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Khanh'rhh
One Man Rodgering
870
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Posted - 2012.03.15 14:17:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:I'm a little disappointed with this.
As a collector of this kind of stuff I'd like to see this not happen. ISK as a replacement would not be acceptable. How can you put a price on them?
IDK, I just scam with mine. You can fool people into thinking they're a test item that shouldn't be player accessible - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
135
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Posted - 2012.03.15 14:22:00 -
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A lot of people with OCD here ... For all the-áomgz incursions are an isk faucet-áwhiners CCP Soundwave : "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally."
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Tobiaz
Spacerats
10
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Posted - 2012.03.15 14:24:00 -
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It's not only mines, but appearently some of the NPC-transport dropped mining drones as well that have gone missing. [img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/Tobiaz/sig_complaints.gif[/img]
This needs fixin' |
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CCP Greyscale
C C P C C P Alliance
858
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Posted - 2012.03.15 14:31:00 -
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Ok, so.
Bettik and I have been running a cleanup programme on our data over the last six months or so. We cleaned out a lot of internal crud in our data revisioning system before Christmas, Bettik reviewed every type in the game over the holidays to make sure the "published" flag was set correctly in all of them (this governs what's eligible for autolinking and contracts), and in January I went over the same data to try and clean out all the obsolete types sitting around in our system.
The criteria was basically that anything that should never have been legitimately in player possession, wasn't a current testing/GM tool, and wasn't likely to be made available in the immediate future, was flagged for deletion. We ended up deleting 1031 types, out of a total of 11430.
Out of these ~1k types, there are nine that I'm now looking at as candidates for restoration: the four mines, their blueprints, and obviously the Mimir blueprint. The Mimir was a straight-up mistake; the mines I'd flagged for deletion based on the (mistaken) assumption that we'd removed the actual mines themselves years ago and only the blueprints were in circulation, and it seems that when you delete a type, it also (sensibly, in retrospect) deletes the type's blueprint.
The good news is that when we do this sort of delete, the server keeps track of the deleted items for a while, and we made a copy of those data last night, so we know who owned what quantity of every deleted type. We don't have any of the information on blueprint research, so any returned blueprints will have "default" values (which I don't see as a huge problem for something that's primarily a collectors' item).
We don't do this sort of delete very often (as you can probably guess from how many types we caught in this sweep); there is a process for getting them reintroduced, but we have a few technical cobwebs to clean out of it before we can make use of it, and at this point in time I can't 100% guarantee that this will work properly. We are however actively pursuing reinstatement of the abovementioned items, and we'll keep you updated on our progress. I'm hoping to have this sorted in the next couple of weeks; normally I'd say "within a week" but fanfest next week makes all our estimates a little less predictable right now. In the meantime, contracts containing these items are likely to have issues, but otherwise things should continue to work normally. |
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FluffyDice
StarFckers Inc. The Jagged Alliance
68
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Posted - 2012.03.15 14:36:00 -
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Thanks for the swift reply. Wasn't planning on using them anytime soon so as long as I get them back in a reasonable amount of time I will be happy. |
Marbin Drakon
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
7
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Posted - 2012.03.15 14:38:00 -
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CCP Greyscale wrote:Long explanation
Off topic: I was wondering why I had fewer types when I updated my static data.
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1241
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Posted - 2012.03.15 14:39:00 -
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Hopefully my Jovian Ambassadors body parts are still in my hanger (bone splinters and such)... I'd like to hang onto them.
Actually, I'd really like for you to eventually do something interesting with that whole story line as promised... but I have no idea how many people have actually hung onto them throughout the years. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
T'amber Anomandari Demaleon
525
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Posted - 2012.03.15 14:43:00 -
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bah the mines, what about my bloody hellhound drones?!!@
www.shipsofeve.com
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Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
533
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Posted - 2012.03.15 14:52:00 -
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So, when can we start petitioning to get reimbursed for the Elite Mining drones that have been in use and traded by players for the last 8+ years?
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
2844
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Posted - 2012.03.15 14:56:00 -
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CCP Greyscale wrote:The good news is that when we do this sort of delete, the server keeps track of the deleted items for a while, and we made a copy of those data last night, so we know who owned what quantity of every deleted type. We don't have any of the information on blueprint research, so any returned blueprints will have "default" values (which I don't see as a huge problem for something that's primarily a collectors' item). Does this mean, that any restored Mimir Blueprint will suddenly have 40 new runs on them - thus introducing more ships... being the number of Mimir's in-game is limited to a set amount.
/c
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FluffyDice
StarFckers Inc. The Jagged Alliance
68
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Posted - 2012.03.15 15:00:00 -
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If it means you get a bunch of free Mimir's Chribba ill gladly take one off your hands. Seeing as how I'm such an awesome OP of this thread <3 |
Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
432
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Posted - 2012.03.15 15:02:00 -
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Dear CCP,
Whoever made the decision to start removing items from the game due to them being perceived as useless or unused does not understand the concept of "collector's items". This is a game where certain ingame items become priceless to each individual, be that item a bellydancer, a drone or a scribbled piece of paper.
Is the person making the decision to remove such items someone who was involved with Incarna ? I ask because of late, it is becoming evident that CCP is stepping into its old ways of disregarding the playerbase.
This recent launcher fiasco is evidence that proper testing was not done before releasing it and causing problems for many thousands of players. That, along with stealth nerfs and changes which are never documented or discussed, should be a cause for concern among all of us.
Please stop applying changes which only you consider to be of value when it is blatantly obvious from responses here and in other threads that what you are doing is wrong.
I have browsed through my collection of commodities and there are certain items missing, gone, vanished. I collect such items because I can and because I want to.
'nuff said.
The universe is an ancient desert, a vast wasteland with only occasional habitable planets as oases. We Fremen, comfortable with deserts, shall now venture into another. - STILGAR, From the Sietch to the Stars. |
Shandir
Ferocious Felines
52
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Posted - 2012.03.15 15:07:00 -
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CCP Greyscale wrote: We don't have any of the information on blueprint research, so any returned blueprints will have "default" values.
I would hope this is obvious - but that seems like a significant oversight you should correct before running this type of 'clearing out' again. Especially if there can be some significant errors in the process (mistakes can happen, obviously), it should be *fully* reversible. |
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CCP Greyscale
C C P C C P Alliance
862
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Posted - 2012.03.15 15:12:00 -
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Chribba wrote:CCP Greyscale wrote:The good news is that when we do this sort of delete, the server keeps track of the deleted items for a while, and we made a copy of those data last night, so we know who owned what quantity of every deleted type. We don't have any of the information on blueprint research, so any returned blueprints will have "default" values (which I don't see as a huge problem for something that's primarily a collectors' item). Does this mean, that any restored Mimir Blueprint will suddenly have 40 new runs on them - thus introducing more ships... being the number of Mimir's in-game is limited to a set amount. /c
TBC
Thorn Galen wrote:Dear CCP,
Whoever made the decision to start removing items from the game due to them being perceived as useless or unused does not understand the concept of "collector's items". This is a game where certain ingame items become priceless to each individual, be that item a bellydancer, a drone or a scribbled piece of paper.
It was me, I made the decision. The goal was not to remove things "perceived as useless or unused", it was to remove things that should never have been in player hands in the first place. There were a fair number of things on the list that were in player hands and were *very clearly* not supposed to be there, which we've since rectified. As per my long post above, the mine blueprints were not intended to be deleted at all, precisely *because* they were collector's items. A couple of the drones also shouldn't have been dropped, and are also slated to be reinstated. Overall, we cleared out just over a thousand types and we're still below ten false positives (ignoring the blueprints which were removed unintentionally). |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
2845
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Posted - 2012.03.15 15:13:00 -
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FluffyDice wrote:If it means you get a bunch of free Mimir's Chribba ill gladly take one off your hands. Seeing as how I'm such an awesome OP of this thread <3 Sadly no I do not own any blueprint, I was more worried about a potential introduction of more ships - making the current become less rare.
/c
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Ottersmacker
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
100
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Posted - 2012.03.15 15:14:00 -
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Velicitia wrote:o_O they took our snowball launchers too!? YOU BASTARDS! they are still there.
+ good to hear the mines are making a return! The Order of the Falcon or Hin +¡slenska f+ílkaor+¦a is a national Order of Iceland |
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CCP Greyscale
C C P C C P Alliance
863
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Posted - 2012.03.15 15:46:00 -
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Oh, also, please hold off petitioning the GMs about this for now, there's nothing they can do about it because the types literally don't exist on TQ right now. There's nothing in the DB for them to give you. |
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Arrs Grazznic
Poena Executive Solutions
9
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Posted - 2012.03.15 15:51:00 -
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CCP Greyscale wrote:The goal was not to remove things "perceived as useless or unused", it was to remove things that should never have been in player hands in the first place. There were a fair number of things on the list that were in player hands and were *very clearly* not supposed to be there, which we've since rectified. [ ... ] Overall, we cleared out just over a thousand types and we're still below ten false positives (ignoring the blueprints which were removed unintentionally). Can you please provide a list of what was removed? I can't get on-line just now but am quite concerned about stuff that may have gone. Aside from mine BPOs, mine BPCs, mines and Capsules, I have quite a few other rare bits and pieces I've collected through the years and I wouldn't want to see them vanish.
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FluffyDice
StarFckers Inc. The Jagged Alliance
68
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Posted - 2012.03.15 15:52:00 -
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I would gladly accept a titan BPO as a suitable replacement for now. |
Salpun
Paramount Commerce Tactical Invader Syndicate
224
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Posted - 2012.03.15 15:55:00 -
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Arrs Grazznic wrote:CCP Greyscale wrote:The goal was not to remove things "perceived as useless or unused", it was to remove things that should never have been in player hands in the first place. There were a fair number of things on the list that were in player hands and were *very clearly* not supposed to be there, which we've since rectified. [ ... ] Overall, we cleared out just over a thousand types and we're still below ten false positives (ignoring the blueprints which were removed unintentionally). Can you please provide a list of what was removed? I can't get on-line just now but am quite concerned about stuff that may have gone. Aside from mine BPOs, mine BPCs, mines and Capsules, I have quite a few other rare bits and pieces I've collected through the years and I wouldn't want to see them vanish. There is a past been list on Failheap
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Pak Narhoo
Knights of Kador
418
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Posted - 2012.03.15 15:56:00 -
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CCP Greyscale wrote:Oh, also, please hold off petitioning the GMs about this for now, there's nothing they can do about it because the types literally don't exist on TQ right now. There's nothing in the DB for them to give you.
Time to put up an emergency news item then. Not everybody reads the forums or even GD. :)
You have to cut the ops team some slack, trolling the player base with made up downtime estimates is the only fun they get around here.-á(CCP Nullarbor) |
Arrs Grazznic
Poena Executive Solutions
9
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Posted - 2012.03.15 16:13:00 -
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Salpun wrote:There is a past been list on Failheap Can you please provide a link? Not been able to find anything there
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Velicitia
Open Designs
796
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Posted - 2012.03.15 16:28:00 -
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Ottersmacker wrote:Velicitia wrote:o_O they took our snowball launchers too!? YOU BASTARDS! they are still there. + good to hear the mines are making a return!
good :)
Greyscale, as an apology, can we haz snowballs ?
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zenthral staichon
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
0
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Posted - 2012.03.15 17:06:00 -
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Chribba wrote:FluffyDice wrote:If it means you get a bunch of free Mimir's Chribba ill gladly take one off your hands. Seeing as how I'm such an awesome OP of this thread <3 Sadly no I do not own any blueprint, I was more worried about a potential introduction of more ships - making the current become less rare. /c
Chribba, m8, I know I sold you your Mimir but I've suddenly got 40 more. Interested?
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Vyktor Abyss
The Abyss Corporation
82
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Posted - 2012.03.15 17:07:00 -
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So you're fixing mines and adding them back in to be useful...
A good change IMHO *cough* |
ElQuirko
Gravit Negotii Rogue Elements.
391
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Posted - 2012.03.15 17:22:00 -
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Tanya Powers wrote:Ho yeah keep loving your useless funky stuff from the past, just like good cave people, please don't evolve and keep wining, cly a little more please mu cup is empty.
Interdiction nullifiers beat good gatecamps, just as poor spelling will destroy any troll - even one as weak as yours. Please go back to your hole.
If we distribute pictures of people, does that mean God can file copyright claims under SOPA? |
Deamos
Dev Null Development and Holdings New Eden Research.
110
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Posted - 2012.03.15 17:44:00 -
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Vyktor Abyss wrote:So you're fixing mines and adding them back in to be useful... A good change IMHO *cough*
Honestly, I wish they would rework mines. I know why they were removed, I was around back when you could use them.
Perhaps if they altered it from mines to deployable minefields, with a finite lifespan, only can do so much damage per tick scaled based on ship size (smaller ships get less damage due to maneuverability, only be able to be deployed in null space, and damage all ships, not just hostile ones, it would really add a dynamic to fights. It could even help to remove some of the blob warfare. |
The Snowman
Aliastra Gallente Federation
38
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Posted - 2012.03.15 17:48:00 -
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Any chance of getting a complete list of things that were deleted?
I dont know why but I'm extremly curious about what they are! |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
427
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Posted - 2012.03.15 18:26:00 -
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When DO we submit petitions about this?
WTH is wrong with you CCP? Do you not know what your players have with regards to items in this game?
This was a really dumb move imho.
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Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
853
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Posted - 2012.03.15 18:27:00 -
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Bad Messenger wrote:there goes persistent universe.
Welcome all the new wow in space.
says the guy wearing the gold aurum starfleet uniform
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