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Kalintos Tyl
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Posted - 2008.07.02 12:30:00 -
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Lasers need to have lowered power grid usage. They take way too much powergrid.
Lets see looking at standard rat killing setups:
[Abaddon, RAT] Armor EM Hardener II Armor Thermic Hardener II Armor Thermic Hardener II Large Armor Repairer II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Reactor Control Unit II
Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II
Tachyon Modulated Energy Beam I, Multifrequency L Tachyon Modulated Energy Beam I, Multifrequency L Tachyon Modulated Energy Beam I, Multifrequency L Tachyon Modulated Energy Beam I, Multifrequency L Tachyon Modulated Energy Beam I, Multifrequency L Tachyon Modulated Energy Beam I, Multifrequency L Tachyon Modulated Energy Beam I, Multifrequency L Tachyon Modulated Energy Beam I, Multifrequency L
Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I
671dps with no drones. Need one rcu. It shouldnt need any rcu for setup like this.
[Abaddon, RAT] Armor EM Hardener II Armor Thermic Hardener II Armor Thermic Hardener II Large Armor Repairer II Heat Sink II Reactor Control Unit II Reactor Control Unit II
Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Multifrequency L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Multifrequency L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Multifrequency L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Multifrequency L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Multifrequency L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Multifrequency L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Multifrequency L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Multifrequency L
Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I
617 dps without drones. Need 2 rcu. In my opinion it should fit with power grid +5% implant max.
higher damage than other races is compoensated by enormous capacitator usage. It shouldnt be big power grid panelty also.
PvP setups are kind diffrent in fitting. There you get cap booster and mwd that will eat cap freed by beams to pulses.
Medium pulse lasers and beam have same issue like large beams. It must be looked at.
Used multifreq to show diffrence normally you will use longer range ammo anyway.
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Kailiani
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Posted - 2008.07.03 01:06:00 -
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I believe tachyons are "oversized" battleship guns, which other races do not have.
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Packtu'sa
Nabaal Construction and Industrials Corp
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Posted - 2008.07.03 01:56:00 -
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I think its capacitor usage is to compensate for no ammo consumption. And, yes, tachyons are pretty hefty.
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Aloriana Jacques
Amarr Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2008.07.03 02:33:00 -
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Originally by: Packtu'sa I think its capacitor usage is to compensate for no ammo consumption.
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Posted - 2008.07.03 05:09:00 -
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+1 /signed
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Artemis Rose
Eleckrostatik
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Posted - 2008.07.03 06:26:00 -
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No. If they were easier to fit, they would become way too powerful. __________________________________________________
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Kalintos Tyl
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Posted - 2008.07.03 08:37:00 -
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Edited by: Kalintos Tyl on 03/07/2008 08:37:29 Especially they will suck all your cap in 3 mins at all 5 skills ? Evear heard of heavy energy neutralizer dominix? It will suck laser ship out of cap in less than minute.
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Zaran Darkstar
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.07.03 08:39:00 -
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I think it's an Abaddon problem and not a Tachyon problem. Tachyons must remain hard as hell to install as a payoff for their incredible power.
I just think Abaddon misses a bonus to cap usage for lasers similar to the other Amarr BSes.
The reason behind my suggestion is that if we accept the very hard fiting requirments of the tachyons are fair we must not forget that this fact makes you havinng to fit several RCs that mess up your fiting. these RCII mods you must fit take 2 lows already and the cap consumption is so great that you have to install also cap power relays to remediate.
That is why i think the best solution is to leave the Tachyons as they are but add a bonus to laser cap usage for the abaddon on top of the other bonuses. Perhaps not a 10% per lvl but at least a 7,5% per lvl. |
Kalintos Tyl
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Posted - 2008.07.03 08:44:00 -
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Global bonus like in apocalypse would be nicer to new players.
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Karina Harington
A Few Good Men.
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Posted - 2008.07.03 10:32:00 -
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Since when should new players be flying a top-tier BS? If you don't like fitting an RCU, drop down a tier or drop a gun. An Apoc with 7 tachs does the same damage as a Megathron with a much greater optimal. If you could fit a full rack of tachs on an Abaddon without an RCU, it would be overpowered.
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Kalintos Tyl
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Posted - 2008.07.03 11:41:00 -
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Edited by: Kalintos Tyl on 03/07/2008 11:41:19 especially that lasers do mostly em damage which is preety useless vs omni armor tanks?
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Brengholl
Gallente Special Operations Corp
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Posted - 2008.07.04 12:24:00 -
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Edited by: Brengholl on 04/07/2008 12:30:13 disagree.
to get close to the dps of a tachyon abadon a hyperion needs a magnetic stabilizer with his 8 425mm railguns. with that it still has lower dps than the abadon and the 8 guns put such a strain on the powergrid of the hyperion that you have fo fit a RCU to fit a repairer
so the hyperion needs to use up 2 low slots to get close to the abadon, and the abadon needs to use 2 low slots to fit rcu-s. the hyp still has lower dps. and dont mention cap usage because with this fitting the abadon can fire guns for 2min 45sec and the hyperion for 2min 58sec and the abadon has 5 lows to play with after that... the hyp only 4
the tachyons ARE overpowerd and as such it's fitting requirements are just fine i compared hyperion because i'm gallente and i know the trouble fitting it... but im shure the caldari and minmantar BS-es would have the same problems. the top tier BS-es should be hard to fit and fly
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Lord WarATron
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.07.04 14:01:00 -
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Tach II has crazy grid requirments only to stop other races from using them. This was back in the days when ravens used lasers etc. Try fitting a geddon with 7 tach II and a MWD and see how much fun that is.
That was the only reason for the big changes to tach II Fitting.
People who talk DPS should talk DPS over 10 mins or sustainable DPS. They should also look at DPS on real fitted ships and not a 0% resist paper. --
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Kalintos Tyl
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Posted - 2008.07.07 07:32:00 -
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amar battleship -3% laser grid usage /level ?
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Itanis
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
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Posted - 2008.07.07 09:55:00 -
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Edited by: Itanis on 07/07/2008 09:55:12 +1
I've had people refer to the RCU2 as 'the Amarr module' for a reason -- It's rather hard to fit many Amarr ships -- even pure gank ships without slapping on a few of them.
By the way, 425 IIs have a higher base optimal range (And falloff!) than Tachyon IIs. :p
In addition, it's not an 'oversized' gun, it's the third tier, just like 425s. Projectiles are lacking in a first tier long range weapon, but that's a discussion for another thread.
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Shadowsword
COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2008.07.07 12:14:00 -
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Edited by: Shadowsword on 07/07/2008 12:14:46
Originally by: Kailiani I believe tachyons are "oversized" battleship guns, which other races do not have.
Yes, but you don't have much choice about using them despite their horrendous grid usage, because heavy/mega beams lack optimal to be really viable for a sniper setup in any ship that doesn't have an optimal bonus.
If Mega Beams II had 8km more optimal, the issue would be relatively minor. As it is most amarr pilot wanting to have a reach equivalent to other sniping BS are focred to choose between losing 2 lows, which make them the hardest BS to fit, or leaving one or even 2 guns slots empty. ------------------------------------------
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