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Entity
X-Factor Industries Synthetic Existence
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Posted - 2012.03.15 14:03:00 -
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So I ran my script to see what was gone with the patch, and look...
Deleted: Mining Drone - Improved UNUSED Mining Drone - Elite
These drones dropped from npc convoys in 2003 and were in perfect working order. Why did CCP destroy BILLIONS worth of drones?
There's other stuff that was deleted that I can understand (like the defunct mines), but why the drones? People obtained them through normal gameplay mechanics and they worked fine, not to mention them being highly valuable collector items.
I'm not amused.
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
2842
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Posted - 2012.03.15 14:04:00 -
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also I want my Capsules back that you deleted a while ago! :(
But yeah give us our historic stuff back. Mines!
/c
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gfldex
378
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Posted - 2012.03.15 14:09:00 -
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We an only hope Entity wont go to fanfest. Nobody would be safe from his wrath.
EDIT:
WAIT! Is the Impoc still there? WHAT HAPPENED TO THE IMPOC??? The game has a tutorial that gives you a mining laser and a railgun and tells you to go shoot rocks and red crosses. It teaches you nothing else. It's been that way for 8 years, so are you really surprised that there are people who aren't aware that this is a pvp game? --Jafit McJafitson |
Tobiaz
Spacerats
10
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Posted - 2012.03.15 14:11:00 -
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/signed
I also lost a bunch of mines. Luckily still have my Harvesters and my (unique?) Tutorial Attack Drone. If CCP would work at a museum I'd bet they would just throw the old stuff with the garbage whenever they want to put in something new. [img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/Tobiaz/sig_complaints.gif[/img]
This needs fixin' |
Boma Airaken
Seekers of a Silent Paradise
11
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Posted - 2012.03.15 14:14:00 -
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Very high up on the bullshit meter. Pretty shady move CCP. |
Hiram Alexander
Seraphim Securities
162
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Posted - 2012.03.15 14:15:00 -
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If my Melted Snowballs or Launcher vanished, I know I'd be raging... So, anyone who's lost Mines has my full sympathy...
Hopefully they'll be re-instated. |
TheBlueMonkey
Natural Progression
92
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Posted - 2012.03.15 14:16:00 -
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I'm going to have to check I still have my T2 perpetual motion generator when I get home.
makes me sad if I don't :( |
Tobiaz
Spacerats
10
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Posted - 2012.03.15 14:19:00 -
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TheBlueMonkey wrote:I'm going to have to check I still have my T2 perpetual motion generator when I get home.
makes me sad if I don't :(
I googled it to rule out sarcasm, but I couldn't find out more about this 'perpetual motion generator'. What is it? [img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/Tobiaz/sig_complaints.gif[/img]
This needs fixin' |
Josefius
13th Tribe of Kobol Expeditionary
48
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Posted - 2012.03.15 14:25:00 -
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If something happened to my Prostitute, I'm going to nerd rage. |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
2000
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Posted - 2012.03.15 14:33:00 -
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Tobiaz wrote:TheBlueMonkey wrote:I'm going to have to check I still have my T2 perpetual motion generator when I get home.
makes me sad if I don't :( I googled it to rule out sarcasm, but I couldn't find out more about this 'perpetual motion generator'. What is it?
This. IIRC it was part of the trader tutorial at one point. I recall doing it with my trader/industry alt at one point long time ago. |
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CCP Greyscale
C C P C C P Alliance
858
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Posted - 2012.03.15 14:34:00 -
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See my response here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=945853#post945853
The mines are likely to be reinstated; the drones I don't have any plans to reinstate right now as there doesn't seem to be any clear sign that they were being intentionally distributed, and names like "Improved UNUSED" make me wary. I am of course open to further discussion on this issue, but we had a lot of types caught in the sweep that very definitely *shouldn't* have been in player hands, and we're generally erring on the side of caution in this regard. |
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Arrs Grazznic
Poena Executive Solutions
9
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Posted - 2012.03.15 14:35:00 -
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See thread a few posts down:
CCP Greyscale wrote:Ok, so.
Bettik and I have been running a cleanup programme on our data over the last six months or so. We cleaned out a lot of internal crud in our data revisioning system before Christmas, Bettik reviewed every type in the game over the holidays to make sure the "published" flag was set correctly in all of them (this governs what's eligible for autolinking and contracts), and in January I went over the same data to try and clean out all the obsolete types sitting around in our system.
The criteria was basically that anything that should never have been legitimately in player possession, wasn't a current testing/GM tool, and wasn't likely to be made available in the immediate future, was flagged for deletion. We ended up deleting 1031 types, out of a total of 11430.
Out of these ~1k types, there are nine that I'm now looking at as candidates for restoration: the four mines, their blueprints, and obviously the Mimir blueprint. The Mimir was a straight-up mistake; the mines I'd flagged for deletion based on the (mistaken) assumption that we'd removed the actual mines themselves years ago and only the blueprints were in circulation, and it seems that when you delete a type, it also (sensibly, in retrospect) deletes the type's blueprint.
The good news is that when we do this sort of delete, the server keeps track of the deleted items for a while, and we made a copy of those data last night, so we know who owned what quantity of every deleted type. We don't have any of the information on blueprint research, so any returned blueprints will have "default" values (which I don't see as a huge problem for something that's primarily a collectors' item).
We don't do this sort of delete very often (as you can probably guess from how many types we caught in this sweep); there is a process for getting them reintroduced, but we have a few technical cobwebs to clean out of it before we can make use of it, and at this point in time I can't 100% guarantee that this will work properly. We are however actively pursuing reinstatement of the abovementioned items, and we'll keep you updated on our progress. I'm hoping to have this sorted in the next couple of weeks; normally I'd say "within a week" but fanfest next week makes all our estimates a little less predictable right now. In the meantime, contracts containing these items are likely to have issues, but otherwise things should continue to work normally. |
T'amber Anomandari Demaleon
525
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Posted - 2012.03.15 14:39:00 -
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CCP Greyscale wrote:See my response here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=945853#post945853The mines are likely to be reinstated; the drones I don't have any plans to reinstate right now as there doesn't seem to be any clear sign that they were being intentionally distributed, and names like "Improved UNUSED" make me wary. I am of course open to further discussion on this issue, but we had a lot of types caught in the sweep that very definitely *shouldn't* have been in player hands, and we're generally erring on the side of caution in this regard.
Um I spent alot of isk buying and finding my hellhounds. I am extremely upset.
www.shipsofeve.com
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
2844
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Posted - 2012.03.15 14:43:00 -
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CCP Greyscale wrote:See my response here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=945853#post945853The mines are likely to be reinstated; the drones I don't have any plans to reinstate right now as there doesn't seem to be any clear sign that they were being intentionally distributed, and names like "Improved UNUSED" make me wary. I am of course open to further discussion on this issue, but we had a lot of types caught in the sweep that very definitely *shouldn't* have been in player hands, and we're generally erring on the side of caution in this regard. How about our Capsules? I had 13 of them stacked in my hangar in the last cleanup - gone.
Not that they are worth anything and I am aware it then was not possible to "make" them, but it was kind of nice having them as a part of clone jump history.
/c
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2746
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Posted - 2012.03.15 14:44:00 -
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i too demand useless irrelevant items be restored to me because i am a crazy person |
Tobiaz
Spacerats
11
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Posted - 2012.03.15 14:44:00 -
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T'amber Anomandari Demaleon wrote:CCP Greyscale wrote:See my response here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=945853#post945853The mines are likely to be reinstated; the drones I don't have any plans to reinstate right now as there doesn't seem to be any clear sign that they were being intentionally distributed, and names like "Improved UNUSED" make me wary. I am of course open to further discussion on this issue, but we had a lot of types caught in the sweep that very definitely *shouldn't* have been in player hands, and we're generally erring on the side of caution in this regard. Um I spent alot of isk buying and finding my hellhounds. I am extremely upset.
Also they don't fall in the category of not supposed to be in the player hands. [img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/Tobiaz/sig_complaints.gif[/img]
This needs fixin' |
Captain Sonic
Aperture Harmonics K162
5
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Posted - 2012.03.15 14:47:00 -
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I wantz my mines back! , also i thought it was customary for CCP to give players 2x Plexes every time you remove an "non player item" from players that they have somehow gotten their hands on ..?
I also wonder, did the Jovian Body parts from early 2004 survive this sweep, if not i know some one that will rage after spending billions getting quite a few of them :P |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
533
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Posted - 2012.03.15 14:48:00 -
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CCP Greyscale wrote:the drones I don't have any plans to reinstate right now as there doesn't seem to be any clear sign that they were being intentionally distributed, and names like "Improved UNUSED" make me wary. I am of course open to further discussion on this issue, but we had a lot of types caught in the sweep that very definitely *shouldn't* have been in player hands, and we're generally erring on the side of caution in this regard.
As long as CCP wants to reimburse me 500 million ISK for my 5 Elite Mining drones. These worked just fine and were not exactly free, people have been trading and selling them for years.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Entity
X-Factor Industries Synthetic Existence
142
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Posted - 2012.03.15 14:49:00 -
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CCP Greyscale wrote:See my response here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=945853#post945853The mines are likely to be reinstated; the drones I don't have any plans to reinstate right now as there doesn't seem to be any clear sign that they were being intentionally distributed, and names like "Improved UNUSED" make me wary. I am of course open to further discussion on this issue, but we had a lot of types caught in the sweep that very definitely *shouldn't* have been in player hands, and we're generally erring on the side of caution in this regard.
Anyone that popped convoys back then will be able to tell you those mining drones dropped by the thousands, along with Harvester Drones (why not delete those too while at it?)
The hellhounds were unintentional drop in missions but CCP fixed them and stated they will not delete them: Proof: http://community.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=148257&page=1#8
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
2844
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Posted - 2012.03.15 14:50:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:CCP Greyscale wrote:the drones I don't have any plans to reinstate right now as there doesn't seem to be any clear sign that they were being intentionally distributed, and names like "Improved UNUSED" make me wary. I am of course open to further discussion on this issue, but we had a lot of types caught in the sweep that very definitely *shouldn't* have been in player hands, and we're generally erring on the side of caution in this regard. As long as CCP wants to reimburse me 500 million ISK for my 5 Elite Mining drones. These worked just fine and were not exactly free, people have been trading and selling them for years. You sure you're not talking about Harvesters now? Else I'll happily pay 100m/each for your Elite drones...
/c
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The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
283
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Posted - 2012.03.15 14:51:00 -
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Is this some kind of a joke? There are weird people (like me) that spent billions to acquire those items. |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
283
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Posted - 2012.03.15 14:56:00 -
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CCP Greyscale wrote:See my response here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=945853#post945853The mines are likely to be reinstated; the drones I don't have any plans to reinstate right now as there doesn't seem to be any clear sign that they were being intentionally distributed, and names like "Improved UNUSED" make me wary. I am of course open to further discussion on this issue, but we had a lot of types caught in the sweep that very definitely *shouldn't* have been in player hands, and we're generally erring on the side of caution in this regard.
Perhaps CCP should have given us a fair warning prior to removing those items? There are many players who have spent billions (equivalent to hours of gameplay) or burned PLEXs (oh guess what, stupid me again!!!), to obtain those items.
There was absolutely no gain for CCP or ANYONE for deleting those items. |
Josefius
13th Tribe of Kobol Expeditionary
49
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Posted - 2012.03.15 14:57:00 -
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Entity wrote:CCP Greyscale wrote:See my response here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=945853#post945853The mines are likely to be reinstated; the drones I don't have any plans to reinstate right now as there doesn't seem to be any clear sign that they were being intentionally distributed, and names like "Improved UNUSED" make me wary. I am of course open to further discussion on this issue, but we had a lot of types caught in the sweep that very definitely *shouldn't* have been in player hands, and we're generally erring on the side of caution in this regard. Anyone that popped convoys back then will be able to tell you those mining drones dropped by the thousands, along with Harvester Drones (why not delete those too while at it?) The hellhounds were unintentional drop in missions but CCP fixed them and stated they will not delete them: Proof: http://community.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=148257&page=1#8Give me back my stuff.
What about my Prostitute? We shared so much together. |
Tobiaz
Spacerats
12
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Posted - 2012.03.15 14:57:00 -
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The Antiquarian wrote:Is this some kind of a joke? There are weird people (like me) that spent billions to acquire those items.
Totally true [img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/Tobiaz/sig_complaints.gif[/img]
This needs fixin' |
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CCP Greyscale
C C P C C P Alliance
861
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Posted - 2012.03.15 15:05:00 -
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Entity wrote:CCP Greyscale wrote:See my response here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=945853#post945853The mines are likely to be reinstated; the drones I don't have any plans to reinstate right now as there doesn't seem to be any clear sign that they were being intentionally distributed, and names like "Improved UNUSED" make me wary. I am of course open to further discussion on this issue, but we had a lot of types caught in the sweep that very definitely *shouldn't* have been in player hands, and we're generally erring on the side of caution in this regard. Anyone that popped convoys back then will be able to tell you those mining drones dropped by the thousands, along with Harvester Drones (why not delete those too while at it?) The hellhounds were unintentional drop in missions but CCP fixed them and stated they will not delete them: Proof: http://community.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=148257&page=1#8Give me back my stuff.
Ok, I've put the Hellhounds and the Elites on the "to recover" list.
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The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
283
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Posted - 2012.03.15 15:08:00 -
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CCP Greyscale wrote:Entity wrote:CCP Greyscale wrote:See my response here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=945853#post945853The mines are likely to be reinstated; the drones I don't have any plans to reinstate right now as there doesn't seem to be any clear sign that they were being intentionally distributed, and names like "Improved UNUSED" make me wary. I am of course open to further discussion on this issue, but we had a lot of types caught in the sweep that very definitely *shouldn't* have been in player hands, and we're generally erring on the side of caution in this regard. Anyone that popped convoys back then will be able to tell you those mining drones dropped by the thousands, along with Harvester Drones (why not delete those too while at it?) The hellhounds were unintentional drop in missions but CCP fixed them and stated they will not delete them: Proof: http://community.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=148257&page=1#8Give me back my stuff. Ok, I've put the Hellhounds and the Elites on the "to recover" list.
And the UNUSED? I spent 3 billions to acquire 2 x UNUSED ones. Or at least, could you replace those with HELLHOUNDS or something equivalent in value or rarity? I am sorry, but I generate my ISK via burning actual cash. This kind of random deleting discourages folks like me from ever purchasing PLEXs. |
Entity
X-Factor Industries Synthetic Existence
145
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Posted - 2012.03.15 15:10:00 -
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CCP Greyscale wrote:Entity wrote:CCP Greyscale wrote:See my response here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=945853#post945853The mines are likely to be reinstated; the drones I don't have any plans to reinstate right now as there doesn't seem to be any clear sign that they were being intentionally distributed, and names like "Improved UNUSED" make me wary. I am of course open to further discussion on this issue, but we had a lot of types caught in the sweep that very definitely *shouldn't* have been in player hands, and we're generally erring on the side of caution in this regard. Anyone that popped convoys back then will be able to tell you those mining drones dropped by the thousands, along with Harvester Drones (why not delete those too while at it?) The hellhounds were unintentional drop in missions but CCP fixed them and stated they will not delete them: Proof: http://community.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=148257&page=1#8Give me back my stuff. Ok, I've put the Hellhounds and the Elites on the "to recover" list.
Ok, great.
Now, the improved UNUSED drones were never named like that. Someone else that thought they were not used renamed them to that years ago. They dropped at the same time as the Elites. You should just remove the "UNUSED" part and restore them. Besides, they're worse than the elites anyway, but just as rare.
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Push Pharmaceuticals Push Interstellar Network
19
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Posted - 2012.03.15 15:10:00 -
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This seems to have caused a lot of fuss. I hope it was worth it. |
TheBlueMonkey
Natural Progression
94
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Posted - 2012.03.15 15:24:00 -
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CCP forgetting that people don't just PvP and PvE in eve, some just collect weird crap\history about the game other just cruise about visiting systems etc, eve's a sandbox after all.
Removing historical or weird crap, seems a little odd and kinda pointless (same goes for the renaming in my mind but you've already started with that).
If you want an item removed from the game for whatever reason, nerf it down to 0 or just remove the drop. I'd also think you had a way of querying how many of x item is currently in circulation and if it's still out there, leave it be.
Also, Perpetual motion generator T2 is real, it's pointless and I love it, especially as I can never find it on contract or anywhere else :) |
Azure Moonlight
Atomic Core Industries and Science
16
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Posted - 2012.03.15 15:36:00 -
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I didnt have any of the said stuff (as far as I remember), but just deleting items is a No-Go as there are collectors, like The Antiquarian, who just enjoy to look at this useless rubbish in their hangar. For normal people and DEVs that might sound stupid, but THIS IS THE SANDBOX. Dont break the game for people, just because you dont care for their way enjoying it. For your attention! Market order modification fee (anti-botting, more interesting trading) https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=78351 |
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Entity
X-Factor Industries Synthetic Existence
145
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Posted - 2012.03.15 16:44:00 -
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On a side note:
DEL u'Mimir Blueprint'
You absolutely sure the ships were all built, CCP?
I have Vangel and Malice bpcs which I will probably never build from. Should I be afraid? GòªGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGòæGûæGûæGûæGòöGòùGûæGòæGûæGòæGûæGòöGòùGûæGòªGòæGûæGòöGòùGòöGòªGòùGòöGòù GòæGûæGòöGòùGòöGòùGòöGòúGûæGòöGòùGòáGûæGûæGòáGûæGòáGòùGòáGò¥GûæGòæGòáGûæGòáGò¥GòæGòæGòæGòÜGòù Gò¬GòÉGòÜGò¥GòæGûæGòÜGò¥GûæGòÜGò¥GòæGûæGûæGòÜGò¥GòæGòæGòÜGò¥GûæGò¬GòÜGò¥GòÜGò¥GòæGûæGòæGòÜGò¥ Got Item? | [topic=6504]EVE API?[/topic] | [topic=6501]Cache?[/topic] |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1267
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Posted - 2012.03.15 16:54:00 -
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CCP Greyscale wrote:See my response here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=945853#post945853The mines are likely to be reinstated; the drones I don't have any plans to reinstate right now as there doesn't seem to be any clear sign that they were being intentionally distributed, and names like "Improved UNUSED" make me wary. I am of course open to further discussion on this issue, but we had a lot of types caught in the sweep that very definitely *shouldn't* have been in player hands, and we're generally erring on the side of caution in this regard. Yeah...there was already a thread about this with a Dev post that would have saved a lot of time if people even bothered to look at the front page of the forums and read.
Just saying... EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Entity
X-Factor Industries Synthetic Existence
145
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Posted - 2012.03.15 17:04:00 -
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Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Yeah...there was already a thread about this with a Dev post that would have saved a lot of time if people even bothered to look at the front page of the forums and read.
Just saying...
It was an "ACCIDENT" and they are going to work on fixing it.
Not about the drones and other stuff there wasn't. >_> GòªGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGòæGûæGûæGûæGòöGòùGûæGòæGûæGòæGûæGòöGòùGûæGòªGòæGûæGòöGòùGòöGòªGòùGòöGòù GòæGûæGòöGòùGòöGòùGòöGòúGûæGòöGòùGòáGûæGûæGòáGûæGòáGòùGòáGò¥GûæGòæGòáGûæGòáGò¥GòæGòæGòæGòÜGòù Gò¬GòÉGòÜGò¥GòæGûæGòÜGò¥GûæGòÜGò¥GòæGûæGûæGòÜGò¥GòæGòæGòÜGò¥GûæGò¬GòÜGò¥GòÜGò¥GòæGûæGòæGòÜGò¥ Got Item? | [topic=6504]EVE API?[/topic] | [topic=6501]Cache?[/topic] |
Avid Bumhumper
Furian Necromongers
41
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Posted - 2012.03.15 17:07:00 -
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Boma Airaken wrote:Very high up on the bullshit meter. Pretty shady move CCP.
Your confusing bullshit with Incompetence......
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Avid Bumhumper
Furian Necromongers
41
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Posted - 2012.03.15 17:14:00 -
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CCP Greyscale wrote:Entity wrote:CCP Greyscale wrote:See my response here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=945853#post945853The mines are likely to be reinstated; the drones I don't have any plans to reinstate right now as there doesn't seem to be any clear sign that they were being intentionally distributed, and names like "Improved UNUSED" make me wary. I am of course open to further discussion on this issue, but we had a lot of types caught in the sweep that very definitely *shouldn't* have been in player hands, and we're generally erring on the side of caution in this regard. Anyone that popped convoys back then will be able to tell you those mining drones dropped by the thousands, along with Harvester Drones (why not delete those too while at it?) The hellhounds were unintentional drop in missions but CCP fixed them and stated they will not delete them: Proof: http://community.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=148257&page=1#8Give me back my stuff. Ok, I've put the Hellhounds and the Elites on the "to recover" list.
Ok, this I find really sad....
People playing your game the way that it was intended, and you randomly remove collectable items from their hangers, deciding they aren't needed? And you can't be bothered to even inform those players? Are you seriously still that out of touch with your fanbase?
And then you post on the forums with the attitude:
"We'll I didn't really think it was that important, but if your gonna whine about it....I'll put them back in"
Are you determined to drive off all the Bittervets before Fanfest? So you don't have to talk to them?
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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3434
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Posted - 2012.03.15 17:22:00 -
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I think some of these complaints are valid to a point.
I mean yeah these items arent supposed to exist.
but they did.
Maybe make the jovians steal them all and leave a thank you note for not letting it fall into the wrong hands.
but overall the clean up should have done a script run to see how many of those items existed on the server before deleting any of them.
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Entity
X-Factor Industries Synthetic Existence
145
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Posted - 2012.03.15 17:40:00 -
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Nova Fox wrote:I mean yeah these items arent supposed to exist.
Wrong.
You've just demonstrated why deleting items is a bad idea though.
With all the people leaving (both CCP and EVE), knowledge is lost. Things like how items came into the game, etc.
I can assure you that all of those drones and mines are/were supposed to exist. I'm uncertain about the capital implant, but I'm sure I did not have the only one of those.
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FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
1086
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Posted - 2012.03.15 17:41:00 -
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I think the question here is, WHY were collectibles deleted?
Were they somehow a potential balance problem? Were people USING these things in ways they should have been able to? If that's the case...render them useless. Make them true collectibles that have no functional value at all.
What other excuse is there? Database clutter? Really? A few hundred thousand items in a game where individual players own more than that? It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you. |
ElQuirko
Gravit Negotii Rogue Elements.
391
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Posted - 2012.03.15 17:46:00 -
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It's a precedent! You can now delete 99 in every 100 supercaps and reimburse the owners
If we distribute pictures of people, does that mean God can file copyright claims under SOPA? |
Ila Dace
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2012.03.15 18:08:00 -
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TheBlueMonkey wrote:CCP forgetting that people don't just PvP and PvE in eve, some just collect weird crap\history about the game other just cruise about visiting systems etc, eve's a sandbox after all.
Removing historical or weird crap, seems a little odd and kinda pointless (same goes for the renaming in my mind but you've already started with that).
If you want an item removed from the game for whatever reason, nerf it down to 0 or just remove the drop. I'd also think you had a way of querying how many of x item is currently in circulation and if it's still out there, leave it be.
Also, Perpetual motion generator T2 is real, it's pointless and I love it, especially as I can never find it on contract or anywhere else :) "Eve is real" |
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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3435
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Posted - 2012.03.15 18:11:00 -
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FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:I think the question here is, WHY were collectibles deleted?
Were they somehow a potential balance problem? Were people USING these things in ways they should have been able to? If that's the case...render them useless. Make them true collectibles that have no functional value at all.
What other excuse is there? Database clutter? Really? A few hundred thousand items in a game where individual players own more than that?
Your item database possiblity is quite real though
Every new ship they introdcued ate a previous ship slot and ohm nommed the original entry with the interation we see here
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Johnson Johnson
UK Freedom Fighters Pinked
12
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Posted - 2012.03.15 18:16:00 -
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GIGANTIC can of worms |
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CCP Greyscale
C C P C C P Alliance
867
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Posted - 2012.03.15 18:23:00 -
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Please read my extensive explanation in the other thread I linked earlier and ask any other questions you might have there. |
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Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
425
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Posted - 2012.03.15 18:24:00 -
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CCP Greyscale wrote:See my response here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=945853#post945853The mines are likely to be reinstated; the drones I don't have any plans to reinstate right now as there doesn't seem to be any clear sign that they were being intentionally distributed, and names like "Improved UNUSED" make me wary. I am of course open to further discussion on this issue, but we had a lot of types caught in the sweep that very definitely *shouldn't* have been in player hands, and we're generally erring on the side of caution in this regard. Also. Not. Amused.
At. All.
In fact... quite not amused. Would like my Mine BPOs and Capsules back CCP.
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Lord Jita
Lord Jita's Big Gay Corp
27
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Posted - 2012.03.15 18:56:00 -
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Lost my pythons but have my blood raider log 389314943. Anyone want to buy it before ccp deletes it? heh.
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1111
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Posted - 2012.03.15 19:04:00 -
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CCP Greyscale wrote:Entity wrote:CCP Greyscale wrote:See my response here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=945853#post945853The mines are likely to be reinstated; the drones I don't have any plans to reinstate right now as there doesn't seem to be any clear sign that they were being intentionally distributed, and names like "Improved UNUSED" make me wary. I am of course open to further discussion on this issue, but we had a lot of types caught in the sweep that very definitely *shouldn't* have been in player hands, and we're generally erring on the side of caution in this regard. Anyone that popped convoys back then will be able to tell you those mining drones dropped by the thousands, along with Harvester Drones (why not delete those too while at it?) The hellhounds were unintentional drop in missions but CCP fixed them and stated they will not delete them: Proof: http://community.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=148257&page=1#8Give me back my stuff. Ok, I've put the Hellhounds and the Elites on the "to recover" list.
I can' t get in game to check, are pods gone too!!! NOOOOOESSS!
Please give us back the pods if those were taken out as well! CCP you have ruined our corp museum!!!!
Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
427
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Posted - 2012.03.15 19:22:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:
I can' t get in game to check, are pods gone too!!! NOOOOOESSS!
Please give us back the pods if those were taken out as well! CCP you have ruined our corp museum!!!!
My capsules are still in a station warehouse. Chribba said he had some confiscated by CCP though... so I would check your hanger. They are still in the TQ database though.
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fugazii
Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild
9
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Posted - 2012.03.16 17:03:00 -
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CCP Greyscale wrote:See my response here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=945853#post945853The mines are likely to be reinstated; the drones I don't have any plans to reinstate right now as there doesn't seem to be any clear sign that they were being intentionally distributed, and names like "Improved UNUSED" make me wary. I am of course open to further discussion on this issue, but we had a lot of types caught in the sweep that very definitely *shouldn't* have been in player hands, and we're generally erring on the side of caution in this regard.
Shouldn't have been in player hands, but by your own companies negligance are. Deleting something that players obtained, within the game rules, and then nearly a DECADE down the line coming along and saying "tough ****" you're not supposed to have them, EVEN though we made them avaible to you in the first place is absolute BS.
I'ts not like anyones out mining in the belts with stupidly rare mining drones gaining an extra ore every now and then compared to Harvesters. These are legacy items, obtained legitimately by players, traded amounst collectors. I spent years looking for my Elite and Improved UNUSED drones. I spent billions of isk obtaining them, legitimately, years ago. And you deleted them from my hangar for no other reason than "sry bro, we made a mistake 10 years ago you're not supposed to have these".
CCPS shortcoming in game design, game coding, and enforcing of such IS NOT my problem. You made a mistake by allowing these to be obtainable, punishing me directly because of your mistake is BS and you know it.
GIVE ME BACK MY ITEMS. |
Ajita al Tchar
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
122
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Posted - 2012.03.16 19:26:00 -
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Welllll, do you see "Collector" on the list of CCP-approved sandbox careers on the new eveonline site? No. So STFU, your occupation is invalid, who cares how much time and effort you put into it and about the depth to the EVE gameplay and community it's introduced.
Ugh, , since you complained enough you can have some drones back, I GUESS. Damn that post from 2005 that says Hellhounds are legit.
Basically, if Greyscale doesn't know about an item, it's invalid. Because you see, Greyscale is actually just an AI application, able to converse using natural language and it stores all information about all items in eve along with their histories, how they ended up in the game, etc. Seriously, if he doesn't know about it, it's not a real item. The drone thing was just a test of human collectors' memory. Your other legitimate claims of items' validity are null and void.
/sarcasm |
Selene D'Celeste
The D'Celeste Trading Company ISK Six
310
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Posted - 2012.03.19 22:52:00 -
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The Antiquarian wrote:CCP Greyscale wrote:Entity wrote:CCP Greyscale wrote:See my response here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=945853#post945853The mines are likely to be reinstated; the drones I don't have any plans to reinstate right now as there doesn't seem to be any clear sign that they were being intentionally distributed, and names like "Improved UNUSED" make me wary. I am of course open to further discussion on this issue, but we had a lot of types caught in the sweep that very definitely *shouldn't* have been in player hands, and we're generally erring on the side of caution in this regard. Anyone that popped convoys back then will be able to tell you those mining drones dropped by the thousands, along with Harvester Drones (why not delete those too while at it?) The hellhounds were unintentional drop in missions but CCP fixed them and stated they will not delete them: Proof: http://community.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=148257&page=1#8Give me back my stuff. Ok, I've put the Hellhounds and the Elites on the "to recover" list. And the UNUSED? I spent 3 billions to acquire 2 x UNUSED ones. Or at least, could you replace those with HELLHOUNDS or something equivalent in value or rarity? I am sorry, but I generate my ISK via burning actual cash. This kind of random deleting discourages folks like me from ever purchasing PLEXs.
I also had some of these, and would like to see them replaced with -something- even if you want to get rid of the ugly UNUSED string. I'm rather disappointed that you had a disregard for collectors, as well as the fact that in a market-central game that most of these items are probably not in the hands of whoever original "got" them, no matter how that happened. Please take more care in the future when making decisions that will affect how people play your "sandbox" game.
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Lord Orefinger
Real Life Super Heros Inc. Caped Vigilantes
1
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Posted - 2012.03.20 02:13:00 -
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Where is the list of all deleted items?
I collected a lot of things - ship logs, prostitutes, etc.. that no longer drop and I cant find them now. I'm PISSED and unlike a lot of these people I'm in Iceland and perfectly willing to show up at somebodies door to ask them why stiff I paid real money for is suddenly gone.
Whats the point of keeping my subs if its going to go poof?
You have violated the trust.. and I want my stuff back, and a list of all the item types deleted. |
Andski
GoonWaffe
3232
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Posted - 2012.03.20 02:21:00 -
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Lord Orefinger wrote:Where is the list of all deleted items?
I collected a lot of things - ship logs, prostitutes, etc.. that no longer drop and I cant find them now. I'm PISSED and unlike a lot of these people I'm in Iceland and perfectly willing to show up at somebodies door to ask them why stiff I paid real money for in terms of subs/plex is suddenly gone.
Whats the point of keeping my subs if its going to go poof?
You have violated the trust.. and I want my stuff back, and a list of all the item types deleted.
yes please unsub because your worthless crap was deleted "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Ris Dnalor
Black Rebel Rifter Club
254
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Posted - 2012.03.20 02:37:00 -
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CCP Greyscale wrote:See my response here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=945853#post945853The mines are likely to be reinstated; the drones I don't have any plans to reinstate right now as there doesn't seem to be any clear sign that they were being intentionally distributed, and names like "Improved UNUSED" make me wary. I am of course open to further discussion on this issue, but we had a lot of types caught in the sweep that very definitely *shouldn't* have been in player hands, and we're generally erring on the side of caution in this regard.
google is your friend mr. greyscale...
If you take 10 or so minutes, make use of google, you'll be directed to threads on your old / closed forums which discuss how and where these items came to be, and it shows you that even in 2005 some of these items were being traded at over 150m isk a piece....
It's a shame that such amazing talent that exists at CCP isn't better tempered by caution and reason. Time and time again, great ideas ( cleaning out unused crap is a great idea, truly ) turn into fiasco's because of how they are implemented rather than what they actually do. In this case, a little research could've shed some light on the things that were concerning you, ---- but to try to make inferences about the stuff by looking at the names?
really? are we fckn lazy or just fckn add? Save the Miners! |
Daniel Jackson
Planet Watchers
2
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Posted - 2012.03.20 03:29:00 -
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i want my 10,000 anaconda and 10,000 python mines back i payed close to 100mil for em all T'amber for CSM7 - Ship and Client Customisation https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=65862 |
Tim Taylor
BINFORD Mean Coalition
0
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Posted - 2012.04.18 01:08:00 -
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I too want my mines and respective blueprints back.
There have been so much great posts here already about collecting items and bullshitting fanbase so I dont think I need to add anything on that issue.
If you would only think once before removing something, maybe have a look at "Spaceship Command" and then let me know what reason there would be to make it available ingame anyways. |
luZk
x13 Raiden.
63
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Posted - 2012.04.18 02:06:00 -
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Chribba wrote:also I want my Capsules back that you deleted a while ago! :(
But yeah give us our historic stuff back. Mines!
/c
Only destroyed if you dock at the station, I still have some. ;)
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