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Runewitch
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.07.07 04:04:00 -
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Well, the short of it is, I've sold my main and have a tidy nest egg to sit on. I want to turn Rune here into a formidable PVP opponent in a few years time. What I need is a long-term skills roadmap that I can plug into Evemon and train as I go. My present planner is a completely screwed-up 6 year long train wreck(EveMon file).
The goods:
250 Mil ISK to be divided up between participants willing to pursue making a roadmap for me, within certain guidelines. This amount will be divided up and sent to all who participate in this thread by posting a skill map that is either in Evemon output format or in a spreadsheet format readable by open office (prefer both if possible).
250 Mil ISK to the person I select as having the best roadmap that I can follow from the aforementioned participants. The caveat to this is the provided roadmap must be better than the one I've come up with (which should be easily determined by participating posters and other responders).
Total payout, 500 mil ISK. The 250 mil winner will share in the dispersed money that goes to the other participants, therefore if only 2 people post their plans, the winner would receive 375 Mil ISK. It really is worth that much to me.
The Fine Print:
Participants have the following as guidelines:
 Runewitch will be a Gallante/Caldari hybrid PVP character specializing on small ships up through battleships. She will not mine, manufacture or sit docked trading for a single day in her existence. She may do some mission running, but this will not be her primary focus.
I need a skill plan that will make me as useful as possible in PVP encounters up through my training process. I want to PVP nearly every moment I play Rune and don't want to sit training Caldari and Gallente BS to V before learning the support skills necessary to make her effective in using such ships.
0 Interest in Cap ships or associated skills. Please do not include them. I want to fly up to Marauders and branch elsewhere from there. This will be some time off anyways. And please, no Industry other than enough to fly Transports somewhere down the line.
No, I will not reroll to make her attribute disposition better. and as I intend to use her as much as possible while still training her, I should note she will likely only ever have the +1 or max +2 learning implants available. (Cybernetics V should still be somewhere in the cue, however.)
Participants must host the file somewhere allowing for public download, review and critique. All submissions must include a minimum of 3 years worth of skills planned in the exact order they need to be queued for training.
All plans may become source material for future training and skill planning for newer players (your works will hopefully help to fuel a primer which newer players may follow to achieve better success in training for PVP.
"How can I be sure my hard work will result in actually getting paid?" I guess there are no guarantees as you do not have access to my wallet. If an agreeable 3rd party escrow agent could be agreed upon by the participants, I'd certainly agree to put the funds in at their earliest convenience.
A brief summary should accompany your official forum entry. By this I mean something like the following:
XXX's Skill plan
Highlights: Appx. 15 Mil Sp by X.
1. Will have 5/4 learnings done by x Months time.
2. Will fly fully T2 fitted cruisers in X months time.
3. Will have AWU and Medium Hybrids completed by X. Starting BC skills.
...and so on. This ofc will not need absolute numbers and figures, rather reasonable approximations.
End date for submissions: August 1, 2008 at 1800 server time.
Finally, my limited API to help make things a little easier:
User ID: 1551011
API Key: oAgja6wF3UWRecMySkoSBfyTmWQ0tfmEZNG1fm6HKmWS0xvaF6MOCRM5hTYRU0ZH
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Clueless Alt
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Posted - 2008.07.07 05:28:00 -
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 Originally by: Runewitch
All submissions must include a minimum of 3 years worth of skills planned in the exact order they need to be queued for training.
This is impossible. :o GL anyway for crazy people that will try. 
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Runewitch
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.07.07 05:55:00 -
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Actually, in EveMon its easy :) assign a priority to the skill and your gold. It goes several layers deep, and although I said exact, skills are definately able to be grouped.
Anyways, its several downtime boredoms for some people with too much time on their hands and not enough ISK in their pockets :) That's my target demographic :))
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Taliesyn
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.07.07 06:23:00 -
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Edited by: Taliesyn on 07/07/2008 06:23:32
You know, I was thinking of coming up with something for you right up until I came across this:
Quote:
A brief summary should accompany your official forum entry. By this I mean something like the following:
XXX's Skill plan
Highlights: Appx. 15 Mil Sp by X.
1. Will have 5/4 learnings done by x Months time.
2. Will fly fully T2 fitted cruisers in X months time.
3. Will have AWU and Medium Hybrids completed by X. Starting BC skills.
...and so on. This ofc will not need absolute numbers and figures, rather reasonable approximations.
Screw that, I'm not commenting out a skill plan.
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Akira Kasava
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2008.07.07 07:26:00 -
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Edited by: Akira Kasava on 07/07/2008 07:34:37
Edited by: Akira Kasava on 07/07/2008 07:26:43
Tbh, this part really isn't for me. I can plug stuff into Evemon and figure it out. It was more for any newbs looking on to see what you've come up with and to see a progression path, as well as to let some others know what you've come up with. But meh, I can edit this part out. Quite honestly, I'm sure this hasn't been asked for much in the past, at least not for actual payment. Therefore I'm open to suggestion as well as to ideas how to present your completed works. I'd just like everyone to get their work the attention it deserves :)
Originally by: Taliesyn
Edited by: Taliesyn on 07/07/2008 06:23:32
You know, I was thinking of coming up with something for you right up until I came across this:
Quote:
A brief summary should accompany your official forum entry. By this I mean something like the following:
XXX's Skill plan
Highlights: Appx. 15 Mil Sp by X.
1. Will have 5/4 learnings done by x Months time.
2. Will fly fully T2 fitted cruisers in X months time.
3. Will have AWU and Medium Hybrids completed by X. Starting BC skills.
...and so on. This ofc will not need absolute numbers and figures, rather reasonable approximations.
Screw that, I'm not commenting out a skill plan.
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Estel Arador
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.07.07 07:41:00 -
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Edited by: Estel Arador on 07/07/2008 07:42:04
Lemme know when the money is in the hands of a third party, I'm not gonna spend too much time on it till then 
And when's the deadline exactly?
Should the character include learning skills right at the start or does it have to be 'playable' from the start? (I played while doing the learning skills right at the start, but I'm nuts..)
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Runewitch
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.07.07 07:56:00 -
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Edited by: Runewitch on 07/07/2008 07:58:28
Quote: End date for submissions: August 1, 2008 at 1800 server time. I guess the payout will commence after a healthy period of debate here on the forum, say 48 hrs?
The money can enter any reputable third party that is decided by the participants, not me. That way there can be no chance of impropriety as the community decides where to trust the money.
Learning skills are fine at the start. As I've already accidentally posted a follow up on my interim missioner/combat pilot, I'm in no hurry to rush Rune into combat. I'd just rather not wait 3-4 years to do it.
Originally by: Estel Arador
Edited by: Estel Arador on 07/07/2008 07:42:04
Lemme know when the money is in the hands of a third party, I'm not gonna spend too much time on it till then
And when's the deadline exactly?
Should the character include learning skills right at the start or does it have to be 'playable' from the start? (I played while doing the learning skills right at the start, but I'm nuts..)
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Taliesyn
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.07.07 09:22:00 -
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Ok, now a question for you. You mentioned Caldari, but you've trained Gallente. Are you going to be doing solo pvp, small gangs, fleets, what? Also, do you have a problem with training over to Caldari early? I ask because, well, normal cruisers aren't really that useful most of the time, and get less so the larger the group gets, but a Blackbird is always useful.
I was going to start out by pointing you at tackling, but you seem to have that covered.
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Chickai Hawk
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Posted - 2008.07.07 09:39:00 -
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I'll give it a shot but a little more detail is needed about what *exactly* you plan to do. Solo PvP, small gang or fleet? Mixture of it all? What role will you be playing? Logistics? Tackle? Damage? Regardless, I'll have one done for you in a few weeks as I'll be out of country and away from Eve-mon until then.
Chickai
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Runewitch
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.07.07 14:53:00 -
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PVP will be in small, roaming gangs. I'll likely be bait, will start out as most - tackling early on. Maybe some gatecamps, but not expecting much in the way of fleet ops until I am able to fully participate in a meaningful way. Solo PVP, well yeah, I like a suicide run every now and then but tbh not expecting to be effective here for some time.
Caldari is fine to begin training first. I picked Gallente/Caldari for a few reasons. First, I love drones. I like hybrids and well, training for one gun type while cross training is very appealing. I really like EWAR, and this ofc is where Caldari shine.
The negatives are obvious, and I accept them. Cross training means longer training times with two different tanks,, numerous weapon platforms to learn, Gal/Cal Cruiser, BS V training times, etc. But I know its quite possible to do, and I've flown characters cross trained in the past that have been very well developed with under 30 mil SP (see this Evemon example).
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Runewitch
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.07.08 23:55:00 -
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I've just messaged Chribba in order to secure 3rd party escrow and distribution of funds as no-one else has put forth a service they prefer. Would this be agreeable to everyone? I'll let you know as soon as I hear back from Chribba if he is interested in providing the service if there are no objections.
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Herschel Yamamoto
Bloodmoney Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.07.09 05:46:00 -
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A very interesting challenge. This is going to be a job and a half, but I'll at least poke around some and see if I'm willing to put in a serious bid. And hey, putting down half a billion can't hurt your odds of getting attention - I don't expect a lot of money to go to non-winning submitters, but the participation prizes will definitely boost the number of choices too.
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Solariian Lytebringer
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.07.09 16:04:00 -
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Just out of curiosty, but is ther eany reason why you haven't looked into just acquiring the kind of character you are looking for out of the marketplace forum? You seem to have the assets to do it, and even if it isnt quite what you are looking for chances are it will be someone who is a year or two closer than just starting over from scratch...
Not trying to hijack the thread, but it seems excessive to begin a 6-year proess when you have the means to hop in to a character that is already a year or two in. It doesnt mean you can't start small in your objectives as far as learning pvp, but then you'd be able to progress more along your own timelines rather than your skill training time, all the while training for the future.
Anyway, just my .02 isk. I'll probably still play around with Evemon for you. I need moar money.
Originally by: Jenna Shame
I think it takes 12 minutes to send a command to the mars rovers, so basically EvE might as well have their servers on Mars when it comes to fleet combat.
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Runewitch
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.07.09 17:44:00 -
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Correct. I could have easily purchased a decent main with my most recent sale. I was at a balance of 14 bil, decided to purchase a nice mission runner with some proceeds to fuel my GTC purchasing instead.
Originally when I set out buying and selling characters, I did so as I had 4 mil SP on my main and was flat broke. My training progress stalled as I was unable to afford expensive skill books for continued development. I was floored when I sold my first character. The amount of money you could receive was incomprehensible for selling even a low SP pilot. I thought that the sale went well and therefore I could just trade my way up to a 60-70 mil character well within a year. 4 months later, I had my first 50 mil SP character, Cheeva, whom I just sold.
I never felt connected to any of the characters I bought or traded for. I felt more of a connection with the characters I've created than the others. I really like Runewitch here; I found a character with a name and portrait I like. She is relatively the same SP as my wife and we both find its more enjoyable to play together with the same ability level rather than me BBQ'ing anything she finds threatening.
Now for the reason I'm paying for help. I do very well in finding and bettering established characters. It's the reason I usually sell for twice what I purchase characters for (well, and the ability to spot a bargain). I use these funds to acquire characters with excellent, specialized abilities. I've played well-trained crosstrained characters who are exceedingly effective and fun to play due to their ability to change ships and combat styles on the fly as situations demand. Trouble is, I am completely lost when it comes to creating new characters and developing them into well-trained, specialized pilots. I diverge into strange paths and ideas. I miss vital skills, I cross train too early. Kind of like most people between 3-10 mil SP.
In short, I cannot create this kind of character. I've tried three times, and end up making them rather underwhelming. I'm a patient man. I can wait for my character to develop. I just need the roadmap to get there.
Originally by: Solariian Lytebringer
Just out of curiosty, but is ther eany reason why you haven't looked into just acquiring the kind of character you are looking for out of the marketplace forum?
>snip<
Anyway, just my .02 isk. I'll probably still play around with Evemon for you. I need moar money.
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Runewitch
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.07.09 18:06:00 -
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To everyone that expressed even lukewarm interest in possibly pursuing this task, a small, no-frills gratuity should be blinking in your wallet. Just to show my seriousness in this endeavor.
No word yet from Chribba, will advise if anything develops unless anyone has a better suggestion?
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.07.09 19:13:00 -
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Is this good enough?
You dont know how hard it is to waste 3 years away on evemon...
The learning skills I have in that plan are only the ones needed to do the current skills faster, none other are added. Some of the support skills I dont have exactly perfect in order and such as I myself would have trained them, but I feel that overall it is an excellent compilation of skills queued up.
(if there are no other submissions, can I just have the 500m? You have 7 billion in your wallet... )
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Herschel Yamamoto
Bloodmoney Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.07.09 19:17:00 -
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Originally by: Runewitch
To everyone that expressed even lukewarm interest in possibly pursuing this task, a small, no-frills gratuity should be blinking in your wallet. Just to show my seriousness in this endeavor.
No word yet from Chribba, will advise if anything develops unless anyone has a better suggestion?
If you're willing to give away that kind of money as a thank-you for merely expressing interest(and I'll vouch for the fact that you did), I don't think we need Chribba to verify that you're willing to turn over the rest of it in a month. You may want to pick a single judge to adjudicate who gets the money, but I now feel quite confident that you'll give it to somebody.
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Runewitch
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.07.09 20:06:00 -
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Hmm, looks nice, the only problem is EveMon shows as skills defaulted with a Priority of 3. Maybe it doesn't come through properly with the XML file? The skills themselves aren't too difficult to load in, unfortunately its the order to train them where I tend to fall short...
Originally by: Lance Fighter
Is this good enough?
You dont know how hard it is to waste 3 years away on evemon...
The learning skills I have in that plan are only the ones needed to do the current skills faster, none other are added. Some of the support skills I dont have exactly perfect in order and such as I myself would have trained them, but I feel that overall it is an excellent compilation of skills queued up.
(if there are no other submissions, can I just have the 500m? You have 7 billion in your wallet... )
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.07.09 20:15:00 -
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wait... are you saying it doesnt save the order of them? thats stupid... yea I dont muck around with the priorities much, it just doesnt matter that much to me.
One moment, ill upload a text file and a emp file, maybe those will work better?
Second try hope this one works.
Originally by: Runewitch
Hmm, looks nice, the only problem is EveMon shows as skills defaulted with a Priority of 3. Maybe it doesn't come through properly with the XML file? The skills themselves aren't too difficult to load in, unfortunately its the order to train them where I tend to fall short...
Originally by: Lance Fighter
Is this good enough?
You dont know how hard it is to waste 3 years away on evemon...
The learning skills I have in that plan are only the ones needed to do the current skills faster, none other are added. Some of the support skills I dont have exactly perfect in order and such as I myself would have trained them, but I feel that overall it is an excellent compilation of skills queued up.
(if there are no other submissions, can I just have the 500m? You have 7 billion in your wallet... )
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Herschel Yamamoto
Bloodmoney Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.07.09 20:25:00 -
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Originally by: Lance Fighter
wait... are you saying it doesnt save the order of them? thats stupid... yea I dont muck around with the priorities much, it just doesnt matter that much to me.
One moment, ill upload a text file and a emp file, maybe those will work better?
Second try hope this one works.
Originally by: Runewitch
Hmm, looks nice, the only problem is EveMon shows as skills defaulted with a Priority of 3. Maybe it doesn't come through properly with the XML file? The skills themselves aren't too difficult to load in, unfortunately its the order to train them where I tend to fall short...
Originally by: Lance Fighter
Is this good enough?
You dont know how hard it is to waste 3 years away on evemon...
The learning skills I have in that plan are only the ones needed to do the current skills faster, none other are added. Some of the support skills I dont have exactly perfect in order and such as I myself would have trained them, but I feel that overall it is an excellent compilation of skills queued up.
(if there are no other submissions, can I just have the 500m? You have 7 billion in your wallet... )
It looks like it saved the order on them - you trained up learnings first, followed by interceptors? And Command Ships 5 is the very last skill in the plan? That's what I got when I downloaded your first plan posted.
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.07.09 20:33:00 -
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yea that sounds about right. CS 5 i put there because i needed a long skill to make it past the 3 year mark ^^
Btw, the jump drive op skills are for the black ops, not carriers and such.
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Runewitch
Gallente
Legion Federation
The Black Isle
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Posted - 2008.07.09 20:54:00 -
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Got it. Ty Lance, I'll send you a gratuity for getting the first entry in as well. We'll see in a few weeks if you win, neh?
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.07.09 21:53:00 -
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Thanks :)
They do take quite a while to complete, I may even redo mine with a bit more comprehensiveness.
As a general overview (in case you didnt figure it out yet), ill walk you through the basics
Learning skills
interceptor skills
Assault frigate skills
*other skills i thought you might need*
HAC skills
*more random skills*
I think i started training cald stuff here
Battleships for both races, along with supporting weapons skills (gallente then caldari)
More misc skills
Logistics skills
Command ships i think?
Insane command ship skills (siege and infomation warfare links for the NH/eos)
Some more random skills
Battleship skills to 5
t2 large weapons/cruise/torp
More random skills
marauders
Black ops
Final set of skills
CS 5, for fun ^^
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Amalinze Tehkat
VITOC
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Posted - 2008.07.10 15:09:00 -
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I just saw this post...I'll see what I can come up with. It may be a little while though; 3 years is a lot to plan  |
Jint Hikaru
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Posted - 2008.07.10 16:04:00 -
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I would love to get in on this, and make a bit of money. However I am still learning this sort of thing myself. As a fairly new player and somewhat carebear (at the moment). However I am very interested in the outcome as I am considering an alt PVP char.
Early things to think about if you are roaming in small gangs. Getting skills to web targets is realy fast, then you are able to be of use to the gang. After that, burn learning skills.
I may try have have a play with Evemon, but I think there already people with far greater knowledge than me working on this.
GL with your new Char!
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Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager
"I've got a couple of Strippers on my ship... and they just love to dance!"
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Solariian Lytebringer
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.07.10 16:51:00 -
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Hey there, had some down time at work yesterday and threw this together.
Originally by: Jenna Shame
I think it takes 12 minutes to send a command to the mars rovers, so basically EvE might as well have their servers on Mars when it comes to fleet combat.
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VariableK
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Posted - 2008.07.10 17:05:00 -
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Hello everyone!
I'll get to the point...This is my first post here on the forums! But, I read them just about every day. My character has about 16 mill sp so I have some experience. Not much with EVEMON but I downloaded and am gonna try it out.
Just thought this was a really interesting post and haven't seen one like it before.
Thanks
VK
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Herschel Yamamoto
Bloodmoney Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.07.10 17:06:00 -
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Edited by: Herschel Yamamoto on 10/07/2008 17:14:51
I've been spending the last 20 minutes trying to upload my plan to Eve Files, but it won't accept either my .emp or my .ace upload - it says they're invalid files, and that they're of the type "application/octet stream". Anyone know what I'm doing wrong? Also, Rune, I can toss you an email with the plan if you'd like to see it sooner.
Edit: Apparently it only likes .zip files. In any case, I've managed to upload it, and it's available here. Make sure you have notes on when you look at it in EveMon - I've annotated it heavily, and the first note is my writeup of the whole plan.
Note that I've sorted the plan into eight "batches", because I don't have enough mental stack space to juggle 500+ skills into the exactly appropriate order over three and a half years. A few of them might be in slightly wrong order as well, since EveMon gets really laggy on a plan this size, but I did go through and check for any such errors, so there shouldn't be many. It might not be strictly optimal, but it should be pretty good. Also, I may go through at some point later on and amend it a bit, or maybe add some indicative ship fits at various points, but I'm done for now.
Anyways, here's the fundamental thought processes of my plan:
Right now, you can fly any Gallente frigate as a tackler with some effectiveness, as well as a Vexor or even a Myrmidon when a larger ship is warranted.
Since you are currently capable of flying some number of reasonable ships, I see no great need to delay learning skills. Thus, the plan is to finish all useful(non-Charisma) learnings by August 15. There are a couple Charisma skills in there too, but they serve to make the useful parts of the plan shorter.
Following that, increase proficiency with the ships you currently have, focusing on the Vexor and the Incursus. This section of the plan is heavy on skills applicable to all ships - HP and capacitor boosts, Drone Interfacing, Navigation, MicroWarpdrives, and so on. This phase of the plan finishes on October 3.
With most of the baseline supports out of the way, you can start expanding your ships flown aggressively. The first stop on the plan is T2 frigates, since they're the easiest direction to expand in as well as being one of the more valuable ones. Assault ships are not particularly valuable, but you have all the requisites already, so they come first. After that are Interceptors, of course. Next up come the Myrmidon, Thorax and Brutix, followed by the Ishtar and Deimos, and then the first move to Caldari for the Blackbird, Moa, and Ferox. This phase of the plan, including the EWar skills to use the Blackbird properly, takes you through until February 15, 2009.
Another round of support skills gives you perfect HP, perfect capacitor, full use of all relevant rigs, sensor disruptors, overheating, jump clones, and most implants. It also greatly improves your skills with drones and turrets. This round ends on May 20, 2009.
At this point, almost a year in, you've got over 15 million SP, and very good skills with Gallente frigate-class and cruiser-class ships, topping out with HACs and BCs. You've also gotten to the verge of several new ships - Drakes and all the Gallente battleships, most notably. It's time for another expansion of the ships you can fly, so I'm going to grab battleships, then the Drake(backfilling basic missile skills), then the Crow, then head up the CovOps/EAS/Recon tree. Once you have Caldari Cruiser 5, for their HACs and recons, you can also skill into the Basilisk, which is a quality logistics ship(unlike the Oneiros, which is mediocre). Caldari battleships are freebies, since you've already got all the weapons, so we'll grab those too(and torpedoes, just in case you want to fit the Raven a bit differently). You finish that batch on September 27, 2009.
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Herschel Yamamoto
Bloodmoney Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.07.10 17:15:00 -
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(continued from above)
You have decent missile skills, but not great, and your drone and turret skills are starting to look a bit shabby. Thus, a whole pile of weapon support skills are in order. At the end of this phase, all the good support skills for drones, turrets, and missiles will be at 5, and all the bad ones will be at 4, and you get T2 versions of all non-mining drones. This is a long batch, lasting until June 13, 2010, but it means you'll never again have to touch weapon support skills for any weapon in the game.
Again, back to ships. You've got everything but heavy interdictors, command ships, and marauders(I exclude interdictors, since it sounds like you're not planning to head to 0.0, and black ops, because they're difficult to get into and unlikely to be useful to you even if they do get buffed), and good skills in everything you do have. Some of the weapon skills could use work too. Thus you'll get, in order, HICs, T2 large hybrids, T2 missiles of all classes, command ships, and marauders. Due to the sudden appearance of Charisma-based skills in the form of Leadership, we'll also finally finish the learning tree at this point, bringing in the Charisma skills. You also mentioned the desire to fly Transport Ships, though I'm not sure why, so I'll give you Transports of the Gallente variety. Again, we're getting into large batches here, and this one will finish on June 5, 2011, giving you access to every ship you want to be able to fly.
The last batch of skills is focused on leadership skills, to supplement your newfound command ship skills - specifically for the Vulture, but you'll be able to use all of them, as well as give perfect gang-boost bonuses. You get all Warfare Specialist skills to 4, as well as Wing Command 4, just in case your gang gets big. After that, you get a Siege Warfare Mindlink, to make your Vulture crazy-good(ignoring stacking penalties it'll nearly double the size of an active shield tank in gang). After that, a final cleanup of support skills - you gain the ability to use combat boosters, T2 rigs, and perfect EANMs. Thus finishes the plan in its entirety on January 17, 2012, or three and a half years from now.
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Runewitch
Gallente
Legion Federation
The Black Isle
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Posted - 2008.07.11 03:57:00 -
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I'm flattered by the work you have all put in. Thank you so much, we have a bona-fide competition here. I'm simply staggered at how long this must have taken; I hope the process is enjoyable and not too taxing or frustrating.
Fantastic summary Herschel. Beyond what was expected by any length. Very helpful if this is a path others wish to develop their characters. Thanks :)
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