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Miss Whippy
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.03.14 14:56:00 -
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It seems unbelievable that the game mechanics don't allow you to cue up a job unless you have a spare skill slot (I suppose that's what you call them) available. How can a job be too complicated to do, when you're not actually doing it?
It's a stupid and unjustified limitation, and it's incredibly frustrating. Especially when you mix it with the fact that the UI doesn't tell you if you have enough skill left to actually do the job until you've gone through the mind-numbing process of setting the job up. You will still only be doing the amount of jobs that your skills allow and no more, it just allows you to much more efficiently set up a production line.
Of all the terrible UI and mechanics, industry easily rates as the worst. Time to-áCOMPLETELY REDESIGN THE U.I. FROM SCRATCH: - End the click fest & Multiple Window fest - Streamline and Simplify it-á - Improve scalability-á |
Velicitia
Open Designs
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Posted - 2012.03.14 15:06:00 -
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It would allow people to effectively commandeer NPC stations permanently. So, no. |
Miss Whippy
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.03.14 22:00:00 -
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Velicitia wrote:It would allow people to effectively commandeer NPC stations permanently. So, no.
It's a pity you lack any kind of imagination at all. Otherwise you might think about things like how Skill Training works at the moment. It allows you to stack a reasonable amount of skills in advance, there no reason Invention jobs can't work in a similar way.
But it's clear you're not clever enough and are just here to troll, so I should probably just stop responding to your dumb ass garbage. Time to-áCOMPLETELY REDESIGN THE U.I. FROM SCRATCH: - End the click fest & Multiple Window fest - Streamline and Simplify it-á - Improve scalability-á |
Danika Princip
Freelance Economics Astrological resources Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2012.03.14 22:18:00 -
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Miss Whippy wrote:Velicitia wrote:It would allow people to effectively commandeer NPC stations permanently. So, no. It's a pity you lack any kind of imagination at all. Otherwise you might think about things like how Skill Training works at the moment. It allows you to stack a reasonable amount of skills in advance, there no reason Invention jobs can't work in a similar way. But it's clear you're not clever enough and are just here to troll, so I should probably just stop responding to your dumb ass garbage.
Please explain how allowing effectively unlimited numbers of jobs to be queued up would NOT result in, say, every single slot in jita 4-4 never being usable again? |
Misanthra
Alternative Enterprises
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Posted - 2012.03.14 23:25:00 -
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Miss Whippy wrote: Especially when you mix it with the fact that the UI doesn't tell you if you have enough skill left to actually do the job until you've gone through the mind-numbing process of setting the job up. .
second tab on the screen when working with bpos, very bottom. Tells you max number of any job you can run. If you got 10 research jobs max, have 10 research jobs in currently.....well then don't put in an 11th one.
Also after you do this a bit you learn your limitations. Game requires some mental effort, even for indy. the pvp'er has to remember ranges of scram/point, range of thier guns, range of enemy guns to play falloff damage kitng games cooked and uncooked....all off the top of thier head over time to not diaf badly. remembering if you have 10 or 11 jobs max....is not that all that rough man. |
Miss Whippy
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
113
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Posted - 2012.03.14 23:43:00 -
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Danika Princip wrote:Miss Whippy wrote:Velicitia wrote:It would allow people to effectively commandeer NPC stations permanently. So, no. It's a pity you lack any kind of imagination at all. Otherwise you might think about things like how Skill Training works at the moment. It allows you to stack a reasonable amount of skills in advance, there no reason Invention jobs can't work in a similar way. But it's clear you're not clever enough and are just here to troll, so I should probably just stop responding to your dumb ass garbage. Please explain how allowing effectively unlimited numbers of jobs to be queued up would NOT result in, say, every single slot in jita 4-4 never being usable again?
Bolded if for you. But since you weren't able to read it the first time it's doubtful you'll manage it the second time. Maybe get someone to help you. Time to-áCOMPLETELY REDESIGN THE U.I. FROM SCRATCH: - End the click fest & Multiple Window fest - Streamline and Simplify it-á - Improve scalability-á |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2012.03.15 00:14:00 -
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If you want support for your ideas, stop insulting people who point out flaws in them. Support showing T2 and faction frequency crystal damage in the info window! |
Miss Whippy
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
113
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Posted - 2012.03.15 00:34:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:If you want support for your ideas, stop insulting people who point out flaws in them.
I don't want their support, they're just here to troll and come up with stupid statements that they KNOW are idiotic and easily solved with a few basic thinking skills, in other words they are trolls. If they were constructive in their posts, then they would get my respect. But since they are just forum warriors who troll other people's ideas while not having the balls to post any of their own, I will quite happily insult them.
You look just as stupid for trying to defend them Time to-áCOMPLETELY REDESIGN THE U.I. FROM SCRATCH: - End the click fest & Multiple Window fest - Streamline and Simplify it-á - Improve scalability-á |
Danika Princip
Freelance Economics Astrological resources Tactical Narcotics Team
280
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Posted - 2012.03.15 01:45:00 -
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Miss Whippy wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:If you want support for your ideas, stop insulting people who point out flaws in them. I don't want their support, they're just here to troll and come up with stupid statements that they KNOW are idiotic and easily solved with a few basic thinking skills, in other words they are trolls. If they were constructive in their posts, then they would get my respect. But since they are just forum warriors who troll other people's ideas while not having the balls to post any of their own, I will quite happily insult them. You look just as stupid for trying to defend them
I don't need to post my own terrible ideas to know yours are worse. |
Kusum Fawn
State War Academy Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2012.03.15 02:12:00 -
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oh god, please dont limit research jobs to 24 hour allotments i would die.
as to skill ques, and NPC station services, i know a few players who forget their research for months on end, if they could que up extra jobs to cover the inevitable amount of time they would forget to check on i would never be able to use a lab slot again.
NPC stations would be over run by alts doing stupid amounts of research on stupid things. how long does a carrier bpo take to do a single a ME ? now que that up five times, or copy, the situation is already bad in a lot of places for NPC slots, but letting characters que (and occupy que time) above what they can already take up with their grubby little alt hands, just makes a bad situation worse
you act like people don't have the isk to do something like that. or the alts, 10 research jobs per alt? +5 que slots? 6 alts? great.
its lack of imagination that proposes these ideas. other people will absolutely **** it up for you and if you cant see that, then you lack the depth of imagination that others clearly have.
edit ~ while you bolded a quotation of yours in that persons post, you didnt answer their question. |
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Miss Whippy
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
113
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Posted - 2012.03.15 02:13:00 -
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Danika Princip wrote:Miss Whippy wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:If you want support for your ideas, stop insulting people who point out flaws in them. I don't want their support, they're just here to troll and come up with stupid statements that they KNOW are idiotic and easily solved with a few basic thinking skills, in other words they are trolls. If they were constructive in their posts, then they would get my respect. But since they are just forum warriors who troll other people's ideas while not having the balls to post any of their own, I will quite happily insult them. You look just as stupid for trying to defend them I don't need to post my own terrible ideas to know yours are worse.
You just don't have any. Which is even more apparent when you try to be funny. Time to-áCOMPLETELY REDESIGN THE U.I. FROM SCRATCH: - End the click fest & Multiple Window fest - Streamline and Simplify it-á - Improve scalability-á |
Miss Whippy
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
113
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Posted - 2012.03.15 02:23:00 -
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Kusum Fawn wrote:oh god, please dont limit research jobs to 24 hour allotments i would die.
as to skill ques, and NPC station services, i know a few players who forget their research for months on end, if they could que up extra jobs to cover the inevitable amount of time they would forget to check on i would never be able to use a lab slot again.
NPC stations would be over run by alts doing stupid amounts of research on stupid things. how long does a carrier bpo take to do a single a ME ? now que that up five times, or copy, the situation is already bad in a lot of places for NPC slots, but letting characters que (and occupy que time) above what they can already take up with their grubby little alt hands, just makes a bad situation worse
you act like people don't have the isk to do something like that. or the alts, 10 research jobs per alt? +5 que slots? 6 alts? great.
its lack of imagination that proposes these ideas. other people will absolutely **** it up for you and if you cant see that, then you lack the depth of imagination that others clearly have.
edit ~ while you bolded a quotation of yours in that persons post, you didnt answer their question.
My imagination extends to building my own POS and not being dumb enough to rely on NPC slots in the first place. Anyone who can afford a carrier BPO and then puts it in an NPC slot rather then buying a POS and a Lab is a moron of the highest order. Pity your imagination can't reach that far, you deserve to fail.
And I did answer the quesiton, you clearly missed it in your rush on the bandwagon of the small minded. Time to-áCOMPLETELY REDESIGN THE U.I. FROM SCRATCH: - End the click fest & Multiple Window fest - Streamline and Simplify it-á - Improve scalability-á |
Fredfredbug4
Kings of Kill EVE Animal Control
89
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Posted - 2012.03.15 02:26:00 -
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One minute you will be trying to push for this idea. The next minute you will be whining that the super alliances control every every station.
Miss Whippy wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:If you want support for your ideas, stop insulting people who point out flaws in them. I don't want their support, they're just here to troll and come up with stupid statements that they KNOW are idiotic and easily solved with a few basic thinking skills, in other words they are trolls. If they were constructive in their posts, then they would get my respect. But since they are just forum warriors who troll other people's ideas while not having the balls to post any of their own, I will quite happily insult them. You look just as stupid for trying to defend them
Master troll or internet tough guy? YOU DECIDE FORUMS!
But if you honestly think that everyone here is either a troll or an idiot then why do you keep creating new threads? If anything you are just as stupid as you claim we are because you post things that are visible to the same group of people yet expect different responses. And did your mother ever tell you to "don't feed the trolls"? If you think people are trolling your only giving them what they want by responding aggressively.
People post constructively, other people don't. But I guess in order for someone to post constructively, they not only have to agree with you but show why everyone else is wrong.
Put it this way, you've apparently had enough of us. If you truly want to get your ideas across try contacting a friendly CSM member with similar views to yours. |
Kusum Fawn
State War Academy Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2012.03.15 03:05:00 -
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Miss Whippy wrote:
My imagination extends to building my own POS and not being dumb enough to rely on NPC slots in the first place. Anyone who can afford a carrier BPO and then puts it in an NPC slot rather then buying a POS and a Lab is a moron of the highest order. Pity your imagination can't reach that far, you deserve to fail.
And I did answer the quesiton, you clearly missed it in your rush on the bandwagon of the small minded.
please then, repeat the expanded explanation for those who have to look up every other word in a dictionary. the carrier bpo was illumination rather then literal, but it could also be literal.
if i know that im going to be living out in sov space for a while i dont always want to be running logistics for a hisec pos. there isnt always enough time in my day/week/month for that. sometimes there is, but other times not so much. i could take it to nullsec with me, but knowing how fast stations can turn sometimes, or pos's can get razed etc. its generally not something that people do with large amounts of costly bpo's. i know a few other people that run hisec pos's just to do copys for their alliances.
with the implimentation of a research job que i know that my research, would overflow their available research space. a npc station is nice for dropping things that i know im not really going to be using for a month or two. its better then letting it lie fallow.
my PI alts can use research job slots. i dont check their research that much because i knwo that NPC lab space is usually busy so its always a week wait to even start my job, but since they are alts i don't mind, they get things that aren't rush, or terribly important. but being able to queue up say an additional 5 jobs would mean that i could say, add another 30 days across 5 more lab slots for ME research, somethings take a while and im not always going to use it right away, extra cruiser bpos? why not add more ME to that? doesnt hurt if im not manufacturing them right away. or copy. lets get an additional 30 copies of those mining crystal bpos, (5 full run copies takes 18 days in a pos lab) NPC lab space alt time!
if it was bad now, it can only get worse, i could always add alts, but i dont want to pay the subscription either through isk or cash,
there is also the problem of corpmates who arent as considerate as you would like. or were you suggesting that everyone have their own pos and labs?
this limitation while annoying, is generally good. |
Miss Whippy
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
113
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Posted - 2012.03.15 04:45:00 -
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SO basically you want risk free BPO research you can do while you go off to play in SoV. Well that's tough really. You're clearly not someone who does invention or any serious indy stuff, and it's clear that non of the people making idiotic and dismissive comments do either. If they did they would realise there was a problem with the way the current mechanics work.
But as I've already pointed out, they don't give a **** as they're not actually interested in debating features and ideas, they are just here to act like twats and troll every thread they can rather then actually contribute something constructive or intelligent. Time to-áCOMPLETELY REDESIGN THE U.I. FROM SCRATCH: - End the click fest & Multiple Window fest - Streamline and Simplify it-á - Improve scalability-á |
Kusum Fawn
State War Academy Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2012.03.15 07:16:00 -
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Miss Whippy wrote:SO basically you want risk free BPO research you can do while you go off to play in SoV. Well that's tough really. You're clearly not someone who does invention or any serious indy stuff, and it's clear that non of the people making idiotic and dismissive comments do either. If they did they would realise there was a problem with the way the current mechanics work.
I'm sorry, wut?
I believe that I have made my stance clear. if not i will restate it. I am not in support of the idea presented in the first post.
The example that i outlined twice was an illustration of why a mechanic like the one you proposed in the first post is unsuitable for the game.
NPC research slots have already been looked at once because of gross mismanagement. people tried to rent npc slots they had been holding with alts and massive research jobs. this is why when a job is cancelled it no longer opens the research slot.
as to the problems with the Science and Industries tab. they are fairly well known and someday we hope to get them addressed by ccp. these issues do not include additional research jobs by individual characters or the addition of a queue system.
If by chance by "queue system" you meant "bundle job orders so i can start several jobs at once instead of having to select lab space and click several times per invention/copy/manufacture job" that is an entirely different thing. it is something that there are already several threads about and many discussions on. it is something that we, do hope that CCP will figure out a proper implementation for.
as to my industrial credibility, huh? |
Grumpy Owly
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Posted - 2012.03.15 07:17:00 -
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I think Miss Whippy needs another ice cream from Mummy. Never seens so much irrational butthurt from clear and logical objections.
Try making an effort to refine your ideas based on the obvious assertions people are making in an adult way. If anything their participation might enable a better idea or at least be viewed as positive criticism so that you might be enthused to find a solution to overcome issues or accomodate other peoples interest in a game you share with them.
Besides resorting to tantrums to get your way is something 5 year olds do. Suggest a visit to the time out chair so you can think about things in a more constructive way as a result. Bounty Hunting for CSM 7
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