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Stitcher Caldari Duty.	Posted - 2008.07.05 15:57:00 - [61] Originally by: TylerJames Concerning holding his corporation responsible, as far as we know he is a representative of his corporation and has their full backing. Originally by: Yoshitaka Moromuo Make no mistake, this is not a statement of support for the Secretariate, nor is it an official position of my corporation. I make this statement of my own accord. I don't think I should need to add anything here. - Lt. Verin "Stitcher" Tarn-Hakatain.
Dex Nederland Caldari Lai Dai Infinity Systems	Posted - 2008.07.05 16:15:00 - [62] Thank you Verin for trying to mediate. The pilots of Xercore are however within their rights to consider Moromuo's statements to also be those of LDIS just as they can assume you speak for Duty. Within our society, an attack from one individual on another can be seen as an attack from one family, department/division, corporation on another. Founder Heiian Society
Svetlana Scarlet Caldari Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2008.07.05 16:44:00 - [63] This entire debacle is, quite frankly, pathetic. Instead of wasting time with infighting and grand claims of leadership, it would be better if all parties in this matter dealt with their own affairs and held the line against the Federation militia. If you do not respect the leadership of the Secretariat, Mr. Longinus, you can simple ignore them; until recently, I was even unaware of their existence, and the Fourth District corporations are certainly not bowing to their command. If XERCORE is as capable as you claim, surely that is not beyond the realm of your ability. Develop your own allies and their mutual respect and there is no need for the leadership of those you do not respect. Those who only show leadership with empty words will fade away soon enough. Those who show leadership with deeds will be printed in steel. This infighting, however, serves no purpose and only allows the Federation to encroach further on our territory. -- CAPT Svetlana Scarlet CAIN Chief of Diplomatic Staff
Stitcher Caldari Duty.	Posted - 2008.07.05 21:44:00 - [64] Edited by: Stitcher on 05/07/2008 21:45:13 Originally by: Dex Nederland Thank you Verin for trying to mediate. The pilots of Xercore are however within their rights to consider Moromuo's statements to also be those of LDIS just as they can assume you speak for Duty. Within our society, an attack from one individual on another can be seen as an attack from one family, department/division, corporation on another. Well, it's half playing the mediator, and half for the exact same reasons as Svetlana just perfectly summed up. I'll back out however, if that's your wish. This infighting is a waste of time and resources, embarrasses us in front of our enemies, and weakens our ability to fight effectively alongside each other. While XERCORE may be within their rights to take issue with Moromuo-haan and extend it to your corporation, that doesn't make it the right thing to do. The honourable and correct thing to do now would be to let things rest with a verbal rebuke. Active animosity is a step too far. Now, at the end of the day the Protectorate's easily strong enough to survive this bickering, but it really is something we could do without. - Lt. Verin "Stitcher" Tarn-Hakatain.
BloodBird Gallente Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2008.07.05 23:25:00 - [65] (OOC: XERCORE - keep in mind this is not CAOD. This is the IGS, and all replies here should be in character. Mostly it has been, but many of your members make references and arguments over "carebears", "PVP", reffer to the Role-player's struggles as "Role player points of view", stating your interests for the "game" and so on. This needs to stop before you get even more ooc and your posts starts to be deleted as such. Heck, you even exploded in Yoshitaka Moromuo's face for pointing out things in-character. He attacked your efforts in a RP-ing manner, and while your responce was also somewhat in-character I can't help but notice you took it rather personal, as an ooc statement. Please be carefull in future and refrain from ooc-ness, it will make it all more enjoyable for all of us.) XERCORE corporation, you seem rather agressive, and eager for a fight. The Federation is right here, no need to harm your on people over what can easily be dealth with in a civil manner. Also, making treats to the entire LDIS corporation over one man's personal statement, even when he clearly identified it as such, was a tad silly. Your choice I guess. I won't exactly cry seeing the Caldari fire on one another, but I would be dissapointed. Simply because, while you are enemies, killing each other over simple arguments is just so wasteful, when you are both supposedy on the same side. Try to calm down, and things might not get fully out of hand here. Stitcher: Do not worry, a public debate only shows you are not all happy with everything and actually work things out. This is good, because while you might think being human or displaying to enemies that you are actually working issues out is a weakness, I tend to think of it as a quality. The problem adressed was even taken care of, so case closed I guess. There is ofcourse the issue that your dissagreements or lack of agreements on everything tells your foes you are disorganized, but any competent enemy would know that allready, if fact. Still, this is not my place to argue on Caldari affairs. I'll take my leave of your issues now, unless others adres me in person. Sig source
Bablu Hassan Minmatar Rum Runners' Syndicate	Posted - 2008.07.07 07:40:00 - [66] Edited by: Bablu Hassan on 07/07/2008 07:40:10 Wow this is simply stupid... 'Lets kick out the guys who are trying to help and just let it work itself out' I stopped reading after the first page and a half because of stupidity. OK... so the Secretariate wasn't a bunch of hard core PVPers. Well OK, thats fine, I agree, but I'd say most people in the Caldari State FW arent either. From what I saw, they appealed to the newer players and tried to help everyone get into first-time PVP. They had schools, help channels, and helped new players in many ways. So you don't want to fly under them? Then dont. I see Invicta flying in their own corp PVP fleets and kick my ass all the time. Do that, form your own uber-fleet and show Gallente how awesome you are. It essentially boils down to this: New players said æHow do I get into FW?Æ and the Sectariate answered. Veteran PVPers within their own corps say æHow do I get into FW?Æ and THEY DONÆT BOTHER WITH THE SECTARIATE BECAUSE THEY HAVE THEIR OWN CORP. The only persons who were under the 'authority' of the Sectariate were those who wished to submit to it. I look forward to seeing what amazing new organization spawns from this mess. P.S. If you want to shoot Caldari state you should join the Gallente fleet... P.P.S. No I dont speak for my corp.
BloodBird Gallente Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2008.07.07 12:17:00 - [67] (OOC: Aparently you did not read the first part of the post above your own. Again... this.is.not.CAOD. In-character please... pretty please?) Sig source
Natasha Zenith Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.07.07 20:41:00 - [68] Originally by: Svetlana Scarlet This entire debacle is, quite frankly, pathetic. Instead of wasting time with infighting and grand claims of leadership, it would be better if all parties in this matter dealt with their own affairs and held the line against the Federation militia. If you do not respect the leadership of the Secretariat, Mr. Longinus, you can simple ignore them; until recently, I was even unaware of their existence, and the Fourth District corporations are certainly not bowing to their command. If XERCORE is as capable as you claim, surely that is not beyond the realm of your ability. Develop your own allies and their mutual respect and there is no need for the leadership of those you do not respect. Those who only show leadership with empty words will fade away soon enough. Those who show leadership with deeds will be printed in steel. This infighting, however, serves no purpose and only allows the Federation to encroach further on our territory. This, this is exactly what we need now is less structure.. who the hell is XERCORE anyhow?
Odre Echee Equestrian Knight Order of Lolicon	Posted - 2008.07.07 21:03:00 - [69] Originally by: Natasha Zenith This, this is exactly what we need now is less structure.. who the hell is XERCORE anyhow? A distinguished corporation from pod-run Sparta Alliance, and one of the finer ones around before Cyriel decided he wanted a retirement. Their kill-death ratio was impressive.
Pithecanthropus	Posted - 2008.07.08 00:38:00 - [70] This is a perfect example as to why Caldari militia is failing. It's because you have these hardcore pvpers that think FW is all about pvp and kills. They don't want to take trainees under their wing, they don't want to look for victory points, capping plexes... they want to roam and pew. I feel saddened as to what has happened to our fairly elected leadership. Which, by the way, was voted on by atleast 20 FC's and CEO's of miltia corps... a fair representation of the militia community... NOT "less than a handful" of people. The Secretariate was there for organization, not just to gang up and move to the Tama gate. it was a work in progress and if you are so quick to drop the hammer on them, then please at least have a viable option as to what you feel is a necessary replacement to be more productive. As it is now, I haven't heard squat... so I'll wait... and standby for your order oh great one. --------------------------------- Pithecanthropus erectus, a name derived from Greek and Latin roots meaning upright ape-man.

Mackers UK	Posted - 2008.07.08 07:24:00 - [71] Edited by: Mackers UK on 08/07/2008 07:24:59
Mackers Terminus	Posted - 2008.07.08 07:26:00 - [72] it is a shame, total shame... Fairplay - if you don't want to be involved in the secretariate - then don't... but to wardec them... pffftt... Being new to EvE and FW - i was shocked at the total lack of organisation within the Militia... I wanted to quit within my 1st hour... No information, no point of contact or reference... I managed to find some "good guys" who helped me along - then i found the secretariate meeting... i thought - "at last - some information, guidance and progress"... logged off for a few days - feeling better about FW - came back - all hell had broken loose and wardecs issued... and for what? "carebear" this and "pvp" that... Labels are not helping our Militia - if you can do FW without the secretariate - then good for you all... I however, wanted and expected something like the secretariate from the start - not an un-organised free-for-all - as displayed in the militia main channel... I know for a fact that i'm not alone... Whilst on a fleet-op - we (small-ish fleet of 12) got cornered by a Gal fleet of 20 mixed BB's and inties - i screamed for help in the militia main channel and militia base corp - giving system information and fleet make-up... no-one moved a muscle - no one helped... nothing... Just bad comments... So, if being in the milita means no help is given to anyone - except those who know each-other - then how are we going to survive? what is the point? Atleast, from my view-point - if the secretariate (i agree the name could be smaller so it's easier to type) if it was around - we would of been able to get support or help as we would of had a point of contact and some organisation... The sadest thing was, a good-sized friendly fleet was 2 systems away... now, from what i've read - there are big players in our militia - good for them - but what the hell do they do to help a new player like me? Sweet F A... my point is this - if you don't like it - don't do it - do not stop others from enjoying and benefitting from their existence... all these corperation names mean nothing, nothing to me and many others... This is MY view point and not indorsed by or should be retaliated towards my current corp or friends... But get a grip - do your thing - let the secretariate do theirs... Mackers
Teebee XERCORE	Posted - 2008.07.09 02:40:00 - [73] Originally by: Pithecanthropus This is a perfect example as to why Caldari militia is failing. It's because you have these hardcore pvpers that think FW is all about pvp and kills. They don't want to take trainees under their wing, they don't want to look for victory points, capping plexes... they want to roam and pew. I feel saddened as to what has happened to our fairly elected leadership. Which, by the way, was voted on by atleast 20 FC's and CEO's of miltia corps... a fair representation of the militia community... NOT "less than a handful" of people. The Secretariate was there for organization, not just to gang up and move to the Tama gate. it was a work in progress and if you are so quick to drop the hammer on them, then please at least have a viable option as to what you feel is a necessary replacement to be more productive. As it is now, I haven't heard squat... so I'll wait... and standby for your order oh great one. _________________________________________________ Me and alot of other people didnt even know there was a vote. Dont you think there should be some kind of post about the date the vote will begin ? So some random pvpers fc's and some ceos ... but what are those numbers ? was ther like 3 ceos and the rest some pvpers and directors ? and who are these corps ? How could we just let a group of people decide "ok here we are were making a centralised government!" take control by voting themselves in without having the rest of the caldari militia have a say ?
Pithecanthropus	Posted - 2008.07.09 03:52:00 - [74] Originally by: Teebee Me and alot of other people didnt even know there was a vote. Dont you think there should be some kind of post about the date the vote will begin ? So some random pvpers fc's and some ceos ... but what are those numbers ? was ther like 3 ceos and the rest some pvpers and directors ? and who are these corps ? How could we just let a group of people decide "ok here we are were making a centralised government!" take control by voting themselves in without having the rest of the caldari militia have a say ? There were numerous posts, over several days, gathering CEO's and FC's into a shared channel. Where then talks took place, a mailing list was setup, CEO's were notified... a meeting date was proposed... all that could attend were there... all that wanted to speak up did. It was pretty much a unanimous vote among a fair representation of the entire militia. If your CEO's made a vote for something you are against, then this entire issue is with YOUR corp, not the militia. I'm sorry, but to get things done, no one was going to wait for every member to have a vote. It's sad that people in militia chat just don't listen. And, frankly I'm still waiting for those who opposed all this to conjure up some sort of organization. And have the balls and willingness to actually help the militia, set up schools, train, run a fund to help replace losses. If you guys want guerrilla warfare, then by all means gang up and ship out. Without organization... without a core of people willing to offer guidance... you are all lost, and it sure shows in militia chat. --------------------------------- Pithecanthropus erectus, a name derived from Greek and Latin roots meaning upright ape-man.
Stitcher Caldari Duty.	Posted - 2008.07.09 07:59:00 - [75] Originally by: Pithecanthropus There were numerous posts, over several days, gathering CEO's and FC's into a shared channel. Where then talks took place, a mailing list was setup, CEO's were notified... a meeting date was proposed... all that could attend were there... all that wanted to speak up did. Funny then how Duty. has been in the Protectorate since day 1, and has provided FC services since that moment as well, and we didn't hear a word of this. Nor are we unique in that regard. Whoever organized it all was unforgivably sloppy about spreading the word, and pushed the issue too quickly to be sure that they got all of the corporations involved. Why couldn't it wait for a week and use the Militia embedded news system to advertise the fact that this was happening? - Lt. Verin "Stitcher" Tarn-Hakatain.
Pithecanthropus	Posted - 2008.07.09 13:31:00 - [76] Originally by: Stitcher Funny then how Duty. has been in the Protectorate since day 1, and has provided FC services since that moment as well, and we didn't hear a word of this. Nor are we unique in that regard. Whoever organized it all was unforgivably sloppy about spreading the word, and pushed the issue too quickly to be sure that they got all of the corporations involved. Why couldn't it wait for a week and use the Militia embedded news system to advertise the fact that this was happening? Funny how people assume everyone will hear everyone at every hour of the day. I have no idea how you pay attention to militia chat, but whenever I logged in from day 1, I heard news of organization being developed... channels made... people talking. Try going back to your chat logs and see if you are mistaken. People only hear what they want to hear, so I don't blame those that got involved, I blame those that didn't make the effort. --------------------------------- Pithecanthropus erectus, a name derived from Greek and Latin roots meaning upright ape-man.
Stitcher Caldari Duty.	Posted - 2008.07.09 14:51:00 - [77] I assure you, the first I heard of the formation of the secretariat was the news announcement to that effect, long after it would have been relevant. I maintain that the mechanism used for disseminating the knowledge of its existence and for recruiting FCs like myself or CEOs to the discussion was horribly inefficient. - Lt. Verin "Stitcher" Tarn-Hakatain.
Odre Echee Equestrian Knight Order of Lolicon	Posted - 2008.07.09 17:22:00 - [78] Secretariat? Oh, those guys? We've camped them in station for a few hours, then one of the guys talks in local about how there's 30-man fleet coming to get us. We wait for a few hours, but no, we don't see no 30-man fleet, let alone 3-man. Pathetic smacktalk. Did I mention that their POS in Villasen right now, as we speak, is under reinforced after an attack from meager 2-dreadnaught capital fleet with less than 30 support fleet? And that we encountered what essentially is zero resistance from the Protectorate in the time it took Federal Defense Union to accomplish the deed, with all six guns and scrambler incapacitated? I can just see exactly how much respect Secretariat commands, or how well Caldari militia performs.
Pithecanthropus	Posted - 2008.07.09 20:16:00 - [79] Originally by: Stitcher I assure you, the first I heard of the formation of the secretariat was the news announcement to that effect, long after it would have been relevant. I maintain that the mechanism used for disseminating the knowledge of its existence and for recruiting FCs like myself or CEOs to the discussion was horribly inefficient. Of course it was if you were not there. I can argue that same note if I never paid attention myself or wasn't even logged in, but the fact remains people did know, they were aware, it wasn't just this handful of voters. I think at the time militia was around 4,000 members, now its over 7,000 and people are wondering who, what, where, when, why, and how after the fact when they weren't even there. Its all a moot point now, but I'd be more than glad to hear what you guys, or anyone for that matter, has in mind to get this militia back on track. --------------------------------- Pithecanthropus erectus, a name derived from Greek and Latin roots meaning upright ape-man.
Stitcher Caldari Duty.	Posted - 2008.07.10 00:46:00 - [80] Originally by: Pithecanthropus Of course it was if you were not there. Which part of "members of the militia since day one" did you not get? Duty. was right there in the first wave of corporations - we signed up the instant it even became possible to do so, and aside from some administrative time for the paperwork to clear, we've been members of the Protectorate for as long as the Protectorate has even existed. And yet the first whisper we heard about the Secretariat was the newspost about it AFTER the meetings had taken place. Any committee system that does not make itself accessible to the point of being impossible for the people it is overseeing NOT to know about it is doing it's job wrong. - Lt. Verin "Stitcher" Tarn-Hakatain.

Drutt Warsong Caldari The Draconis Combine	Posted - 2008.07.10 11:31:00 - [81] I saw the info about the forming of the protectorate many times in milita chat and was able to join the meeting and get involved the same as anybody. If you didnt see it thats not our fault but you allways had the chance to get involved anyway simply by coming to us and asking. We wanted all the help we could get. No one was shouted down like cyriel claims the majority simply voted and won. Cyrial didnt like that I guess and in his jealosy he decided that since he was incapable of creating any kind of orginsation to lead he would rather destroy the only one we had. But the protectorate is continueing as a private entity and will continue our efforts to help with people that wish to work together with us and if you dont then you are free to do your own thing just as you have allways been. And being private is actually a blessing because we no longer have to deal with arrogant people who "claim" to be the best but have no record to back anything up except for their self gratuitous boasts. I wish you good luck in your efforts to help the state Cyrial,time will tell if you are successful or not.
Drayco Caldari The Skype Brotherhood	Posted - 2008.07.10 11:55:00 - [82] Just a stand point here. War is war. Take it for what it is. If people want to "assume" rolls. let them. However to make claims of a commanding an entire militia is stupid. You cannot expect everyone to be on the same page let alone understand whats going on with the entire battle front. If Anyone thinks they can by all means step up and do it. Till then I suggest everyone work towards common goals. Thats all the Secretariate is for. Giving advice and helping fellow pilots/FC's have a common ground to stay in touch with one another. They never held a leadership roll that gave any form of command. As a note on the POS... ROFLMAO. Lemme give you a cookie. Please spare me from utter lack of warfare tactics. Trying to blow up a survey POS is the least of Caldari concerns. Boost your ego somewhere else. Since everyone laughed at Gallante for attacking UNARMED merchant ships and frigates in Jita. At the end of which Gall's had to run from standard caldari militia police. I guess Gall's needed something to boost their already wacked out ego trips.
Odre Echee Equestrian Knight Order of Lolicon	Posted - 2008.07.10 13:22:00 - [83] Originally by: Drayco Just a stand point here. War is war. Take it for what it is. If people want to "assume" rolls. let them. However to make claims of a commanding an entire militia is stupid. You cannot expect everyone to be on the same page let alone understand whats going on with the entire battle front. If Anyone thinks they can by all means step up and do it. Till then I suggest everyone work towards common goals. Thats all the Secretariate is for. Giving advice and helping fellow pilots/FC's have a common ground to stay in touch with one another. They never held a leadership roll that gave any form of command. As a note on the POS... ROFLMAO. Lemme give you a cookie. Please spare me from utter lack of warfare tactics. Trying to blow up a survey POS is the least of Caldari concerns. Boost your ego somewhere else. Since everyone laughed at Gallante for attacking UNARMED merchant ships and frigates in Jita. At the end of which Gall's had to run from standard caldari militia police. I guess Gall's needed something to boost their already wacked out ego trips. We accomplish deeds that we can brag about. Caldari do not, save pursuing those 'tactical' sites like a child with obsessive-compulsive disorder. Oh, and that definately was no survey POS. We sure as hell as saw a lab in it, and rather poor emplacement of guns. Bah. Beat your chest after you did something spectacular. Any kid can talk all the want. Oh, right, how are the six carriers you lost in retaliation to you taking one of ours? Have they got it back yet?
Pithecanthropus	Posted - 2008.07.10 13:28:00 - [84] Originally by: Stitcher Which part of "members of the militia since day one" did you not get? I got that, you obviously didn't get my point. The fact that we signed up from day 1 also, and that I heard about the State Protectorate and a form of organization EVERY time I was logged in. The facts that hundreds of others were aware. Don't blame someone else, when you and your members had the same opportunities as the rest and failed to listen or even bother to pay attention. --------------------------------- Pithecanthropus erectus, a name derived from Greek and Latin roots meaning upright ape-man.
Dex Nederland Caldari Lai Dai Infinity Systems	Posted - 2008.07.10 13:35:00 - [85] Originally by: Odre Echee We accomplish deeds that we can brag about. Caldari do not, save pursuing those 'tactical' sites like a child with obsessive-compulsive disorder. Oh, and that definately was no survey POS. We sure as hell as saw a lab in it, and rather poor emplacement of guns. Bah. Beat your chest after you did something spectacular. Any kid can talk all the want. Oh, right, how are the six carriers you lost in retaliation to you taking one of ours? Have they got it back yet? Have you re-occupied Odamia yet? Founder Heiian Society
Odre Echee Equestrian Knight Order of Lolicon	Posted - 2008.07.10 13:42:00 - [86] Originally by: Dex Nederland Have you re-occupied Odamia yet? Have you realized the fact that not that many people bother with those 'tactical' sites and that involves beating down on hapless and helpless non-pod militaria assets and prefer a real challenge in forms of "good fight"?

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