimal risk The Apostle : I want a kangeroo Captain Kirk : Silly Austrians Sarmatiko : Let me guess: you're from US? Captain Kirk : Yeah Riverside IA - why? |
Daemeon Fyral
Kinda'Shujaa
12
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Posted - 2012.03.19 04:06:00 -
[137] - Quote
Headerman wrote:Estrelita Nobunaga wrote:The decision is in.
With the experience I have, I could have helped a lot of people. I'm not sure how, or how much, but to what end?
The game, as it is , suks.
It's been proven that I can have no positive effect.
I think it would be best if I had no effect at all. Working as intended or not, i think there is a serious problem when someone is forced to make a decision: to play in a game you don't like, or leave. IMO there should be an area set aside to provide a relaxing gaming experience with minimal risk
There is, its called Null-sec. |
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