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Cyriel Longinus
Caldari
XERCORE
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Posted - 2008.07.04 15:07:00 -
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Edited by: Cyriel Longinus on 04/07/2008 15:27:44
ôThe Caldari State is ruled by several mega-corporations. There is no central government to speak of - all territories within the State are owned and ruled by corporations. Duty and discipline are required traits in Caldari citizens, plus unquestioning loyalty to the corporation they live to serve. The corporations compete aggressively amongst themselves and with companies outside the State, resulting in a highly capitalistic society.ö
The above description makes sense how simply it should be in The Caldari State.
Truth.
The media were given a false story to report. A Caldari Carebear Regime, The Secretariate, was voted into office by a less than handful of people in one channel and began to passively influence the Caldari State Militia for the "Greater Good".
You can imagine how so very thrilled the Caldari PVP Community embraced their new carebear overlords.
There was no campaign, no other choice given for Secretary General. Those who worded against the appointment of Secretary General Kassasis Dakkstromri were immediately branded dissenters and dismissed. This was exactly how a unanimous vote by all Caldari was counted.
Since that day the Caldari State has grown feeble and apathetic.
The Secretariate is a failing, a false authority disguised with the smile of "good will". Though it hides behind a veil of being an advisory council, it is too closely akin to a central government. It breeds and forgives weakness.
Weakness is not a Caldari virtue.
How fitting that on this Fourth of July, patriots of the State, Caldari PVP Corporations have decided to denounce the Secretary General, reclaim the Caldari State from the weak and restore tradition by declaring war on the Secretariate [SP-S] and corporations loyal to it.
We invite all fellow Citizens and Patriots of the State to join us so that the Caldari State does not fall victim to the same fate as the Amarr Empire.
Those wishing to join in on the overthrowing of the Secretariate, join us in declaring his corp valid war targets, and let us patriots lead by example.
The weak shall not inherit the Caldari State.
[Translation: We don't like our Carebear Overlords and the Caldari PVP Corporations will run the show from now on, even if we have to club our baby seals to make it so]
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Waxau
Unus - Vir Exercitus
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Posted - 2008.07.04 15:10:00 -
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Edited by: Waxau on 04/07/2008 15:13:52
/salutes
/signed
/starts wardec vote
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Cyriel Longinus
Caldari
XERCORE
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Posted - 2008.07.04 15:11:00 -
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Reserved
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Murk Loar
Caldari
The Ex-Patriots
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Posted - 2008.07.04 15:18:00 -
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Reserved...
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TylerJames
Caldari
XERCORE
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Posted - 2008.07.04 15:23:00 -
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Baby seals...this will hurt me more than it hurts you. 
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Stitcher
Caldari
Duty.
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Posted - 2008.07.04 15:28:00 -
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While I have no respect for the Secretariat - I'm yet to see them actually do anything - It's more than a bit counter-productive to resort to animosity and internecine conflict to try and depose them. The security of the State would be weakened by an internal power struggle, at least in the short term, meaning that you are actively working against your sworn duty to ensure that our people's defenses are as strong as possible.
Now is not the time to be fracturing the Protectorate into a mob of bickering factions. If you want to show the Secretariat how real soldiers fight - if you want to lead the protectorate - then do so by example, not by declaring war on pilots who are ultimately on your own side. Even if you have no respect for their competence, warring amongst ourselves can only serve to weaken the State's protection.
Lead by example, not by force.
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Cyriel Longinus
Caldari
XERCORE
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Posted - 2008.07.04 15:35:00 -
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 Originally by: Stitcher
While I have no respect for the Secretariat - I'm yet to see them actually do anything - It's more than a bit counter-productive to resort to animosity and internecine conflict to try and depose them. The security of the State would be weakened by an internal power struggle, at least in the short term, meaning that you are actively working against your sworn duty to ensure that our people's defenses are as strong as possible.
Now is not the time to be fracturing the Protectorate into a mob of bickering factions. If you want to show the Secretariat how real soldiers fight - if you want to lead the protectorate - then do so by example, not by declaring war on pilots who are ultimately on your own side. Even if you have no respect for their competence, warring amongst ourselves can only serve to weaken the State's protection.
Lead by example, not by force.
My fellow soldier, have you gone in the Caldari Command Channel to request back up and support to exfiltrate your buddies from a hotspot. Yea, it sums it up.
I'm dam sure the only people you've seen to come support your buddies were us.
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Stitcher
Caldari
Duty.
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Posted - 2008.07.04 15:40:00 -
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Actually, my buddies and I are very competent at exfiltrating ourselves from our own hot spots without backup. Although to give them credit where its due, we have gratefully received assistance from CAIN on a few occasions, co-ordinated via our own private comms channels.
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Waxau
Unus - Vir Exercitus
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Posted - 2008.07.04 15:49:00 -
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Originally by: Stitcher
Actually, my buddies and I are very competent at exfiltrating ourselves from our own hot spots without backup. Although to give them credit where its due, we have gratefully received assistance from CAIN on a few occasions, co-ordinated via our own private comms channels.
That, in itself proves the lack of coherant control the Secretariate has upon the Militia. More to that extent, is how much more control your corporation and CAIN have in comparison. Yet i dont see you on a pedestal, pretending to be worthy of such a feat.
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TylerJames
Caldari
XERCORE
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Posted - 2008.07.04 15:55:00 -
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Originally by: Stitcher
Actually, my buddies and I are very competent at exfiltrating ourselves from our own hot spots without backup. Although to give them credit where its due, we have gratefully received assistance from CAIN on a few occasions, co-ordinated via our own private comms channels.
First sentence says he does not need back up, second sentence says he has gladly received it. Go figure. 
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Stitcher
Caldari
Duty.
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Posted - 2008.07.04 15:56:00 -
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Edited by: Stitcher on 04/07/2008 15:59:10
Flattering though this is, it doesn't address my point that declaring war on members of our own militia isn't really conducive towards presenting a strong, united front, any more than their abysmal failure at co-ordinating the Protectorate is.
There are better ways to break their undeserved place on the pedestal than with guns. Discredit them, demonstrate how incompetent they are, draw attention to their failings. Firing on our own, regardless of their lack of competence, is counter-productive.
Originally by: TylerJames
First sentence says he does not need back up, second sentence says he has gladly received it. Go figure.
Only an idiot turns down assistance where it is offered. I am not saying we do not NEED backup - I am saying that we are capable of functioning well without it, but are not so stupid and arrogant as to turn it down where and when it is required and given.
I'm intrigued that you think attempting to slander me is a good idea, too. More dissent in the ranks?
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Dex Nederland
Caldari
Lai Dai Infinity Systems
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Posted - 2008.07.04 16:00:00 -
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Edited by: Dex Nederland on 04/07/2008 16:01:04
Hi, welcome to the Intergalatic Summit, your post will now be analyzed in detail by the pod pilot community ((and we are the actual RPers, unlike the Secretariate)).
Originally by: Cyriel Longinus
Edited by: Cyriel Longinus on 04/07/2008 15:21:15
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ôThe Caldari State is ruled by several mega-corporations. There is no central government to speak of - all territories within the State are owned and ruled by corporations. Duty and discipline are required traits in Caldari citizens, plus unquestioning loyalty to the corporation they live to serve. The corporations compete aggressively amongst themselves and with companies outside the State, resulting in a highly capitalistic society.ö
The above description makes sense how simply it should be in The Caldari State.
This was true until the recent events of Tibus Heth's rise to power. The reason there is even a war on is that the CEO of KK, Tibus Heth, got all the megacorporation's CEOs to agree to give him strategic control of their assets. I would suggest you review the recent news that lead to war to understand how the situation in the State has changed. There is effectively a central government now, Tibus Heth and his Caldari Providence Directorate.
I personally favored the previous system, but I support Lai Dai and Lai Dai has agreed to support the CPD.
Originally by: Cyriel Longinus
Truth.
The media were given a false story to report. A Caldari Carebear Regime, The Secretariate, was voted into office by a less than handful of people in one channel and began to passively influence the Caldari State Militia for the "Greater Good".
You can imagine how so very thrilled the Caldari PVP Community embraced their new role-player overlords.
First off, the State has never been and hopefully will never be a democracy based on mob rule. The leaders of the Secretariate stepped up to lead. If you do not feel any confidence in the leadership at the moment, then present your arguments to the CEOs of corporations and a vote of no confidence can be taken, but have an idea who will be willing to replace the leadership. Another option to simply ignore it and work on your own.
The long established Caldari Corporations ((that would be those of us who have been supporting the State for awhile, like the Caldari Independent Navy Reserve)) are actually not the corporations leading this. ((So you don't have RP overlords)).
continued below...
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Dex Nederland
Caldari
Lai Dai Infinity Systems
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Posted - 2008.07.04 16:01:00 -
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Originally by: Cyriel Longinus
There was no campaign, no other choice given for Secretary General. Those who worded against the appointment of Secretary General Kassasis Dakkstromri were immediately branded dissenters and dismissed. This was exactly how a unanimous vote by all Caldari was counted.
Since that day the Caldari State has grown feeble and apathetic.
The State is not a democracy. Kassais Dakkstromri offered to hold 'elections' but would every employee of a State corporation get a vote, I hope not. It was discussed how exactly to replace the individual acting as the Secretariate General; one idea was to give corporations a number of votes based on their size.
Originally by: Cyriel Longinus
The Secretariate is a failing, a false authority disguised with the smile of "good will". Though it hides behind a veil of being an advisory council, it is too closely akin to a central government. It breeds and forgives weakness.
Weakness is not a Caldari virtue.
How fitting that on this Fourth of July, patriots of the State, Caldari PVP Corporations have decided to denounce the Secretary General, reclaim the Caldari State from the weak and restore tradition by declaring war on the Secretariate [S-PS] and corporations loyal to it.
We invite all fellow Citizens and Patriots of the State to join us so that the Caldari State does not fall victim to the same fate as the Amarr Empire.
Those wishing to join in on the overthrowing of the Secretariate, join us in declaring his corp valid war targets, and let us patriots lead by example.
The weak shall not inherit the Caldari State.
[Translation: We don't like our Carebear Overlords and the Caldari PVP Corporations will run the show from now on, even if we have to club our baby seals to make it so]
Do you mind providing a list of what largely combat oriented corporations are joining you in creating a civil war?
Perhaps you missed the fact that State forces have actually occupied a system, unlike the Empire and more like the Minmatar.
It will take more than high kill statics to achieve results in this war.
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Your patriotism wreaks of jealousy and discontent. Your patriotism will thin our numbers and decrease our industrial capacity.
If you do not want to take part in the Secretariate, then that is your corporation's decision. However you will have no influence on the guidance it gives to those willing to listen. It has no authority to order anything, including sending back up to anywhere, it can only suggest.
Founder Heiian Society |
Cyriel Longinus
Caldari
XERCORE
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Posted - 2008.07.04 16:17:00 -
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Edited by: Cyriel Longinus on 04/07/2008 16:31:54
For now, only The Secretariate [SP-S] has been wardec'd by Caldari Corporations.
If any others rally or defend it, they become targets.
I doubt he will ever undock. I expect that.
He may even cover himself from future attention by rolling over back to the NPC Corproation.
But by doing this I just put a gun to the system and demostrated that he could do nothing to oppose it.
PVP Communities are formed ... by force.
Not four hour conversations about good intentions.
However, if you favor PVP Corporations leaving the Caldari State to join Mimmatar or Gallante where they operate on a organized corporate level with other experienced corps ... continue on about you Role Player points of view ... encourage this The Secretariate to set example as to who is the best to lead your Tech II Ships and Gear into Tama.
Note who has seen that list and left to join the other side the next day. I don't mind seeing some qaulity targets in my overview but when it's to the point that we have fallen as pitifully deep as the Amarr ... then what. How shiny will it all be then.
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Roccia19
Caldari
XERCORE
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Posted - 2008.07.04 16:26:00 -
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Edited by: Roccia19 on 04/07/2008 16:31:13
As an approved fleet commander I have seen the inner workings of the secretariate and all I have seen are empty ideas and a udder lack of productivity.
In continuation of our Mission Statement, we have established a capability to begin to receive 'general donations' from the Militia. In future we will evolve our services to address the needs of the Militia in as much of a self sufficient way as possible, yet always willing to act as a focal point for philanthropy and charitable contributions for pilots and corporations. as said byKassasis Dakkstromri in the state protectorate mailing list.
yet numerous individuals have been appointed to positions more or less to execute these financial donations, which i still don't know what they've done with it...in matter of fact what has the secretariate done for anyone other than waste their time with pointless talking. i haven't herd of anyone seeing a dime from these so called donations.
which leads me to one simple conclusion they are funneling the financials that they have received to establish a moon mining network (which that has been numerous discussions about in private caldari command channels). And their intentions are to use the good folks in the state protectorate as meat for their project.
simply put their are using the good name of the caldari state to cover their purpose of individual financial gain at the expense of the caldari militia members, in particularly those who just don't know better.
there is no other way to put this other than...SCAM!!!
The Caldari State is currently loosing and there has been a growing apathy for the Caldari cause largely spurred by the lack of action and all too much political posturing and focusing on how fat the secretariate's pockets are...Kassies has said it himself that he rarely undocks and spends the day talking to people to make himself look better and talk them out of their hard earned isk, for what? his financial gain.
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Zekarus
Caldari
MAIDS
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Posted - 2008.07.04 16:35:00 -
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A wise man once said, "When right, to be kept right; when wrong, to be put right", but Cyriel, old friend, being former comrades before in pod-pilot politics and alliances - though whether you may remember me or not is another matter - I have seen that you are a man of honor and integrity. The support you and your cohorts have lent me back then played no small part in whetting my appetite for more delicate, smaller-scale engagements.
But can you not see? The State has made too many enemies, both foreign and domestic, its people are blindly patriotic and obedient. A lesson of humility, my friend, is what the State - or rather, many of their militia - needs. They need to understand that they indeed are vulnerable, that they can bleed like everybody else, and that if they don't get their head out of their hinds, that they will indeed be faced with something more than they may be able to chew. Crimes, old friend, even treason, can be justified. Whatever dishonour or crimes that one may commit can be washed away with success.
I do believe, however, that you have done all you can - all that anybody can - and that there are places outside the State where you may serve the State better. Join us. You do not have to be the war hero whom leads your Empire to victory. If you truly love the State, isn't it enough that you shall be contributing to its reformation, Cyriel? For better? A man of talent and resources like you, I'm sure, would be welcomed back by most members of the State, even if grudgingly doing so out of respect they have gained for you.
[[Woah... First RP post, this stuff can get addictive.]
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Cyriel Longinus
Caldari
XERCORE
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Posted - 2008.07.04 17:02:00 -
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OMG Zekarus o7
You know, I made a stand. Hopefully I will also get to shoot someone to make a point.
I will consider your words.
It nice to see you.
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Stitcher
Caldari
Duty.
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Posted - 2008.07.04 17:32:00 -
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Originally by: Roccia19
The Caldari State is currently losing
Are we? I honestly hadn't noticed, what with the way we have annexed and maintained control over Federation territory, while their response to date has consisted of a Meaningless and ultimately ineffectual raid into our high security systems for no tangible result and little else.
We're far from losing this war. We aren't exactly winning it, either, but there's an enormous gulf of no-man's-land separating victory and defeat.
Anyway:
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As an approved fleet commander
I think even the fact that there is such a thing as an approved list of fleet commanders is demonstration enough of just how overbearing and meddling the Secretariat are. Abandoning all pretence of modesty for a second, I am a damn good FC. I've headed up campaigns in Deklein, Fountain, Cloud Ring, Paragon Soul, Curse and Fade, with excellent results in all cases. During my time with the FLA, we earned the distinction of being the only alliance ever to force the Mercenary Coalition to miss a contractual deadline, and were honoured as such in their after-action report on the campaign in question. I've flown against and alongside some of the best combat pilots in the galaxy, commanded and contested some of the most professional and powerful fleets in the sky. I have been there, done that, and earned multiple T-shirts in the process.
Yet I am not on their list. More to the point, I don't care that I am not on the list, because I have no assurances as to the competence of the pilot who wrote up said list in the first place and, without naming anybody specific, I've seen one or two people on that list who I wouldn't personally trust in charge of a school sports team, let alone a war fleet.
That's not to say I assume all the pilots on that list are incompetent - I'm sure many of them earned their position there on merit - but I have trouble accepting as valid a group of self-appointed "leaders", none of whom I've ever even heard of.
The idea of having leaders appointed by merit, the respect of their peers, and the judgment of more established leaders, is not a democratic institution - it is a function of common sense. Leaders do not choose themselves - they must prove themselves worthy of the privilege first.
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Allaria Kriss
Minmatar
Elipse Inc.
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Posted - 2008.07.04 17:51:00 -
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You better make sure you don't get your wish to be in charge mate. You might think the Secretariate is useless, but once you get in the position yourself, you'll realize why, and there won't be anything you can do about it. It's easy to sit back and criticize from a distance when you're not actually held accountable for the problem, just like a Gallente who didn't vote criticizing President Foiritan.
Here's a suggestion. How about instead of filling GalNet with stupidity like a bunch of Gallente, you try and work WITH the system, make it work a little more like you believe it should, without trying to incite a civil war. The Militia has enough problems, the same problems that cause the Secretariate (Or indeed any organized body) to be ineffective, without you adding to them just because you want to feel important.
Incidents like this do more than any Gallente could to kill morale and make people unwilling to fight.
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Waxau
Unus - Vir Exercitus
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Posted - 2008.07.04 17:56:00 -
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Originally by: Allaria Kriss
You better make sure you don't get your wish to be in charge mate. You might think the Secretariate is useless, but once you get in the position yourself, you'll realize why, and there won't be anything you can do about it. It's easy to sit back and criticize from a distance when you're not actually held accountable for the problem, just like a Gallente who didn't vote criticizing President Foiritan.
Here's a suggestion. How about instead of filling GalNet with stupidity like a bunch of Gallente, you try and work WITH the system, make it work a little more like you believe it should, without trying to incite a civil war. The Militia has enough problems, the same problems that cause the Secretariate (Or indeed any organized body) to be ineffective, without you adding to them just because you want to feel important.
Incidents like this do more than any Gallente could to kill morale and make people unwilling to fight.
No one is asking to be in charge. And combined with that is we're in the Militia. We arent affected by the Secretariate in any way shape or form. All it constitutes as is spam within the mailing list. To an extent that i dont even read it nowdays.
The minute i start being influenced by the secretariate in a positive way, is the time when ill put up, and shut up personally.
Until then, his role has no value, and is a single man on an ego trip. Am i not correct?
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Cyriel Longinus
Caldari
XERCORE
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Posted - 2008.07.04 18:03:00 -
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Edited by: Cyriel Longinus on 04/07/2008 18:05:12
Stitcher,
I agree with you on leadership. That's why I'm interested in seeing the Secretariate removed to make room for something more freeform and creditable. I have faith that things work themselves out.
Much like what you said...
"The idea of having leaders appointed by merit, the respect of their peers, and the judgment of more established leaders, is not a democratic institution - it is a function of common sense. Leaders do not choose themselves - they must prove themselves worthy of the privilege first."
The Secretariate is not exactly a image of strength, a banner for the experienced warmongers to rally under during wartime.
OH and ...
Roccia19 was not trying to credit himself more than saying he knows what is what from the first hand perspective within in this deafcto self appointed leadership.
and ..
I did some Fleet Command in Fountain ... you say they had Fountain T-Shirts!!?
I didn't get a T-Shirt =(
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Dex Nederland
Caldari
Lai Dai Infinity Systems
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Posted - 2008.07.04 18:09:00 -
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Originally by: Stitcher
Yet I am not on their list. More to the point, I don't care that I am not on the list, because I have no assurances as to the competence of the pilot who wrote up said list in the first place and, without naming anybody specific, I've seen one or two people on that list who I wouldn't personally trust in charge of a school sports team, let alone a war fleet.
That's not to say I assume all the pilots on that list are incompetent - I'm sure many of them earned their position there on merit - but I have trouble accepting as valid a group of self-appointed "leaders", none of whom I've ever even heard of.
The idea of having leaders appointed by merit, the respect of their peers, and the judgment of more established leaders, is not a democratic institution - it is a function of common sense. Leaders do not choose themselves - they must prove themselves worthy of the privilege first.
Best way to look at the list, in my opinion, is more of a list of "Known Force Commanders" or "Recommended Force Commanders" versus a list of good force commanders. It probably should be rephrased to reflect that.
Verin, any group that steps up to lead the Caldari State's corporations is in fact self-appointed. No individual knows or can know the history of every CEO or Force Commander that is supposedly supporting the Caldari State. We can only take anyone at their word and the word of others.
There was zero established leadership between the pod pilot corporations at the onset of the war with the Federation. Thus someone has to be self appointed at least in the interm to organize the establishment of leadership amongst the Capsuleers. ((CCP is not going to tell us who will lead the State militia.)) Leadership takes time to develop and no one will be forced to follow anyone, corporations are free to leave the State at any time to pursue their own goals.
If you think the Protectorate is thinking to long term at the moment and you think it needs a change in direction, let them know. You may however find yourself in a minority amongst those interested in being organized beyond a corporate level.
If anyone believes it can bully other capsuleers into doing it their way, they will find themselves fighting this war alone.
Founder Heiian Society |
Dex Nederland
Caldari
Lai Dai Infinity Systems
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Posted - 2008.07.04 18:28:00 -
[23]
Congratulations, your objective has been achieved, the Secertariate has stepped down from trying to organize the State milita. Have fun herding Fedos.
Founder Heiian Society |
Cyriel Longinus
Caldari
XERCORE
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Posted - 2008.07.04 18:39:00 -
[24]
Edited by: Cyriel Longinus on 04/07/2008 18:44:51
Originally by: Allaria Kriss
You better make sure you don't get your wish to be in charge mate. You might think the Secretariate is useless, but once you get in the position yourself, you'll realize why, and there won't be anything you can do about it. It's easy to sit back and criticize from a distance when you're not actually held accountable for the problem, just like a Gallente who didn't vote criticizing President Foiritan.
Here's a suggestion. How about instead of filling GalNet with stupidity like a bunch of Gallente, you try and work WITH the system, make it work a little more like you believe it should, without trying to incite a civil war. The Militia has enough problems, the same problems that cause the Secretariate (Or indeed any organized body) to be ineffective, without you adding to them just because you want to feel important.
Incidents like this do more than any Gallente could to kill morale and make people unwilling to fight.
Go to the Caldari Commander Channel and try to make effrot to work with the system. Let's see how much energy is wasted there before you decide it would be more exciting and worthwile elsewhere.
If you haven't noticed ... the morale is exactly at the point where it's worth shooting someone to make it obvious.
I have no intentions of allowing anyone to replace The Secretary General or allow the current one to cruise along.
As for critizing from a distance ... Hi, I was made OP for every Caladari Militia channel there was ... a XERC Pilot was dragged or included into every little discussion that laid the path that lead up to the unfortunate coup.
I could do it your way and chat myself to death ... but I prefer to shoot someone and get it done twice as fast.
I do prefer to shoot someone that is confident enough to disregard anyone willing speak against a corrupt status qou.
Allaria Kriss, instead of mouthing off, put yor conviction where you mouth is and say you're loyal to the Secretariate, show how ready you and commited you are to defending it.
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Stitcher
Caldari
Duty.
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Posted - 2008.07.04 18:39:00 -
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Originally by: Dex Nederland
If you think the Protectorate is thinking to long term at the moment and you think it needs a change in direction, let them know. You may however find yourself in a minority amongst those interested in being organized beyond a corporate level.
Well, you said it yourself - traditionally, organization above the corporate and megacorporate level has been tenuous at best within the State. We're at our best when organized into smaller cells and teams that can focus on a task at hand. The divisions in Black Rise don't need to know what's going on in Essence, for example.
If we have a secretariat, its sole function should be to facilitate communication between the militia sub-units and corporations, not to try and control it all.
Originally by: Cyriel Longinus
Roccia19 was not trying to credit himself more than saying he knows what is what from the first hand perspective within in this deafcto self appointed leadership.
I'm sorry, I didn't intend to imply anything. He just gave me a useful springboard to air one of my grievances.
Quote:
Verin, any group that steps up to lead the Caldari State's corporations is in fact self-appointed. No individual knows or can know the history of every CEO or Force Commander that is supposedly supporting the Caldari State. We can only take anyone at their word and the word of others.
The Protectorate was engineered together out of multiple capsuleers and corporations, each of which have their own history and precedent. There were plenty of people there who had the qualifications and experience necessary to be vouched for by a lot of their peers - those are the people who should be in charge.
We didn't build an organization from scratch here, and as such all of our higher leadership could have been selected through rigorous evaluation of their prior careers. Instead, some people just said "right, we're in charge now", without even providing credentials. At most, what those people should have done was to trawl our ranks looking for the people qualified to lead, rather than declaring then and there that they were the ones to do it.
We can still pressure them into doing just that, I reckon. Warring with each other is not the way to go about it.
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Waxau
Unus - Vir Exercitus
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Posted - 2008.07.04 18:40:00 -
[26]
Originally by: Dex Nederland
Congratulations, your objective has been achieved, the Secertariate has stepped down from trying to organize the State milita. Have fun herding Fedos.
He was trying? Dear god. That never actually showed through. I thought he just liked typing 
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Zekarus
Caldari
MAIDS
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Posted - 2008.07.04 18:48:00 -
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Cyriel, it's bloody good to see you, mate, and "OMG" part belongs to me, especially after I read your name in those news-reports you see in those Concord Billboards. I hope your retirement was pleasant, and we apparently didn't get T-Shirts because we ticked some people off badly, and every one of us got hit with the flak. Which is a shame too. Double-shame, since you may not get the chance to give that man a piece of your mind.
I never personally flew in Stitcher's fleet, but I did hear of his deeds, and numerous comrades and friends did mention that he was one of the only FCs they would fly under, along with 'fessor. Ah, why do all the good people I know be on the opposing team, I wonder? Karma punishing me for my evil deeds, perhaps?
As for Allaria - Cyriel has had leadership positions in the past, and he did a bloody good job of it. His cohorts always spoke highly of him, and if anything, I have a feeling that his retirement - and absence - played downfall of the pod alliance he and I both served in. With distinction.
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Dex Nederland
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.07.04 19:11:00 -
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Originally by: Stitcher
We didn't build an organization from scratch here, and as such all of our higher leadership could have been selected through rigorous evaluation of their prior careers. Instead, some people just said "right, we're in charge now", without even providing credentials. At most, what those people should have done was to trawl our ranks looking for the people qualified to lead, rather than declaring then and there that they were the ones to do it.
Kassasis Dakkstromi offered to hold elections, everyone who was in the meeting at the time said effectively : "We think you should stay put because you took the initiative to do this."
What did you want a popular vote? For the organizers to hunt down every corporation that was taking part in the war effort and ask for their opinion before they said, hey we are going to try and organize and lead?
Originally by: Waxau
He was trying? Dear god. That never actually showed through. I thought he just liked typing Wink
Organization requires typing and takes time to get people on board, generally more than 1 month.
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PsyBlade
Caldari
XERCORE
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Posted - 2008.07.04 19:15:00 -
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Originally by: Dex Nederland
Congratulations, your objective has been achieved, the Secertariate has stepped down from trying to organize the State milita. Have fun herding Fedos.
where is the announcement they stepped down? At this moment it's your word on the GalNet and nothing official.
If your words hold truth then I hope we will soon see an official announcement so that we can move away from this and get the Caldari back on where we should be.
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ability to defeat the enemy means taking the offensive."
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Dex Nederland
Caldari
Lai Dai Infinity Systems
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Posted - 2008.07.04 19:17:00 -
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Edited by: Dex Nederland on 04/07/2008 19:19:51
Perhaps you should see their mailing list.
And I doubt we will actually see any improvement. I trust you guys about as much as you trust me. I would say the same holds true for a lot of corporations.
Besides I abhor the Tama bullshit and it sounds like that is all you are interested in, not actually winning the war.
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