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Ban Bindy
Bindy Brothers Pottery Association
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Posted - 2012.03.14 16:18:00 -
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CSM has made it clear that it is a large contributor to the problems with Eve, and the structure of an election by players is slanted toward older players from big player blocks in an obvious way. I want to play a game, not to participate in electoral politics.
CSM's decisions veer back and forth from stupid to absurd, the recent "Titan Crisis" being a good example.
I don't care whether CCP replaces CSM with something else or not. I'd recommend a board made up of people who tried the game and left it after a few months. They might be able to help guide the game in a healthy direction. As it is, CSM is dominated by people who want more of the same or who want the game to favor their empires and their styles of play.
Eve needs people. Eve especially needs women. Real women who don't talk about raping asteroids and other such stupid crap as occurs in this game constantly. Eve needs people who won't worship corp theft, betrayal, and general sandbox bullying. The present CSM will never see that,
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War Kitten
Panda McLegion
635
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Posted - 2012.03.14 16:23:00 -
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Don't forget to vote for your favorite representative in CSM 7!
Just follow the handy link below in my signature. If you're reading my sig you cannot claim ignorance, only stupidity or apathy, if you don't go VOTE now for CSM7. |
Ghoest
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Posted - 2012.03.14 16:25:00 -
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Ban Bindy wrote:CSM has made it clear that it is a large contributor to the problems with Eve, and the structure of an election by players is slanted toward older players from big player blocks in an obvious way. I want to play a game, not to participate in electoral politics.
CSM's decisions veer back and forth from stupid to absurd, the recent "Titan Crisis" being a good example.
I don't care whether CCP replaces CSM with something else or not. I'd recommend a board made up of people who tried the game and left it after a few months. They might be able to help guide the game in a healthy direction. As it is, CSM is dominated by people who want more of the same or who want the game to favor their empires and their styles of play.
Eve needs people. Eve especially needs women. Real women who don't talk about raping asteroids and other such stupid crap as occurs in this game constantly. Eve needs people who won't worship corp theft, betrayal, and general sandbox bullying. The present CSM will never see that,
1 You are right that the CSM needs to go. However CCP doesnt get it.
2 Your whines about politically correct speech are pathetic. Wherever You Went - Here You Are |
Aiwha
101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2012.03.14 16:26:00 -
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So you want WoW players to make suggestions to CCP? Regards,
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FlameGlow
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
53
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Posted - 2012.03.14 16:27:00 -
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Ban Bindy wrote:CSM has made it clear that it is a large contributor to the problems with Eve, and the structure of an election by players is slanted toward older players from big player blocks in an obvious way. I want to play a game, not to participate in electoral politics.
CSM's decisions veer back and forth from stupid to absurd, the recent "Titan Crisis" being a good example.
I don't care whether CCP replaces CSM with something else or not. I'd recommend a board made up of people who tried the game and left it after a few months. They might be able to help guide the game in a healthy direction. As it is, CSM is dominated by people who want more of the same or who want the game to favor their empires and their styles of play.
Eve needs people. Eve especially needs women. Real women who don't talk about raping asteroids and other such stupid crap as occurs in this game constantly. Eve needs people who won't worship corp theft, betrayal, and general sandbox bullying. The present CSM will never see that,
Oh, it's a brilliant idea, to leave decisions of the direction game takes to people who never really played it and aren't playing it. You'll never be in CSM, not because nobody knows you butbecause you have ideas like these. |
Xercodo
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Dark Matter Coalition
973
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Posted - 2012.03.14 16:39:00 -
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-Most of the time, we didn't want them anyway. Rarely is is a case of them just having not been introduced properly and shown the fun stuff to make them stay. Usually EVE simply doesn't work for them.
-Exactly why people elect the CSM in the first place, cause you might notice that a lot of them have a general feel of "let's not really change a whole lot, let's just fix things". A large majority of the player base wants EVE to stay the way it is in regards to rough world, scamming, lies, and unfair advantages.
-While it's agreed that we could use a more female player base it doesn't have to done by making this WoW in space. CCP's plan for this is Incarna (the full thing, not the fail last summer). Right now they're working on figuring out how to make WiS more connected and meaningful to the rest of EVE, and the CSM can help do that. Once it's out (and the missile effects, missile pods, and V3 projects are done) CCP can throw more art guys at making clothes and such. Shiny spaceships might lure them in but the social aspects and the fun with fashion will keep them here :P Hell, even after they added in full body preview you already have girls complimenting each other on how good their outfits look or how to make them better. ... Oh and also hello kitty scorpions, might have to vote for T'Amber just for that one xD
-Mittens brought up a good point in one of the interviews I heard. The whole concept that any one CSM member has any sort of agenda to help themselves and/or their alliance over others is BS. Why? Cause any change they make to null and sov warfare effects everyone. There isn't any mechanic in EVE that could possibly be manipulated for a single group without it being very blatant in bold text and red letters in the patch notes saying "We gave goons free titans". If one group within a gameplay aspect benefits or loses, they all do. Pirates, Carebears, null-bears, WH Dwellers, etc etc etc... The Drake is a Lie |
Kai Tel
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.03.14 17:03:00 -
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OP, believe it or not but I am actually convinced that CCP knows exactly how to spin the CSM to better the game rather than being led in the wrong directions by them. There is a reason they keep all the old meeting records in a locked bin no one ever looks at contrary to rumors of change. Really, they just need to learn to play it safe with their own internal corporate memos and documents...
The CSM is simply an extension of the EVE political meta-game used by CCP to create occasional positive spin amongst the player base. ItGÇÖs a way of offering token appeasements and letting the player base feel involved in the gameGÇÖs future while they chart their course as they dogged well please. I mean do you really think they censor the minutes just to protect trade secrets?
PfftGǪ
Look at whatGÇÖs written in those minutes. ItGÇÖs good double speak and publicity spin. I think it is brilliant and shows that CCP can be an innovative company. It gives us someone to cast stones at outside their walls and gives them a means of looking good "after a supposed change of heart after meeting ewith the community." The CSM should be retained.
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1880
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Posted - 2012.03.14 18:02:00 -
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Chairman For Life Mittani is laughing at you. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Grumpy Owly
326
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Posted - 2012.03.14 18:06:00 -
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Stop EvE Apathy Bounty Hunting for CSM 7
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Enuen Ravenseye
Aliastra Gallente Federation
9
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Posted - 2012.03.14 18:14:00 -
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Ban Bindy wrote:Eve needs people. Eve especially needs women. Real women who don't talk about raping asteroids and other such stupid crap as occurs in this game constantly. Eve needs people who won't worship corp theft, betrayal, and general sandbox bullying.
Take all that away, and what the hell would be left???
All the stuff you mentioned is what keeps a lot of the current players around. Without the inherent drama, EVE would be be a boring grind-ridden MMO like all the others.
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1881
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Posted - 2012.03.14 18:17:00 -
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Ban Bindy wrote:Eve needs people. Eve especially needs women. Real women who don't talk about raping asteroids and other such stupid crap as occurs in this game constantly. Eve needs people who won't worship corp theft, betrayal, and general sandbox bullying. The present CSM will never see that,
There are better options for finding a girlfriend online.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Grumpy Owly
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Posted - 2012.03.14 18:19:00 -
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Enuen Ravenseye wrote:Ban Bindy wrote:Eve needs people. Eve especially needs women. Real women who don't talk about raping asteroids and other such stupid crap as occurs in this game constantly. Eve needs people who won't worship corp theft, betrayal, and general sandbox bullying. Take all that away, and what the hell would be left??? All the stuff you mentioned is what keeps a lot of the current players around. Without the inherent drama, EVE would be be a boring grind-ridden MMO like all the others.
Yet there are a number of good CSM candidates who wouldn't remove those elements of gameplay. They have the strength to endorse a more philanthropic and holistic approach to the "fun of EvE" and also to promote it in multiple areas as opposed to simply a selfish approach catering to a limited set only. Bounty Hunting for CSM 7
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1882
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Posted - 2012.03.14 18:27:00 -
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Grumpy Owly wrote:Yet there are a number of good CSM candidates who wouldn't remove those elements of gameplay. They have the strength to endorse a more philanthropic and holistic approach to the "fun of EvE" and also to promote it in multiple areas as opposed to simply a selfish approach catering to a limited set only.
Thankfully none of them are going to be elected.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Grumpy Owly
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Posted - 2012.03.14 18:34:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Grumpy Owly wrote:Yet there are a number of good CSM candidates who wouldn't remove those elements of gameplay. They have the strength to endorse a more philanthropic and holistic approach to the "fun of EvE" and also to promote it in multiple areas as opposed to simply a selfish approach catering to a limited set only. Thankfully none of them are going to be elected.
I actually see a number of good new candidates this year like Hans as an example that would offer a more balanced opinion to issues. That and I see a number of level headed members of the current CSM 6 capable of a better understanding of whats better for EvE in the main than Mittens blinkered approach to meta-win politics. Bounty Hunting for CSM 7
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Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
133
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Posted - 2012.03.14 18:38:00 -
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Grumpy Owly wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Grumpy Owly wrote:Yet there are a number of good CSM candidates who wouldn't remove those elements of gameplay. They have the strength to endorse a more philanthropic and holistic approach to the "fun of EvE" and also to promote it in multiple areas as opposed to simply a selfish approach catering to a limited set only. Thankfully none of them are going to be elected. I actually see a number of good new candidates this year like Hans as an example that would offer a more balanced opinion to issues. That and I see a number of level headed members of the current CSM 6 capable of a better understanding of whats better for EvE in the main than Mittens blinkered approach to meta-win politics.
So you're saying you think Titans should be able to blap logi's and HICs?
Because that's what it sounds like you're ******* saying.
I don't think there's anything balanced about that.
But your random and wildly contradictory thoughts are duly noted. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Grumpy Owly
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Posted - 2012.03.14 18:42:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote:Grumpy Owly wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Grumpy Owly wrote:Yet there are a number of good CSM candidates who wouldn't remove those elements of gameplay. They have the strength to endorse a more philanthropic and holistic approach to the "fun of EvE" and also to promote it in multiple areas as opposed to simply a selfish approach catering to a limited set only. Thankfully none of them are going to be elected. I actually see a number of good new candidates this year like Hans as an example that would offer a more balanced opinion to issues. That and I see a number of level headed members of the current CSM 6 capable of a better understanding of whats better for EvE in the main than Mittens blinkered approach to meta-win politics. So you're saying you think Titans should be able to blap logi's and HICs? Because that's what it sounds like you're ******* saying. I don't think there's anything balanced about that. But your random and wildly contradictory thoughts are duly noted.
There is more to EvE than just one issue. But i guess this is the kind of "blinkered" opposition we have come to expect.
Personally I'm not a Titan Pilot, and I see the issue surrounding the ploriferation of supercapitals as something that needs to be addressed before it gets out of hand of course. Wether the approach taken here to the null sec issues surrounding this is the best one I can't really judge. But there is more to EvE than just Titans even though it is topical.
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Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
133
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Posted - 2012.03.14 18:45:00 -
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Grumpy Owly wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:Grumpy Owly wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Grumpy Owly wrote:Yet there are a number of good CSM candidates who wouldn't remove those elements of gameplay. They have the strength to endorse a more philanthropic and holistic approach to the "fun of EvE" and also to promote it in multiple areas as opposed to simply a selfish approach catering to a limited set only. Thankfully none of them are going to be elected. I actually see a number of good new candidates this year like Hans as an example that would offer a more balanced opinion to issues. That and I see a number of level headed members of the current CSM 6 capable of a better understanding of whats better for EvE in the main than Mittens blinkered approach to meta-win politics. So you're saying you think Titans should be able to blap logi's and HICs? Because that's what it sounds like you're ******* saying. I don't think there's anything balanced about that. But your random and wildly contradictory thoughts are duly noted. There is more to EvE than just one issue. But i guess this is the kind of "blinkered" opposition we have come to expect. Personally I'm not a Titan Pilot, and I see the issue surrounding the ploriferation of supercapitals as something that needs to be addressed before it gets out of hand of course. Wether the approach taken here to the null sec issues surrounding this is the best one I can't really judge. But there is more to EvE than just Titans even though it is topical.
Your point. You don't have one.
I want to see examples, because you still aren't making any sense beyond terribly vague generality.
Name a position that Mittani has taken that isn't balanced...since you seem to know what issues we're talking about and I obviously don't. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Lexmana
Imperial Stout
250
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Posted - 2012.03.14 18:48:00 -
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Ban Bindy wrote:I want to play a game, not to participate in electoral politics. Too bad then that electoral politics is part of the game you are playing. But it is not mandatory. You can always opt-out. |
Grumpy Owly
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Posted - 2012.03.14 18:48:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote:
Your point. You don't have one.
I want to see examples, because you still aren't making any sense beyond terribly vague generality.
Name a position that Mittani has taken that isn't balanced...since you seem to know what issues we're talking about and I obviously don't.
Read my link blogged I provided it explains my stance as to why I have these opinions.
Otherwise there has been significant debate on various topics in the CSM forum surrounding this years elections which can be used to form an "informed" choice about candidates. Bounty Hunting for CSM 7
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Blatant Forum Alt
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
26
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Posted - 2012.03.14 18:48:00 -
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Ban Bindy wrote:CSM has made it clear that it is a large contributor to the problems with Eve, and the structure of an election by players is slanted toward older players from big player blocks in an obvious way. I want to play a game, not to participate in electoral politics.
CSM's decisions veer back and forth from stupid to absurd, the recent "Titan Crisis" being a good example.
I don't care whether CCP replaces CSM with something else or not. I'd recommend a board made up of people who tried the game and left it after a few months. They might be able to help guide the game in a healthy direction. As it is, CSM is dominated by people who want more of the same or who want the game to favor their empires and their styles of play.
Eve needs people. Eve especially needs women. Real women who don't talk about raping asteroids and other such stupid crap as occurs in this game constantly. Eve needs people who won't worship corp theft, betrayal, and general sandbox bullying. The present CSM will never see that,
Show me on the doll where CSM6 touched you. |
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Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
133
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Posted - 2012.03.14 18:52:00 -
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Grumpy Owly wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:
Your point. You don't have one.
I want to see examples, because you still aren't making any sense beyond terribly vague generality.
Name a position that Mittani has taken that isn't balanced...since you seem to know what issues we're talking about and I obviously don't.
Read my link blogged I provided it explains my stance as to why I have these opinions. Otherwise there has been significant debate on various topics in the CSM forum surrounding this years elections which can be used to form an "informed" choice about candidates.
You mean this crap?
Grumpy Owly wrote:[quote=Grumpy Owly]The main reason why the current members of the CSM have attained and appear to believe they can retain power is simply due to using their members to power bloc voting members from their null sec alliances.
As such the numbers and views show that a vast number of players are not interested in voting and thus whilst you may be blissfully unaware, your interests may not be being fully supported.
Chance are that if you are an industrialist, moreso a miner, a member who plays in high sec, low sec or worm hole space then your interests may be being neglected by the current CSM.
I wont tell you how to vote, but I would like to urge you to possibly research the issues further on the EvE forums but most importantly I would urge you to Vote in CSM 7 this March.
Considering the Mittani's Representation:
"One interesting stat to look at quickly might be the level of apathy or representation Mittens has.
According to his own reported figures in the last election he got 5k+ votes, keeping things simple and being generous lets make this 6k. According to CCP there are approx 745k active players. So assuming they are all even maxed out with 3 chars this means roughly (745k / 3) = 248k active accounts at least.
As such it means that the representation of active accounts based on the previous Mittani electorate at best is about:
(6 / 248) * 100 = 2.4 percent.
As such it is hardly a convincing figure that he does in fact unequivocally represent the player interest, far from it." - Delici Feelgood
It also means that it would take very little in terms of representative votes opposing the Mittani to easily re-address any power afforded to him through his bloc voting methods.
So you're taking Mittani's representation, which you fudge with pretty poor maths, and equating that to him having an unbalanced position?
Please tell me you've got more than this? Please tell me that you actually have some kind of facts?
Otherwise this looks like blind libel.
[Edit: You also encourage your readers (indirectly, through your incredible wishy-washyness) to split their votes, further ensuring that Mittani will win. You really are a bright, bright star!] He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Grumpy Owly
326
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Posted - 2012.03.14 18:57:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote:Grumpy Owly wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:
Your point. You don't have one.
I want to see examples, because you still aren't making any sense beyond terribly vague generality.
Name a position that Mittani has taken that isn't balanced...since you seem to know what issues we're talking about and I obviously don't.
Read my link blogged I provided it explains my stance as to why I have these opinions. Otherwise there has been significant debate on various topics in the CSM forum surrounding this years elections which can be used to form an "informed" choice about candidates. You mean this crap? Grumpy Owly wrote:[quote=Grumpy Owly]The main reason why the current members of the CSM have attained and appear to believe they can retain power is simply due to using their members to power bloc voting members from their null sec alliances.
As such the numbers and views show that a vast number of players are not interested in voting and thus whilst you may be blissfully unaware, your interests may not be being fully supported.
Chance are that if you are an industrialist, moreso a miner, a member who plays in high sec, low sec or worm hole space then your interests may be being neglected by the current CSM.
I wont tell you how to vote, but I would like to urge you to possibly research the issues further on the EvE forums but most importantly I would urge you to Vote in CSM 7 this March.
Considering the Mittani's Representation:
"One interesting stat to look at quickly might be the level of apathy or representation Mittens has.
According to his own reported figures in the last election he got 5k+ votes, keeping things simple and being generous lets make this 6k. According to CCP there are approx 745k active players. So assuming they are all even maxed out with 3 chars this means roughly (745k / 3) = 248k active accounts at least.
As such it means that the representation of active accounts based on the previous Mittani electorate at best is about:
(6 / 248) * 100 = 2.4 percent.
As such it is hardly a convincing figure that he does in fact unequivocally represent the player interest, far from it." - Delici Feelgood
It also means that it would take very little in terms of representative votes opposing the Mittani to easily re-address any power afforded to him through his bloc voting methods. So you're taking Mittani's representation, which you fudge with pretty poor maths, and equating that to him having an unbalanced position? Please tell me you've got more than this? Please tell me that you actually have some kind of facts? Otherwise this looks like blind libel. [Edit: You also encourage your readers (indirectly, through your incredible wishy-washyness) to split their votes, further ensuring that Mittani will win. You really are a bright, bright star!]
You have only provided a specific portion of the blog. Missed off a number of supporting points.
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Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
133
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Posted - 2012.03.14 18:58:00 -
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Grumpy Owly wrote:You have only provided a specific portion of the blog. Missed off a number of supporting points.
Your willingness to enlighten us is overwhelming.
How will the apathetic masses ever thank you? He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Grumpy Owly
326
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Posted - 2012.03.14 19:03:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote:Grumpy Owly wrote:You have only provided a specific portion of the blog. Missed off a number of supporting points.
Your willingness to enlighten us is overwhelming. How will the apathetic masses ever thank you?
I'm not going to hold a gun to anyone's head. I'm simply presenting information.
It's up to the convictions of the individual to support something and that is a personal choice.
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Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
133
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Posted - 2012.03.14 19:05:00 -
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Grumpy Owly wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:Grumpy Owly wrote:You have only provided a specific portion of the blog. Missed off a number of supporting points.
Your willingness to enlighten us is overwhelming. How will the apathetic masses ever thank you? I'm not going to hold a gun to anyone's head. I'm simply presenting information. It's up to the convictions of the individual to support something and that is a personal choice.
Where is said information?
Also - YOU TOLD THEM TO SPLIT THEIR VOTES!
Why in New Eden should anybody listen to a single thing that you have to say?
It seems rather like following the advice of their own (according to you) worst enemy.
Mittani wanted them to split their votes.
That's exactly what you told them to do. Good for you! You should join the CFC, bro! He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2012.03.14 19:06:00 -
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Grumpy Owly wrote:You have only provided a specific portion of the blog. Missed off a number of supporting points. By the way, it's ~370k active accounts. Not 745, not 248. There is no way of knowing how many active players there are. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
Grumpy Owly
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Posted - 2012.03.14 19:10:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Grumpy Owly wrote:You have only provided a specific portion of the blog. Missed off a number of supporting points. By the way, it's ~370k active accounts. Not 745, not 248. There is no way of knowing how many active players there are.
I was using a previous citation from CCP Diagoras to forumlate a figure based on maxed out accounts as can be seen from the link.
But if I use your figure (if you can provide the citation) it makes the representation of Mittens position even worse reducing it to approx. 1.6%. Bounty Hunting for CSM 7
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Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
134
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Posted - 2012.03.14 19:12:00 -
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Grumpy Owly wrote:Tippia wrote:Grumpy Owly wrote:You have only provided a specific portion of the blog. Missed off a number of supporting points. By the way, it's ~370k active accounts. Not 745, not 248. There is no way of knowing how many active players there are. I was using a previous citation from CCP Diagoras to forumlate a figure based on maxed out accounts as can be seen from the link. But if I use your figure (if you can provide the citation) it makes the representation of Mittens position even worse reducing it to approx. 1.6%.
Which really makes your advice stink all the worse, now, doesn't it?
I mean you could have stepped up and opposed him. You could have rallied the troops around a centrist candidate.
Yet you did nothing, and continue to do nothing but qq about representation.
Do you understand how monumentally fail this looks? He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Grumpy Owly
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Posted - 2012.03.14 19:19:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote:Grumpy Owly wrote:Tippia wrote:Grumpy Owly wrote:You have only provided a specific portion of the blog. Missed off a number of supporting points. By the way, it's ~370k active accounts. Not 745, not 248. There is no way of knowing how many active players there are. I was using a previous citation from CCP Diagoras to forumlate a figure based on maxed out accounts as can be seen from the link. But if I use your figure (if you can provide the citation) it makes the representation of Mittens position even worse reducing it to approx. 1.6%. Which really makes your advice stink all the worse, now, doesn't it? I mean you could have stepped up and opposed him. You could have rallied the troops around a centrist candidate. Yet you did nothing, and continue to do nothing but qq about representation. Do you understand how monumentally fail this looks?
Not really if I'm trying to encourage voting in an effort to reduce apathy. By maintaining a view of not encouraging or suggesting specifically who to vote for, it leaves it as a personal choice. This freedom of choice encourages a view to participate and not feel prescribed as to how people should vote. This to me actually helps with the apathy issue imho.
I feel confident that the candidates propoganda (good or bad), debates, manifestos and discussions with interested parties in their campaign threads provides the outcome of support as a result, although bloc voting issues will be apparent. The only stance I have which is obvious and has been for some time, is I don't support Mittens candidacy. But this is the motivation behind why I view it important to address the apathy of course.
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Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2012.03.14 19:24:00 -
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Grumpy Owly wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:Grumpy Owly wrote:Tippia wrote:Grumpy Owly wrote:You have only provided a specific portion of the blog. Missed off a number of supporting points. By the way, it's ~370k active accounts. Not 745, not 248. There is no way of knowing how many active players there are. I was using a previous citation from CCP Diagoras to forumlate a figure based on maxed out accounts as can be seen from the link. But if I use your figure (if you can provide the citation) it makes the representation of Mittens position even worse reducing it to approx. 1.6%. Which really makes your advice stink all the worse, now, doesn't it? I mean you could have stepped up and opposed him. You could have rallied the troops around a centrist candidate. Yet you did nothing, and continue to do nothing but qq about representation. Do you understand how monumentally fail this looks? Not really if I'm trying to encourage voting in an effort to reduce apathy. By maintaining a view of not encouraging or suggesting specifically who to vote for, it leaves it as a personal choice. This freedom of choice encourages a view to participate and not feel prescribed as to how people should vote. This to me actually helps with the apathy issue imho. I feel confident that the candidates propoganda (good or bad), debates, manifestos and discussions with interested parties in their campaign threads provides the outcome of support as a result, although bloc voting issues will be apparent. The only stance I have which is obvious and has been for some time, is I don't support Mittens candidacy. But this is the motivation behind why I view it important to address the apathy of course.
It's so good of you to give people what they already had: Freedom of Choice!
I think that should be what FC stands for. In fleets from now on, I think the CFC FC's should leave it up to people to decide for themselves what to do, you know, instead of actually leading them.
Yes, you are the harbinger of a new era in EVE! An era where the game resembles a sandbox, and people do what they want!
You really think the apathetic read through Xenura's lolplatform? Hans Jagerblitzen? Seriously?
There were like forty candidates. Splitting the vote between all non-Mittani candidates is genius!
I can't wait until we quit using focu-fire in fleets. Who needs to call primaries when there's a whole enemy fleet of targets to pick from?
Thank you so much for this freedom of choice. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
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