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Boz Well
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Posted - 2008.07.09 12:49:00 -
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So if a SMC gives the same recharge as a CCC (they dont, SMC's are lower but if) you would be able to jump just as fast, sadly the SMC's induced regen is lower then a CCC.
I read that differently I guess, heh. Sounds to me like you're saying if SMC's gave the same raw amount of cap regen/second it would take the same amount of time to reach 71%, which isn't true. Only if they gave a regen bonus (rather than capacity bonus) would the time be the same.
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Keitaro Baka
Babylon Scientific and Industrial Enterprises
Babylon Project
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Posted - 2008.07.09 16:00:00 -
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This stuff is always so much fun :)
Alt-F4 your EFT children and let's do some proper basic maths again :D
Say we have a ship with 1,000.00 cap and a recharge time of 100.00 seconds. This means the ship can recharge it's cap with 10.00 cap per second.
One CCC rig will reduce the recharge time by 15%, making the ship have 1,000.00 cap with a recharge time of 85.00 seconds. The ship can now recharge it's cap with 11.6747 cap per second.
One SMC rig would increase the total cap amount by 15%, making the ship have 1,150.00 cap with a recharge time of 100.00 seconds, meaning it can recharge it's cap with 11.5 cap per second.
The cap per second for the CCC rig is 2.3% better than with the SMC rig.
Now if a jump takes a certain percentage of cap and the ship is required to be at a certain percentage of total cap again to jump again, let's see what this does:
Let's say a jump takes 70% of your total cap and you would need 71% of your total cap to jump again.
The ship would start out at 30% cap after a jump and require normalised 41% of it's cap recharge time to jump again, so 41 seconds if unrigged and 41 seonds if rigged with a SMC rig. With the CCC rig it would only need 34.85 seconds. Please keep in mind here that after a jump you're in almost peak recharge, so it might be a bit less, which is also a percentage, so the values are likely to be a bit close together, in absolute sense.
Since these rigs stack without penalty you're better off with CCCs for faster jumping.
Yay!
All the stuff above does not necessarily reflect my corp, my alliance or even me..
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Boz Well
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Posted - 2008.07.09 16:04:00 -
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For reaching a percentage (i.e. 71%), SMC's don't help at all. CCC's do. I think that sums it up.
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Derek Sigres
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Posted - 2008.07.09 16:08:00 -
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Originally by: Viqtoria
wtf ofcourse 3xccc will get you to 71% or whatever faster than 3xsmc, how can you even begin to argue over that? do any of you even play this game outside of EFT?
There's a game too!
Sadly EFT would answer this question handily but since people generally just look at the end state numbers (reinforced defense, DPS, EHP and so on) the question invariably comes up. CCC's and SMC's seem to affect similar things in EFT if you don't look to the figure just to the left of your recharge rate, thus raising the question.
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Boz Well
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Posted - 2008.07.09 16:17:00 -
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wtf ofcourse 3xccc will get you to 71% or whatever faster than 3xsmc, how can you even begin to argue over that? do any of you even play this game outside of EFT?
That's just the typical "noob blaming EFT for everything" that you frequently see on these forums.  This has nothing to do with EFT and everything to do with people's inability to visualize the application of basic math.
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P'uck
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Posted - 2008.07.09 16:29:00 -
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i think the confusion started with sokratesz basically saying
"a ship with smc charges to 71% exactly as fast as the same ship without any rigs"
and half of the crowd reading
"a ship with smc charges to 71 exactly as fast as the same ship with ccc"
which of course is wrong.
amirite? because im pretty confused by the thread.
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Boz Well
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Posted - 2008.07.09 16:43:00 -
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Originally by: P'uck
i think the confusion started with sokratesz basically saying
"a ship with smc charges to 71% exactly as fast as the same ship without any rigs"
and half of the crowd reading
"a ship with smc charges to 71 exactly as fast as the same ship with ccc"
which of course is wrong.
amirite? because im pretty confused by the thread.
Hm, rurite? Probably. Not really sure... I tried looking back through the thread to find the confusion, and I think it just started because a lot of people explaining it really didn't get it. Or maybe they read it wrong. Or maybe they just explained it poorly. Who knows. 
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Caffeine Junkie
2 Guys In Motherships
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Posted - 2008.07.09 17:41:00 -
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Originally by: Boz Well
Originally by: P'uck
i think the confusion started with sokratesz basically saying
"a ship with smc charges to 71% exactly as fast as the same ship without any rigs"
and half of the crowd reading
"a ship with smc charges to 71 exactly as fast as the same ship with ccc"
which of course is wrong.
amirite? because im pretty confused by the thread.
Hm, rurite? Probably. Not really sure... I tried looking back through the thread to find the confusion, and I think it just started because a lot of people explaining it really didn't get it. Or maybe they read it wrong. Or maybe they just explained it poorly. Who knows.
Yes, this thread does win the "most headache / confusion causing thread of the year". And yes thats probably my fault. But to sum up....
CCC = Faster Cap Regen to 71% (jump level) than SMC.
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velmistr Ecco
Caldari
InNova Tech Inc
Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2008.07.10 11:56:00 -
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Originally by: Keitaro Baka
This stuff is always so much fun :)
Now if a jump takes a certain percentage of cap and the ship is required to be at a certain percentage of total cap again to jump again, let's see what this does:
[list]Let's say a jump takes 70% of your total cap and you would need 71% of your total cap to jump again.
Isn't it a wrong assumption? IMHO a jump takes same amount cap points on both ships (one with ccc and one with smc rigs). The rest is obvious. While ccc rigged ship might be on 30% capacitor, smc ship will (under same conditions) have more capacitor left.
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
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Posted - 2008.07.10 12:06:00 -
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Originally by: P'uck
i think the confusion started with sokratesz basically saying
"a ship with smc charges to 71% exactly as fast as the same ship without any rigs"
and half of the crowd reading
"a ship with smc charges to 71 exactly as fast as the same ship with ccc"
which of course is wrong.
amirite? because im pretty confused by the thread.
Yup.
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Irish Whiskey
Caldari
Corp 1 Allstars
The Requiem
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Posted - 2008.07.10 12:13:00 -
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Originally by: Boz Well
That's just the typical "noob blaming EFT for everything" that you frequently see on these forums. This has nothing to do with EFT and everything to do with people's inability to visualize the application of basic math.
Or do their own research.
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