Originally by: Xenea

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It seems to me that some are lost and in dire need of spiritual guidance. The first step is to admit you are without worth, then humble yourself before Lord God, and finally acknowledge that the Amarr are His Chosen. I can recommend a number of institution within the Kingdom that will certainly afford you the time needed to discover your true potiental. In time, even the least of races can begin the path toward righteousness.

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Originally by: Stitcher

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If you claim to be able to remember it, that would have to make you about two hundred years old before you even were granted access to cloning facilities, and people just don't live that long without access to clones.

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Originally by: Stitcher

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No offense, Mister Crane, but I reckon you have some rather twisted ideas of what Caldari life is like. How long has it been since you opted out, exactly?

Take your claim that the State "[values] strict and total military dominance over the well being of [its] people"

This has never been my experience. Maybe it's just that I grew up and worked inside Ishukone all my life, which may have skewed my perspective, but I grew up in a culture where, once their well-being and basic needs are taken care of, people devoted their energies altruistically, in addition to receiving fair payment. The Corporation provided barracks and meals for the destitute, as well as labour packages and (if necessary) rehabilitation therapy to help our dropouts start back up the ladder again.

I'm not going to claim it was entirely perfect - people still got stuck in dead-end jobs, unable or unwilling to progress, and I've always objected to the use of neural chips as a disincentive to crime, for example. But in Ishukone at least, the people were cared for by the Corporation, which was in turn made prosperous by their collective efforts.

Slavery, in turn, has NEVER been on the list of things I've seen being actively supported by the State - it's just as illegal in Caldari space as anywhere else. I suppose you could make a case that because we import so much food from the Empire, we're passively supporting it, but we're not unique in that. I understand that Amarrian coffee and bread were both in vogue in the Federation up until recently, for example.

But, to address the core of your argument: "keep your mind centered on yourself, your needs, your values, your goals, what you'll fight for, what you'll stand against."

My needs are the needs of the Caldari. My values are Caldari values. My goal is the betterment of the State. I will fight to defend what I perceive as valuable in the Caldari ethos, and I will stand against its enemies, both inside and out.

You want people to be loyal to themselves first? What if that person's strongest desire is to be loyal to somebody else, first? Are they still being altruistic?

I have always rejected the philosophy that mankind must be innately selfish in order to succeed. A person may have desires, but it is my firm opinion that all of those things must be ranked beneath the needs of others. Once your own needs are satisfied, then you first tend to the needs of those within your sphere of influence, and THEN your desires.

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Originally by: Dex Nederland

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((OOC: You need to realize this is in character forum, your character has no idea about what is effectively at best myth despite it being within the past 100 years on Earth. Hero Crane your post has been reported for this reason. Go read some Prime Fiction and then tell me that your character is going to have the same 21st century views as you the player. The place to discuss OOC parallels is the library or eve-chatsubo))

So I am evil because I support my family and corporation instead of looking out for just myself. I am evil because my corporation is allied with another political entity that ensured its independence from an oppressive foreign government and maintained the balance of power such that my corporation's employees and assets were not scattered by said oppressive government. I am evil for defending my family, corporation, and values.

Perhaps you missed the past State and corporate policy of staying out of someone else's business. That had been the policy until 2 months ago, you stay out of our business and we will stay out of yours. As long as the Amarr didn't tell us how to run things in the State, we are not going to press upon them the economic disadvantages of slavery.

You Mr. Crane, represent the worst of Caldari and Gallente culture combined.

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Originally by: Khan Volji

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To be more clear in my previous inquiry I do know who I am. In fact, I am not inquiring for others to tell me who I am or what I should do.

My questions are more along the lines of the foundations of the various races which make up the battling factions. Perhaps this is the Jing Ko in me but I've never had to consider the political consequences or possibilities as I've always had a Sang Do to decide such things for me.

It may be difficult to understand for someone who is not a Jin-Mei... perhaps a former slave Minmatar who was well treated by their owner would have some idea. Imagine knowing your life needed to be dedicated to perfecting a specific aspect of it, that you were here for a specific purpose, and that all other needs would be decided and provided for you. The higher level political thoughts other Gallentian have learned over the course of their lives have never been explored by myself or others in my position.

We now have the privilege to question and conclude for ourselves matters of great interfactional import. This feeling is alluring and alien at the same time. Jing Ko are the tools of the master and under his guidance we create masterpieces.

This is similar to a tool discovering it can make a masterwork without hands to guide it.

Does this clarify the idea behind my thoughts?

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Originally by: Zagamesh

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Hopefully yourself and others in your culture will come to embrace your newfound freedoms that all Federal citizens enjoy. Although your culture does seem to have several parallels with that of the Caldari, perhaps the Jin-Mei will succeed where the Caldari failed - embracing their freedom rather than rejecting it.

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