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PsyBlade Caldari XERCORE	Posted - 2008.07.04 19:24:00 - [31] Edited by: PsyBlade on 04/07/2008 19:25:51 Originally by: Dex Nederland Edited by: Dex Nederland on 04/07/2008 19:19:51 Perhaps you should see their mailing list. And I doubt we will actually see any improvement. I trust you guys about as much as you trust me. I would say the same holds true for a lot of corporations. Besides I abhor the Tama bullshit and it sounds like that is all you are interested in, not actually winning the war. the tama BS... chuckles I went their once with an militia fleet op, and decided I would never join that again, as for tama... I see people trying to rally for it more then enough yet it seems that the so-called FC's who are appointed by our rulling senate fail to make a dent there. --- "Security against defeat implies defensive tactics; ability to defeat the enemy means taking the offensive." Sun Tzu - Art of War
Cyriel Longinus Caldari XERCORE	Posted - 2008.07.04 19:35:00 - [32] Hey Dex Nederland, do the homework silly ... most of all the kills XERC has made were in Gallante space in small gangs or solo.
Dex Nederland Caldari Lai Dai Infinity Systems	Posted - 2008.07.04 19:48:00 - [33] Originally by: Cyriel Longinus Hey Dex Nederland, do the homework silly ... most of all the kills XERC has made were in Gallante space in small gangs or solo. Fine I retract my statement concerning the Tama zoo. Founder Heiian Society
Stitcher Caldari Duty.	Posted - 2008.07.04 19:51:00 - [34] Originally by: Dex Nederland Kassasis Dakkstromi offered to hold elections, everyone who was in the meeting at the time said effectively : "We think you should stay put because you took the initiative to do this." What did you want a popular vote? For the organizers to hunt down every corporation that was taking part in the war effort and ask for their opinion before they said, hey we are going to try and organize and lead? Nothing so drastic. A general request via the Militia's media channels for all corporations or freelance FCs to submit details about themselves (names, campaigns and victories of note, reliable referees) would have been fine. That way, any FC who felt like could have been recognized and made known to the whole Protectorate, rather than the rather sloppy "word of mouth" system we presently have. The role of a secretariat is to organize on behalf of others after all. The first step of that is information-gathering and feedback. - Lt. Verin "Stitcher" Tarn-Hakatain.
Cyriel Longinus Caldari XERCORE	Posted - 2008.07.04 20:20:00 - [35] Edited by: Cyriel Longinus on 04/07/2008 20:36:00 It's confirmed the Secetary General has stepped down and The Secretariate [SP-S] influence has been dismantled. The objective has been achieved without harming a single Caldari. There is no further reason to execute the plan. Influence has been restored to the Corporations. To clarify what was stated "the corporation are running the show" this simply means every corporate entity is free to pursue their destiny seperately or as a Militia.
Elex Akat Gallente Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2008.07.04 20:29:00 - [36] Caldari Infighting! Woohoo!
Kaianna Sela Duty.	Posted - 2008.07.04 21:33:00 - [37] Originally by: Cyriel Longinus Edited by: Cyriel Longinus on 04/07/2008 20:36:00 It's confirmed the Secetary General has stepped down and The Secretariate [SP-S] influence has been dismantled. The objective has been achieved without harming a single Caldari. There is no further reason to execute the plan. Influence has been restored to the Corporations. To clarify what was stated "the corporation are running the show" this simply means every corporate entity is free to pursue their destiny seperately or as a Militia. Any corporation worth anything should have been doing this already.....nobody needs more sheep. This will change nothing for anybody with any initiative.
Dex Nederland Caldari Lai Dai Infinity Systems	Posted - 2008.07.04 21:35:00 - [38] Originally by: Cyriel Longinus To clarify what was stated "the corporation are running the show" this simply means every corporate entity is free to pursue their destiny seperately or as a Militia. All corporations were free to do that anyway. Will you also be targeting KK now to get rid of Tibus Heth? Many would argue that he is the greatest threat to the sovereignty of individual corporations. I doubt he will give up the power he has without a fight. Founder Heiian Society
Stitcher Caldari Duty.	Posted - 2008.07.04 23:55:00 - [39] Originally by: Cyriel Longinus It's confirmed the Secetary General has stepped down and The Secretariate [SP-S] influence has been dismantled. The objective has been achieved without harming a single Caldari. I don't know whether to feel surprised, pleased or vindicated... - Lt. Verin "Stitcher" Tarn-Hakatain.
Allaria Kriss Minmatar Elipse Inc.	Posted - 2008.07.05 01:38:00 - [40] Edited by: Allaria Kriss on 05/07/2008 01:52:25 Transmission Edited ... ... ... There's more drama in this militia than in the Amarrian Succession. I took out the last bit, which was more of a diatribe, to replace it with this thought. Did you folks ever realize you've taken power away from the corporations that supported the Secretariate and given it over to a few individuals, specifically the popular fleet commanders? Isn't that the opposite of what you stated you wanted to do?

Stitcher Caldari Duty.	Posted - 2008.07.05 01:54:00 - [41] Originally by: Allaria Kriss There's more drama in this militia than in the Amarrian Succession. Unfortunate and uncomfortable, but true. I can only assume that all the privilege and prestige that comes with being a capsuleer makes short work of driving the famed Caldari efficiency, teamwork and relentless application out of a surprisingly large number of our pilots. Same thing happens to seven out of every eight megacorp CEOs, apparently... Nevertheless... Quote: I saw the Secretariate as the Chief Executive Panel of the Militia, the oversight body that really doesn't have any power but does work to try and coordinate the often-competing interests of the many corporations that do have power. But the Secretariat didn't. They saw themselves as being in charge. Therein lay the problem - we don't like being ordered around by somebody who isn't in charge for a damn good reason. That's how Heth earned the leadership of the State - he demonstrated to the Caldari that he was willing and able to take that rule. I may abhor his racism, but the man's easily one of the best leaders of men I have ever seen. Every CEO, senior executive and officer in the State has had to earn the position, which is why their orders are followed. The Secretariat just decided they were in charge without demonstrating why that should be the case. I don't find it surprising that a lot of the Protectorate's pilots resented that fact, and a lot of the corporations just ignored them outright. Just bear in mind that what looks like a "disorganized mess" is pretty much par for the course of any Caldari institution. Think of it as efficiency through competition. - Lt. Verin "Stitcher" Tarn-Hakatain.
Teebee XERCORE	Posted - 2008.07.05 03:17:00 - [42] Edited by: Teebee on 05/07/2008 03:18:23 Originally by: Cyriel Longinus Edited by: Cyriel Longinus on 04/07/2008 15:27:44 ôThe Caldari State is ruled by several mega-corporations. There is no central government to speak of - all territories within the State are owned and ruled by corporations. Duty and discipline are required traits in Caldari citizens, plus unquestioning loyalty to the corporation they live to serve. The corporations compete aggressively amongst themselves and with companies outside the State, resulting in a highly capitalistic society.ö The above description makes sense how simply it should be in The Caldari State. Truth. The media were given a false story to report. A Caldari Carebear Regime, The Secretariate, was voted into office by a less than handful of people in one channel and began to passively influence the Caldari State Militia for the "Greater Good". You can imagine how so very thrilled the Caldari PVP Community embraced their new carebear overlords. There was no campaign, no other choice given for Secretary General. Those who worded against the appointment of Secretary General Kassasis Dakkstromri were immediately branded dissenters and dismissed. This was exactly how a unanimous vote by all Caldari was counted. Since that day the Caldari State has grown feeble and apathetic. The Secretariate is a failing, a false authority disguised with the smile of "good will". Though it hides behind a veil of being an advisory council, it is too closely akin to a central government. It breeds and forgives weakness. Weakness is not a Caldari virtue. How fitting that on this Fourth of July, patriots of the State, Caldari PVP Corporations have decided to denounce the Secretary General, reclaim the Caldari State from the weak and restore tradition by declaring war on the Secretariate [SP-S] and corporations loyal to it. We invite all fellow Citizens and Patriots of the State to join us so that the Caldari State does not fall victim to the same fate as the Amarr Empire. Those wishing to join in on the overthrowing of the Secretariate, join us in declaring his corp valid war targets, and let us patriots lead by example. The weak shall not inherit the Caldari State. [Translation: We don't like our Carebear Overlords and the Caldari PVP Corporations will run the show from now on, even if we have to club our baby seals to make it so][/quote _____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Kassasis Dakkstromri Deserves punishment beyond death! Now the game will be more fun.
Kassasis Dakkstromri Caldari Secretariate	Posted - 2008.07.05 03:23:00 - [43] But the Secretariat didn't. They saw themselves as being in charge. Normally I do not post in the EVE forums - but to eliminate the perception of 'elitism' here is my post: The Secretariate and its Directors will no longer attempt to represent the Caldari Militia. I reject any statement or insinuation that we viewed ourselves as leaders or in charge of anything. And any false accusations by those who claim to "know" what we were doing internally. We appreciate the support of many from the Militia, and are pleased for what was accomplished in 23 days - whether some short-sighted capsuleers may see it or not. I have spoken with Cyriel to this end. We step aside for the benifit of the Militia, as we stepped up originally for it. We will now act in a private capacity with in the corporate structure in the Militia.
Urtok Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.07.05 03:50:00 - [44] This post reminds me of the other one in general about Caldari weakness and I will quote a response from that thread which I find most appropiate. The CAOD is strong is this thread. WoW killer. No, not a joke...really...why won't you belive me!!!!
Heithcyn Hygelic	Posted - 2008.07.05 04:09:00 - [45] And so it beginsà (snickers)à well ends I suppose. I like many Intaki are or were sympathetic toward the State. We had our own little failed rebellion against the Federation, thanks for the help by the way. See the unfortunate thing about absolutism is that it is soà wellà absoluteà. Now we just set back and watch you eat each other. Well I suppose it serves you right. How many Intaki, loyal to the State by the way, died recently. Just because they werenÆtà. what? Ohh Caldari enough? To be honest you are impressive at times and I enjoy watching you stick it to the Federation but in the end you are just pee brained xenophobes with discussions of grander. That and you treat your friends like dirt so you don't deserve victory. This will end like it always does, Caldari feeding on their own guts for the glory of (insert mega corps name here).
Cyriel Longinus Caldari XERCORE	Posted - 2008.07.05 04:34:00 - [46] Edited by: Cyriel Longinus on 05/07/2008 04:36:57 Originally by: Kaianna Sela Any corporation worth anything should have been doing this already.....nobody needs more sheep. This will change nothing for anybody with any initiative. I knew this. There are several corporations operating idependently or in conjuction with other corporations and pilots that are more than capable of bringing a fight to Gallante Federation space without any form of support from a centralized command structure or in this case "advisory council". The Caldari State Militia is a Military Entity. The Secretariate [SP-S] was not a body of Military Leaders. Fleet Commanders or Chief Executive Officers who have the command experience, earned repsect from the frontline soldier and the resources to conduct warfare operations on a massive scale. However because no took the time speak up there was a growing impression and many misunderstandings that The Secreteriate was the best leadership model and group of central leaders for the Caldari State Militia ... the status quo. Any combat veteran who joins to fight for the Caldari State could sum up the level of strength and support they could possibly be a member of by measuring the leadership. We had veterans signing up and signing out within days because they made logical assumptions that the Caldari Milita was weak because The Secreteriate was so close to a position of influence over the entire organization without challenge. The Secreteriate needed to be removed to allow an open enviroment for more tradtional inter-corporate military cooperation.
The Balance	Posted - 2008.07.05 04:47:00 - [47] So - I have a question; Could you guys possibly get any more dramatic? I'm starting to get flashbacks of high school. Shut up and go kill something. -B
Zekarus Caldari MAIDS	Posted - 2008.07.05 06:06:00 - [48] Originally by: Kassasis Dakkstromri We will now act in a private capacity with in the corporate structure in the Militia. I understand that stories differ from person to person, and as someone not involved in any of this, my information may be skewed, but ugh, that doesn't make it sound as though you're trying to step down gracefully with whatever that's left of your image there. Hell, best wishes man. At least you didn't make a wall of text defending every tidbit of argument that was made. D= ((HI BOEING!)) -------- MAIDS. Now with black, frilly uniforms.
Stitcher Caldari Duty.	Posted - 2008.07.05 10:34:00 - [49] Edited by: Stitcher on 05/07/2008 10:35:20 Originally by: Kassasis Dakkstromri I reject any statement or insinuation that we viewed ourselves as leaders or in charge of anything. And any false accusations by those who claim to "know" what we were doing internally. See, there's the problem - Very few of us actually knew what was happening internally, because you didn't tell anyone. What most of us saw was a group of comparative unknowns who had been placed in charge without any evidence that they deserved it, and then proceeded to do... what? The amount of information coming out of the Secretariat was negligible. Your complete opacity meant that pilots were left with the (possibly mistaken) assumption that A) you were in charge, which was reinforced by the Militia news broadcast on you, and B) that you were incompetent because we weren't receiving any information from you. Is it surprising that the result was resentment and insurrection? Still, the fact that you have graciously stepped down in deference to the greater needs of the State has made me respect you a whole lot more, so allow me to apologize if I have accused you of anything you haven't done. - Lt. Verin "Stitcher" Tarn-Hakatain.
Bruja Ry Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2008.07.05 10:55:00 - [50] I maybe wrong, but this kinda of discussion on the open Galnet, even if needed, could be seen as infighting, and weakness in the State to our Enemies, our Militia, and for future Caldari Militia members. I have been following reports, and it seems that the State Militia Corporations as a whole, should come together, and try to bring some stabilization to the Militia, thus showing a unified front towards our enemies. But this is just my observation as a fresh pod pilot, and an outsider to the militia, so I may just be talking a bunch of nonsense. Bruja Ry

Yoshitaka Moromuo Lai Dai Infinity Systems	Posted - 2008.07.05 11:01:00 - [51] Edited by: Yoshitaka Moromuo on 05/07/2008 11:40:28 "Ensign" Longinus, Your chosen method of "replacing" the Secretariate has only created more conflict and loss of morale within a militia that desperately needs organization. To be honest, things would have gone over better had you raised your concern more tactfully. Make no mistake, this is not a statement of support for the Secretariate, nor is it an official position of my corporation. I make this statement of my own accord. You should be stripped of militia rank and discharged without honor, for there is no honor in threatening to fight your own sworn comrade-in-arms in order to take his place and instill a military junta. Oh, there have been plans to organize defensive efforts on a level smaller than completely militia-wide. They're just now beginning to take final form and begin operation. Just understand that we've learned from the failings of the Secretariate. --Major Yoshitaka Moromuo, 1st Fleet Statements in the above post, unless otherwise specified, are not the official stance of Lai Dai Infinity Systems.
Drayco Caldari The Skype Brotherhood	Posted - 2008.07.05 11:58:00 - [52] Heres my take on the whole thing. If theres a place for leading... people will. If theres a place for people to support... they will. People step up to do things to help make a better understanding of this new game mechanic. Pointing fingers is fine by all means whatever makes you feel better. However putting 1 man in the position to blame (the hot seat) is a bit childish. All I saw come from the "State Protectorate" was pilots trying to help organize a group of players far greater in numbers then any single alliance in eve. They didnt want to control things. just merely offer advice to the new players coming to the game or pvping for the first and also help bridge the gaps between fellow FCs that normally wouldnt be bridged. If by breaking down into solo corporations with in the npc militia alliance is what everyone wants. great thats a start. Start doing something other then flaming. Be the solution to the problem then. The directorates that were involved can only do so much. Being desk jockies isn't fun. However helping people come together for a cause is. Cyr if you have such a hate for the people that wanted to try and help. Sure have it keep it and use it on your WTs and teach how you want to run things to the pilots that want to follow you. your a good FC. However dont jump down other peoples throats until you have been in some of these guys shoes and experiance all the things thats gone on. As Kassasis stated though. There will be only a private entity nothing more. No lime light was to ever come of this. But flame away. Longinus. Good hunting and take care of your fleets.
Cyriel Longinus Caldari XERCORE	Posted - 2008.07.05 11:59:00 - [53] Edited by: Cyriel Longinus on 05/07/2008 12:25:33 Originally by: Yoshitaka Moromuo "Ensign" Longinus, By declaring hostility to fire upon your own fellow militia member while he has not done anything that can be truly considered treasonous, you have stated the intent to instill a military junta in place of the Secretariate, where the strong lead with an iron fist. That act can be considered treasonous in itself, as you are planning to act against fellow citizens of the State. Make no mistake, this is not a statement of support for the Secretariate, nor is it an official position of my corporation. I make this statement of my own accord. You should be stripped of militia rank and discharged without honor, for there is no honor in fighting against your sworn comrade and brother. Oh, there have been plans to organize defensive efforts on a level smaller than completely militia-wide. They're just now beginning to take final form and begin operation. Just understand that we've learned from the failings of the Secretariate. --, 1st Fleet Yoshitaka Moromuo, What do you know about honor and service. Did you discover it somewhere sitting in that Badger and ****ing away in empire for most of your career. I don't ever recall swearing any allegiance or promise to defend specifically you. You have no confirmed kills in this entire war and here you are ... a "Major" on pedestal eager to brand my service to the State and duty as Chief Executive Officer of a Private Military Corporation ... which by Caldari tradtions has the right to agreesively comepete against other corporations foriegn or domestic ... as treason. Then you personaly signed your attempt to insult me with your insignificant rank. I can listen patiently to objective, intelligent contrary criticm but personal insult from a corporation that can hardly back it's own breath deserve to be crushed. One more unkind word from any member of Lai Dai Infinity Systems hiding behind Militia Ranks will be enough proof of a state of agreesion between our corporations does exist and this will not be about the Caldari State ... You better dam pray XERCORE is a member corporation of the Caldari State. This will be very specifically about XERCORE and Lai Dai Infinity Systems who has been set to red. Should we ever leave the service of the State we will see your brand of honor. Call it gift to your coporation comrades from you to them. I call it my gift to you on the fine art of diplomacy and cooperation. You should have lead by exmaple.
PsyBlade Caldari XERCORE	Posted - 2008.07.05 12:31:00 - [54] chuckles softly seems like someone got up and forgot his morning coffee... considering the complaints in a certain channel about a wardec. --- "Security against defeat implies defensive tactics; ability to defeat the enemy means taking the offensive." Sun Tzu - Art of War
Cyriel Longinus Caldari XERCORE	Posted - 2008.07.05 12:38:00 - [55] Drayco, Thank you for your words. It is true that people had stepped up and made a effort to organize ... but to allow that responsibility on the shoulders of just few would have been more fatal than what I had done.
Cyriel Longinus Caldari XERCORE	Posted - 2008.07.05 12:45:00 - [56] Anyways, this matter has been concluded. I have nothing more to say on this.
Drayco Caldari The Skype Brotherhood	Posted - 2008.07.05 12:49:00 - [57] Originally by: Cyriel Longinus Drayco, Thank you for your words. It is true that people had stepped up and made a effort to organize ... but to allow that responsibility on the shoulders of just few would have been more fatal than what I had done. The issue that all the milita's face. Lack of commen terms of engagement. You've 10 FCs doing there own things all over the place. You are correct on the lack of supportive people taking on joint roles with the whole Protectorate. Hense the problem. The CIA made a statement and its a rather good one. "Our Falures our known. Our success... They're not." This kind of applies to whats happend here. Once again I have respect to any FC willing to take charge in a war. It takes ballz. I honestly want to put them in the Gallens mouth not our own guys lol. Cyriel, No hard feelings will ever be taken out of this. We just learn from it, adapt and press on forward. Only way to survive.
Stitcher Caldari Duty.	Posted - 2008.07.05 12:53:00 - [58] Originally by: Cyriel Longinus This will be very specifically about XERCORE and Lai Dai Infinity Systems who has been set to red. Should we ever leave the service of the State we will see your brand of honor. Call it gift to your coporation comrades from you to them. I call it my gift to you on the fine art of diplomacy and cooperation. With all due respect pilot, this is taking things a step too far. As Major Moromuo stated, his opinion was personal, not on behalf of his corporation. You may not like what he has to say, but punishing an entire corporate entity for one member's indiscretion is excessive. If you have issue with Pilot Moromuo, then take it up in private, and don't drag his colleagues into it. We've already managed to avert the scenario of one Protectorate corporation shooting at another. The last thing we need is for the crosshairs to be shifted. Aim your guns at the State's enemies, captain Longinus, not its allies. - Lt. Verin "Stitcher" Tarn-Hakatain.
Dex Nederland Caldari Lai Dai Infinity Systems	Posted - 2008.07.05 15:17:00 - [59] Originally by: Cyriel Longinus You have no confirmed kills in this entire war and here you are ... a "Major" on pedestal eager to brand my service to the State and duty as Chief Executive Officer of a Private Military Corporation ... which by Caldari tradtions has the right to agreesively comepete against other corporations foriegn or domestic ... as treason. Then you personaly signed your attempt to insult me with your insignificant rank. I can listen patiently to objective, intelligent contrary criticm but personal insult from a corporation that can hardly back it's own breath deserve to be crushed. One more unkind word from any member of Lai Dai Infinity Systems hiding behind Militia Ranks will be enough proof of a state of agreesion between our corporations does exist and this will not be about the Caldari State ... You better dam pray XERCORE is a member corporation of the Caldari State. This will be very specifically about XERCORE and Lai Dai Infinity Systems who has been set to red. Should we ever leave the service of the State we will see your brand of honor. Call it gift to your coporation comrades from you to them. I call it my gift to you on the fine art of diplomacy and cooperation. You should have lead by exmaple. Do realize these are not intended as unkind words. I will speak in private to Moromuo-haan in regards to recognition of CEOs and directors in other corporations. Are confirmed kills your only measure of being effective? You assume that LDIS's Chief of Mining & Manufacturing has 0 confirmed kills. I assume this is based on a database (a database I think established with the aid of the Secertariate) that is public. I would point out that not everyone chooses to make their kills/loses public knowledge as you have, keeping the information private for internal use. This is the right of that corporation. Moromuo-haan spent quiet a bit of time operating alone in Providence before joining LDIS, he has not hidden in the confines of the State for his entire career. Also, there is more to war than confirmed kills and losses. In the case of this war there are objectives laid out by the State Protectorate. The rank assigned by the State Protectorate is a measure of completing objectives laid out by the State Protectorate. Completing these objectives puts pilots in harms way. Federation or Pirate forces can and do attempt to dislodge State forces doing so. This as an important part of the war effort; ensuring State space remains unoccupied (and for some working to occupy Federation low security space). Lai Dai Infinity Systems has focused on maintaining State occupancy of northern Black Rise and we do what we can to ensure it. If you think this is insignificant, perhaps we should abandon our efforts and return to the security of Lonetrek. Someone may raise to take our place, but if they all follow your lead then it will not be long before the Federation begins to occupy Black Rise. In the current state of affairs the rights of corporations, loyal to the megacorporations, is in question : KK has strategic control of the other 7 megacorporation's industrial assets. Your corporation is within its rights to be aggressively competitive against whomever it chooses, but this goes both ways. I would point out that we are not actually in the same market and thus our competition appears to be political in form. Most capsuleer corporations are separate from the larger megacorporations, LDIS is not at present and follows the megacorporation's, Lai Dai's, lead for foreign affairs and interfacing with the other megacorporations. Should you decide this is insult from my corporation, then you are within your rights to attack us. We may currently be small and more industrially focused, but that will not stop us from defending ourselves. Xercore is set to orange, to caution our pilots, but we will not look to engage Xercore forces even on sight unless engaged by an Xercore pilot. Founder Heiian Society
TylerJames Caldari XERCORE	Posted - 2008.07.05 15:39:00 - [60] Stitcher, Yoshitaka Moromuo chose to insult and attempt to demean Cyriel Longinus in a public form of communication, so the opportunity of private communication passed with his initial broadcast. Concerning holding his corporation responsible, as far as we know he is a representative of his corporation and has their full backing. Yoshitaka Moromuo, No where in Cy's communique did he say we were trying to take his place or instill a military junta, although with your major's rank I am sure you understand a militia is basically a military reserve.

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