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Reginvalt
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Posted - 2008.07.07 11:09:00 -
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Edited by: Reginvalt on 07/07/2008 11:10:05 I have some questions about taranis tactics in solo, especially 1 vs 1 with other ceptors.
Blasteranis It's slow and blasters work only on 5km distance or closer. How can i web a faster inty? How can i reach 5km distance (5km under web)? Do I need to be more agile than the enemy, use imps/nozzle joints rigs (i can't afford polys)?
Railtaranis Do rails hit orbiting inties (crows/saders) outside web range? Is it easier to fight against sader on a rail or blaster ranis?
I know I can find all answers through real fights, but I don't want to loose too much isk learning. Sry for my english, thank you ` |
Hinatu
Caldari Academy of Decadence
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Posted - 2008.07.07 11:25:00 -
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Well... If you dont want to loose isk, ask some of your friend sor other players and fight on the testserver ;)
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Grimpak
Gallente Trinity Nova Trinity Nova Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.07 11:29:00 -
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the answer for all your taranis problems is: manual maneuvering, overheating (and packing nanite paste), and patience. lots of it. ---
Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.
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Caelum Dominus
Invicta.
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Posted - 2008.07.07 11:43:00 -
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Never hesitate. If you hesitate in a Taranis, you'll lose a lot of ships. That is all.
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Fifi LeFume
No Trademark The OSS
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Posted - 2008.07.07 11:53:00 -
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Edited by: Fifi LeFume on 07/07/2008 11:53:58 I dont want to seem like im bragging, but i believe i have decent experience in 1 v 1'ing other intys:
First my setup: 3x small ion blaster ii's, offline small nos 1x 1m mwd ii, 1x warp disruptor ii, 1x stasis webifier ii 2x Overdrive ii, 1x dc ii
NINJA EDIT: 2x WARRIOR ii's (not hob gobs my bad)
1x aux thrus rig 1x low friction rig
with my skills and no implants i got 5.4 before overload, 7 smtg with it.
It roasts crows, saders, and pretty much any other inty.
I forgo any damage mod because even w/o them you're still a heavy hitter.
If the inty is slower than me, i charge at it, overload web, f1-f3.
If its a crusader or crow that stays out of webrange, you gotta manually orbit until they get within 13km of you. This isnt as hard as it seems as with overload you go 7km/s+.
You gotta catch them on an orbit angle that makes them come toward you. This works best if you fly away in a straight line for a few short seconds, then re-hit approach when you see them coming around. You dont have to be near them long, even 1 sec that he is below 13km, inertia will carry him deeper in to your webrange.
Crusaders dont have webs so they will die the moment they get into your webrange (its getting them into webrange thats the hardest, as many tout the DHP with TE and optimal rig setups)
Crows are even easier as they cant damage you. Even if they have a web, by the time they activate it it will be too late (provided you have null s loaded and sic drones on em).
IMHO the crusader is the only inty that poses a challenge. The others you should win 99% of the time.
In dog fighting in a ranis, i believe speed beats damage mod (hence the 2 OD's). a 5.4km/s ranis before overload should allow you to catch most t2 inty's.
TBH the ranis is the best anti-inty ceptor out there. The crusader is a close second. OFC pilot skill has alot to do with it and it depends on the setup and starting situation. But for me, ranis all the way.
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Thraxon
Black-Sun-Inventions Pitch Black Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.07 11:55:00 -
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Yup, navigate manually, just remember that once you have another inty in webrange it will die very very fast.
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Fifi LeFume
No Trademark The OSS
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Posted - 2008.07.07 11:58:00 -
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Oh, and i dont care what you use it for. Blasterranis > railranis :p
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Caelum Dominus
Invicta.
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Posted - 2008.07.07 13:25:00 -
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If you find a Crusader to be a challenge in a Taranis, you don't know how to fly the ship. Also, rigs are not required.
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Dheorl
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.07.07 14:21:00 -
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Originally by: Fifi LeFume
Crows are even easier as they cant damage you. Even if they have a web, by the time they activate it it will be too late (provided you have null s loaded and sic drones on em).
Now find a decent crow pilot and try that trick instead of one of the people with a rubbish standard missile setup who just click orbit.
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Thraxon
Black-Sun-Inventions Pitch Black Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.07 14:32:00 -
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Edited by: Thraxon on 07/07/2008 14:32:18 The teamwork crow will own all inties anyway
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=805176
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Frankinator
E-Thugz
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Posted - 2008.07.07 14:32:00 -
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I truly dont understand people's need to fit overdrives on a Blaster-ranis... The Taranis is NEVER going to be fast and most Crows and Saders will outrun you even with speed mods on. Just accept the fact that you are slow and think outside the box. For Blaster-Ranises you want to focus on tank and damage. A few setups:
Hi: 3x Neutron II Mid: 1x MWD, 2x Web Low: 1x MAPC, 1x Mag Stab II, 1x Dmg Control 2x Warrior IIs
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Hi: 3x Ion II Mid: 1x MWD, 1x Scram, 1x Web Low: 2x MAPC, 1x 400mm Rolled Tungsten plate 2x Warrior IIs
I prefer the 2nd setup as I still get close to 200 dps and with my skills and a few implants, I get about 2400 armor HP.
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Dheorl
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.07.07 14:37:00 -
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Edited by: Dheorl on 07/07/2008 14:45:26 Tbh I think the best blaster ranis setup is
3xIon
MWD Disruptor Web
OD DC MFS
Got great hp for an inty and with heat it isn't that slow.
P.S. Fit something offline in that last high and if you want rigs then either speed or damage.
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Caelum Dominus
Invicta.
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Posted - 2008.07.07 14:43:00 -
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Originally by: Dheorl Tbh I think the best blaster ranis setup is
3xIon
MWD Disruptor Web
OD DC MFS
Got great hp for an inty and with heat it isn't that slow.
This.
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goodby4u
Logistic Technologies Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.07.07 14:53:00 -
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Originally by: Reginvalt Edited by: Reginvalt on 07/07/2008 11:10:05 I have some questions about taranis tactics in solo, especially 1 vs 1 with other ceptors.
Blasteranis It's slow and blasters work only on 5km distance or closer. How can i web a faster inty? How can i reach 5km distance (5km under web)? Do I need to be more agile than the enemy, use imps/nozzle joints rigs (i can't afford polys)?
Railtaranis Do rails hit orbiting inties (crows/saders) outside web range? Is it easier to fight against sader on a rail or blaster ranis?
I know I can find all answers through real fights, but I don't want to loose too much isk learning. Sry for my english, thank you
Overheat for the speed issue, aswell as the posts above.
Rails? Ive seen them hit but I would guess the answer is normally a no... But I dont fly one.
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Spectre3353
Gallente The Python Cartel
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Posted - 2008.07.07 16:03:00 -
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Originally by: Caelum Dominus
Originally by: Dheorl Tbh I think the best blaster ranis setup is
3xIon
MWD Disruptor Web
OD DC MFS
Got great hp for an inty and with heat it isn't that slow.
This.
Thirded. ----- http://evenewb.blogspot.com/
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Suitonia
Gallente interimo
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Posted - 2008.07.07 22:37:00 -
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Originally by: Dheorl Edited by: Dheorl on 07/07/2008 14:45:26 Tbh I think the best blaster ranis setup is
3xIon
MWD Disruptor Web
OD DC MFS
Got great hp for an inty and with heat it isn't that slow.
P.S. Fit something offline in that last high and if you want rigs then either speed or damage.
This is pretty much the optimal Taranis fit for blasters imo. If you want a bit more gank switch to named damage control (Psuedoelectron), fleeting web and faint disruptor and throw on a second MFSII for the ODII. It's a bit slower but it rips things to shreds. Has the potential to break ratting bs tanks. http://gallente.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=10202
Personally I prefer hybrid damage rigs over speed rigs, as they remove some of your buffer. But thats just my preferance. ---
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