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Imperator Jora'h
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Posted - 2008.07.07 15:29:00 -
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Sure, the "ugly American" tourist is a cultural meme pretty much everywhere. But seems Americans have shed that image (in reality even if people still believe it).
Correct answer: The French
Quote: According to a recent international survey, the French are now considered the most obnoxious tourists from European nations, and behind only Indians and the last-place Chinese as the worst among all countries worldwide. And it's not only the rest of the world that have a gripe with the Gallic attitude: the French also finished second to last among nations ranking the popularity of their own tourists who vacation at home.
SOURCE: Most Obnoxious Tourists
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Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2008.07.07 15:33:00 -
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Last I was out and about the ones pestering me the most were russians and israelis.
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goodby4u
Logistic Technologies Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.07.07 15:40:00 -
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Originally by: Imperator Jora'h Edited by: Imperator Jora''h on 07/07/2008 15:38:42 Sure, the "ugly American" tourist is a cultural meme pretty much everywhere. But seems Americans have shed that image to some extent (in reality even if people still believe it).
Correct answer: The French
Quote: According to a recent international survey, the French are now considered the most obnoxious tourists from European nations, and behind only Indians and the last-place Chinese as the worst among all countries worldwide. And it's not only the rest of the world that have a gripe with the Gallic attitude: the French also finished second to last among nations ranking the popularity of their own tourists who vacation at home.
SOURCE: Most Obnoxious Tourists
Do they dress like human tanks in hawaiian shirts aswell?
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Imperator Jora'h
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Posted - 2008.07.07 15:45:00 -
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Originally by: goodby4u Do they dress like human tanks in hawaiian shirts aswell?
Apparently the French are still ranked highly as among the best dressed according to the article (behind Italians). They did not say where American's ranked there.
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Isiskhan
Gnostic Misanthropy
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Posted - 2008.07.07 16:08:00 -
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The article talks about tourists and their issues of dealing with foreign languages in foreign nations... but how about tourists having issues with speaking their own language while visiting their own country?
It happened to me twice while vacationing in southern Tenerife (Canary islands, Spain): I entered a shop / restaurant and they didn't speak Spanish, only English. But then, that's southern Tenerife, the newest de-facto British colony
Apparently there's a similar situation in some eastern part of Mallorca, but with Germans: I've heard there's so many of them there they've even formed their own political party.
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Chris Bartlett
Caldari shadow and flame Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.07 20:04:00 -
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I'm English.
Course i knew it was the French :P we hate the bastards
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Imperator Jora'h
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Posted - 2008.07.07 20:11:00 -
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Originally by: Isiskhan The article talks about tourists and their issues of dealing with foreign languages in foreign nations... but how about tourists having issues with speaking their own language while visiting their own country?
It happened to me twice while vacationing in southern Tenerife (Canary islands, Spain): I entered a shop / restaurant and they didn't speak Spanish, only English. But then, that's southern Tenerife, the newest de-facto British colony
Apparently there's a similar situation in some eastern part of Mallorca, but with Germans: I've heard there's so many of them there they've even formed their own political party.
Happens in some places in the US too. Once in awhile I will end up in an area where no one speaks English. Kind of weird but whatever.
What is REALLY weird is when they are speaking English words and you still have no clue what is being said. Some areas Louisiana have this issue. I hear English words but not a clue what they are saying. You can also get this in Pennsylvania where some few people speak "Pennsylvania Dutch". They mess up the language in weird ways. My favorite example of that is they'll say, "Throw the horse over the fence some hay."
What I hear, "Throw a horse over the fence at the hay."
After a minute of parsing I figure they meant, "Throw the horse, which is over the fence, some hay." -------------------------------------------------- "Of course," said my grandfather, pulling a gun from his belt as he stepped from the Time Machine, "there's no paradox if I shoot you!"
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Wilko1776
Minmatar An Eye For An Eye Digital Renegades
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Posted - 2008.07.07 20:13:00 -
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surely child sex tourists is the correct answer? or do you all condone such behaviour.....i'm not surprised hydra alliance does but i'd expect better from the rest of you
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Micheal Dietrich
Caldari Terradyne Networks
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Posted - 2008.07.07 20:19:00 -
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I like the chinese tourists myself. Takes a half hour to explain to them where something is but it's great when you get the group OOOOOOOOOOOOH!
Originally by: Calvin Firenze ****ing filter
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Chris Bartlett
Caldari shadow and flame Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.07 20:20:00 -
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Originally by: Wilko1776 surely child sex tourists is the correct answer? or do you all condone such behaviour.....i'm not surprised hydra alliance does but i'd expect better from the rest of you
WUT YOU SAYIN BOUT MAH ALLIANCE, FOO'?
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F'nog
Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Celestial Industrial Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.08 05:43:00 -
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Hell, I've known this for 25 years. Ever since I visited the lovely UK and the French tourists were always pushing ahead of us in lines and being general asses.
And don't even get me started on visiting there. You say, "Bonjour" and they respond, "Hello, how can I help you?" or "What do you want?"
Go to Italy and say, "Buon giorno," and they're all, "BUON GIORNO! [let me give you a kiss and some pasta, maybe a little Chianti?]. Now that's a friendly people.
Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari
F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
Originally by: Chribba Go F'nog! You're a hero! Not a Zero! /me bows
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Slade Trillgon
Siorai Iontach Brotherhood of the Spider
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Posted - 2008.07.08 17:30:00 -
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If you have seen the movie "Waiting" then you may know what I am going to write about.
I have many friends that have and still work in the resturant buisness and it seems to be a general consensus that if you get a table that has tourists from another country that you are more likely to be given a shitty tip as opposed to the typical individual from the States. This has not been associated with any one single nationality, it just seems to be a general consensus. This also could be from many US citizens not being comfortable around forigne languages, thus they end up giving inferior service due to lack of communication, but that is up for discussion.
I ask the following question because I have seen a few episodes of the TV reality show "The Amazing Race" were certain individuals did not represent me or other US citizens very positively.
What I want to know is do US citizens typically tip well, average, or below average when they are abroad? This is a generalized question unless, you the reader, have extensive background in the service industry.
Adendum: I can honestly say the worst stories about the worst customers that my friends have had to deal with are from the States. One being the infamous Jerry Falwell.
Slade
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Malcanis
We are Legend
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Posted - 2008.07.08 17:50:00 -
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Originally by: Slade Trillgon If you have seen the movie "Waiting" then you may know what I am going to write about.
I have many friends that have and still work in the resturant buisness and it seems to be a general consensus that if you get a table that has tourists from another country that you are more likely to be given a shitty tip as opposed to the typical individual from the States. This has not been associated with any one single nationality, it just seems to be a general consensus. This also could be from many US citizens not being comfortable around forigne languages, thus they end up giving inferior service due to lack of communication, but that is up for discussion.
I ask the following question because I have seen a few episodes of the TV reality show "The Amazing Race" were certain individuals did not represent me or other US citizens very positively.
What I want to know is do US citizens typically tip well, average, or below average when they are abroad? This is a generalized question unless, you the reader, have extensive background in the service industry.
Adendum: I can honestly say the worst stories about the worst customers that my friends have had to deal with are from the States. One being the infamous Jerry Falwell.
Slade
All I can say is that I used to do some bar work and trying to explain to Americans that in the UK, it is NOT mandatory to tip, and that if you are going to do so then just leaving it on the bar is at best careless and at worst rude...
Ah well bless their little hearts. They mean well.
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.08 18:07:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
All I can say is that I used to do some bar work and trying to explain to Americans that in the UK, it is NOT mandatory to tip, and that if you are going to do so then just leaving it on the bar is at best careless and at worst rude...
Ah well bless their little hearts. They mean well.
Tipping is obviously a bigger thing in the US than in the UK, in part because of the minimum wage. In Britain, the minimum wage is some $10 or so (around ú5, depending on your age), while in the US it is federally $5.85/ú2.90 (higher in some states). Tipping in America is important because the person serving you may be depending on those tips for a decent living; in the UK, they're pretty much guaranteed a decent living no matter what. ------
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich You can even get a midget with a camera to sit on the floorboard.
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Slade Trillgon
Siorai Iontach Brotherhood of the Spider
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Posted - 2008.07.08 18:32:00 -
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Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 08/07/2008 18:32:09
Originally by: Malcanis
All I can say is that I used to do some bar work and trying to explain to Americans that in the UK, it is NOT mandatory to tip, and that if you are going to do so then just leaving it on the bar is at best careless and at worst rude...
Ah well bless their little hearts. They mean well.
Well that is good to know if I ever make it to the UK. Now I need to know about some of the other European countries, because if this is similar in most of Europe that may explain why the European tourist do not tip well or at all. I will stop with that.
Slade
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Ravin Abai
Amarr Cruoris Seraphim
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Posted - 2008.07.08 18:36:00 -
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I live in Miami, arguably one of the cities in the U.S. with one of the highest numbers of foreign visitors and residents.
I can say with some degree of confidence, that many (not all!) of the South American people that live and vacation here are some of the most rude and arrogant people I have ever met.
This might have more to do with their socio-economic status (they are all rich) than where they are from, but I know plenty of very wealthy Cubans, Mexicans, and other Caribbean and Central American people who are a lot more pleasant and down to Earth than many of the South American people I meet. The exception to this "rude South American rule" are Brazilians, who imo are very fun to be around and very nice people.
Any South Americans or other people familiar with what I'm saying care to comment?
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Slade Trillgon
Siorai Iontach Brotherhood of the Spider
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Posted - 2008.07.08 18:41:00 -
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Originally by: Ravin Abai I live in Miami, arguably one of the cities in the U.S. with one of the highest numbers of foreign visitors and residents.
I can say with some degree of confidence, that many (not all!) of the South American people that live and vacation here are some of the most rude and arrogant people I have ever met.
This might have more to do with their socio-economic status (they are all rich) than where they are from, but I know plenty of very wealthy Cubans, Mexicans, and other Caribbean and Central American people who are a lot more pleasant and down to Earth than many of the South American people I meet. The exception to this "rude South American rule" are Brazilians, who imo are very fun to be around and very nice people.
Any South Americans or other people familiar with what I'm saying care to comment?
Yes those Brazilians know how to party!!! I spent 4 years in Deerfield beach so I can pretty much confirm that this attitude is present in the elitist South Americans in South Florida.
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Imperator Jora'h
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Posted - 2008.07.08 18:54:00 -
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I wonder how much of this comes down to basic cultural differences as opposed to outright rudeness.
For instance Japanese are used to living in crowded conditions (think of their commuter trains where guys literally push people on the train to fill it to the brim). Americans are very much into their personal space (that invisible forcefield around you that no one is supposed to violate). An American could easily perceive a Japanese person crowding them as rude whereas the Japanese person probably wouldn't think twice about it.
I have read funny stories where cultures clash in innocent and non-obvious ways (a gesture that may be considered rude one place but not another). I know "When in Rome do as the Romans do" and a tourist should try to acquaint themselves with local customs but it is not always easily remembered when you just fall back to lifelong habits.
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Malcanis
We are Legend
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Posted - 2008.07.08 18:55:00 -
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Originally by: Slade Trillgon Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 08/07/2008 18:32:09
Originally by: Malcanis
All I can say is that I used to do some bar work and trying to explain to Americans that in the UK, it is NOT mandatory to tip, and that if you are going to do so then just leaving it on the bar is at best careless and at worst rude...
Ah well bless their little hearts. They mean well.
Well that is good to know if I ever make it to the UK. Now I need to know about some of the other European countries, because if this is similar in most of Europe that may explain why the European tourist do not tip well or at all. I will stop with that.
Slade
The polite way to tip the bar staff in England is to say "and get one for yourself if you like". And it's really not required or expected; it's something you'd do if the barman/woman did something particularly helpful, of you've been chatting with them for a little while. Basically, it's a way ofgiving a tip but treating them as a friend. Doing this more than once or twice is basically indicating a... personal interest, btw.
Alternatively "keep the change" is OK but a little less personal. The change shouldn't be more than the price of a drink. Doing this every time is the sign of a flash git who thinks it's cool to show off:- which is why English people don't do it.
Just leaving the change on the bar... well just don't. It's rude.
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Imperator Jora'h
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Posted - 2008.07.08 19:06:00 -
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Edited by: Imperator Jora''h on 08/07/2008 19:10:33
Originally by: Malcanis The change shouldn't be more than the price of a drink. Doing this every time is the sign of a flash git who thinks it's cool to show off:- which is why English people don't do it.
Just leaving the change on the bar... well just don't. It's rude.
Leaving someone money that is above and beyond the payment is rude? (Not getting that one)
And one would hope a Brit would be tolerant and understanding of an American tipping every drink as not being a show off but just what Americans do. Since it is free money to the bartender/wait staff again I can hardly see where the complaint would be. I can see them thinking the American is dumb wasting their money that way and not being aware of how to tip there but not rude and it is to the bartender's benefit.
Of course in the US the reverse is not true since the bartender pretty much lives on tips so a Brit leaving a handful of change on the table is seen as rude and stiffing your server.
I have to admit when I was in Europe I struggled with not tipping. I worked as a bus boy then a waiter long ago and I am just habituated to it. If the wait staff rendered good service I tip.
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Isiskhan
Gnostic Misanthropy
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Posted - 2008.07.08 19:26:00 -
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Originally by: Slade Trillgon Well that is good to know if I ever make it to the UK. Now I need to know about some of the other European countries, because if this is similar in most of Europe that may explain why the European tourist do not tip well or at all. I will stop with that.
Yes, that's the general case in European countries. Here in Spain tipping is 5%, and then not seen as "mandatory" as it is in the US, since waiters are paid a higher salary and not expected to make up for it with tips.
In the US you as a customer are effectively paying for part of the waiter's wages, whereas over here the tip is just meant as a little reward for good service. That explains why European tourists tend to undertip when they go over there.
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Wieselflinke
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Posted - 2008.07.08 19:36:00 -
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Originally by: Imperator Jora'h Edited by: Imperator Jora''h on 07/07/2008 15:38:42 Sure, the "ugly American" tourist is a cultural meme pretty much everywhere. But seems Americans have shed that image to some extent (in reality even if people still believe it).
Correct answer: The French
Quote: the French are now considered the most obnoxious tourists from European nations
Well there's your problem, you can't read...
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Imperator Jora'h
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Posted - 2008.07.08 19:48:00 -
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Originally by: Wieselflinke
Originally by: Imperator Jora'h Edited by: Imperator Jora''h on 07/07/2008 15:38:42 Sure, the "ugly American" tourist is a cultural meme pretty much everywhere. But seems Americans have shed that image to some extent (in reality even if people still believe it).
Correct answer: The French
Quote: the French are now considered the most obnoxious tourists from European nations
Well there's your problem, you can't read...
Finish the quote from the article...
"...and behind only Indians and the last-place Chinese as the worst among all countries worldwide." -------------------------------------------------- "Of course," said my grandfather, pulling a gun from his belt as he stepped from the Time Machine, "there's no paradox if I shoot you!"
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Malcanis
We are Legend
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Posted - 2008.07.08 20:48:00 -
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Originally by: Imperator Jora'h Edited by: Imperator Jora''h on 08/07/2008 19:10:33
Originally by: Malcanis The change shouldn't be more than the price of a drink. Doing this every time is the sign of a flash git who thinks it's cool to show off:- which is why English people don't do it.
Just leaving the change on the bar... well just don't. It's rude.
Leaving someone money that is above and beyond the payment is rude? (Not getting that one)
And one would hope a Brit would be tolerant and understanding of an American tipping every drink as not being a show off but just what Americans do. Since it is free money to the bartender/wait staff again I can hardly see where the complaint would be. I can see them thinking the American is dumb wasting their money that way and not being aware of how to tip there but not rude and it is to the bartender's benefit.
Of course in the US the reverse is not true since the bartender pretty much lives on tips so a Brit leaving a handful of change on the table is seen as rude and stiffing your server.
I have to admit when I was in Europe I struggled with not tipping. I worked as a bus boy then a waiter long ago and I am just habituated to it. If the wait staff rendered good service I tip.
Throwing your money about is considered vulgar here. It's like... trying to buy friends. Just don't. People might take your money, I guess, but they won't respect or like you, so all you're buying is their contempt or at best embarassment.
I might as well say, saying nice things to people is good, so what's the problem with me telling your woman she's hot 20x in an evening? Once is a compliment, 20x is hitting on her and disrespectful to you as well.
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Slade Trillgon
Siorai Iontach Brotherhood of the Spider
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Posted - 2008.07.08 20:55:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Imperator Jora'h Edited by: Imperator Jora''h on 08/07/2008 19:10:33
Originally by: Malcanis The change shouldn't be more than the price of a drink. Doing this every time is the sign of a flash git who thinks it's cool to show off:- which is why English people don't do it.
Just leaving the change on the bar... well just don't. It's rude.
Leaving someone money that is above and beyond the payment is rude? (Not getting that one)
And one would hope a Brit would be tolerant and understanding of an American tipping every drink as not being a show off but just what Americans do. Since it is free money to the bartender/wait staff again I can hardly see where the complaint would be. I can see them thinking the American is dumb wasting their money that way and not being aware of how to tip there but not rude and it is to the bartender's benefit.
Of course in the US the reverse is not true since the bartender pretty much lives on tips so a Brit leaving a handful of change on the table is seen as rude and stiffing your server.
I have to admit when I was in Europe I struggled with not tipping. I worked as a bus boy then a waiter long ago and I am just habituated to it. If the wait staff rendered good service I tip.
Throwing your money about is considered vulgar here. It's like... trying to buy friends. Just don't. People might take your money, I guess, but they won't respect or like you, so all you're buying is their contempt or at best embarassment.
I might as well say, saying nice things to people is good, so what's the problem with me telling your woman she's hot 20x in an evening? Once is a compliment, 20x is hitting on her and disrespectful to you as well.
This is why I like the forums here in EVE, I am learning new things
Slade
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.08 20:55:00 -
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Edited by: Patch86 on 08/07/2008 20:56:13
Originally by: Imperator Jora'h Edited by: Imperator Jora''h on 08/07/2008 19:10:33
Originally by: Malcanis The change shouldn't be more than the price of a drink. Doing this every time is the sign of a flash git who thinks it's cool to show off:- which is why English people don't do it.
Just leaving the change on the bar... well just don't. It's rude.
Leaving someone money that is above and beyond the payment is rude? (Not getting that one)
And one would hope a Brit would be tolerant and understanding of an American tipping every drink as not being a show off but just what Americans do. Since it is free money to the bartender/wait staff again I can hardly see where the complaint would be. I can see them thinking the American is dumb wasting their money that way and not being aware of how to tip there but not rude and it is to the bartender's benefit.
Of course in the US the reverse is not true since the bartender pretty much lives on tips so a Brit leaving a handful of change on the table is seen as rude and stiffing your server.
I have to admit when I was in Europe I struggled with not tipping. I worked as a bus boy then a waiter long ago and I am just habituated to it. If the wait staff rendered good service I tip.
Its all a matter of social nuances. What seems perfectly reasonable in some places seems rude in others.
Take the change on the bar thing. Thats definitely something that seems rude to my English mind. Leaving tips on a table after a meal, though, seems perfectly reasonable. Whats the distinction? Who knows? Leaving money on the bar seems mealy-mouthed, since you have to go right up to the bartender and give them money face to face; waiting until they've turned around and then leaving money on the side seems like you're making some sort of point. Maybe it's because it seems to establish a superiority, master-and-servant thing. That would be very much at odds with British pub culture, where you're literally a guest in someone else's "house", where the bar-staff are your hosts (completely unlike being a customer in a shop).
Similarly, giving a tip after every drink gives the impression that you're flaunting your cash, trying to show off to everyone; the bartenders will still probably be happy to take the extra money, but they'll be chalking you up as someone best to avoid outside of work. Equate it to someone coming up to you in the street, asking you for the time, then giving you some money for looking at your watch; you'd still be happy to take their money, but you'd be justified in thinking the person is being weird, and getting a bit uncomfortable around them.
But thats reading deep in to something that really has no point- exactly the same behaviour in many other countries wouldn't raise a second thought.
@Slade Trillgon: Here you go, knock yourself out! ------
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich You can even get a midget with a camera to sit on the floorboard.
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Slade Trillgon
Siorai Iontach Brotherhood of the Spider
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Posted - 2008.07.08 21:06:00 -
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Originally by: Patch86
@Slade Trillgon: Here you go, knock yourself out!
Hey that is not a quotable source
Just Kidding, never would have thought to look too wikipedia, but I guess if I had used google for that question I would have found it first.
Thanks 07
Slade
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Pwett
Minmatar QUANT Corp. QUANT Hegemony
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Posted - 2008.07.08 21:09:00 -
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Here in the States I always tip 20%. Why? Because I'm lazy and 10% is rude where as 15% is an extra step in math .
It's interesting to note the tipping rules in the UK. _______________ Pwett CEO, Founder, & Executor <Q> QUANT Hegemony
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pwnedgato
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Posted - 2008.07.08 21:17:00 -
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Waiters and such are actually usually paid below minimum wage because the government considers an average of 15% of a meal's price to be tipped and it is taxed as regular income.
As for the personal space thing yeah that is a cultural difference brought on by population density. I could never travel to any Japanese city since I am uncomfortable in just American and European cities. I like my personal space, I do not want you in it, I do not know you, in all likelihood if I got to know you I probably would not like you and so on.
Originally by: Crumplecorn These is a forum for this.
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Imperator Jora'h
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Posted - 2008.07.08 21:21:00 -
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Edited by: Imperator Jora''h on 08/07/2008 21:26:21 Edited by: Imperator Jora''h on 08/07/2008 21:21:14
Originally by: Malcanis I might as well say, saying nice things to people is good, so what's the problem with me telling your woman she's hot 20x in an evening? Once is a compliment, 20x is hitting on her and disrespectful to you as well.
Well...not the same thing. The woman is mine. My money is mine. If I choose to give either to you then I am a nice guy.
I kind of see what you are saying. I'd just think Brits would be used to their American counterparts enough to know this quirk and not be overly offended by it especially since you are literally profiting from it. It's not as if they are doing a bad thing to you and you know they are not flaunting their money...they are doing what is socially ingrained in them. Just like I doubt any Brit would get their panties in a twist when a Yank says "trunk" instead of "boot" and so on.
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.08 21:25:00 -
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Originally by: Imperator Jora'h
I kind of see what you are saying. I'd just think Brits would be used to their American counterparts enough to know this quirk and not be overly offended by it especially since you are literally profiting from it. It's not as if they are doing a bad thing to you. Just like I doubt any Brit would get their panties in a twist when a Yank says "trunk" instead of "boot" and so on.
That rather depends on how well acquainted your average pub bartender is with American tipping practices. I'll give you a hint- it's probably pretty similar to how well acquainted American bartenders are with British tipping practices.
When someone does something rude, most people just think "oh, how rude". They might think "oh, they're American, and that rude thing they did is actually a perfectly acceptable practice in the States, and their heart was in the right place after all, so I'm not that bothered". They're more likely to think the former though, and be left feeling a bit awkward. ------
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich You can even get a midget with a camera to sit on the floorboard.
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Imperator Jora'h
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Posted - 2008.07.08 21:36:00 -
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Edited by: Imperator Jora''h on 08/07/2008 21:40:56
Originally by: Patch86
That rather depends on how well acquainted your average pub bartender is with American tipping practices. I'll give you a hint- it's probably pretty similar to how well acquainted American bartenders are with British tipping practices.
I guess I expect people today to be generally more aware of social customs of others. At least with those countries with which they tend to have a fair amount of contact (e.g. I would not expect an American to be aware of local customs in the Ivory Coast off hand).
Long before I ever traveled to Europe I had heard of the tipping differences (friends and family or just stories you pick up). I never thought it was rude to tip but just optional.
I will say, unfortunately, that an American bartender, even if aware of British tipping customs, still would be put out for getting no tip since it is actually most of their income.
EDIT: Not arguing with you and I will keep it in mind for next time I visit GB. Just curious how it all works is all.
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Slade Trillgon
Siorai Iontach Brotherhood of the Spider
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Posted - 2008.07.08 21:45:00 -
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Originally by: Imperator Jora'h
Originally by: Patch86
That rather depends on how well acquainted your average pub bartender is with American tipping practices. I'll give you a hint- it's probably pretty similar to how well acquainted American bartenders are with British tipping practices.
I guess I expect people today to be generally more aware of social customs of others. At least with those countries with which they tend to have a fair amount of contact (e.g. I would not expect an American to be aware of local customs in the Ivory Coast off hand).
Long before I ever traveled to Europe I had heard of the tipping differences (friends and family or just stories you pick up). I never thought it was rude to tip but just optional.
I will say, unfortunately, that an American bartender, even if aware of British tipping customs, still would be put out for getting no tip since it is actually most of their income.
I will check with the bar tender for myself this evening. But as for me I was completely unaware of the tipping practices of our friends in European nations. I would also say that most people I know that have worked in the resturant buisness would be less offended of their small tips if they new that is how things worked in most of Europe. Well maybe not, but it may take a little of the sting out to know that they are not being tipped on purpose. At least they may be able to tactfully start a converstation about the situation and how tipping is necessary in the states.
Funny story though. I was a stage hand breaking down a Cirque De Sole (sp?) show one time. One of the janitors tried to drop some change in the hand of one of the European musicians that was exiting the stage area. I saw an utter look of disgust on the musicians face when the janitor did this. I thought the look was for the fact that the guy was only tipping him pocket change and saw this as an insult. Well it now looks like the musician would have been offended if the tip was a hundred dollars.
Learn things daily or stagnate.
Slade
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Isiskhan
Gnostic Misanthropy
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Posted - 2008.07.08 21:55:00 -
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Originally by: Imperator Jora'h Just like I doubt any Brit would get their panties in a twist when a Yank says "trunk" instead of "boot" and so on.
There's a particular word usage difference between Spaniards and Mexicans that seems to provide the latter with an endless source of amusement when around the former.
"Coger" means "To take" in Spanish, and while in Spain it is a word used as commonly as its English counterpart in the US/UK, in Mexico for whatever reason it became long time ago a slang word for "F*ck", and it's not usually used otherwise - they use the synonym "Tomar" instead.
So when a Spaniard goes to Mexico, even though many locals may be aware of the cultural difference regarding that word, they can't help but to contain a chuckle as the first thing their brains register are phrases such as "I'm off to f*ck the bus" or "Please f*ck that zucchini and pass it on to me".
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Imperator Jora'h
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Posted - 2008.07.08 21:56:00 -
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Originally by: Slade Trillgon I will check with the bar tender for myself this evening. But as for me I was completely unaware of the tipping practices of our friends in European nations. I would also say that most people I know that have worked in the resturant buisness would be less offended of their small tips if they new that is how things worked in most of Europe. Well maybe not, but it may take a little of the sting out to know that they are not being tipped on purpose. At least they may be able to tactfully start a converstation about the situation and how tipping is necessary in the states.
The airlines (or cruise ship) really should hand out a little card to all the passengers that detail a few of the local customs that might constitute a "gotcha" they would innocently step into otherwise. I know my parents got one going to Singapore but I suspect it was to avoid tossing tourists in jail for screwing up (e.g. chewing gum). Or make it a page in their airline magazine that is in every pocket. Need not be a lengthy list but could avoid a lot of simple misunderstandings.
-------------------------------------------------- "Of course," said my grandfather, pulling a gun from his belt as he stepped from the Time Machine, "there's no paradox if I shoot you!"
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Suze'Rain
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.07.09 00:31:00 -
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Personally, I'd say it's the americans who, every year, stand on Edinburgh's Princes' Street with a massive spur of fortified volcanic rock literally looming over their shoulder clearly visible to all, and yell "Hey! you! Where's Eeedinboro Castle?"....
*twitch* The Fringe is up next month. Oh, God.
*shudder*
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Isiskhan
Gnostic Misanthropy
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Posted - 2008.07.09 00:50:00 -
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Top tip for tourists coming to Madrid: aside from what's been mentioned already regarding tipping, if you ever go to the tapas terraces in the popular and very touristy central plazas of the city (such as Plaza Mayor), do try to look and act as little touristy as possible and do check your bill carefully.
The more touristy you appear in these particular places, the higher the possibility they may make an innocent mistake in your bill that will invariably be on their favour. If you happen to be Japanese, the odds rise up significantly too.
As far as I know that's only been reported in those particular places, outside of the obvious tourists traps I haven't heard about this peculiar phenomenon, though.
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Slade Trillgon
Siorai Iontach Brotherhood of the Spider
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Posted - 2008.07.09 02:56:00 -
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Originally by: Suze'Rain Personally, I'd say it's the americans who, every year, stand on Edinburgh's Princes' Street with a massive spur of fortified volcanic rock literally looming over their shoulder clearly visible to all, and yell "Hey! you! Where's Eeedinboro Castle?"....
*twitch* The Fringe is up next month. Oh, God.
*shudder*
My apologies for us "Americans" that do not know every historically significant place in Europe much less the pronunciation. I am pretty sure there are numerous places that I could take you in the states that you would have no clue the importance of the place and how to pronounce it. That does not qualify as obnoxious in my book.
P.S. You know that technically when all of us say Americans we are including all of Canada, Central America, and South America in our generalizations.
Slade
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pwnedgato
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Posted - 2008.07.09 02:58:00 -
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Yeah I'd bet at least 2 American Pesos that most of you Europeans in this thread don't know where the worlds largest ball of yarn is or even the largest nonstick frying pan.
Originally by: Crumplecorn These is a forum for this.
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Polonium 210
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Posted - 2008.07.09 06:00:00 -
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Originally by: Isiskhan Top tip for tourists coming to Madrid: aside from what's been mentioned already regarding tipping, if you ever go to the tapas terraces in the popular and very touristy central plazas of the city (such as Plaza Mayor), do try to look and act as little touristy as possible and do check your bill carefully.
Nothing gave him away as a foreiner - neither his unability to speak local language, nor his foreign currency, nor dragged along parachute...
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Suze'Rain
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.07.09 11:35:00 -
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Originally by: Slade Trillgon
My apologies for us "Americans" that do not know every historically significant place in Europe much less the pronunciation. I am pretty sure there are numerous places that I could take you in the states that you would have no clue the importance of the place and how to pronounce it. That does not qualify as obnoxious in my book.
P.S. You know that technically when all of us say Americans we are including all of Canada, Central America, and South America in our generalizations.
Slade
Ok, perhaps I should clarify. View from Princes Street big wikipedia photo.
*that* is the view from Princes street gardens, at the side of Princes Street.
I(and others I know) have had the dubious pleasure of North American gentlemen stop me in the street with "hey you!" not "hey, excuse me" or anything polite, but "hey you!"... which puts me on edge. that's the sort of greeting you get from someone about to chib you, not someone wanting help. They've then proceeded to ask me where the castle is.
Really. I mean, if they asked where's Holyrood Palace, I'd be fine, give 'em directions, or even "what way it it to the Royal Mile?", after all, it can be hard to get your bearings in a new city... "where's the castle," however... that's a bit like standing on the Palais de Chailot and asking for the eiffel tower, or standing on the corner of Marina and Fillmore and yelling "where's the Golden Gate bridge?" There's a *!?@ing great monolith of rock with walls and cannon on top... d'y think that could possibly be... the castle?
its the combination of utter lack of manners with the sheer magnitude of what they're ignoring that bugs me.
and yes, there's places in Swamp Gulch National Park that I'd have no clue about... But I'd hope that before I got there, I'd have a chance to get a book and look online, and find out what beautiful or incredible things there are,like when I travelled accross most of the western seaboard - (including going through books to find all the little hidden gems.)
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DarknessInc
Minmatar Kinda'Shujaa
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Posted - 2008.07.09 12:05:00 -
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White folks in general.
In my time living in Nepal, I met so many people that refused to eat from a street side cart or go into a small, family run shop. They always wanted to go where the other tourists went and never off the beaten path.
And they were so germophobic. If something had a drop of water they didnt know where it came from, they'd ask for another glass or for it to be wiped away. EVEN WHEN DRINKING Nepali Milk Tea that was around 120+ degrees hot out of metal cups. Jesus
I always got the weirdest looks because instead of eating with the tourists, hanging out with the tourists and acting like them, I hung out with nepalis, ate like one and acted generally like one. Even learning the language so when I went to stores and shops, I could do business in nepali.
Now thats a tourist. Adapt to the culture your visiting BUT DONT Fashion Massacre it and buying everything that looks "cultural" and then wear it thinking your blending it. Truth is, you dont and everyone is having a laugh. And learn the DAMN LOCAL LANGUAGE by interacting and making friends with the local population. Have them teach you a little and listen a bit.
In my 2 months in Nepal, I learned more Nepalese than my friend who had been going on and off for the past 3 years.
Originally by: Viator Pilot Now I will go back to agents, already without the desire of adventures on the ass :)
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Slade Trillgon
Siorai Iontach Brotherhood of the Spider
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Posted - 2008.07.09 13:04:00 -
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Originally by: Suze'Rain
Originally by: Slade Trillgon
My apologies for us "Americans" that do not know every historically significant place in Europe much less the pronunciation. I am pretty sure there are numerous places that I could take you in the states that you would have no clue the importance of the place and how to pronounce it. That does not qualify as obnoxious in my book.
P.S. You know that technically when all of us say Americans we are including all of Canada, Central America, and South America in our generalizations.
Slade
Ok, perhaps I should clarify. View from Princes Street big wikipedia photo.
*that* is the view from Princes street gardens, at the side of Princes Street.
I(and others I know) have had the dubious pleasure of North American gentlemen stop me in the street with "hey you!" not "hey, excuse me" or anything polite, but "hey you!"... which puts me on edge. that's the sort of greeting you get from someone about to chib you, not someone wanting help. They've then proceeded to ask me where the castle is.
Really. I mean, if they asked where's Holyrood Palace, I'd be fine, give 'em directions, or even "what way it it to the Royal Mile?", after all, it can be hard to get your bearings in a new city... "where's the castle," however... that's a bit like standing on the Palais de Chailot and asking for the eiffel tower, or standing on the corner of Marina and Fillmore and yelling "where's the Golden Gate bridge?" There's a *!?@ing great monolith of rock with walls and cannon on top... d'y think that could possibly be... the castle?
its the combination of utter lack of manners with the sheer magnitude of what they're ignoring that bugs me.
and yes, there's places in Swamp Gulch National Park that I'd have no clue about... But I'd hope that before I got there, I'd have a chance to get a book and look online, and find out what beautiful or incredible things there are,like when I travelled accross most of the western seaboard - (including going through books to find all the little hidden gems.)
LMAO!!! I do apologize for the idiots that represented us in these cases.
Do not know how they could miss that. I thought you actually ment a pile of rocks was what they were missing, but you were being sarcastic. Now I see the light. LOL
As for how they approached you, do not take offense to that. Those type of idiots do the same thing here and probably get the same type of reaction you gave them or worse.
Once again, I do not support going to another country ignorant of what you are getting into. One of the primary reasons I have not made it out of the states. That and lack of money to travel.
Slade
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Imperator Jora'h
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Posted - 2008.07.09 13:16:00 -
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Originally by: Suze'Rain Ok, perhaps I should clarify. View from Princes Street big wikipedia photo.
*that* is the view from Princes street gardens, at the side of Princes Street.
I(and others I know) have had the dubious pleasure of North American gentlemen stop me in the street with "hey you!" not "hey, excuse me" or anything polite, but "hey you!"... which puts me on edge. that's the sort of greeting you get from someone about to chib you, not someone wanting help. They've then proceeded to ask me where the castle is.
Being impolite is inexcusable and if they asked in that fashion I'd have some snarky answers at the ready and/or point them in the opposite direction.
However, given the glaring obviousness of the castle I suspect what they are really asking is how the hell they get up there. Unless you happen to have several castles scattered about the town (all Americans know all Brits live in castles).
-------------------------------------------------- "Of course," said my grandfather, pulling a gun from his belt as he stepped from the Time Machine, "there's no paradox if I shoot you!"
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Imperator Jora'h
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Posted - 2008.07.09 13:28:00 -
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Originally by: DarknessInc And they were so germophobic. If something had a drop of water they didnt know where it came from, they'd ask for another glass or for it to be wiped away. EVEN WHEN DRINKING Nepali Milk Tea that was around 120+ degrees hot out of metal cups. Jesus
My roommate went to Nigeria (I think...might be remembering wrong) for three weeks to help build a hospital and other things with a group of people. The squalor in the major cities he described was nothing short of amazing. Garbage in mountains right around where people lived. When it rained the streets flooded and you were essentially walking through raw sewage including human and animal waste. Every single one of the people in the group he was with got pink eye and some came down with worse infections (despite having all relevant shots before traveling).
I am not suggesting all places in Africa are similar or necessarily even close but sanitation can be a legitimate concern. Even if the locale is clean locals tend to have germs their bodies have adapted to but are new to visitors. That is where the stories of "Don't drink the water in Mexico" came from. The locals are fine and not sick at all but things in the water are new to a visitor and can give you the trots in a serious way for a few days.
You should not be rude about such things but neither should you be blithely unaware or unconcerned about it either. Generally this is not an issue when visiting modern western countries which have sanitation well under control (usually...there are some street vendors in the US I would not trust buying food from).
-------------------------------------------------- "Of course," said my grandfather, pulling a gun from his belt as he stepped from the Time Machine, "there's no paradox if I shoot you!"
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Xrak
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.07.09 13:53:00 -
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Wow, this thread just made tipping incredibly over complicated. Keep it simple.
All you need to know for tipping in the UK is that it is not mandatory and done as a optional extra if you think the staff deserve it. When it comes to food, 10% is the general amount tipped. At the bar/pub either "Get yourself one if you want" or "Keep the change". And as mentioned, tipping every time at the bar will be perceived as showing an interest in that member of staff (if you get served by the same person).
When I worked in a bar, I got "keep the change" more often then being bought a drink since the price of drinks aren't all that cheap. Anyone who gets offended in the UK from being offered a tip of any size is an idiot if you ask me.
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P'uck
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Posted - 2008.07.09 14:56:00 -
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I just want to throw in something, quickly:
There is only ONE thing that is worse than prejudices. The french.
And: you all remember that james bond-parody simpsons episode, do you? When Mr. Scorpio asks Homer whether he should destroy Italy or France, Homer shouts "ITALY" with a \o/ gesture.
and scropio silently ponders "Strange, why doesnt anybody EVER say france?"
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Suze'Rain
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.07.09 15:11:00 -
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Originally by: Imperator Jora'h
Being impolite is inexcusable and if they asked in that fashion I'd have some snarky answers at the ready and/or point them in the opposite direction.
We do... we stick 'em on the bus to Craigmillar Castle instead.... which conveniently runs along princes street. a smile and a wave, and watch them get driven off towards a castle... in the middle of a housing estate.
I sometimes wonder if any come back alive.
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Kaeten
Hybrid Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.07.09 16:52:00 -
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Originally by: Micheal Dietrich I like the chinese tourists myself. Takes a half hour to explain to them where something is but it's great when you get the group OOOOOOOOOOOOH!
hahahahahaaaa when I was in the royal guard i dunno howmany chineese tried to enter the premiss of the palace, was funny every time I shouted at them "HALT", they shit their pants hahahaha ________________________ Comming back June 5th...
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Slade Trillgon
Siorai Iontach Brotherhood of the Spider
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Posted - 2008.07.09 17:24:00 -
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Originally by: Suze'Rain
Originally by: Imperator Jora'h
Being impolite is inexcusable and if they asked in that fashion I'd have some snarky answers at the ready and/or point them in the opposite direction.
We do... we stick 'em on the bus to Craigmillar Castle instead.... which conveniently runs along princes street. a smile and a wave, and watch them get driven off towards a castle... in the middle of a housing estate.
I sometimes wonder if any come back alive.
I guess a housing estate is a not so plesent place to go. I take it that is the UKs term for low income government assisted housing, like what we in the states call projects?
Slade
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Malcanis
We are Legend
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Posted - 2008.07.09 17:31:00 -
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Originally by: Slade Trillgon
Originally by: Suze'Rain
Originally by: Imperator Jora'h
Being impolite is inexcusable and if they asked in that fashion I'd have some snarky answers at the ready and/or point them in the opposite direction.
We do... we stick 'em on the bus to Craigmillar Castle instead.... which conveniently runs along princes street. a smile and a wave, and watch them get driven off towards a castle... in the middle of a housing estate.
I sometimes wonder if any come back alive.
I guess a housing estate is a not so plesent place to go. I take it that is the UKs term for low income government assisted housing, like what we in the states call projects?
Slade
Yeah pretty much. Well there are nice estates but from context it's clear that he means the burned out car dead dog in the street smack dealer on every road kind.
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.09 18:04:00 -
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Originally by: Imperator Jora'h I never thought it was rude to tip but just optional.
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EDIT: Not arguing with you and I will keep it in mind for next time I visit GB. Just curious how it all works is all.
I'll save you from another pit-trap there, too- in some circumstances it is rude to tip, in other circumstances it's rude not to tip
Its a mine field, and I can only suggest you buy a really good guide book if ever you go anywhere abroad. Its what I do ------
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich You can even get a midget with a camera to sit on the floorboard.
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Ultin Harvor
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Posted - 2008.07.09 23:22:00 -
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Edited by: Ultin Harvor on 09/07/2008 23:23:02
Originally by: P'uck I just want to throw in something, quickly:
There is only ONE thing that is worse than prejudices. The french.
And: you all remember that james bond-parody simpsons episode, do you? When Mr. Scorpio asks Homer whether he should destroy Italy or France, Homer shouts "ITALY" with a \o/ gesture.
and scropio silently ponders "Strange, why doesnt anybody EVER say france?"
God bless sarcasm
EDIT: And if you weren't being sarcastic (I highly doubt you weren't), it's the other way round.
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Suze'Rain
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.07.10 00:07:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Slade Trillgon
I guess a housing estate is a not so plesent place to go. I take it that is the UKs term for low income government assisted housing, like what we in the states call projects?
Yeah pretty much. Well there are nice estates but from context it's clear that he means the burned out car dead dog in the street smack dealer on every road kind.
Not quite that bad...
if we wanted to sent them there I'd stick 'em on a #27 to Muirhouse.... which is a bit like beirut circa 1986, only with worse climate and less friendly locals. and probably more AK47s...
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Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2008.07.10 01:03:00 -
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Originally by: pwnedgato Yeah I'd bet at least 2 American Pesos that most of you Europeans in this thread don't know where the worlds largest ball of yarn is or even the largest nonstick frying pan.
We're not obsessed with size.
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Suze'Rain
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.07.10 01:23:00 -
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Originally by: Wendat Huron
Originally by: pwnedgato Yeah I'd bet at least 2 American Pesos that most of you Europeans in this thread don't know where the worlds largest ball of yarn is or even the largest nonstick frying pan.
We're not obsessed with size.
....said the actress to the bishop.
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2008.07.10 02:19:00 -
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Originally by: Suze'Rain
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Slade Trillgon
I guess a housing estate is a not so plesent place to go. I take it that is the UKs term for low income government assisted housing, like what we in the states call projects?
Yeah pretty much. Well there are nice estates but from context it's clear that he means the burned out car dead dog in the street smack dealer on every road kind.
Not quite that bad...
if we wanted to sent them there I'd stick 'em on a #27 to Muirhouse.... which is a bit like beirut circa 1986, only with worse climate and less friendly locals. and probably more AK47s...
Its strange seeing someone on an internet spaceship forum describe places so close to me with freakish accuracy ...
Where abouts you from then?
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pwnedgato
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Posted - 2008.07.10 02:35:00 -
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Edited by: pwnedgato on 10/07/2008 02:35:19
Originally by: Suze'Rain
Originally by: Wendat Huron
Originally by: pwnedgato Yeah I'd bet at least 2 American Pesos that most of you Europeans in this thread don't know where the worlds largest ball of yarn is or even the largest nonstick frying pan.
We're not obsessed with size.
....said the actress to the bishop.
I had to Google that line about the bishop and actress, and whatever you are talking about is still few miles over my head (must be part of being an American). Care to elaborate?
Originally by: Crumplecorn These is a forum for this.
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Taradis
Amarr The Imperial Assassins
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Posted - 2008.07.11 07:14:00 -
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South FL specially Miami is like an extension of cuba. I haven't been their yet and I live in Jacksonville FL lol but from what I hear you need to be almost fluent in spanish to get newhere in that area lol but as far as rude tourists go i would have to say the rich Arabs they are pusy as hell and expect to be waited on hand and foot.
I have helped people navigate around Jacksonville that are from Ireland and England mostly which ways the beach lol
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Janus Duo
Gallente Down In Flames
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Posted - 2008.07.11 08:50:00 -
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Originally by: pwnedgato I had to Google that line about the bishop and actress, and whatever you are talking about is still few miles over my head (must be part of being an American). Care to elaborate?
It's simply a all-purpose colloquialism that points out double entendres, intentional or not.
ie Your reply "we're not obsessed with size" has the double meaning of not only what it seems to say in context of the conversation, but also could be a reference to male genitalia.
Thus: "said the actress to the bishop".
It's a more proper form of "That's what she said"
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Huurtney Gurdsen
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Posted - 2008.07.11 10:05:00 -
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The English are the best and the worst.
The English backpackers are a top bunch but the sweaty, tatooed chavs vomiting cheap lager into the gutters of the Costa Del Sol suck big time.
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Esmenet
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.07.11 10:37:00 -
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Originally by: Huurtney Gurdsen The English are the best and the worst.
The English backpackers are a top bunch but the sweaty, tatooed chavs vomiting cheap lager into the gutters of the Costa Del Sol suck big time.
I dont know about the best but definetly the worst yes. Generally the loudest, most obnoxious bunch of drunken ******s you encounter anywhere are English.
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Suze'Rain
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.07.11 12:25:00 -
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Originally by: Blane Xero
Its strange seeing someone on an internet spaceship forum describe places so close to me with freakish accuracy ... Where abouts you from then?
West End, just beside the cathedral. know a fair few people living in the muirhouse tower blocks, however. yourself?
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Bad Borris
20th Legion Digital Renegades
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Posted - 2008.07.11 12:40:00 -
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I once tried to help a chinese tourist operate a ticket machine in a tube station in london. I said two words and the guy start shouting thinking that i was about to rob him and ran off shouting 'no no me no money me no money'.
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Slade Trillgon
Siorai Iontach Brotherhood of the Spider
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Posted - 2008.07.11 13:27:00 -
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Well I think the general concensus is that their are douchebags from all nationalities and their are good folks from them all also. It just sucks that people do not realize what common courtesy is.
Slade
"I am not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why can`t we just take the safety labels off everything and let the problem fix its self" |
Frankinator
E-Thugz
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Posted - 2008.07.11 13:46:00 -
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Look, not to be racist here or anything, but heres a few things Ive learned since working in a restaurant for the last 4 years. I think the whole "foreigners dont tip" thing is because in most countries in Europe, I guess its tipping either isnt mandatory or you get Automatic Gratuity added to your bill. I lived on a military base in Naples, Italy for 3 years and traveled around Europe a bit and always saw that the Gratuity was added. So I think by nature, most Europeans or whomever think that its being added and dont bother to check their bill in American restaurants. Unfortunately in the place that I work, we only add gratuity to large parties (8 or more). I think that if most people just looked at their bill and surveyed it a bit better than there wouldnt be this issue.
Now, on the other hand, where I work we tend to have a lot of African Americans come in. Im not trying to say that EVERY black person doesnt tip, but unfortunately I find that most do not. I dont know if its just them being cheap, or maybe they werent raised with that custom being pushed very much. I do know that I had a table of 3 or 4 Afro American teenagers come in, and they were friends of another person that worked there. I gave them great service, and at the end of it all, they left me like a 2% tip (which is pretty much an insult). The norm that you should tip for good service is between 18% and 20%. After this table left, I went and told my coworker what they had left me, she then texted one of the teenagers and asked why they didnt leave me anything much at all. Their response was "Honey, we're black, we dont tip..." Sucks things are like that, but nothing I can do about it
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.07.11 14:46:00 -
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I usually do about 16%, sales tax*2
+/- a bit depending on how much money I have, the service, and if it will come out to an even dollar amount
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Mark Lucius
Kinetic Vector
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Posted - 2008.07.11 15:12:00 -
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Must be because I am 'European', but I consider tips a little bonus for good service.
Good service can be anything from a little smile to going out of your way to make my stay as pleasant as possible. I won't tip if either the food is bad or the service is very substandard.
To be honest, I think the American tipping habits seem a bit odd as you would want to motivate people to provide better service instead of demanding 'extra payment'. But that is just my opinion. ---
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Ultin Harvor
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Posted - 2008.07.12 00:08:00 -
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Originally by: Mark Lucius Must be because I am 'European', but I consider tips a little bonus for good service.
Good service can be anything from a little smile to going out of your way to make my stay as pleasant as possible. I won't tip if either the food is bad or the service is very substandard.
To be honest, I think the American tipping habits seem a bit odd as you would want to motivate people to provide better service instead of demanding 'extra payment'. But that is just my opinion.
Here here. I totally agree, if they really put in the effort and go the extra mile then I will leave a generous tip. They make minimum wage, yes you do have a minimum wage in America and lets not forget that goods and services are cheaper there than they are here in the UK, and that is set at a level for a reason. Manual labourors make minimum wage, but you don't see anyone tipping them. It's total BS that society says that you should tip this group of people, but not that group of people.
Now before anyone flames and says that I'm a harsh person with no morals or ethics, I would like to draw your attention to what I said earlier, if they put in the extra effort then I will tip, and generously. Let's be honest, waiting on tables is an awful job and if they do it with a smile and a friendly comment then they deserve a little something, but if I feel like a number on a P&L account, then no tips are given.
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Posted - 2008.07.12 04:51:00 -
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Originally by: Ultin Harvor
Originally by: Mark Lucius Must be because I am 'European', but I consider tips a little bonus for good service.
Good service can be anything from a little smile to going out of your way to make my stay as pleasant as possible. I won't tip if either the food is bad or the service is very substandard.
To be honest, I think the American tipping habits seem a bit odd as you would want to motivate people to provide better service instead of demanding 'extra payment'. But that is just my opinion.
Here here. I totally agree, if they really put in the effort and go the extra mile then I will leave a generous tip. They make minimum wage, yes you do have a minimum wage in America and lets not forget that goods and services are cheaper there than they are here in the UK, and that is set at a level for a reason. Manual labourors make minimum wage, but you don't see anyone tipping them. It's total BS that society says that you should tip this group of people, but not that group of people.
Now before anyone flames and says that I'm a harsh person with no morals or ethics, I would like to draw your attention to what I said earlier, if they put in the extra effort then I will tip, and generously. Let's be honest, waiting on tables is an awful job and if they do it with a smile and a friendly comment then they deserve a little something, but if I feel like a number on a P&L account, then no tips are given.
Actually, I make $ 3.08 per hour. Here in America we dont make minimum wage, we live off of our tips. And seeing as we dont get paid that much per paycheck, its usually all taken out for taxes so my paychecks say VOID: THIS IS NOT A CHECK. So please keep that in mind next time you dine here
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Posted - 2008.07.12 07:34:00 -
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It wouldn't surprise me if a poll said the Brits were worst. Loud mouthed, drunken and always looking for a fight. It's why so many countries hate Brits.
I'm not being racist, I am really not proud to say that I am British because of the trouble Brit tourists have caused across the world.
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Posted - 2008.07.12 09:11:00 -
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Originally by: Frankinator
Originally by: Ultin Harvor
Originally by: Mark Lucius Must be because I am 'European', but I consider tips a little bonus for good service.
Good service can be anything from a little smile to going out of your way to make my stay as pleasant as possible. I won't tip if either the food is bad or the service is very substandard.
To be honest, I think the American tipping habits seem a bit odd as you would want to motivate people to provide better service instead of demanding 'extra payment'. But that is just my opinion.
Here here. I totally agree, if they really put in the effort and go the extra mile then I will leave a generous tip. They make minimum wage, yes you do have a minimum wage in America and lets not forget that goods and services are cheaper there than they are here in the UK, and that is set at a level for a reason. Manual labourors make minimum wage, but you don't see anyone tipping them. It's total BS that society says that you should tip this group of people, but not that group of people.
Now before anyone flames and says that I'm a harsh person with no morals or ethics, I would like to draw your attention to what I said earlier, if they put in the extra effort then I will tip, and generously. Let's be honest, waiting on tables is an awful job and if they do it with a smile and a friendly comment then they deserve a little something, but if I feel like a number on a P&L account, then no tips are given.
Actually, I make $ 3.08 per hour. Here in America we dont make minimum wage, we live off of our tips. And seeing as we dont get paid that much per paycheck, its usually all taken out for taxes so my paychecks say VOID: THIS IS NOT A CHECK. So please keep that in mind next time you dine here
Man that sucks, I was misinformed and I apologise. My god I made a fool of myself there
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Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Originally by: Suze'Rain Personally, I'd say it's the americans who, every year, stand on Edinburgh's Princes' Street with a massive spur of fortified volcanic rock literally looming over their shoulder clearly visible to all, and yell "Hey! you! Where's Eeedinboro Castle?"....
*twitch* The Fringe is up next month. Oh, God.
*shudder*
"..." Next month?
Aw shit..... Marchmont lad here, I have the meadows literaly on my doorstep..... not this again....
Noted what you said about Craigmillar. Closest I have done to that is when some of our North American bretheren wanted to know where to catch Haggis..... My answer (for those not knowing the traditional response), they are 3 legged creatures with one longer than the others so they can run around the hill quickly. To catch, chase it the opposite direction and it falls over. They are nocturnal and only come out there holes when the moons up.
Of course the English that come get the joke and I tell them where the restaurant is (haggis is a sheep cooked in its own stomach with oats and spices, noone realy eats it anymore afaik). I don't know if those peeps I tole beleived me or not.... I hope they understood I was taking the ****
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Originally by: Kirjava Noted what you said about Craigmillar. Closest I have done to that is when some of our North American bretheren wanted to know where to catch Haggis..... My answer (for those not knowing the traditional response), they are 3 legged creatures with one longer than the others so they can run around the hill quickly. To catch, chase it the opposite direction and it falls over. They are nocturnal and only come out there holes when the moons up.
Yea, love that Haggis hunt joke. It's surprising the number of people that still fall for it though
I got it told to me when I moved to Aberdeen in November. I already knew what haggis was though, my ex wife was Scottish.
Actually haggis is not too bad, a bit fatty but nice peppered flavour. Considering how cold it is here in Scotland, I can understand the amount of fatty foods there are. And it's not traditional any more, it's usually sold in plastic wrappers instead of sheeps stomach (damn that commercialisation).
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Posted - 2008.07.12 14:51:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 12/07/2008 14:51:06
Every tourist are obnoxious.
Lets face it, nobody likes tourists except the businesses that makes money from them.
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.12 21:25:00 -
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Originally by: Dantes Revenge
Actually haggis is not too bad, a bit fatty but nice peppered flavour. Considering how cold it is here in Scotland, I can understand the amount of fatty foods there are. And it's not traditional any more, it's usually sold in plastic wrappers instead of sheeps stomach (damn that commercialisation).
I am partial to a bit of haggis, too. I never quite understand why people make a fuss over haggis so. "Ew, it's made of ground up organs in a sheep's stomach?"...You do know what sausages are made out of, right? ------
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich You can even get a midget with a camera to sit on the floorboard.
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Edited by: Blane Xero on 12/07/2008 23:18:13
Originally by: Suze'Rain
Originally by: Blane Xero
Its strange seeing someone on an internet spaceship forum describe places so close to me with freakish accuracy ... Where abouts you from then?
West End, just beside the cathedral. know a fair few people living in the muirhouse tower blocks, however. yourself?
Somewhere between Edinburgh and Bathgate/Livingston in a little town called Uphall
And some of the fun you can have with tourists at the time of the fringe is uncanny...
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Wilko1776
Minmatar An Eye For An Eye Digital Renegades
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Posted - 2008.07.13 09:22:00 -
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Edited by: Wilko1776 on 13/07/2008 09:23:07
Originally by: DarknessInc White folks in general.
In my time living in Nepal, I met so many people that refused to eat from a street side cart or go into a small, family run shop. They always wanted to go where the other tourists went and never off the beaten path.
And they were so germophobic. If something had a drop of water they didnt know where it came from, they'd ask for another glass or for it to be wiped away. EVEN WHEN DRINKING Nepali Milk Tea that was around 120+ degrees hot out of metal cups. Jesus
I always got the weirdest looks because instead of eating with the tourists, hanging out with the tourists and acting like them, I hung out with nepalis, ate like one and acted generally like one. Even learning the language so when I went to stores and shops, I could do business in nepali.
Now thats a tourist. Adapt to the culture your visiting BUT DONT Fashion Massacre it and buying everything that looks "cultural" and then wear it thinking your blending it. Truth is, you dont and everyone is having a laugh. And learn the DAMN LOCAL LANGUAGE by interacting and making friends with the local population. Have them teach you a little and listen a bit.
In my 2 months in Nepal, I learned more Nepalese than my friend who had been going on and off for the past 3 years.
**OMG** you are so wise and well travelled, we could all learn so much from you
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Malcanis
We are Legend
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Posted - 2008.07.13 22:11:00 -
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Originally by: Esmenet
Originally by: Huurtney Gurdsen The English are the best and the worst.
The English backpackers are a top bunch but the sweaty, tatooed chavs vomiting cheap lager into the gutters of the Costa Del Sol suck big time.
I dont know about the best but definetly the worst yes. Generally the loudest, most obnoxious bunch of drunken ******s you encounter anywhere are English.
And that's how we got the empire.
"oh man my head where the f*ck did we conquer last night?"
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Minmatar An Eye For An Eye Digital Renegades
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Posted - 2008.07.14 08:21:00 -
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worst - scotland or france because the people are horrible
best - england - obvious really
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Bhaal
Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2008.07.14 15:54:00 -
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I guess I'm glad I'm not interested in traveling outside the USA.
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I'm RickJames
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Posted - 2008.07.14 16:22:00 -
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Originally by: Frankinator
Now, on the other hand, where I work we tend to have a lot of African Americans come in. Im not trying to say that EVERY black person doesnt tip, but unfortunately I find that most do not. I dont know if its just them being cheap, or maybe they werent raised with that custom being pushed very much. I do know that I had a table of 3 or 4 Afro American teenagers come in, and they were friends of another person that worked there. I gave them great service, and at the end of it all, they left me like a 2% tip (which is pretty much an insult). The norm that you should tip for good service is between 18% and 20%. After this table left, I went and told my coworker what they had left me, she then texted one of the teenagers and asked why they didnt leave me anything much at all. Their response was "Honey, we're black, we dont tip..." Sucks things are like that, but nothing I can do about it
No, they generally do not tip, and that is why they get poor service in restaurants and in pizza deliveries. When I used to be a pizza delivery driver way back when, they just would not ever tip and would even wait while you counted out $0.03 change. I was in a new group of drivers for the new college semester, and after several weeks we developed a system where a black person would call in and and if a driver got the call, we'd mark the order so we knew to deliver that order last, irregardless of its location because we wanted to get the deliveries to the people that actually did leave tips (statistically), but only if it was a college aged or younger person living where college kids lived or rented. We even had a foreign student driving, from Sri Leon, and he was the blackest anybody could get - there was no mistake we was African and not even he could get tips from african-americans either. He would tell us after deliveries he'd rather deliver to people in the bush then deliver to african-americans in the US.
Same story of them being tipless from everyone I know in the fodo industry.
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Bhaal
Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2008.07.14 16:51:00 -
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Originally by: I'm RickJames
Originally by: Frankinator
Now, on the other hand, where I work we tend to have a lot of African Americans come in. Im not trying to say that EVERY black person doesnt tip, but unfortunately I find that most do not. I dont know if its just them being cheap, or maybe they werent raised with that custom being pushed very much. I do know that I had a table of 3 or 4 Afro American teenagers come in, and they were friends of another person that worked there. I gave them great service, and at the end of it all, they left me like a 2% tip (which is pretty much an insult). The norm that you should tip for good service is between 18% and 20%. After this table left, I went and told my coworker what they had left me, she then texted one of the teenagers and asked why they didnt leave me anything much at all. Their response was "Honey, we're black, we dont tip..." Sucks things are like that, but nothing I can do about it
No, they generally do not tip, and that is why they get poor service in restaurants and in pizza deliveries. When I used to be a pizza delivery driver way back when, they just would not ever tip and would even wait while you counted out $0.03 change. I was in a new group of drivers for the new college semester, and after several weeks we developed a system where a black person would call in and and if a driver got the call, we'd mark the order so we knew to deliver that order last, irregardless of its location because we wanted to get the deliveries to the people that actually did leave tips (statistically), but only if it was a college aged or younger person living where college kids lived or rented. We even had a foreign student driving, from Sri Leon, and he was the blackest anybody could get - there was no mistake we was African and not even he could get tips from african-americans either. He would tell us after deliveries he'd rather deliver to people in the bush then deliver to african-americans in the US.
Same story of them being tipless from everyone I know in the fodo industry.
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