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Shade Aran
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Posted - 2008.07.09 21:49:00 -
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Edited by: Shade Aran on 09/07/2008 21:50:23 I was doing mission in 0.4 system. Got careless and got cought by pirates. Such things happen. They do standard things and open communication. I was in Drake T1 geared 32 mill all together, also had 15 mill back on insurance. So chat goes this way:
- give me 40 mill and I will let you go - I said that my drake is worth less and I am also new player to EVE (less then 2 month) - he said how much I was willing to pay - I said 12 mill because I am newby? - he said 10 mill
I transfer money and say that in chat and he blows my ship. His reasoning was that I lied about my money. I wander how I could lie if I never was asked about money and also I never mentioned. I had conversation with his partner later and at end they claim that they are honorable pirates but they will not give me my ransom back because I lied about my money.
So people involved are from Middle School Comedy Club corp. Alchemos (also CEO of corp) was talking with my about ransom and later on he was afraid to talk with me directly I guess so his partner talked with me (Black momba22).
Trey are entitled to do what they want so this is not any kind of illegal play or anything. I am not complaining about ship being destroyed. I was careless so I lost it. Entirely my fault. I am making post to warn others who run into them to not to trust them. They will take your money and still blow up ship. I must say Black momba22 is not too bad. He was ready to talk this with me but Alchemos did not even want to discus this. Unfortunately I do not have chat log so hopefully Alchemos will be brave enough to paste it here.
Anyway my losses were not big so not big deal. Just have fun with game and don't trust this corp. Use self destruct if you are caught. It will save you ISK.
P.S.
I posted with wrong char. My char with which I was playing was Sekki Shin.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2008.07.09 21:52:00 -
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In before people assume this is a whine. -
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Lieutenant Isis
Gristle Industries
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Posted - 2008.07.09 21:58:00 -
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Originally by: Crumplecorn In before people assume this is a whine.
Since you say so, it must be a whine.
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Faife
Minmatar Kinda'Shujaa
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Posted - 2008.07.09 22:04:00 -
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rules of life: 0 - assume the ship is lost. 1 - don't pay ransom. tell them you're paying ransom and need help paying ransom. ask what to click and stall for time. you won't get much but a minute or so at least. 2 - attempt to warp out. jiggle engine on and off. they occasionally don't web in order to keep distance. 3 - see if corp mates are around to help you 4 - if they don't have big dps but you're totally held in place, start self-destruct. you can yell in local as well to get more people to warp in just to be an arse 5 - collect insurance, buy new ship, stay out of low sec for missions
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Shade Aran
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Posted - 2008.07.09 22:09:00 -
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Originally by: Faife rules of life: 0 - assume the ship is lost. 1 - don't pay ransom. tell them you're paying ransom and need help paying ransom. ask what to click and stall for time. you won't get much but a minute or so at least. 2 - attempt to warp out. jiggle engine on and off. they occasionally don't web in order to keep distance. 3 - see if corp mates are around to help you 4 - if they don't have big dps but you're totally held in place, start self-destruct. you can yell in local as well to get more people to warp in just to be an arse 5 - collect insurance, buy new ship, stay out of low sec for missions
Thanks for info. Well if there are so much dishonorable pirates how they get money nowdays? Salvaging wrecks? ;-)
Anyway I am off to train some self-destruct skills to use it from this point on ;-)
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Tamia Clant
New Dawn Corp New Eden Research
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Posted - 2008.07.09 22:10:00 -
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Originally by: Shade Aran Thanks for info. Well if there are so much dishonorable pirates how they get money nowdays? Salvaging wrecks? ;-)
You'll find many of them destroy ships for the "lulz".
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Tarminic
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.07.09 22:12:00 -
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I'm willing to bet that these same pirates are going to whine about pirating no longer being profitable at some point in the future. ---------------- Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.83 (Updated 7/3) |
Faife
Minmatar Kinda'Shujaa
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Posted - 2008.07.09 22:19:00 -
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Originally by: Shade Aran Thanks for info. Well if there are so much dishonorable pirates how they get money nowdays? Salvaging wrecks? ;-)
Anyway I am off to train some self-destruct skills to use it from this point on ;-)
their risk is small since they pick their fights against mission runners, and they make money off the modules that drop off your ship.
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Alchemos
Gallente Middle School Comedy Club
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Posted - 2008.07.09 22:20:00 -
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first off, i did not talk to you because there is nothing to talk about. I asked for 40m you paid me 10m i killed you. In the future pay the ransom i ask or don't pay at all.
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Tamia Clant
New Dawn Corp New Eden Research
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Posted - 2008.07.09 22:24:00 -
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Originally by: Alchemos first off, i did not talk to you because there is nothing to talk about. I asked for 40m you paid me 10m i killed you. In the future pay the ransom i ask or don't pay at all.
A similar logic could be applied to you. Accept the ransom you're given, or don't take the ransom at all.
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Lieutenant Isis
Gristle Industries
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Posted - 2008.07.09 22:24:00 -
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Originally by: Alchemos first off, i did not talk to you because there is nothing to talk about. I asked for 40m you paid me 10m i killed you. In the future pay the ransom i ask or don't pay at all.
According to him you agreed to allow him to pay the 10. But I was not there, if he just dumped 10 mil in you wallet without you oking it then he got what was comming.
But you should have only killed him 3/4 of the way.
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Alchemos
Gallente Middle School Comedy Club
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Posted - 2008.07.09 22:25:00 -
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he sent the isk. I am not giving it back because he thought i would accept 10m over 40m.
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Tamia Clant
New Dawn Corp New Eden Research
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Posted - 2008.07.09 22:27:00 -
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Originally by: Alchemos Edited by: Alchemos on 09/07/2008 22:26:18 he sent the isk. I am not giving it back because he thought i would accept 10m over 40m. Also he threatened to post about this if we did not give him a new drake. So take what he says with a grain of salt.
Do you confirm you accepted the 10 million as a valid ransom? If yes, you have no business claiming to be a honorable pirate, you used deception to take ISK from the victim.
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari Omerta Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.07.09 22:28:00 -
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Pirates have no obligation to keep you alive after a ransom. I would think most ransoms are successful and the victim gets to go free upon payment, but that isn't always the case.
Depends on the person ransoming you I guess. ...
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Alchemos
Gallente Middle School Comedy Club
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Posted - 2008.07.09 22:29:00 -
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i don't care if its honorable or not. If i ask for 40m and the person sends me anything less the ransom is not paid and i will kill them.
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Tamia Clant
New Dawn Corp New Eden Research
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Posted - 2008.07.09 22:30:00 -
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Originally by: Alchemos i don't care if its honorable or not. If i ask for 40m and the person sends me anything less the ransom is not paid and i will kill them.
Fair enough, if you asked for 40m and he sent 10m without having you agree to it, I'm actually on your side.
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Lieutenant Isis
Gristle Industries
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Posted - 2008.07.09 22:33:00 -
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Originally by: Rawr Cristina Pirates have no obligation to keep you alive after a ransom. I would think most ransoms are successful and the victim gets to go free upon payment, but that isn't always the case.
Depends on the person ransoming you I guess.
Most prefer to keep their word, since when people start telling their friends that you don't let your ransoms go after paying, they stop paying. Then you ISK source is gone. Pirates want your money, not to blow up your ship.
And yes if you didn't ok the 10 mil as you say then you are in the right.
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Shade Aran
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Posted - 2008.07.09 22:42:00 -
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Originally by: Alchemos i don't care if its honorable or not. If i ask for 40m and the person sends me anything less the ransom is not paid and i will kill them.
You have lowered ransom since my ship was worth less then 40 million...I offered 12 million and you asked for 10 which I payed. So how come I did not pay as much as you have asked?
As for offered Drake it was "send me 10 million and I will deliver Drake to you". I asked for contract but your corp refused to make one. So basically you tried to scam me for 10 Mill more. How I can trust some corp that did dishonorable ransom and send another 10 million?
Post full chat log if you are not afraid. I am just ****ed that I did not copy it before closing window...
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.07.09 23:05:00 -
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Originally by: Shade Aran [ Post full chat log if you are not afraid. I am just ****ed that I did not copy it before closing window...
Chat log can be found under: EVE/logs/chatlogs . Unless you have changed the settings they are automatically saved.
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Jacob Mei
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Posted - 2008.07.09 23:18:00 -
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Just never pay a ransom. Just dont. In the end its your word against the member of that group and so hes likely to get the benefit of the doubt.
Heck sting them a little and set your self Destruct if you know your not goin to make it to the dock or gate.
FYI though, you naming and shaming will likely cause some hurt for that pirate group so watch your back for the next few days. -------------------------------- To borrow a phrase:
Players who post are like stars, there are bright ones and those who are dim.
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Ma Mendes
Surge. NIght's Dawn
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Posted - 2008.07.09 23:26:00 -
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Originally by: Alchemos i don't care if its honorable or not. If i ask for 40m and the person sends me anything less the ransom is not paid and i will kill them.
I agree with this unless you agreed to a different price then you are dishonoring a ransom agreement. MIDD are an ok bunch of guys shot at them quite a bit even had them undock a carrier on our 3 bs as we were camping their guys in station
Originally by: Jacob Mei FYI though, you naming and shaming will likely cause some hurt for that pirate group so watch your back for the next few days.
Ermmm fail 'cause some hurt' how exactly they aren't noob pirates they use scouts and pick their targets. Pirates PvP to make ISK and generally they are cautious and damn good at it.
You probably ignored everything I said... *emo rage* so just going to say hi to the guys in MIDD in Hysera.
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Sin Fae
Income Redistribution Service
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Posted - 2008.07.09 23:26:00 -
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Edited by: Sin Fae on 09/07/2008 23:29:54 Edited by: Sin Fae on 09/07/2008 23:28:13 Facts as presented are inconclusive.
I have been in both situations a number of times on the ransom side. I would ask for X and the ransomee would give me Y and say "There I sent you the ransom." In those situations I just countdown from 5 and if X does not appear then it goes boom.
If I am in a negotiating mood I always phrase it "Pay me X, do we have an accord?" I usually give them three shots at it and beyond that I feel they are simply stalling them start the countdown. If they can't speak english I simply type 20,000,000 or something and a few hits in structure usually sends the message. That way too, there is absolutely no misunderstanding what the agreement is.
On a side note, if you are the ransomee, (or ransomer for that matter), never accept "I will do [insert something here] later." That never works out. Just deal with cold hard Isk.. (Or in the case of RMT Farmers, goods/ore heh).
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Shade Aran
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Posted - 2008.07.09 23:50:00 -
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Originally by: Venkul Mul
Chat log can be found under: EVE/logs/chatlogs . Unless you have changed the settings they are automatically saved.
No such directory here. I just installed EVE as it is (2 month ago). Didn't touch settings. Too bad. Anyway no point in continuing.I did what I wanted - warn ppl about them. This all fuss is over 10 million ISK. Hardly worth a trouble but since he said he has Pirate honor and can trust him and then betrayed it (he is also CEO of corp with can give you picture about whole corp) I made this post.
Thank you all for replays. I read old post about pirate honor so it seems things changed in meantime. Now I know what to expect.
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Mozohl
Amarr 24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.07.09 23:57:00 -
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Every time it's the same old crap, a guy posts a name and shame and then the dishonorable pirate comes here and says "HAHA, there was a typo in the contract making it valid for me to pop your ship and pod you after I took your cash".
Truth is, the whole piracy profession is not in such a good shape that the pirate community can keep taking that kind of crap.
As for the the middle school comedy club, we know what we do don't we? You **** ppl out of money and get away with it. I hope some bigger pirates come knock at your door for jeopardizing the ransom/ransomee trust.
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Umbra Dawn
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Posted - 2008.07.09 23:59:00 -
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Never pay a ransom to them; they won't honor it. Problem solved. =)
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.07.10 00:57:00 -
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Originally by: Shade Aran
Originally by: Venkul Mul
Chat log can be found under: EVE/logs/chatlogs . Unless you have changed the settings they are automatically saved.
No such directory here. I just installed EVE as it is (2 month ago). Didn't touch settings. Too bad. Anyway no point in continuing.I did what I wanted - warn ppl about them. This all fuss is over 10 million ISK. Hardly worth a trouble but since he said he has Pirate honor and can trust him and then betrayed it (he is also CEO of corp with can give you picture about whole corp) I made this post.
Thank you all for replays. I read old post about pirate honor so it seems things changed in meantime. Now I know what to expect.
he forgot the my documents part out in front
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Tobias Rho
Caldari Sleepless Crew
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Posted - 2008.07.10 01:08:00 -
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they mistaked you for some ordinary jester.
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Shar'Tuk TheHated
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Posted - 2008.07.10 01:58:00 -
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Corp Name says it all. Why are you shocked by this? Kids will be kids. DRINK RUM It fights scurvy & boosts morale!
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Black momba22
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Posted - 2008.07.10 01:58:00 -
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Edited by: Black momba22 on 10/07/2008 02:01:31 Ok first of the procedure for the ransome was as followed
1. capture target 2. ask for money based on normal fit and pricing that the ship has 3 recive pay leave, recieve hateful comments kill, recive nothing for more then 10 seconds kill, recieve lower then asked ransome and alot of excuses kill.
The target in this case paid less money then what we asked for and had alot of excuses such as i only have 12 million and this ship is pure tech one fit( had over 158 mill after inquiry.) Since the target did not follow the above things that we do he got killed simple.
I had thought there was a bit of miscomunication or something so i offered to buy back his ship for 1 thrid of the price and he responded with posting a form about how we do not honur ransomes so now here we are.
I am sorry if the community does not like the way we do things but i do not see a rule book on how to ransome targets and if i had time to waste talking to a target for 10 mins about how he is gonna pay i would have probably already got attacked and killed by his back up which would be just sad.
O i am with mscc but, i forgot how to do the corp ticker thing under my name so yea
MSCC FOR LIFE.
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Commander Thrawn
the united
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Posted - 2008.07.10 02:12:00 -
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Originally by: Black momba22 Edited by: Black momba22 on 10/07/2008 02:05:35 Edited by: Black momba22 on 10/07/2008 02:01:31 Ok first off the procedure for the ransome was as followed
1. capture target 2. ask for money based on normal fit and pricing that the ship has 3 recive pay leave, recieve hateful comments kill, recive nothing for more then 10 seconds kill, recieve lower then asked ransome and alot of excuses kill.
The target in this case paid less money then what we asked for and had alot of excuses such as i only have 12 million and this ship is pure tech one fit( had over 158 mill after inquiry.) Since the target did not follow the above things that we do he got killed simple.
I had thought there was a bit of miscomunication or something so i offered to buy back his ship for 1 thrid of the price and he responded with posting a form about how we do not honur ransomes so now here we are.
I am sorry if the community does not like the way we do things but i do not see a rule book on how to ransome targets and if i had time to waste talking to a target for 10 mins about how he is gonna pay i would have probably already got attacked and killed by his back up which would be just sad.
O i am with mscc but, i forgot how to do the corp ticker thing under my name so yea
MSCC FOR LIFE.
that's perfect, now all you have to do is provide the chatlogs as proof that you did not accept 10mill as a ransom and the OP is the dipshit
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Tai Paktu
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2008.07.10 02:17:00 -
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Originally by: Faife rules of life: 1 - don't pay ransom. tell them you're paying ransom and need help paying ransom. ask what to click and stall for time. you won't get much but a minute or so at least.
This will not work against any intelligent pirate. If I have a point on you, you have bteween 10 and 30 seconds from the ransom demand (you'll be notified as to which). If you say no before that time, you'll be popped. If I feel you're stalling, I'll withdraw my ransom offer and pop you.
Originally by: Faife 3 - see if corp mates are around to help you 4 - if they don't have big dps but you're totally held in place, start self-destruct. you can yell in local as well to get more people to warp in just to be an arse
By all means, call in corp mates and randoms in local. More loot for me tbh...
My standard response to this type of thread is that I will always honour an agreed upon ransom. I can add that BYDI honours all agreed upon ransoms. I can also add that any respectable pirate corp that announces it honours ransoms will do so. There's no "pirate law" that says you have to engage in or follow through on ransoms so the only real course you can take is the "name and shame" route you've taken here.
Apologies on the loss of your ship, hope to see you around low sec. ______
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Shade Aran
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Posted - 2008.07.10 05:28:00 -
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Edited by: Shade Aran on 10/07/2008 05:28:22 Here is chat log. You will see that he never asked me how much ISK I have:
[ 2008.07.09 20:33:14 ] Sekki Shin > sure...but how can I know you won;t blow my ship? last time I payed to some1 he blown my ship [ 2008.07.09 20:33:27 ] Alchemos > we have pirate honor [ 2008.07.09 20:33:30 ] Alchemos > 40m [ 2008.07.09 20:33:39 ] Alchemos > and you live and can mission here for 2 hours [ 2008.07.09 20:33:45 ] Sekki Shin > lol my ship is worth less [ 2008.07.09 20:33:58 ] Alchemos > so how much you wanna pay? [ 2008.07.09 20:34:01 ] Sekki Shin > check my char...very young [ 2008.07.09 20:34:16 ] Sekki Shin > 12 mill cause I am newby? ;-) [ 2008.07.09 20:34:22 ] Alchemos > 10mill and you live [ 2008.07.09 20:34:26 ] Sekki Shin > tnx [ 2008.07.09 20:34:30 ] Sekki Shin > transftering [ 2008.07.09 20:34:51 ] Sekki Shin > done [ 2008.07.09 20:34:51 ] Alchemos > THIS IS WHAT I DO TO PEOPLE WHO LIE ABOUT ISK, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO [ 2008.07.09 20:35:03 ] Sekki Shin > isk? [ 2008.07.09 20:35:08 ] Sekki Shin > I did not lie [ 2008.07.09 20:35:10 ] Alchemos > you have more then 12m [ 2008.07.09 20:35:30 ] Sekki Shin > I do buy ship was T1 [ 2008.07.09 20:35:41 ] Sekki Shin > worth 32 million [ 2008.07.09 20:35:56 ] Sekki Shin > there goes your honor...
Now you can see that he did dishonorable ransom. He asked 10 mill, I payed then he made silly excuse and blown my ship.
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Alchemos
Gallente Middle School Comedy Club
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Posted - 2008.07.10 06:28:00 -
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Edited by: Alchemos on 10/07/2008 06:37:23 fake chat log. I would never say we have pirate honor. honor is for ***gots.
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ceyriot
Entropians on Vacation
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Posted - 2008.07.10 06:55:00 -
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Originally by: Alchemos first off, i did not talk to you because there is nothing to talk about. I asked for 40m you paid me 10m i killed you. In the future pay the ransom i ask or don't pay at all.
Bad ransom for a Drake, 40m? Seriously.
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Alchemos
Gallente Middle School Comedy Club
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Posted - 2008.07.10 06:59:00 -
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most mission running drakes are rigged and 40m is well worth it to them.
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Shade Aran
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Posted - 2008.07.10 07:12:00 -
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Originally by: Alchemos Edited by: Alchemos on 10/07/2008 06:37:23 fake chat log. I would never say we have pirate honor. honor is for ***gots.
Hehe now changing story after I have posted chat log. Trying to go around by saying I am lying. My Drake is not rigged. Why would I rig Drake if I will get Raven soon? Anyway rigs are expensive and I tend to loose Drakes (lost 4 already).
There is old proverb "a truth hurts most" and it seems this is the case here. Chat log just proves what I said at beginning in first post. How come you did not say I was lying then? You are saying it now because I found log thanks to helpful people on this forum.
Anyway you loose your credibility over 10 million. I have no reason to lie about all this for puny 10 million ISK. If it was more then you could make my post doubtful in other's eyes, now it is too late. It's your loss. I guess now you will tell that I never transfered you money, no wait, I got screen shot and you know it, so you will not say so :-)))
I have beaten all your reasoning until now (Drake offer, not paying money that you asked for) so you resort to childish reasoning and accusing others that lie. I asked you to post chat log and you did not do so. Bottom line is MSCC income will decrease.
If you wanna be honorable pirate admit mistake and give me back 10 mill ransom. I do not care much about money it is more about principle. Since you ae unable to admit mistake that will never happen and your "honor" is lost.
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AntonioBanderas
The Bastards
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Posted - 2008.07.10 08:18:00 -
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Originally by: Black momba22 Edited by: Black momba22 on 10/07/2008 02:05:35 Edited by: Black momba22 on 10/07/2008 02:01:31 Ok first off the procedure for the ransome was as followed
1. capture target 2. ask for money based on normal fit and pricing that the ship has 3 recive pay leave, recieve hateful comments kill, recive nothing for more then 10 seconds kill, recieve lower then asked ransome and alot of excuses kill.
The target in this case paid less money then what we asked for and had alot of excuses such as i only have 12 million and this ship is pure tech one fit( had over 158 mill after inquiry.) Since the target did not follow the above things that we do he got killed simple.
I had thought there was a bit of miscomunication or something so i offered to buy back his ship for 1 thrid of the price and he responded with posting a form about how we do not honur ransomes so now here we are.
I am sorry if the community does not like the way we do things but i do not see a rule book on how to ransome targets and if i had time to waste talking to a target for 10 mins about how he is gonna pay i would have probably already got attacked and killed by his back up which would be just sad.
O i am with mscc but, i forgot how to do the corp ticker thing under my name so yea
MSCC FOR LIFE.
do not be a stupid c.u.n.t. If he apyed and you blew his ship, YOU SEND ISK BACK. Now noone will ever pay you. The thing is m.o.r.o.n.s. like you are making life hard for all pirates. OFC noone will never pay ransom. Stupid c.u.n.t.s.
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techzer0
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.07.10 08:31:00 -
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Originally by: Shade Aran
Originally by: Alchemos Edited by: Alchemos on 10/07/2008 06:37:23 fake chat log. I would never say we have pirate honor. honor is for ***gots.
Hehe now changing story after I have posted chat log. Trying to go around by saying I am lying. My Drake is not rigged. Why would I rig Drake if I will get Raven soon? Anyway rigs are expensive and I tend to loose Drakes (lost 4 already).
If you rigged it, you'd have less chance of losing it in missions (On the other hand, if I rig a pvp ship... it's gonna die.)
I'm kinda interested to see if the MSCC guys pull a chat log of their own out ------------
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H Lecter
Gallente The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2008.07.10 08:36:00 -
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There are three possibilites:
1) Ransomee is lying 2) Ransomer mistyped 10 M instead of 40 M which would make sense as 12 M were offered prior to that and the 4 is above the 1 on a numeric keypad. 3) Ransomer is lying
I tend more towards option 2.
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Shade Aran
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Posted - 2008.07.10 09:01:00 -
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Edited by: Shade Aran on 10/07/2008 09:02:35
Originally by: Alchemos Edited by: Alchemos on 10/07/2008 06:37:23 fake chat log. I would never say we have pirate honor. honor is for ***gots.
Description field of MSCC corp say:
LOOK AT ALL THOSE ANIMALS!
Always honor 1v1s and ransoms.
It seems to me you have called yourself and all corp members ***gots :-)
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murder one
Gallente Invincible Reason
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Posted - 2008.07.10 09:29:00 -
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Originally by: Alchemos i don't care if its honorable or not. If i ask for 40m and the person sends me anything less the ransom is not paid and i will kill them.
But did you *agree* to the 10m? No? Then game on. Which is it?
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P'uck
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Posted - 2008.07.10 09:39:00 -
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I remember the days in C&P, not too long ago, when a thread about dishonoured bounties would show up, people would get evidence. rather quickly, too.
and then, if the accusations were true, the offending pirates would be spanked to their alpha clone and back.
These days there are too many prepubescent "pirates" that condone not honouring ransoms, and pirates will become what carebears always made them out to be: *******s/cs kiddies.
so, in memoriam ye olde days i ask for two things: 1) proof 2) spanking in rapid succession.
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Jaratsri
Amarr Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2008.07.10 09:53:00 -
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Problem can be solved quite simple,
If the pirates are keen on keeping there rep as people that can honour ransoms, pirate and the victim can get a screenshot of there chat logs, post them up here.
If it was a typo or miscommunications or the victim is just badmouthing pirates, we will see.
If 10 mil was agreed upon and the kill was made anyway, 10 mil back to the victim =)
If victim is lying, no more posting for you and the pirates are fully in the clear with there rep restored =)
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Black momba22
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Posted - 2008.07.10 10:05:00 -
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Originally by: AntonioBanderas Edited by: AntonioBanderas on 10/07/2008 08:26:19
Originally by: Black momba22 Edited by: Black momba22 on 10/07/2008 02:05:35 Edited by: Black momba22 on 10/07/2008 02:01:31 Ok first off the procedure for the ransome was as followed
1. capture target 2. ask for money based on normal fit and pricing that the ship has 3 recive pay leave, recieve hateful comments kill, recive nothing for more then 10 seconds kill, recieve lower then asked ransome and alot of excuses kill.
The target in this case paid less money then what we asked for and had alot of excuses such as i only have 12 million and this ship is pure tech one fit( had over 158 mill after inquiry.) Since the target did not follow the above things that we do he got killed simple.
I had thought there was a bit of miscomunication or something so i offered to buy back his ship for 1 thrid of the price and he responded with posting a form about how we do not honur ransomes so now here we are.
I am sorry if the community does not like the way we do things but i do not see a rule book on how to ransome targets and if i had time to waste talking to a target for 10 mins about how he is gonna pay i would have probably already got attacked and killed by his back up which would be just sad.
O i am with mscc but, i forgot how to do the corp ticker thing under my name so yea
MSCC FOR LIFE.
If he apyed and you blew his ship, YOU SEND ISK BACK. No matter if he lyed. You blew the ship. Your word is all you have. Now noone will ever pay you. The thing is m.o.r.o.n.s. like you are making life hard for all pirates. OFC noone will never pay ransom. Stupid c.u.n.t.s.
LoL it seems you have problems making money and collecting ransomes. Well don't blame it on us. Instead you might wan tot try things like improving your game play or jioning a corp with a better kill loss ratio.
In regards to your send isk back policy i guess he would have been lucky if he ran into you ( provided he got caught by you) and I guess lying about the amount of isky he has is something that you do not care about. We however do care about it and have the rules that i stated above for our corp policy. If you have a problem with it then don't get caught simple. I am not here to please anyone but myself our rules are fair enough and it is tobad that some people don't like it because we do not care. If you don't care about your ship so much maybe you should go get another one and quite whinning about how our rules are not fair to you. This is not a customer service this is pvp, deal with it.
Fyi who says ( WOOOOOOOOOO) in the middle of there sentence randomly and why did it take him so long to come up with that proof. I think that fact alone speaks for itself and shows it is a fake.
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Koken blackdude
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Posted - 2008.07.10 10:09:00 -
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Edited by: Koken blackdude on 10/07/2008 10:12:32
Originally by: Jaratsri Problem can be solved quite simple,
If the pirates are keen on keeping there rep as people that can honour ransoms, pirate and the victim can get a screenshot of there chat logs, post them up here.
If it was a typo or miscommunications or the victim is just badmouthing pirates, we will see.
If 10 mil was agreed upon and the kill was made anyway, 10 mil back to the victim =)
If victim is lying, no more posting for you and the pirates are fully in the clear with there rep restored =)
I agree with that but, unfortunealy we did not prt screen things till after the incident ( did not think it was not gonna cause this much fuss). So the only proof that is avaliable is the chat loggs which have already been ruined by our victum over there so even if we do post something anyone that is already on this guy's side will stay on this guys side anyway.
posted with alt by accident -_-. ( i am blackmomba still above)
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Shade Aran
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Posted - 2008.07.10 10:10:00 -
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Originally by: Jaratsri Problem can be solved quite simple,
If the pirates are keen on keeping there rep as people that can honour ransoms, pirate and the victim can get a screenshot of there chat logs, post them up here.
If it was a typo or miscommunications or the victim is just badmouthing pirates, we will see.
If 10 mil was agreed upon and the kill was made anyway, 10 mil back to the victim =)
If victim is lying, no more posting for you and the pirates are fully in the clear with there rep restored =)
Well I provided everything there is. I do not have screen shot of conversation. I am still new to this game so I did not thought of making one. I posted chat log which I found thanks to others and I did not alter it. I tried to set things straight with them over chat and all I got was try to scam me for another 10 million (Drake). At end they refused to refund ransom so I made post.
Would I really make so much fuss for 10 million if it was not truth? It is not like I had expensive ship. I had cheap Drake with insurance. At end my losses were minimal.
If you see my posts and replays and Alchemos ones you will see that his are random emotional short nonconstructive posts and mine are elaborate. That should give you idea if I was telling truth or not. I understand that such posts ruin corp reputation but since they refused to settle this privately I had to make it public.
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Tamia Clant
New Dawn Corp New Eden Research
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Posted - 2008.07.10 10:29:00 -
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Edited by: Tamia Clant on 10/07/2008 10:29:37 Alright, so neither of the sides has solid proof here. Well, that's a bit of a bummer.
But let's work with what we got:
OP starts this thread, describing the following events: - Pirate asks ransom for 40m - Victim says he only has 12m - Pirate asks for 10m ransom - Victim sends 10m - Pirate destroys ship
At this point, the OP could well be lying, we can't know for sure. However, let's take a look at the pirate's first reply:
Originally by: Alchemos first off, i did not talk to you because there is nothing to talk about. I asked for 40m you paid me 10m i killed you. In the future pay the ransom i ask or don't pay at all.
Now I ask you people, if you were in the pirate's position and the above events were false, is this the reply you would use? I don't think so, you'd be yelling "That's a lie!" all over the place. If you read the rest of his posts, he never denies having accepted the 10m ransom, despite being asked that question several times.
Furthermore, we got one of his corp mates with the following statement:
Originally by: Black momba22 In regards to your send isk back policy i guess he would have been lucky if he ran into you ( provided he got caught by you) and I guess lying about the amount of isky he has is something that you do not care about. We however do care about it and have the rules that i stated above for our corp policy. If you have a problem with it then don't get caught simple. I am not here to please anyone but myself our rules are fair enough and it is tobad that some people don't like it because we do not care. If you don't care about your ship so much maybe you should go get another one and quite whinning about how our rules are not fair to you. This is not a customer service this is pvp, deal with it.
Your policy, eh? The problem here is that your policy states that you can dishonor a ransom at any time if the victim can't pay it and asks for a lower amount, but then you have it written on your corp's description that you always honor 1v1s and ransoms. If that isn't a contradiction, I don't know what the frack it is.
Bottom line, either stop claiming to be honorable, or give back the 10m to the victim.
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techzer0
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.07.10 10:35:00 -
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NO U WILL NOT MAKE THREADNOUGHT IN C&P!!11111 ------------
Originally by: CCP Mitnal It's great being a puppetmaster
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Jaratsri
Amarr Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2008.07.10 10:47:00 -
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Indeed a tricky situation makes me wish for a better isk transfer tool.
As it stands now, isk is sent no matter is the receiving party wants it or not, only proof are chat logs that can be tampered with easily.
We should get a transfer of isk check box, do you want to receive this much isk from this character, yes / no.
The victims posts are constructive and the pirates post are a little on the rabid side, this is true, but anyone is well in there rights to get a little ****ed when your word is questioned, and pirates who want to live on ransom to do or die by there word and rep.
Ransoming anyone and then blowing them up after agreed price is paid is low, itÆs not even an elaborated scam.
And victims ranting about how pirates are lowlifes are all to common.
I sadly donÆt see anyone walking away with anything done here, might be a good praxis for pirates and victims to starts screenshotting there events as they happen heh.
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AntonioBanderas
The Bastards
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Posted - 2008.07.10 10:54:00 -
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Originally by: Black momba22
Originally by: AntonioBanderas Edited by: AntonioBanderas on 10/07/2008 08:26:19
Originally by: Black momba22 Edited by: Black momba22 on 10/07/2008 02:05:35 Edited by: Black momba22 on 10/07/2008 02:01:31 Ok first off the procedure for the ransome was as followed
1. capture target 2. ask for money based on normal fit and pricing that the ship has 3 recive pay leave, recieve hateful comments kill, recive nothing for more then 10 seconds kill, recieve lower then asked ransome and alot of excuses kill.
The target in this case paid less money then what we asked for and had alot of excuses such as i only have 12 million and this ship is pure tech one fit( had over 158 mill after inquiry.) Since the target did not follow the above things that we do he got killed simple.
I had thought there was a bit of miscomunication or something so i offered to buy back his ship for 1 thrid of the price and he responded with posting a form about how we do not honur ransomes so now here we are.
I am sorry if the community does not like the way we do things but i do not see a rule book on how to ransome targets and if i had time to waste talking to a target for 10 mins about how he is gonna pay i would have probably already got attacked and killed by his back up which would be just sad.
O i am with mscc but, i forgot how to do the corp ticker thing under my name so yea
MSCC FOR LIFE.
If he apyed and you blew his ship, YOU SEND ISK BACK. No matter if he lyed. You blew the ship. Your word is all you have. Now noone will ever pay you. The thing is m.o.r.o.n.s. like you are making life hard for all pirates. OFC noone will never pay ransom. Stupid c.u.n.t.s.
LoL it seems you have problems making money and collecting ransomes. Well don't blame it on us. Instead you might wan tot try things like improving your game play or jioning a corp with a better kill loss ratio.
In regards to your send isk back policy i guess he would have been lucky if he ran into you ( provided he got caught by you) and I guess lying about the amount of isky he has is something that you do not care about. We however do care about it and have the rules that i stated above for our corp policy. If you have a problem with it then don't get caught simple. I am not here to please anyone but myself our rules are fair enough and it is tobad that some people don't like it because we do not care. If you don't care about your ship so much maybe you should go get another one and quite whinning about how our rules are not fair to you. This is not a customer service this is pvp, deal with it.
Dear sir, our KB speaks for itself. Please DO check it out before you start spitting venom around. it's the least you could do. You obviously dont' really get that honor WILL pay off eventually. There's a particualry nice story about drake and later (same pilot) CNR and not blowing them and a big blinky-blink my corpmates had, which i wont' get into now 'cuase it's pointless. Yes, if we caught him and he payed ANYTHING less than ransom, and he popped, we would have payed isk back (and did it more than once). it doesn't matter if it was a lie, lapsus calami or something else. Ppl don't pay anymore because, and i will quote: 'you're all pirate s****and gonna blow me up anyway so go f.u.c.k. yourselves' and than person blocks us. So, in my eyes you're not trustworthy and, tbh, if i was caught doing a mission (if i woudl do a mission), i wouldn't pay also, just because of ppl like you and your marry band. So imho you deserve every bit of smack and flame you recieve here, and than some. YOU ARE LAME.
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Durzel
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.07.10 10:58:00 -
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Originally by: Jaratsri Indeed a tricky situation makes me wish for a better isk transfer tool.
As it stands now, isk is sent no matter is the receiving party wants it or not, only proof are chat logs that can be tampered with easily.
Contracts can be used for this quite effectively, although they take longer than it takes to just "Send Money".
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Jaratsri
Amarr Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2008.07.10 11:12:00 -
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Originally by: Durzel
Originally by: Jaratsri Indeed a tricky situation makes me wish for a better isk transfer tool.
As it stands now, isk is sent no matter is the receiving party wants it or not, only proof are chat logs that can be tampered with easily.
Contracts can be used for this quite effectively, although they take longer than it takes to just "Send Money".
True, or as I was just thinking about, make chat logs protected against tampering.
But a simple yes/no check box would be good, then again, it takes away the opportunity for the victim to try to fool a newbie pirate by "forgetting" a 0 or two at the end of the ransom.
Pirating and ransoms ARE serious business
I'm no dev or computer wiz, just thinking out loud.
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Larkonis Trassler
Neo Spartans
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Posted - 2008.07.10 11:22:00 -
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Edited by: Larkonis Trassler on 10/07/2008 11:24:23 You find that most pie corps who dishonour ransoms are amateurs and don't last very long, not because of forum whinage like this, but just generally because they suck.
9/10 if we ransom your ship we will have scanned it as well and could probably do with the money and repeat custom more than any rubbish loot you have fitted... Shield tanking medium railgun hype AMIRITE?
It really irks me when people say 'Don't pay ransoms, don't support piracy' If less and less people pay us ransoms then we will stop bothering with the invites and ultimately kill people who would have been willing to pay. It will certainly not put us out of business.
EDIT But yeah. If anything less than what I ask or is agreed upon is sent I consider it a gift. EG: Me: 40 mil or your ship goes pop Noob: I only have 10 mil here take that. Me: No 40 or die *wallet blinks* Me: Oh thanks *Explosion* Assumption of Risk |
Black momba22
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Posted - 2008.07.10 11:34:00 -
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Edited by: Black momba22 on 10/07/2008 11:42:35 Edited by: Black momba22 on 10/07/2008 11:38:16 Dear sir, our KB speaks for itself. Please DO check it out before you start spitting venom around. it's the least you could do.
You obviously dont' really get that honor WILL pay off eventually. There's a particualry nice story about drake and later (same pilot) CNR and not blowing them and a big blinky-blink my corpmates had, which i wont' get into now 'cuase it's pointless. Yes, if we caught him and he payed ANYTHING less than ransom, and he popped, we would have payed isk back (and did it more than once). it doesn't matter if it was a lie, lapsus calami or something else.
Ppl don't pay anymore because, and i will quote: 'you're all pirate s****and gonna blow me up anyway so go f.u.c.k. yourselves' and than person blocks us. So, in my eyes you're not trustworthy and, tbh, if i was caught doing a mission (if i woudl do a mission), i wouldn't pay also, just because of ppl like you and your marry band. So imho you deserve every bit of smack and flame you recieve here, and than some. YOU ARE LAME.
In response to this comment ( the qoute thing said to many caracters or something)
http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/156/thebasterdskillrecsj4.jpg your kill board 83% not bad
http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/8926/mscckillstuffer5.jpg ours 95% better then yours
now based on those who is better
p.s if you check battle clinc we have 4:1 while you have 2:1.
congrats you made your corp look like a bunch of ****** and you use tech 1.
Any further complaints come down to hysera we will deal with you.
p.s just cause half your kills are defensless pods does not make you a good pvper work on going after ships with guns other then a bunch of industrials and frigs.
MSCC FOR LIFEEEE
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Gonada
Gallente Cross Roads Ouroboros Cross Combine
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Posted - 2008.07.10 11:41:00 -
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I cry crystal tears for you OP, seriously..... not.
fly what you can afford to loose... shows real character to come to the boards crying bout loosing a drake, not. sure you didnt come here from WoW?
-I don't necessarily agree with everything I say.- -nerf Missles-
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Exlegion
New Light Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.10 11:41:00 -
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Originally by: Alchemos Edited by: Alchemos on 10/07/2008 06:37:23 fake chat log. I would never say we have pirate honor. honor is for ***gots.
and Quote: Always honor 1v1s and ransoms.
Lots of inconsistencies in your story, particularly the above.
One of us equals many of us. Disrespect one of us, you'll see plenty of us. - Gang Starr |
Shade Aran
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Posted - 2008.07.10 11:55:00 -
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Originally by: Gonada I cry crystal tears for you OP, seriously..... not.
fly what you can afford to loose... shows real character to come to the boards crying bout loosing a drake, not. sure you didnt come here from WoW?
I never cried about Drake. I was complaining about dishonored ransom. I got insurance n Drake so don't care about fact it was blown up. Read post better before replying. It will save you from disgracing yourself with such replays.
Originally by: Black momba22 Edited by: Black momba22 on 10/07/2008 11:49:48 http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/156/thebasterdskillrecsj4.jpg your kill board 83% not bad
http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/8926/mscckillstuffer5.jpg ours 95% better then yours
Since you (MSCC) operate in 0.4 region and others 0.0 isn't it logical that they have higher losses since opponents in 0.0 are more experienced and dangerous?
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DeathWarrior
Caldari Middle School Comedy Club
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Posted - 2008.07.10 12:10:00 -
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In the same vein, while we kill you if you pay less than what we ask, we will also kill you if you pay more.
So, just be aware of that.
Thanks
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Black momba22
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Posted - 2008.07.10 12:14:00 -
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Originally by: Shade Aran
Originally by: Gonada I cry crystal tears for you OP, seriously..... not.
fly what you can afford to loose... shows real character to come to the boards crying bout loosing a drake, not. sure you didnt come here from WoW?
I never cried about Drake. I was complaining about dishonored ransom. I got insurance n Drake so don't care about fact it was blown up. Read post better before replying. It will save you from disgracing yourself with such replays.
Originally by: Black momba22 Edited by: Black momba22 on 10/07/2008 11:49:48 http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/156/thebasterdskillrecsj4.jpg your kill board 83% not bad
http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/8926/mscckillstuffer5.jpg ours 95% better then yours
Since you (MSCC) operate in 0.4 region and others 0.0 isn't it logical that they have higher losses since opponents in 0.0 are more experienced and dangerous?
They operate in low sec it is just that the area of the kill has not loaded yet or something like that
search there kill board for more details on there corp and you can see a full read out I just wanted to highlight how our corp has a better record then his.
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2008.07.10 12:16:00 -
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Edited by: Chribba on 10/07/2008 12:16:05
Originally by: DeathWarrior In the same vein, while we kill you if you pay less than what we ask, we will also kill you if you pay more.
So, just be aware of that.
Thanks
Dang! So when that celebrity ransom of 25ISK comes and I accidently pay 25B you will pop my Veldatar! I'm sooooo going to logoffski when I see you in local
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Shade Aran
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Posted - 2008.07.10 12:16:00 -
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Originally by: DeathWarrior In the same vein, while we kill you if you pay less than what we ask, we will also kill you if you pay more.
So, just be aware of that.
Thanks
Check chat log. He asked for 10 mill later and I gave 10 million. I did not pay more nor less. So yet again comment from MSCC does not hold water.
You could've saved yourself from disgrace if you had given me back ransom when I did private conversation with your corp inside game. Now it is public. Your reputation is currently worth only 0.1 ISK. You can thank your CEO for that.
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Black momba22
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Posted - 2008.07.10 12:22:00 -
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Originally by: Shade Aran
Originally by: Gonada I cry crystal tears for you OP, seriously..... not.
fly what you can afford to loose... shows real character to come to the boards crying bout loosing a drake, not. sure you didnt come here from WoW?
I never cried about Drake. I was complaining about dishonored ransom. I got insurance n Drake so don't care about fact it was blown up. Read post better before replying. It will save you from disgracing yourself with such replays.
Originally by: Black momba22 Edited by: Black momba22 on 10/07/2008 11:49:48 http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/156/thebasterdskillrecsj4.jpg your kill board 83% not bad
http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/8926/mscckillstuffer5.jpg ours 95% better then yours
Since you (MSCC) operate in 0.4 region and others 0.0 isn't it logical that they have higher losses since opponents in 0.0 are more experienced and dangerous?
Another thing about 0.0 the oppenets in 0.0 are not more dangerous or harder to kill. The fact is through my experiance 0.0 pvp is more fleet battles and nano ships vs. low sec pvp is more b ship fight on gates while dealing with sentry guns and smaller group fights. That being said both types of fighting can be found in both areas of the game but i think a large amount of players will disagree with your statment that more experianced players are in 0.0. It is just a different style of play.
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Black momba22
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Posted - 2008.07.10 12:23:00 -
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Originally by: Chribba Edited by: Chribba on 10/07/2008 12:16:05
Originally by: DeathWarrior In the same vein, while we kill you if you pay less than what we ask, we will also kill you if you pay more.
So, just be aware of that.
Thanks
Dang! So when that celebrity ransom of 25ISK comes and I accidently pay 25B you will pop my Veldatar! I'm sooooo going to logoffski when I see you in local
OMG ITS CHIBBAAAAA THANK YOU FOR EVE FILESSSSSSSSSSSSSS
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Sol'Kanar
Minmatar NightCrew
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Posted - 2008.07.10 12:24:00 -
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Hi-sec noob pirate posting in a low-sec pirate non-honorable-ransom post!
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Jaratsri
Amarr Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2008.07.10 12:43:00 -
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Right, this thread is now officially weird...
Pirates left and right, victims, isk and harsh words flying about and in the middle of it all.. Chribba ?
The king of care bears, veldspar and general all around awesome guy in a ransom thread, what did I put in my coffee ?
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Krij
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Posted - 2008.07.10 12:51:00 -
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Originally by: Gonada I cry crystal tears for you OP, seriously..... not.
fly what you can afford to loose... shows real character to come to the boards crying bout loosing a drake, not. sure you didnt come here from WoW?
YES! I win 5 million isk!
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AntonioBanderas
The Bastards
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Posted - 2008.07.10 13:16:00 -
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Edited by: AntonioBanderas on 10/07/2008 13:24:06
Originally by: Black momba22
http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/156/thebasterdskillrecsj4.jpg your kill board 83% not bad
http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/8926/mscckillstuffer5.jpg ours 95% better then yours
now based on those who is better
p.s if you check battle clinc we have 4:1 while you have 2:1.
congrats you made your corp look like a bunch of ****** and you use fail set ups( nano hurricane -_-) get a vaga.
Any further complaints come down to hysera we will deal with you.
p.s just cause half your kills are defensless pods does not make you a good pvper work on going after ships with guns other then a bunch of industrials and frigs.
MSCC FOR LIFEEEE
i feel sorry for you if you are resorting to stroking your e-peen and busting your chest with numbers. Oh, you're so awesome i'm trembling already. My dic-k is bigger than yours, and my dad is stronger than your, so what? Also, WE HONOR RANSOMS.
My fits are situational and work flawlessly in situations i take them into, it's your defect you can't think of ways utilizing it. or think outside of the box. Or think at all.
This wasn't about who's better pvper, if i wanted flamewar i'd go in caod. This is about you guys being lame, taking isk AND killing the ship. It's about you guys bringing bad name to all pirates and no amount of dirt you throw my way (or toward my corp) can change it. Resorting to personal insults only shows your lack of arguments. And your general maturity.
Lamers...
P.S. Oh, and about you commenting our kills... I shall not give you satisfaction to sink to that level. Only, your lack of basic math skills saddens me. Also, WE HONOR RANSOMS
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Modrak Vseth
Veto.
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Posted - 2008.07.10 13:39:00 -
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Originally by: DeathWarrior In the same vein, while we kill you if you pay less than what we ask, we will also kill you if you pay more.
So, just be aware of that.
Thanks
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Koken blackdude
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Posted - 2008.07.10 14:49:00 -
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Edited by: Koken blackdude on 10/07/2008 14:51:53
Originally by: AntonioBanderas Edited by: AntonioBanderas on 10/07/2008 13:24:06
Originally by: Black momba22
http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/156/thebasterdskillrecsj4.jpg your kill board 83% not bad
http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/8926/mscckillstuffer5.jpg ours 95% better then yours
now based on those who is better
p.s if you check battle clinc we have 4:1 while you have 2:1.
congrats you made your corp look like a bunch of ****** and you use fail set ups( nano hurricane -_-) get a vaga.
Any further complaints come down to hysera we will deal with you.
p.s just cause half your kills are defensless pods does not make you a good pvper work on going after ships with guns other then a bunch of industrials and frigs.
MSCC FOR LIFEEEE
i feel sorry for you if you are resorting to stroking your e-peen and busting your chest with numbers. Oh, you're so awesome i'm trembling already. My dic-k is bigger than yours, and my dad is stronger than your, so what? Also, WE HONOR RANSOMS.
My fits are situational and work flawlessly in situations i take them into, it's your defect you can't think of ways utilizing it. or think outside of the box. Or think at all.
This wasn't about who's better pvper, if i wanted flamewar i'd go in caod. This is about you guys being lame, taking isk AND killing the ship. It's about you guys bringing bad name to all pirates and no amount of dirt you throw my way (or toward my corp) can change it. Resorting to personal insults only shows your lack of arguments. And your general maturity.
Lamers...
P.S. Oh, and about you commenting our kills... I shall not give you satisfaction to sink to that level. Only, your lack of basic math skills saddens me. Also, WE HONOR RANSOMS
WOW you have obviously not read your past post because the only one here using personal comments is you. ( c.u.n.t, lamer ) are considered personal comments fyi. The only thing I have outlined is that my corp is better then yours in response to you telling me to check your kill board. Your corp is not as good as ours deal with it.
To the main topic you were not there you have no clue what happened so before you start shouting your mouth off about how we disrespect pirates you should look at your pathetic gank record and see how you disrespect honurable pvp. As I had told you before instead of blaming us for your faliures to ransome you might want to try more skillz better pvp and maybe a new corp.
I have no clue what you base the sucess of this game on but, in regards to pvp the kill board shows how succesful your corp is in pvp and frankly ours is better then yours.
And yea sure think outside the box but, when your nano ship dies to a bunch of bs's then you might want to try to go back into that box. fyi( vaga has tracking at high speeds hurricane does not )
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Black momba22
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Posted - 2008.07.10 14:55:00 -
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Edited by: Black momba22 on 10/07/2008 14:58:03
Originally by: AntonioBanderas Edited by: AntonioBanderas on 10/07/2008 13:24:06
Originally by: Black momba22
http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/156/thebasterdskillrecsj4.jpg your kill board 83% not bad
http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/8926/mscckillstuffer5.jpg ours 95% better then yours
now based on those who is better
p.s if you check battle clinc we have 4:1 while you have 2:1.
congrats you made your corp look like a bunch of ****** and you use fail set ups( nano hurricane -_-) get a vaga.
Any further complaints come down to hysera we will deal with you.
p.s just cause half your kills are defensless pods does not make you a good pvper work on going after ships with guns other then a bunch of industrials and frigs.
MSCC FOR LIFEEEE
i feel sorry for you if you are resorting to stroking your e-peen and busting your chest with numbers. Oh, you're so awesome i'm trembling already. My dic-k is bigger than yours, and my dad is stronger than your, so what? Also, WE HONOR RANSOMS.
My fits are situational and work flawlessly in situations i take them into, it's your defect you can't think of ways utilizing it. or think outside of the box. Or think at all.
This wasn't about who's better pvper, if i wanted flamewar i'd go in caod. This is about you guys being lame, taking isk AND killing the ship. It's about you guys bringing bad name to all pirates and no amount of dirt you throw my way (or toward my corp) can change it. Resorting to personal insults only shows your lack of arguments. And your general maturity.
Lamers...
P.S. Oh, and about you commenting our kills... I shall not give you satisfaction to sink to that level. Only, your lack of basic math skills saddens me. Also, WE HONOR RANSOMS
Please also explain how my math skills are sad. You telling me it is better to get 83% then 95%. If so someone needs to go back and count from 1 to 100. Last time i checked the closer to 100% the closer you are to perfect.
( used alt again by accident)
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Traidor Disloyal
NightCrew
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Posted - 2008.07.10 15:17:00 -
[71]
Why do people make things so complicated?
1. Ask for ransom 2. If get ransom then kill ship 3. If don't get ransom then kill ship
What's so hard about that?
Worse comes to worse just kill everything and collect the loot. All this talking of ransom just delays the pretty light show of exploding pixels which is what this game is all about anyway.
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AntonioBanderas
The Bastards
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Posted - 2008.07.10 15:23:00 -
[72]
sheer stupidity you gentleman show is astonishing. No, well, it's nto really stupidity, it's kind of selective comprehending.
And i am aware that arguing with you is pointless. There's a saying about arguning woth morons but yeah, i'm not at work anymore and now you bore me so i'll let this go.
Still, by attcking me and my corp doesn't change the fact that you're dishonest. It was a nice try tp derail this thread, but i will not let this happen. So i will leave you to the sharks here on c&p.
You can continue enjoying your statistical superirity while i continue to have fun.
Still, YOU SUCK.
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Re Seller
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Posted - 2008.07.10 15:25:00 -
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To recap: 1. Catch 2. Ransom 3. if ransom payed, leave 4. else if ransom refused, kill
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Tai Paktu
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2008.07.10 15:32:00 -
[74]
Still waiting on proof. We've seen chatlogs from the OP. They'be been accused of being faked. MSCC care to provide non-fake logs?
Proof or STFU is the key concept here. ______
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Black momba22
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Posted - 2008.07.10 15:42:00 -
[75]
Edited by: Black momba22 on 10/07/2008 15:44:07 Unfortunatly i do not have the chat loggs because i was not the one to start the rasome.
If my ceo desides to waste time on this thread and post something he might post the orginal ones but, that is up to him.
How we do things works for us and frankly i does not matter what some of you think cause we gonna do it like that until we decide to stop playing the game. If you have a problem with our way of ransomeing don't get caught simple.
(lol i think that other guy just posted another personal attack XD)
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Omegamale
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Posted - 2008.07.10 15:55:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Koken blackdude
And yea sure think outside the box but, when your nano ship dies to a bunch of bs's then you might want to try to go back into that box. fyi( vaga has tracking at high speeds hurricane does not )
Eh?
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monkfish1234
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Posted - 2008.07.10 16:05:00 -
[77]
you posted to warn people that pirates aren't trustworthy? unless it's me that kinda goes wothout saying :s
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Arvald
Caldari Aurora Acclivitous Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2008.07.10 16:07:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Tamia Clant
Originally by: Alchemos i don't care if its honorable or not. If i ask for 40m and the person sends me anything less the ransom is not paid and i will kill them.
Fair enough, if you asked for 40m and he sent 10m without having you agree to it, I'm actually on your side.
this
Originally by: Xanos Blackpaw Stealthbomber combat (or as i like to call it: Just because you are paranoid don't mean there isnt a invisible demon about to eat your face) |
Arvald
Caldari Aurora Acclivitous Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2008.07.10 16:15:00 -
[79]
Originally by: AntonioBanderas Edited by: AntonioBanderas on 10/07/2008 08:26:19
Originally by: Black momba22 Edited by: Black momba22 on 10/07/2008 02:05:35 Edited by: Black momba22 on 10/07/2008 02:01:31 Ok first off the procedure for the ransome was as followed
1. capture target 2. ask for money based on normal fit and pricing that the ship has 3 recive pay leave, recieve hateful comments kill, recive nothing for more then 10 seconds kill, recieve lower then asked ransome and alot of excuses kill.
The target in this case paid less money then what we asked for and had alot of excuses such as i only have 12 million and this ship is pure tech one fit( had over 158 mill after inquiry.) Since the target did not follow the above things that we do he got killed simple.
I had thought there was a bit of miscomunication or something so i offered to buy back his ship for 1 thrid of the price and he responded with posting a form about how we do not honur ransomes so now here we are.
I am sorry if the community does not like the way we do things but i do not see a rule book on how to ransome targets and if i had time to waste talking to a target for 10 mins about how he is gonna pay i would have probably already got attacked and killed by his back up which would be just sad.
O i am with mscc but, i forgot how to do the corp ticker thing under my name so yea
MSCC FOR LIFE.
If he apyed and you blew his ship, YOU SEND ISK BACK. No matter if he lyed. You blew the ship. Your word is all you have. Now noone will ever pay you. The thing is m.o.r.o.n.s. like you are making life hard for all pirates. OFC noone will never pay ransom. Stupid c.u.n.t.s.
nope, if someone transfers the wrong ammount of isk you keep it as a donation and teach them a lesson for next time they get ransomed
Originally by: Xanos Blackpaw Stealthbomber combat (or as i like to call it: Just because you are paranoid don't mean there isnt a invisible demon about to eat your face) |
Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.07.10 16:15:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Shade Aran
Originally by: Venkul Mul
Chat log can be found under: EVE/logs/chatlogs . Unless you have changed the settings they are automatically saved.
No such directory here. I just installed EVE as it is (2 month ago). Didn't touch settings. Too bad. Anyway no point in continuing.I did what I wanted - warn ppl about them. This all fuss is over 10 million ISK. Hardly worth a trouble but since he said he has Pirate honor and can trust him and then betrayed it (he is also CEO of corp with can give you picture about whole corp) I made this post.
Thank you all for replays. I read old post about pirate honor so it seems things changed in meantime. Now I know what to expect.
Try: Desktop/Documents/EVE/logs/chatlogs .
As an alternative search for the chatlogs directory
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Yiv
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Posted - 2008.07.10 16:16:00 -
[81]
Ask for a 80085 ransom or add this to a low security status individual without a bounty. It looks like Boobs (BOOBS) tee hee hee.
*climbs back in his box*
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Alchemos
Gallente Middle School Comedy Club
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Posted - 2008.07.10 16:17:00 -
[82]
This thread is pretty ******ed. Black momba is ******ed and posts way to many words that even i do not care to read.
Thing is if you pay us anything less then i ask ill kill you same thing with more. Paying our ransoms is a very exact science. I never asked for 10m he added that in. Thats why in the chatlog i accuse him of lieing because he sent 10m not 40m. Believe him or believe me. Only thing that annoys me about this thread is black momba who is trying to jack off over killboards.
On a side note did you see our logo, that is alot of animals.
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Sindavathar
Caldari Short Bus Mecha Ducks and Friends
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Posted - 2008.07.10 16:44:00 -
[83]
This thread is just getting hilarious, Quoting now is stupid because you have like 15 quotes when your trying to quote 1. -They don't honor the ransom kill them. Otherwise might as well just kill them to start of with. -And rigs on drake > t1 raven. -0.0 fights = blobs -faction fights = blobs -and if he caught you in the mission then you just suck. -no law means...uhm...no law? no law =< 0.4
you lost a ship suck it up get a new one come back for revenge problem solved.
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Shade Aran
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Posted - 2008.07.10 16:49:00 -
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Edited by: Shade Aran on 10/07/2008 16:55:10
Originally by: Alchemos This thread is pretty ******ed. Black momba is ******ed and posts way to many words that even i do not care to read.
Thing is if you pay us anything less then i ask ill kill you same thing with more. Paying our ransoms is a very exact science. I never asked for 10m he added that in. Thats why in the chatlog i accuse him of lieing because he sent 10m not 40m. Believe him or believe me. Only thing that annoys me about this thread is black momba who is trying to jack off over killboards.
On a side note did you see our logo, that is alot of animals.
Chat log say all. As for your corp description, as you have indirectly said before, says you are bunch of ***gots. No wander you did not honor ransom. It is your loss. All this for puny 10 mill. You are really pathetic.
And for third time - I do not care about loosing ship. Ship was worth 32 mill and was insured so I don't care about loosing it. I just said that they do not honor ransom. That is all to it. This is not about skills, gain or loss of money - it is just post that shows that MSCC can't be trusted and no one should pay them ransom. Just hit self-destruct if you are caught. It will save you lots of ISK.
Btw why my Drake is not in kill list on your (MSCC) killboard? Afraid to show that my drake was not rigged and was very cheaply fitted? I understand, you don't want to show something that yet again proves that I am telling truth and you are sticking to your old story that I lied.
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Alchemos
Gallente Middle School Comedy Club
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Posted - 2008.07.10 17:03:00 -
[85]
Edited by: Alchemos on 10/07/2008 17:05:09 i just kill so many drakes and forget to post their killmails. Killing a drake is nothing to be proud of.
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Channel ID: 2133594025 Channel Name: Private Chat (alone) Listener: Alchemos Session started: 2008.07.09 20:32:48 ---------------------------------------------------------------
[ 2008.07.09 20:32:54 ] Alchemos > ransom? [ 2008.07.09 20:33:15 ] Sekki Shin > sure...but how can I know you won;t blow my ship? last time I payed to some1 he blown my ship [ 2008.07.09 20:33:29 ] Alchemos > 40m [ 2008.07.09 20:33:39 ] Alchemos > and you live and can mission here for 2 hours [ 2008.07.09 20:33:46 ] Sekki Shin > lol my ship is worth less [ 2008.07.09 20:33:58 ] Alchemos > so how much you wanna pay? [ 2008.07.09 20:34:02 ] Sekki Shin > check my char...very young [ 2008.07.09 20:34:17 ] Sekki Shin > 10 mill cause I am newby? ;-) [ 2008.07.09 20:34:22 ] Alchemos > 40mill and you live [ 2008.07.09 20:34:27 ] Sekki Shin > 10 mill all i got : ( [ 2008.07.09 20:34:31 ] Sekki Shin > transftering [ 2008.07.09 20:34:50 ] Alchemos > THIS IS WHAT I DO TO PEOPLE WHO LIE ABOUT ISK, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO [ 2008.07.09 20:34:51 ] Sekki Shin > done [ 2008.07.09 20:35:04 ] Sekki Shin > isk? [ 2008.07.09 20:35:09 ] Sekki Shin > I did not lie [ 2008.07.09 20:35:09 ] Alchemos > you have more then 10m
is the chat log that is real. Take it or leave it. This is just like McCain vs Obama on public financing. We are the honorable war hero McCain and this guy is BARACK HUSSIEN OSAMA.
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Shade Aran
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Posted - 2008.07.10 17:07:00 -
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Originally by: Alchemos Edited by: Alchemos on 10/07/2008 17:05:09 i just kill so many drakes and forget to post their killmails. Killing a drake is nothing to be proud of.
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Channel ID: 2133594025 Channel Name: Private Chat (alone) Listener: Alchemos Session started: 2008.07.09 20:32:48 ---------------------------------------------------------------
[ 2008.07.09 20:32:54 ] Alchemos > ransom? [ 2008.07.09 20:33:15 ] Sekki Shin > sure...but how can I know you won;t blow my ship? last time I payed to some1 he blown my ship [ 2008.07.09 20:33:29 ] Alchemos > 40m [ 2008.07.09 20:33:39 ] Alchemos > and you live and can mission here for 2 hours [ 2008.07.09 20:33:46 ] Sekki Shin > lol my ship is worth less [ 2008.07.09 20:33:58 ] Alchemos > so how much you wanna pay? [ 2008.07.09 20:34:02 ] Sekki Shin > check my char...very young [ 2008.07.09 20:34:17 ] Sekki Shin > 10 mill cause I am newby? ;-) [ 2008.07.09 20:34:22 ] Alchemos > 40mill and you live [ 2008.07.09 20:34:27 ] Sekki Shin > 10 mill all i got : ( [ 2008.07.09 20:34:31 ] Sekki Shin > transftering [ 2008.07.09 20:34:50 ] Alchemos > THIS IS WHAT I DO TO PEOPLE WHO LIE ABOUT ISK, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO [ 2008.07.09 20:34:51 ] Sekki Shin > done [ 2008.07.09 20:35:04 ] Sekki Shin > isk? [ 2008.07.09 20:35:09 ] Sekki Shin > I did not lie [ 2008.07.09 20:35:09 ] Alchemos > you have more then 10m
is the chat log that is real. Take it or leave it. This is just like McCain vs Obama on public financing. We are the honorable war hero McCain and this guy is BARACK HUSSIEN OSAMA.
Damn you are slow...it took you 12 hours to edit log and change it.
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Alchemos
Gallente Middle School Comedy Club
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Posted - 2008.07.10 17:08:00 -
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Edited by: Alchemos on 10/07/2008 17:09:37 by that logic you took 6 hours to edit yours? i just did not think i would need to post it. But obviously i did so there it is. If you don't wanna believe my version of the story you won't believe the chatlog either so it is useless but some people asked for it for whatever reason.
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Alchemos
Gallente Middle School Comedy Club
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Posted - 2008.07.10 17:12:00 -
[88]
ha shade aran i get it like the World of Warcraft boss.
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Judge Awesomepossum
Minmatar Middle School Comedy Club
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Posted - 2008.07.10 17:12:00 -
[89]
Edited by: Judge Awesomepossum on 10/07/2008 17:12:45 Hi! I'm Judge Awesomepossum! I know what I'm talking about.
The OP is an idiot. A Class-A moron. A simpleton. An ignoramus. A dweeb and a racist.
Look, Shade is good at faking chatlogs we all know this, so why do we even listen to the crazy rantings of neo-Pol Pot? Lets look into our hearts people and say "NO" to Shade Aran.
McCain 2008
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Shade Aran
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Posted - 2008.07.10 17:15:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Judge Awesomepossum Edited by: Judge Awesomepossum on 10/07/2008 17:12:45 Hi! I'm Judge Awesomepossum! I know what I'm talking about.
The OP is an idiot. A Class-A moron. A simpleton. An ignoramus. A dweeb and a racist.
Look, Shade is good at faking chatlogs we all know this, so why do we even listen to the crazy rantings of neo-Pol Pot? Lets look into our hearts people and say "NO" to Shade Aran.
McCain 2008
Says member of MSCC. I rest my case. I posted log late because I did not know location of it. Other people helped me find it.
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Alben Jefferson
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Posted - 2008.07.10 17:17:00 -
[91]
Originally by: Shade Aran
Says member of MSCC. I rest my case. I posted log late because I did not know location of it. Other people helped me find it.
Rest your case? Are you a lawyer now? Where is your certificate of authenticity? I rest MY case people, this guy is a liar and a thief. He stole 20mill from my wallet earlier today and i reported him.
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Judge Awesomepossum
Minmatar Middle School Comedy Club
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Posted - 2008.07.10 17:19:00 -
[92]
I think we should all report Shade Aran for stealing. I've already reported him, do YOUR part patriots for this is our finest hour.
LET THE EAGLE SOAR
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Alchemos
Gallente Middle School Comedy Club
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Posted - 2008.07.10 17:20:00 -
[93]
i reported him for stealing lieing and ****. He also screamed racist sayings while raping me. This will not stand.
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Shade Aran
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Posted - 2008.07.10 17:24:00 -
[94]
Originally by: Judge Awesomepossum I think we should all report Shade Aran for stealing. I've already reported him, do YOUR part patriots for this is our finest hour.
LET THE EAGLE SOAR
Hehe trying to change direction of topic. Feel free to do so. It is too late now. People already know you can't be trusted. That was my goal and I accomplished it by telling truth.
Thank you all for seeing this topic and giving replays. Some words I used might have been harsh and I apologize if I have offended someone. Anyway have fun with game and play it in any way you find it to be most fun. This is my last post to this topic. No need to give any more attention to it.
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Alchemos
Gallente Middle School Comedy Club
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Posted - 2008.07.10 17:24:00 -
[95]
you afraid of attention now that everyone knows you are dumb?
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Alben Jefferson
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Posted - 2008.07.10 17:30:00 -
[96]
Edited by: Alben Jefferson on 10/07/2008 17:30:45
Originally by: Shade Aran
Originally by: Judge Awesomepossum I think we should all report Shade Aran for stealing. I've already reported him, do YOUR part patriots for this is our finest hour.
LET THE EAGLE SOAR
Hehe trying to change direction of topic. Feel free to do so. It is too late now. People already know you can't be trusted. That was my goal and I accomplished it by telling truth.
Thank you all for seeing this topic and giving replays. Some words I used might have been harsh and I apologize if I have offended someone. Anyway have fun with game and play it in any way you find it to be most fun. This is my last post to this topic. No need to give any more attention to it.
"You can't fool all the people all of the time but if you fool the right ones then the rest will fall behind"
Mission accomplished for you huh? The propaganda by this godless hack is ripping apart the fabric of what makes this great nation of ours great. If you believe in what he says, why live on? Why live knowing that you're listening to a flip-flopper like Shade Aran?
Now he is running away, who would want to follow a person who runs away constantly, steals isk AND fakes chatlogs? That's not America, THATS NOT EVEN CANADA.
The truth is that is he was right he would stay in this thread and not run away. Hes a liar.
>^.^<
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Tchell Dahhn
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.07.10 17:44:00 -
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Originally by: Shade Aran [ 2008.07.09 20:34:22 ] Alchemos > 10mill and you live [ 2008.07.09 20:34:26 ] Sekki Shin > tnx [ 2008.07.09 20:34:30 ] Sekki Shin > transftering [ 2008.07.09 20:34:51 ] Sekki Shin > done
Wait.
So, it only took you four seconds after he offered 10 mil to respond? I doubt that.
I also doubt this is true, because while you spell "Million" as "mill", with two "L's", you have his response with two "L's" as well. If you note earlier in your post, he offered you a ransom of "40m"... People don't change their method of posting mid-stream.
You sir, are a liar.
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Moya81
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Posted - 2008.07.10 18:09:00 -
[98]
Posting in special olympics thread
Woooooooooooooo
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Alchemos
Gallente Middle School Comedy Club
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Posted - 2008.07.10 18:30:00 -
[99]
Edited by: Alchemos on 10/07/2008 18:30:54 WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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DeathWarrior
Caldari Middle School Comedy Club
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Posted - 2008.07.11 00:22:00 -
[100]
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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Ambrosious Martin
Son of Man
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Posted - 2008.07.11 01:27:00 -
[101]
Edited by: Ambrosious Martin on 11/07/2008 01:28:31
Quote: The OP is an idiot. A Class-A moron. A simpleton. An ignoramus. A dweeb and a racist.
Ok now I dont even want to get involved in the whole bad pirate good pirate thing but I must say your the only one here thats an idiot Class-A moron, a simpleton, an ignoramus, a Dweeb, a Racist...
Quote: McCain 2008
^--- For this reason totally... who the hell wants a man thats about to die in our office.. lets see if we can ruin the United States of America even more.!!!
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Ambrosious Martin
Son of Man
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Posted - 2008.07.11 01:34:00 -
[102]
Originally by: Alchemos i reported him for stealing lieing and ****. He also screamed racist sayings while raping me. This will not stand.
Yeah and then we can all call ourselves middleschool children... I hear the pirates whining about being proven BADD...
Does anyone else hear it?? The tears of whining pirates that were name and shamed. Oh and please look at me in game and call out my kill loss ratio, and all those other things that supposed to be so important.
MSCC fail at being grown and IMO need to go back to simpleton games like WOW or maybe solitaire... thats an even better idea just cancel the account.
In response to all the other honorable pirates lets beat them into the ground punilessly
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Alchemos
Gallente Middle School Comedy Club
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Posted - 2008.07.11 03:24:00 -
[103]
you just mad cause obama is gonna lose.
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Judge Awesomepossum
Minmatar Middle School Comedy Club
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Posted - 2008.07.11 03:27:00 -
[104]
Edited by: Judge Awesomepossum on 11/07/2008 03:28:44
Originally by: Ambrosious Martin Edited by: Ambrosious Martin on 11/07/2008 01:28:31
Quote: The OP is an idiot. A Class-A moron. A simpleton. An ignoramus. A dweeb and a racist.
Ok now I dont even want to get involved in the whole bad pirate good pirate thing but I must say your the only one here thats an idiot Class-A moron, a simpleton, an ignoramus, a Dweeb, a Racist...
Quote: McCain 2008
^--- For this reason totally... who the hell wants a man thats about to die in our office.. lets see if we can ruin the United States of America even more.!!!
I didn't want this to turn political but...
Remember last time we had a President with a disease? His name was F.D.R. Single handidly freed Europe from the clutches of Na-zism. Once McCain wins he'll free the entire Middle East of Islamic Fanatics. Barack WHO'S-SANE Osama will just turn tail and run. McCain is a war hero, Osama is a terrorist. You want a terrorist as a President? Might as well have Judas as Secretary of HONOR
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Ambrosious Martin
Son of Man
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Posted - 2008.07.11 05:12:00 -
[105]
Since you ask now I want neither in office I want to abolish government altogether.. And Ide rather see obama win becuase with hilary as president the whole world would be in a world of shit... remember if anything that bleeds for more than 48hours dosnt die its totally evil.
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z0de
Gallente The Bastards
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Posted - 2008.07.11 05:39:00 -
[106]
Just stopping by for the usual The Bastards will allways honour ransoms.
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CoolSprog
Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.07.11 05:59:00 -
[107]
Originally by: Black momba22
Originally by: AntonioBanderas Edited by: AntonioBanderas on 10/07/2008 08:26:19
Originally by: Black momba22 Edited by: Black momba22 on 10/07/2008 02:05:35 Edited by: Black momba22 on 10/07/2008 02:01:31 Ok first off the procedure for the ransome was as followed
1. capture target 2. ask for money based on normal fit and pricing that the ship has 3 recive pay leave, recieve hateful comments kill, recive nothing for more then 10 seconds kill, recieve lower then asked ransome and alot of excuses kill.
The target in this case paid less money then what we asked for and had alot of excuses such as i only have 12 million and this ship is pure tech one fit( had over 158 mill after inquiry.) Since the target did not follow the above things that we do he got killed simple.
I had thought there was a bit of miscomunication or something so i offered to buy back his ship for 1 thrid of the price and he responded with posting a form about how we do not honur ransomes so now here we are.
I am sorry if the community does not like the way we do things but i do not see a rule book on how to ransome targets and if i had time to waste talking to a target for 10 mins about how he is gonna pay i would have probably already got attacked and killed by his back up which would be just sad.
O i am with mscc but, i forgot how to do the corp ticker thing under my name so yea
MSCC FOR LIFE.
If he apyed and you blew his ship, YOU SEND ISK BACK. No matter if he lyed. You blew the ship. Your word is all you have. Now noone will ever pay you. The thing is m.o.r.o.n.s. like you are making life hard for all pirates. OFC noone will never pay ransom. Stupid c.u.n.t.s.
LoL it seems you have problems making money and collecting ransomes. Well don't blame it on us. Instead you might wan tot try things like improving your game play or jioning a corp with a better kill loss ratio.
In regards to your send isk back policy i guess he would have been lucky if he ran into you ( provided he got caught by you) and I guess lying about the amount of isky he has is something that you do not care about. We however do care about it and have the rules that i stated above for our corp policy. If you have a problem with it then don't get caught simple. I am not here to please anyone but myself our rules are fair enough and it is tobad that some people don't like it because we do not care. If you don't care about your ship so much maybe you should go get another one and quite whinning about how our rules are not fair to you. This is not a customer service this is pvp, deal with it.
Fyi who says ( WOOOOOOOOOO) in the middle of there sentence randomly and why did it take him so long to come up with that proof. I think that fact alone speaks for itself and shows it is a fake.
Well one of you is just a lying moron anyway, im leaning toward the ransomers in this case. Read the bold bit, IE "who says WOOOOOO" yet both logs pretty much state he did say WOOO reguardless. Looks to me like someone tried to dismiss real logs as fake, and under growing pressure compied there own version of the logs which used the term you already passed off as stupid.
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Judas Jones
Amarr Black Company
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Posted - 2008.07.11 06:03:00 -
[108]
Don't pay ransom's, just take the loss as you know they will find an excuse to blow you up anyway
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Alchemos
Gallente Middle School Comedy Club
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Posted - 2008.07.11 06:21:00 -
[109]
Edited by: Alchemos on 11/07/2008 06:24:25
Originally by: CoolSprog
Originally by: Black momba22
Originally by: AntonioBanderas Edited by: AntonioBanderas on 10/07/2008 08:26:19
Originally by: Black momba22 Edited by: Black momba22 on 10/07/2008 02:05:35 Edited by: Black momba22 on 10/07/2008 02:01:31 Ok first off the procedure for the ransome was as followed
1. capture target 2. ask for money based on normal fit and pricing that the ship has 3 recive pay leave, recieve hateful comments kill, recive nothing for more then 10 seconds kill, recieve lower then asked ransome and alot of excuses kill.
The target in this case paid less money then what we asked for and had alot of excuses such as i only have 12 million and this ship is pure tech one fit( had over 158 mill after inquiry.) Since the target did not follow the above things that we do he got killed simple.
I had thought there was a bit of miscomunication or something so i offered to buy back his ship for 1 thrid of the price and he responded with posting a form about how we do not honur ransomes so now here we are.
I am sorry if the community does not like the way we do things but i do not see a rule book on how to ransome targets and if i had time to waste talking to a target for 10 mins about how he is gonna pay i would have probably already got attacked and killed by his back up which would be just sad.
O i am with mscc but, i forgot how to do the corp ticker thing under my name so yea
MSCC FOR LIFE.
If he apyed and you blew his ship, YOU SEND ISK BACK. No matter if he lyed. You blew the ship. Your word is all you have. Now noone will ever pay you. The thing is m.o.r.o.n.s. like you are making life hard for all pirates. OFC noone will never pay ransom. Stupid c.u.n.t.s.
LoL it seems you have problems making money and collecting ransomes. Well don't blame it on us. Instead you might wan tot try things like improving your game play or jioning a corp with a better kill loss ratio.
In regards to your send isk back policy i guess he would have been lucky if he ran into you ( provided he got caught by you) and I guess lying about the amount of isky he has is something that you do not care about. We however do care about it and have the rules that i stated above for our corp policy. If you have a problem with it then don't get caught simple. I am not here to please anyone but myself our rules are fair enough and it is tobad that some people don't like it because we do not care. If you don't care about your ship so much maybe you should go get another one and quite whinning about how our rules are not fair to you. This is not a customer service this is pvp, deal with it.
Fyi who says ( WOOOOOOOOOO) in the middle of there sentence randomly and why did it take him so long to come up with that proof. I think that fact alone speaks for itself and shows it is a fake.
Well one of you is just a lying moron anyway, im leaning toward the ransomers in this case. Read the bold bit, IE "who says WOOOOOO" yet both logs pretty much state he did say WOOO reguardless. Looks to me like someone tried to dismiss real logs as fake, and under growing pressure compied there own version of the logs which used the term you already passed off as stupid.
The guy you are quoting was not even in the convo and is a tard. i never said i didnt say wooooo i say wooooo all the time.
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Schwartz Bruder
Caldari The Cruisers
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Posted - 2008.07.11 09:28:00 -
[110]
Does anyone even know what is going on anymore, the Middle School kids just started screaming about politics that have absolutely nothing to do with this thread much less the game, and I must say, although people may not believe Shade, Middle Schools poor handling of this thread has probably destroyed there rep more than Shade ever could. Just my two cents. |
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.07.11 09:59:00 -
[111]
Originally by: Tchell Dahhn Edited by: Tchell Dahhn on 10/07/2008 17:47:21
Pay close attention:
Originally by: Shade Aran [ 2008.07.09 20:33:30 ] Alchemos > 40m [ 2008.07.09 20:33:39 ] Alchemos > and you live and can mission here for 2 hours
<snip>
Originally by: Shade Aran [ 2008.07.09 20:34:16 ] Sekki Shin > 12 mill cause I am newby? ;-) [ 2008.07.09 20:34:22 ] Alchemos > 10mill and you live [ 2008.07.09 20:34:26 ] Sekki Shin > tnx
Wait.
So, it only took you four seconds after he offered 10 mil to respond? I doubt that.
I also doubt this is true, because while you spell "Million" as "mill", with two "L's", you have his response with two "L's" as well. If you note earlier in your post, he offered you a ransom of "40m"... People don't change their method of posting mid-stream.
You sir, are a liar.
Originally by: Alchemos
[ 2008.07.09 20:34:17 ] Sekki Shin > 10 mill cause I am newby? ;-) [ 2008.07.09 20:34:22 ] Alchemos > 40mill and you live [ 2008.07.09 20:34:27 ] Sekki Shin > 10 mill all i got : ( [ 2008.07.09 20:34:31 ] Sekki Shin > transftering [ 2008.07.09 20:34:50 ] Alchemos > THIS IS WHAT I DO TO PEOPLE WHO LIE ABOUT ISK, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Bi the same logic: Alchemos is a liar too: Alchemos too is using mill, reply in 5 seconds. so your deuction aren't so good Sherlock.
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Haru Itari
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Posted - 2008.07.11 10:16:00 -
[112]
Edited by: Haru Itari on 11/07/2008 10:20:15 edit: the pyramid of quotes was too much for me to decode.
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Eclipse Ryne
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Posted - 2008.07.11 10:24:00 -
[113]
Really though... I think the so called "pirates" here are just ******s.. I mean 40m for a drake? They might as well have just blown you up any smart player unless super duper faction fitted would have told you where to shove your ransom
Further more you come in here like your all kewl kewl ohh I asked for 40m and only got 10m so he got the boom.. Your a ******... and you are the kind of guy that gives pirates a bad name. Thankfully for people like you we wont have to worry about many pirates anymore.
You are not a pirate you just happen to stumble across an easy kill and wanted to make your self look like you were the shit!
Real pirates would have relised that 10m was worth more then anything you would have gotten off his ship and also would have relised that letting him go was in your better interests then killing him... again your a moron....
Do us all a favor and delete your self... or better yet, keep being a lame wannabie pirate that way the people who arent ******s will not want to be pirates because people like you slandernig their "good" name all over....
You friend are not a pirate you are what we call "grifers" and they are lame.
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Garan Savlar
Gallente Twilight Operations
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Posted - 2008.07.11 10:25:00 -
[114]
Originally by: Judge Awesomepossum
Remember last time we had a President with a disability? His name was F.D.R. Single handily freed Europe from the clutches of Na-zism.
Hmmmm ... interesting rewriting of history there. I'm sure over 20 million dead Russians might disagree with the "single handily" bit ... as might the British, French, Canadians, Dutch, Poles, Australians, South Africans, New Zealanders, Norwegians, Danes, Belgians, Indians, Greeks, Yugoslavians, Czechs, etc, etc (apologies to those I haven't listed) most of whom were fighting before the US even declared war ... even Nepal and Tannu Tuva were fighting before you lot joined in! ------------------------------------------------
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Sarcough Illrilian
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Posted - 2008.07.11 10:33:00 -
[115]
Edited by: Sarcough Illrilian on 11/07/2008 10:34:33
Originally by: Venkul Mul Edited by: Venkul Mul on 11/07/2008 10:10:47
Originally by: Tchell Dahhn Edited by: Tchell Dahhn on 10/07/2008 17:47:21
Pay close attention:
Originally by: Shade Aran [ 2008.07.09 20:33:30 ] Alchemos > 40m [ 2008.07.09 20:33:39 ] Alchemos > and you live and can mission here for 2 hours
<snip>
Originally by: Shade Aran [ 2008.07.09 20:34:16 ] Sekki Shin > 12 mill cause I am newby? ;-) [ 2008.07.09 20:34:22 ] Alchemos > 10mill and you live [ 2008.07.09 20:34:26 ] Sekki Shin > tnx
Wait.
So, it only took you four seconds after he offered 10 mil to respond? I doubt that.
I also doubt this is true, because while you spell "Million" as "mill", with two "L's", you have his response with two "L's" as well. If you note earlier in your post, he offered you a ransom of "40m"... People don't change their method of posting mid-stream.
You sir, are a liar.
Originally by: Alchemos
[ 2008.07.09 20:34:17 ] Sekki Shin > 10 mill cause I am newby? ;-) [ 2008.07.09 20:34:22 ] Alchemos > 40mill and you live [ 2008.07.09 20:34:27 ] Sekki Shin > 10 mill all i got : ( [ 2008.07.09 20:34:31 ] Sekki Shin > transftering [ 2008.07.09 20:34:50 ] Alchemos > THIS IS WHAT I DO TO PEOPLE WHO LIE ABOUT ISK, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
By the same logic: Alchemos is a liar too: Alchemos too is using mill, reply in 5 seconds. so your deuction aren't so good Sherlock.
What is more lol is that someone would spend that much time looking into, and comparing chat logs. Haven't you people got better things to do with your time? |
Requiescat
HellCorp Inc.
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Posted - 2008.07.11 11:16:00 -
[116]
Edited by: Requiescat on 11/07/2008 11:18:19
Originally by: Black momba22 In response to this comment ( the qoute thing said to many caracters or something)
http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/156/thebasterdskillrecsj4.jpg your kill board 83% not bad
http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/8926/mscckillstuffer5.jpg ours 95% better then yours
now based on those who is better
Based on who's better, we'll go with me, since my killboard ( req.griefwatch.net) shows me at 7.52:1 with about 11bil in damage caused, largely solo, with a small roaming gang, or with my carrier alt, as opposed to in a BS gang.
There are a lot of people posting in this thread and whether or not their word can be trusted based on your standards is up in the air. Alls I know is I've seen a lot of hearsay in this thread but people who I am backing include techzer0, Tchell Dahn, Chribba, and Rawr Cristina.
Also I'd like to add two things: 1) it's considered customary to return unacceptable ransoms to the ransomee, and 2) looks like Racketeers v2.0
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Thoran Karlien
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.11 11:18:00 -
[117]
Originally by: Alchemos Also he threatened to post about this if we did not give him a new drake. We did not give him one so he made this post, we don't cave to terrorists. So take what he says with a grain of salt.
I loved that one If he is a terrorist for blackmailing you, what are you? So if you got ransomed by another pirate, you wouldn't pay the ransom either?
While the chances are slim, that mscc would catch me in a ransom situation (me either being in big fleet in low sec, or high sec atm, so not beacuse i am uber pvper), if it actually happend, i wouldn't pay them a ransom. Don't fly what you can't afford to loose, any ship leaving high sec is dead anyway, and several of the members have the attitude i'd normally connect to not honoring ransoms. Of course each one is more than allowed to make their own conclusions. Long live the pirate way ^^
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Celestal
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Posted - 2008.07.11 11:24:00 -
[118]
Anyone else feel that Middle School Comedy Club should be forced to change their name to Junior School Comedy Club ?
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Requiescat
HellCorp Inc.
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Posted - 2008.07.11 11:32:00 -
[119]
Originally by: Celestal Anyone else feel that Middle School Comedy Club should be forced to change their name to Junior School Comedy Club ?
Elementary School, Primary School, or maybe Clown College
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Garan Savlar
Gallente Twilight Operations
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Posted - 2008.07.11 11:36:00 -
[120]
Originally by: Celestal Anyone else feel that Middle School Comedy Club should be forced to change their name to Junior School Comedy Club ?
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Tchell Dahhn
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.07.11 12:34:00 -
[121]
Originally by: Venkul Mul By the same logic: Alchemos is a liar too: Alchemos too is using mill, reply in 5 seconds. so your deuction aren't so good Sherlock.
I think you missed the point, Watson. I'm saying that the line with "Mill" was ADDED by the OP, thus disproving his claims.
Come on, even someone with a fourth grade edjemacation would have figured that one out.
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Nodrakish
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Posted - 2008.07.11 13:44:00 -
[122]
This thread delivers!
To add to the win, MSCC once tried to ransom my Caracal on my 6 day old character for 40mill... I laughed hard.
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Judge Awesomepossum
Minmatar Middle School Comedy Club
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Posted - 2008.07.11 16:23:00 -
[123]
Originally by: Garan Savlar
Originally by: Judge Awesomepossum
Remember last time we had a President with a disability? His name was F.D.R. Single handily freed Europe from the clutches of Na-zism.
Hmmmm ... interesting rewriting of history there. I'm sure over 20 million dead Russians might disagree with the "single handily" bit ... as might the British, French, Canadians, Dutch, Poles, Australians, South Africans, New Zealanders, Norwegians, Danes, Belgians, Indians, Greeks, Yugoslavians, Czechs, etc, etc (apologies to those I haven't listed) most of whom were fighting before the US even declared war ... even Nepal and Tannu Tuva were fighting before you lot joined in!
FDR personally delivered equipment to each of those countries by hand with the Lend-Lease program. Without Lend-Lease the russians would've been EXPLODED.
Tannu Tuva was a puppet state of the Soviets so of course they joined the war DUHHH. FDR also controlled the Soviets. You wonder why the Soviets lost so much? I got some secret documents from FDR (I got connections). FDR had control over the Soviets. The cold war was all planned, FDR didn't really die he is infact still alive and controlling world affairs. Oil prices? FDR gotta drive. Rising food prices? FDR gotta eat. Global warming? FDR is aliittle cold. His choice in next president? McCain 2008
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Alchemos
Gallente Middle School Comedy Club
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Posted - 2008.07.11 17:06:00 -
[124]
Quote: Do us all a favor and delete your self... or better yet, keep being a lame wannabie pirate that way the people who arent ******s will not want to be pirates because people like you slandernig their "good" name all over....
You friend are not a pirate you are what we call "grifers" and they are lame.
Oh not not a grifer.
To all you guys saying 40m for a drake is to much check this out http://www.middleschoolcomedyclub.com/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=1844
with rigs a drake more then doubles in price. I do not carry around a ship scanner so I ransom all drakes for 40m and if they dont pay i kill em. The price on rigs cannot be gotten back through insurance or even loot so i just ransom for how much the rigs are worth. If you do not like how i ransom take a chill pill i am not forcing you to ransom that way. If a drake happens to have arbalest the price goes insanely high so i think 40m is a good asking price and many have payed.
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Gatu
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.07.11 18:42:00 -
[125]
Originally by: Tchell Dahhn
I think you missed the point, Watson. I'm saying that the line with "Mill" was ADDED by the OP, thus disproving his claims.
I think he was referring to the fact that the "mill" line appears in both the OP and the MSCC versions of the log. The only difference being that one said 10mill and one said 40mill.
Originally by: Shade Aran [ 2008.07.09 20:34:16 ] Sekki Shin > 12 mill cause I am newby? ;-) [ 2008.07.09 20:34:22 ] Alchemos > 10mill and you live
Originally by: Alchemos [ 2008.07.09 20:34:17 ] Sekki Shin > 10 mill cause I am newby? ;-) [ 2008.07.09 20:34:22 ] Alchemos > 40mill and you live
It's interesting to me that the MSCC guy, after the posting of the OP version of the log, reacted not to the 10mill/40mill part, but to the following:
Originally by: Alchemos fake chat log. I would never say we have pirate honor. honor is for ***gots.
When the 'honor' quote appears in both versions of the log. I don't get why he would have denied saying this, then later confirmed it himself, when he could have easily just claimed the 10/40 mil part was edited.
It also might be telling that the MSCC guy, in the process of defending the fact that his corp does honor ransoms, claims that "honor is for ***gots."
Who knows.
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Faife
Minmatar Kinda'Shujaa
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Posted - 2008.07.11 19:12:00 -
[126]
MSCC once tried to ransom my cheetah for 120mill but forgot to lock me so i cloaked
true story.
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SkyHappy KR
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Posted - 2008.07.11 19:23:00 -
[127]
actually alchemos didn't say the honor thing in his chat log version.
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Zolar X
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Posted - 2008.07.11 19:24:00 -
[128]
This thread is pure win.
My guess is that both sides thought they were telling the truth at first. The OP's chat log is legit, but the "10mill and you live" was a typo on Alchemos' part. It's just too screwy otherwise. Why would someone offer 12 mil and the pirate counter with 10? Chances are, if the OP was making up a story, he wouldn't throw in something that made no sense. Therefore, it probably happened. But by the time all this came out, Alchemos was in too deep to lose face, so he edited his own chat log. Although he does get points for "Only thing that annoys me about this thread is black momba who is trying to jack off over killboards." I lol'd.
P.S. McCain 2008
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Gatu
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.07.11 19:29:00 -
[129]
Originally by: SkyHappy KR actually alchemos didn't say the honor thing in his chat log version.
Odd. I could swear I read that in there, but you're right. It's not there.
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Xzar Fyrarr
Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2008.07.11 20:20:00 -
[130]
"Not another ransom thread!?"
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Robert De'Arneth
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2008.07.11 20:56:00 -
[131]
Wow, I feel like I lost some IQ points reading this thread. The 1st thing anyone should learn in this game is, trust no one for any reason. This is basic survival skill. 2nd thing you learn is, never pay ransom to anyone, the reason for this is rule number one states trust no one. Tell them to kiss your ass, get blown up and move on.
Posting not to trust these middle schoolers is stupid, anyone stupid enough to start or join a corp named that is a punk, and most certianly not to be trusted. Bottom line is, you lost a ship and 10 mil, and you pointed out what most people would know just by seeing their stupid corp name, they are not to be trusted.
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Commander Thrawn
the united
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Posted - 2008.07.11 21:19:00 -
[132]
lol we ask 60mill for a drake ffs. 40mill is being nice
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Xps Dana
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Posted - 2008.07.11 21:24:00 -
[133]
Edited by: Xps Dana on 11/07/2008 21:24:56 middle school ***it club will never get my money :)
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Chomin H'ak
The Trivenerate
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Posted - 2008.07.11 22:11:00 -
[134]
Originally by: Alben Jefferson "You can't fool all the people all of the time but if you fool the right ones then the rest will fall behind"
Mission accomplished for you huh? The propaganda by this godless hack is ripping apart the fabric of what makes this great nation of ours great. If you believe in what he says, why live on? Why live knowing that you're listening to a flip-flopper like Shade Aran?
Now he is running away, who would want to follow a person who runs away constantly, steals isk AND fakes chatlogs? That's not America, THATS NOT EVEN CANADA.
The truth is that is he was right he would stay in this thread and not run away. Hes a liar.
>^.^<
OK, that pretty much did it for me, anyone else?
You and your corp spewing this ignorant garbage has actually p.issed me off.
1. the fabric of what makes this great nation of ours great
Who the F are you talking about? Do you think only americans play this game? Tard.
2. Why live knowing that you're listening to a flip-flopper like Shade Aran?
Who cares about politics in a ****ing game?! And why the F are you P.O.S. repubicans spewing your poisoned venom here?
3. That's not America, THATS NOT EVEN CANADA
And neither is Eve.
You and your corp can go fornicate with yourselves. Hope ours sees you in space.
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Judge Awesomepossum
Minmatar Middle School Comedy Club
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Posted - 2008.07.11 22:23:00 -
[135]
Originally by: Chomin H'ak
OK, that pretty much did it for me, anyone else?
You and your corp spewing this ignorant garbage has actually p.issed me off.
1. the fabric of what makes this great nation of ours great
Who the F are you talking about? Do you think only americans play this game? Tard.
2. Why live knowing that you're listening to a flip-flopper like Shade Aran?
Who cares about politics in a ****ing game?! And why the F are you P.O.S. repubicans spewing your poisoned venom here?
3. That's not America, THATS NOT EVEN CANADA
And neither is Eve.
You and your corp can go fornicate with yourselves. Hope ours sees you in space.
Coming from a true communist, even looking at your corp you might as well call yourselves The Leninests and set your taxes to 100%. Us? We got 0%, just like America's tax once McCain goes into office. America is number one, no other nations flag in the world would survive bombs bursting in the air like AMERICAS.
McCain could kick your leaders asses. USA USA USA
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Chomin H'ak
The Trivenerate
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Posted - 2008.07.11 22:25:00 -
[136]
Originally by: Judge Awesomepossum
I didn't want this to turn political but...
Remember last time we had a President with a disability? His name was F.D.R. Single handily freed Europe from the clutches of Na-zism. Once McCain wins he'll free the entire Middle East of Islamic Fanatics. Barack WHO'S-INSANE Osama will just turn tail and run. McCain is a war hero, Osama is a terrorist. You want a terrorist as a President? Might as well have Judas as Secretary of HONOR
You sir, are a COMPLETE moron.
FDR made every single american give the gov't their gold and destroyed the gold standard (the reason our current WORLD finances are in the crapper). Get a friggin clue (that's what I hate about repubicans, they make heroes out of people who have screwed over countless honest Americans for a simple buck/power)
FYI, dolt... FDR changed the constitution so he could have MOAR POWAR!
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Dr Trex
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Posted - 2008.07.11 22:26:00 -
[137]
Edited by: Dr Trex on 11/07/2008 22:27:25 Ok I'm the Head Butt Diplomat of MSCC, so let me clear a few things up.
Blackmomba is, indeed, extremely stupid. Nothing he has said should be considered by anyone as a representation of how anyone in MSCC thinks or acts.
Everyone gets the blood lust once in a while. Haven't you ever seen Bloodrayne? Sometimes paying a ransom can distract us long enough to not kill a dragon, but not every time. Especially when it is not fully paid.
We are super honorable. It is, actually, more honorable to kill some that pays a ransom because they are cowards. Ask a Samurai. Paying a ransom would be considered disgusting to anyone that has honor. Maybe some day you will understand.
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Judge Awesomepossum
Minmatar Middle School Comedy Club
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Posted - 2008.07.11 22:33:00 -
[138]
Originally by: Chomin H'ak
Originally by: Judge Awesomepossum
I didn't want this to turn political but...
Remember last time we had a President with a disability? His name was F.D.R. Single handily freed Europe from the clutches of Na-zism. Once McCain wins he'll free the entire Middle East of Islamic Fanatics. Barack WHO'S-INSANE Osama will just turn tail and run. McCain is a war hero, Osama is a terrorist. You want a terrorist as a President? Might as well have Judas as Secretary of HONOR
You sir, are a COMPLETE moron.
FDR made every single american give the gov't their gold and destroyed the gold standard (the reason our current WORLD finances are in the crapper). Get a friggin clue (that's what I hate about repubicans, they make heroes out of people who have screwed over countless honest Americans for a simple buck/power)
FYI, dolt... FDR changed the constitution so he could have MOAR POWAR!
Thats what made FDR so great. Who else has the power to take gold from people? I didn't see Churchill do it because he was a fat man who smoked cigars and talked horribly. FDR was his ghost writer.
You know how Odin hanged himself for knowledge? FDR gave up his ability to use his legs to keep the world free. I didn't make this up, FDR told me himself.
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Zer'Adul
THE SORORITY CODE RED ALLIANCE
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Posted - 2008.07.11 23:50:00 -
[139]
Based on KB information, thanks for the link BTW MSCC, it looks like the value of the Drake was indeed less then the ransom.
Based on this excerpt from the OP's chat log:
[ 2008.07.09 20:33:14 ] Sekki Shin > sure...but how can I know you won;t blow my ship? last time I payed to some1 he blown my ship [ 2008.07.09 20:33:27 ] Alchemos > we have pirate honor [ 2008.07.09 20:33:30 ] Alchemos > 40m [ 2008.07.09 20:33:39 ] Alchemos > and you live and can mission here for 2 hours [ 2008.07.09 20:33:45 ] Sekki Shin > lol my ship is worth less [ 2008.07.09 20:33:58 ] Alchemos > so how much you wanna pay? [ 2008.07.09 20:34:01 ] Sekki Shin > check my char...very young [ 2008.07.09 20:34:16 ] Sekki Shin > 12 mill cause I am newby? ;-) [ 2008.07.09 20:34:22 ] Alchemos > 10mill and you live
It looks like he tried negotiating from a position of submission, not the best place to be when doing this. As for the six second time between the 12m offer and the 10m offer, anyone who is a reasonable typist can do that. Average comprehension rate is under a second for a 6 word sentence.
Without access to both files, there is no way to verify which file is the correct one. Various programs can be used to determine who is telling the truth
Based upon the evidence provided by both sides, I'm inclined to believe the OP over MSCC.
Reasons are pretty simple, the OP had to be told where the logs were before he posted his log. Likelyhood of him editing the log is pretty low, but not non-existant. MSCC waited another 6 hours before posting their logs. 6 hours is more then enough time to edit one number, and remove a line.
[ 2008.07.09 20:32:54 ] Alchemos > ransom? [ 2008.07.09 20:33:15 ] Sekki Shin > sure...but how can I know you won;t blow my ship? last time I payed to some1 he blown my ship [ 2008.07.09 20:33:29 ] Alchemos > 40m [ 2008.07.09 20:33:39 ] Alchemos > and you live and can mission here for 2 hours
This section from the MSCC log does bear signs of someone removing a line. Note the time stamps on the second and third lines. There is a 15 second gap, which would allow for a line to have been removed.
Now, under normal circumstances a refund of ransom would be in order. Weither or not MSCC does abide by the code that nearly all other pirates abide by, is another story.
Tchell, people do change how they type in mid-stream all the time. You may not, but others do.
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Wieselflinke
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Posted - 2008.07.12 00:12:00 -
[140]
Edited by: Wieselflinke on 12/07/2008 00:16:03 I hate idiots like this that give us other pirates a bad name...
And then even lie about it and pretend to have any honor left.
Well, now we all know what to do when ransomed by this scum. Gotta catch me first though...
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Schwartz Bruder
Caldari The Cruisers
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Posted - 2008.07.12 01:19:00 -
[141]
Quote: Coming from a true communist, even looking at your corp you might as well call yourselves The Leninests and set your taxes to 100%. Us? We got 0%, just like America's tax once McCain goes into office. America is number one, no other nations flag in the world would survive bombs bursting in the air like AMERICAS.
Thankfully McBush will not be winning the election because people like you are quickly becoming a minority in this country. The "redneck" population as more civilized and free thinking people call them are being slowly phased out, which allows leaders such as Obama to bring in change as opposed to trying to continually thrust 18th century ideals down the throats of the American citizens. Hopefully the Constitution will soon serve its true purpose once again as opposed to its current duty of Bush's toilet paper. Sage ja zu der Schattenwelt, in der das Dunkle sich erhebt Sage ja zu der Einsamkeit, die sich in deiner Seele quSlt Sage ja zu dem Ring in dem das Morgenrot versinkt Sage ja zu der Saat, die s |
Alchemos
Gallente Middle School Comedy Club
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Posted - 2008.07.12 02:58:00 -
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Edited by: Alchemos on 12/07/2008 02:58:10 our honor reactors operate at 110% power.
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Alchemos
Gallente Middle School Comedy Club
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Posted - 2008.07.12 03:07:00 -
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you know who else brought change? Osama bin laden. I wonder if BARACK HUESSIEN OSAMA will too?
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Tai Paktu
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2008.07.12 04:59:00 -
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Originally by: Black momba22 Edited by: Black momba22 on 10/07/2008 15:44:07 How we do things works for us and frankly i does not matter what some of you think cause we gonna do it like that until we decide to stop playing the game. If you have a problem with our way of ransomeing don't get caught simple.
TBH I don't particularely care how you run your business unless it begins to impact on my business. I, like others, asked for proof in chatlog form that have now been provided. I still don't see where the OP "lied about his ISK" from either log unless your CEO has some sort of "ISK detector."
If I was sent 10m after demanding 40, I'd kill the Drake too. But I'd send the 10m back. It's chump change and you avoid the forum drama.
Besides, thread needed moar Clinton. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5clysZnwW28
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Judge Awesomepossum
Minmatar Middle School Comedy Club
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Posted - 2008.07.12 05:57:00 -
[145]
Originally by: Schwartz Bruder
Quote: Coming from a true communist, even looking at your corp you might as well call yourselves The Leninests and set your taxes to 100%. Us? We got 0%, just like America's tax once McCain goes into office. America is number one, no other nations flag in the world would survive bombs bursting in the air like AMERICAS.
Thankfully McBush will not be winning the election because people like you are quickly becoming a minority in this country. The "redneck" population as more civilized and free thinking people call them are being slowly phased out, which allows leaders such as Obama to bring in change as opposed to trying to continually thrust 18th century ideals down the throats of the American citizens. Hopefully the Constitution will soon serve its true purpose once again as opposed to its current duty of Bush's toilet paper.
America is not ready for a Minmatar president. McCain has War-Hero ideals. Who else was a war hero? George Washington. If Washington was running today would you mock him for having crappy teeth and his inability to lie? I think not. Judge people by their actions, McCain fought communists for a living while Baraka Osama was doing whatever he does poorly for a living. When Osama does speeches I fall asleep hes such a crappy speaker.
McCain defended the constitution while being water boarded by the vietcong, he knows what it's about don't you ever question his patriotism you anti-american HACK
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Garan Savlar
Gallente Twilight Operations
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Posted - 2008.07.12 06:10:00 -
[146]
Originally by: Judge Awesomepossum
Originally by: Garan Savlar
Originally by: Judge Awesomepossum
Remember last time we had a President with a disability? His name was F.D.R. Single handily freed Europe from the clutches of Na-zism.
Hmmmm ... interesting rewriting of history there. I'm sure over 20 million dead Russians might disagree with the "single handily" bit ... as might the British, French, Canadians, Dutch, Poles, Australians, South Africans, New Zealanders, Norwegians, Danes, Belgians, Indians, Greeks, Yugoslavians, Czechs, etc, etc (apologies to those I haven't listed) most of whom were fighting before the US even declared war ... even Nepal and Tannu Tuva were fighting before you lot joined in!
FDR personally delivered equipment to each of those countries by hand with the Lend-Lease program. Without Lend-Lease the russians would've been EXPLODED.
Tannu Tuva was a puppet state of the Soviets so of course they joined the war DUHHH. FDR also controlled the Soviets. You wonder why the Soviets lost so much? I got some secret documents from FDR (I got connections). FDR had control over the Soviets. The cold war was all planned, FDR didn't really die he is infact still alive and controlling world affairs. Oil prices? FDR gotta drive. Rising food prices? FDR gotta eat. Global warming? FDR is aliittle cold. His choice in next president? McCain 2008
Bugger me no wonder he had a wheelchair ... the poor bloke must have been exhausted!
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Posted - 2008.07.12 06:40:00 -
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Originally by: Judge Awesomepossum McCain defended the constitution while being water boarded by the vietcong, he knows what it's about don't you ever question his patriotism you anti-american HACK
Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.
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Schwartz Bruder
Caldari The Cruisers
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Posted - 2008.07.12 07:01:00 -
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Quote: McCain defended the constitution while being water boarded by the vietcong, he knows what it's about don't you ever question his patriotism you anti-american HACK
While I certainly will not belittle McCain's sacrifice to our country, I'm finding your argument to be quite pedantic. I am in fact proud to be an American, I would not want to live in any other country in the world. It is due to capitalism that I am able to live life as well as I do. Sadly however, your close-minded and singular replies seem to be taking on a very extremist right wing viewpoint, that is to say if those that don't agree with you must be communist, or in todays world, terrorist is the big taboo. I find it sad that such ignorant people as yourself exist, yet I can only blame our country's educational system, for were you not educated on our constitutional rights? For it is the First Amendment that guarantees us our freedom of speech, which gives us the right to have our own opinions. Yet here you are belittling those that don't agree with your opinions. If anyone one this forum could be called anti-american, I'm afraid that it would be you sir, for in your zealous rambling you forget the very things that make this country great, as you seek to silence our opinions if they do not match yours. Sage ja zu der Schattenwelt, in der das Dunkle sich erhebt Sage ja zu der Einsamkeit, die sich in deiner Seele quSlt Sage ja zu dem Ring in dem das Morgenrot versinkt Sage ja zu der Saat, die s |
drakk3n
Minmatar LSP Industries
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Posted - 2008.07.12 08:44:00 -
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*Jumps into thread* Just a note to let everyone reading know that myself and the rest of LSP Industries always honor our ransoms.
It takes alot of balls to warp away from a stricken 'bear and a juicy killmail, but you do so slightly richer and in the knowledge that you're upholding the respect of the pies. I want to be hated and respected. *Jumps out of thread, oh and Obama FTW!*
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Garan Savlar
Gallente Twilight Operations
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Posted - 2008.07.12 09:10:00 -
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Originally by: Schwartz Bruder
Quote: McCain defended the constitution while being water boarded by the vietcong, he knows what it's about don't you ever question his patriotism you anti-american HACK
While I certainly will not belittle McCain's sacrifice to our country, I'm finding your argument to be quite pedantic. I am in fact proud to be an American, I would not want to live in any other country in the world. It is due to capitalism that I am able to live life as well as I do. Sadly however, your close-minded and singular replies seem to be taking on a very extremist right wing viewpoint, that is to say if those that don't agree with you must be communist, or in todays world, terrorist is the big taboo. I find it sad that such ignorant people as yourself exist, yet I can only blame our country's educational system, for were you not educated on our constitutional rights? For it is the First Amendment that guarantees us our freedom of speech, which gives us the right to have our own opinions. Yet here you are belittling those that don't agree with your opinions. If anyone one this forum could be called anti-american, I'm afraid that it would be you sir, for in your zealous rambling you forget the very things that make this country great, as you seek to silence our opinions if they do not match yours.
Nicely put mate ... an intelligent and well argued post. ------------------------------------------------
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Thoran Karlien
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.12 10:03:00 -
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Garmon is that you? Haven't seen such a trollage since the machariel thread. Either way, no need to argue with mscc, it should be obvious by now they like doing their comedy... so everybody calm done and keep the politics away from here...
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drakk3n
Minmatar LSP Industries
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Posted - 2008.07.12 10:31:00 -
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I'm a brit, feeling really left out, as I have only one thing to say about 'merica.
Can we have our continent back, plz?
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Ctp Hawkeye
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HAI Black momba22! \o/
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DeathWarrior
Caldari Middle School Comedy Club
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Posted - 2008.07.12 14:16:00 -
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I had to make an alt corp just for my boner.
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Judge Awesomepossum
Minmatar Middle School Comedy Club
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Posted - 2008.07.12 19:21:00 -
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Originally by: Schwartz Bruder
Quote: McCain defended the constitution while being water boarded by the vietcong, he knows what it's about don't you ever question his patriotism you anti-american HACK
While I certainly will not belittle McCain's sacrifice to our country, I'm finding your argument to be quite pedantic. I am in fact proud to be an American, I would not want to live in any other country in the world. It is due to capitalism that I am able to live life as well as I do. Sadly however, your close-minded and singular replies seem to be taking on a very extremist right wing viewpoint, that is to say if those that don't agree with you must be communist, or in todays world, terrorist is the big taboo. I find it sad that such ignorant people as yourself exist, yet I can only blame our country's educational system, for were you not educated on our constitutional rights? For it is the First Amendment that guarantees us our freedom of speech, which gives us the right to have our own opinions. Yet here you are belittling those that don't agree with your opinions. If anyone one this forum could be called anti-american, I'm afraid that it would be you sir, for in your zealous rambling you forget the very things that make this country great, as you seek to silence our opinions if they do not match yours.
I am well educated. I went to Oxford (which was actually founded by Lincoln, so it's American).
What makes this country great is patriots. Patriots like McCain, Patton, Reagan, Appleseed, Franklin, Gunthrie and myself.
You sir are not a patriot. Do you know what the Statue of Liberty represents? Do you have the faintest clue? It represents our dominance over the world. France didn't give it to us as a gift, that's what they want you to think! We actually got it as a ransom.
"Give us a giant statue of a woman or we'll blow you up" - President Grover Cleavland.
Look it up, he did say that. The French of course had to comply because they were so terrified of American might. We had atom bombs and they didn't.
Oh and you're a terrorist. You liberal coward wuss terrorist osama-sympathizer. I bet you were dancing in the streets when 9/11 happened. You human sack of empathy
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Judge Awesomepossum
Minmatar Middle School Comedy Club
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Posted - 2008.07.12 19:29:00 -
[156]
Originally by: Xps Dana
Originally by: Judge Awesomepossum McCain defended the constitution while being water boarded by the vietcong, he knows what it's about don't you ever question his patriotism you anti-american HACK
Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.
so's your house.
USA USA USA
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Judge Awesomepossum
Minmatar Middle School Comedy Club
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Posted - 2008.07.12 19:31:00 -
[157]
Originally by: drakk3n I'm a brit, feeling really left out, as I have only one thing to say about 'merica.
Can we have our continent back, plz?
Come and take it you imperialistic bastards. Your queen is a *****
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Judge Awesomepossum
Minmatar Middle School Comedy Club
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Posted - 2008.07.12 19:33:00 -
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Edited by: Judge Awesomepossum on 12/07/2008 19:33:06
Originally by: Garan Savlar
Nicely put mate ... an intelligent and well argued post.
I assume you're also impressed by five year olds debating about who gets the last gummy worm.
Kid One -"I touched it last it's mine!" Kid Two -"No! I saw it so it's mine!" Garan Savlar -"Hmm...good retort."
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Drexis
Ascendant Strategies Inc. Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2008.07.12 20:24:00 -
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Ok after reading this whole thread, all I can say is the Middle Schoolers are obviously lying sacks of cow dung. How do I know they are lying? The fact that there stories are inconsistent and contradictory, they are trying way to hard to "prove" their "innoccence"(a clear sign of guilt) , also they changed this thread into a political debate once it was pretty clear that they were lying when someone pointed out they responded in 4 secs at one point in the chatlogs.
Which leads me to call them a sack of s*** because of their bad mouthing of the US presidential candidates like John MCCain. Someone needs to draft idiots like these and use them as foodder for the IEDs. We won't miss them and the real americans won't get hurt.
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Xps Dana
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Posted - 2008.07.12 20:25:00 -
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Originally by: Judge Awesomepossum
Originally by: Xps Dana
Originally by: Judge Awesomepossum McCain defended the constitution while being water boarded by the vietcong, he knows what it's about don't you ever question his patriotism you anti-american HACK
Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.
so's your house.
USA USA USA
Apartment*
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Judge Awesomepossum
Minmatar Middle School Comedy Club
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Posted - 2008.07.12 20:31:00 -
[161]
Originally by: Xps Dana
Originally by: Judge Awesomepossum
Originally by: Xps Dana
Originally by: Judge Awesomepossum McCain defended the constitution while being water boarded by the vietcong, he knows what it's about don't you ever question his patriotism you anti-american HACK
Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.
so's your house.
USA USA USA
Apartment*
Real Americans own homes.
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Xps Dana
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Posted - 2008.07.12 20:35:00 -
[162]
Edited by: Xps Dana on 12/07/2008 20:35:08
Originally by: Judge Awesomepossum
Real Americans own homes.
Real american don't trust politicians.
No Confidence 08
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2008.07.13 00:45:00 -
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Originally by: Judge Awesomepossum
Originally by: Chomin H'ak
Originally by: Judge Awesomepossum
I didn't want this to turn political but...
Remember last time we had a President with a disability? His name was F.D.R. Single handily freed Europe from the clutches of Na-zism. Once McCain wins he'll free the entire Middle East of Islamic Fanatics. Barack WHO'S-INSANE Osama will just turn tail and run. McCain is a war hero, Osama is a terrorist. You want a terrorist as a President? Might as well have Judas as Secretary of HONOR
You sir, are a COMPLETE moron.
FDR made every single american give the gov't their gold and destroyed the gold standard (the reason our current WORLD finances are in the crapper). Get a friggin clue (that's what I hate about repubicans, they make heroes out of people who have screwed over countless honest Americans for a simple buck/power)
FYI, dolt... FDR changed the constitution so he could have MOAR POWAR!
Thats what made FDR so great. Who else has the power to take gold from people? I didn't see Churchill do it because he was a fat man who smoked cigars and talked horribly. FDR was his ghost writer.
You know how Odin hanged himself for knowledge? FDR gave up his ability to use his legs to keep the world free. I didn't make this up, FDR told me himself.
STFU - CHURCHILL WAS FDR GHOSTWRITER I SAY SO!
SKUNK
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Zhao Tsu
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Posted - 2008.07.13 02:52:00 -
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Edited by: Zhao Tsu on 13/07/2008 02:54:02 Edited by: Zhao Tsu on 13/07/2008 02:53:25
Originally by: Judge Awesomepossum
Originally by: Xps Dana
Originally by: Judge Awesomepossum
Originally by: Xps Dana
Originally by: Judge Awesomepossum McCain defended the constitution while being water boarded by the vietcong, he knows what it's about don't you ever question his patriotism you anti-american HACK
Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.
so's your house.
USA USA USA
Apartment*
Real Americans own homes.
so....i live in an apartment, i live in america....went to hell (aka the sandbox) and came back home...
but guess i'm not a real american eh?
*edit* damn alt
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Bobo Chicken
Gallente Lions Of Judah
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Posted - 2008.07.13 13:16:00 -
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I really see this thread as an EPIC FAIL. But just for the sake of argument, I would rather believe the OP than any of the dumb kids from MSCC.
I don't know how the hell you claim to be honorable, then say that honor is for ***gots. Unless someone decided that contradictions are now a new fad, I would say... your reply is very sad.
The whole mix up about politics and presidents shouldn't even be here. Sure, FDR was a great president. He's dead, and no, he did not singlehandedly bring down **** Germany.
If you fly in low sec, and you get ransomed, well, sorry to say it sucks to be you. Either: pay up the full amount, try to negotiate for a lower amount, die (happens anyways most of the time), or try to fight.
Life is short, EVE is a game. Get over your losses, and man the f*** up MSCC... Its sad that you call yourselves pirates.
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Kurt Gergard
Caldari Custodes Mandati Imperii
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Posted - 2008.07.13 15:32:00 -
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About the ransom stuff 'nuff was said. But I will derail the topic a bit. It gets me realy anoyed when people talk about americans singlehanded winning WWII. Even if this was true (it realy comes down to deciding wheather the lendleese program for russians was important enough for them to repel the german) americans tend to forget that their president gave the whole central europe to stalin because he thought that stalin is a good chap (before anyone says sth about Churchil, Britany owed USA so much money that Churchil did not have any vote rights in Jalta and Teheran). And it realy buffles me why americans think that their country is the greatest and have the right to impose their standards upon everybody else. I mean americans are not wealther than citizens of the EU (especialy now when dolar is collapsing)(note that i talk about average citizen not the whole state). Maybe their culture is better. But then i turn on the tv and see a USA movie and that makes me sad beacuse of the lack of depth and inconsistency. I could write a lot about american books but don't have time atm. I am not antiamerican but when i read the post form blackmamba and other members of MSCC i try not to mumble ****in' redneks. "No plan has ever survived the contact with the enemy" von Moltke |
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Posted - 2008.07.13 17:21:00 -
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Originally by: Kurt Gergard About the ransom stuff 'nuff was said. But I will derail the topic a bit. It gets me realy anoyed when people talk about americans singlehanded winning WWII. Even if this was true (it realy comes down to deciding wheather the lendleese program for russians was important enough for them to repel the german) americans tend to forget that their president gave the whole central europe to stalin because he thought that stalin is a good chap (before anyone says sth about Churchil, Britany owed USA so much money that Churchil did not have any vote rights in Jalta and Teheran). And it realy buffles me why americans think that their country is the greatest and have the right to impose their standards upon everybody else. I mean americans are not wealther than citizens of the EU (especialy now when dolar is collapsing)(note that i talk about average citizen not the whole state). Maybe their culture is better. But then i turn on the tv and see a USA movie and that makes me sad beacuse of the lack of depth and inconsistency. I could write a lot about american books but don't have time atm. I am not antiamerican but when i read the post form blackmamba and other members of MSCC i try not to mumble ****in' redneks.
Rednecks are not real Americans. They are a lesser race we make live in the woods and **** in holes in the ground. This is because they smell, and there to stupid to be use full as a slave race.
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Sanka Cofie
Amarr Fractured Core
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Posted - 2008.07.13 17:59:00 -
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Edited by: Sanka Cofie on 13/07/2008 18:02:46
Originally by: Bobo Chicken The whole mix up about politics and presidents shouldn't even be here. Sure, FDR was a great president. He's dead, and no, he did not singlehandedly bring down **** Germany.
You ungrateful America-hating Europeans.
Of COURSE F.D.R single-handedly brought down Nazi Germany. With the less shaky of his two withered crippled hands he choked the Nazi war beast. Germans should be grateful that they live in a country where beer flows and the "national man shaft" (giggles) loses in major tournament finals.
To argue that he didn't is like saying that Ronald Reagan didn't destroy the Soviet Union using the power of his mind.*
*To all the people who not figured out that the MSCC is having EPIC LULZ at your expense, thank you. For I have achieved EPIC LULZ by proxy. ~-~-~-~-~ -[WillChat4ISK]- I can be the handsome Amarr space captain. You can be the helpless Minmatar slave girl. |
Xps Dana
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Posted - 2008.07.13 18:07:00 -
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To all the people that haven't figured out that every one of my posts has been a bump....I have nothing to say.
No Confidence 08
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Sanka Cofie
Amarr Fractured Core
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Posted - 2008.07.13 18:34:00 -
[170]
Edited by: Sanka Cofie on 13/07/2008 18:43:33 [Editted cuz I got one of my author's confused]
Originally by: Kurt Gergard About the ransom stuff 'nuff was said. But I will derail the topic a bit. It gets me realy anoyed when people talk about americans singlehanded winning WWII.
thats why we do it. we make you derail YOUR OWN topics. then we sip mojitos and fly off in our rofflecopters.
Originally by: Kurt Gergard Even if this was true (it realy comes down to deciding wheather the lendleese program for russians was important enough for them to repel the german) americans tend to forget that their president gave the whole central europe to stalin because he thought that stalin is a good chap
because WWIII would have been an extremely popular alternative?
Originally by: Kurt Gergard And it realy buffles me why americans think that their country is the greatest and have the right to impose their standards upon everybody else.
I'm sorry to hear that you've been buffled.
But you're right, it is quite disgusting to see the U.S. imposing its standards on everyone. Its standard of living I mean, raising the average life expectancy, income, improving sanitation, infant mortality rates, education, and infrastructure around the world. I really hate that the majority of developing countries (outside of Africa, poor Africa) have more millionaires now than ever before. I hate that the U.S. strongarmed the world into free trade so that Indians are buying crap British car companies and have medical and tech businesses which rival Euro / N. American ones, and those same people are now earning money doing what complacent under-educated Americans used to be able to do.
DAMN YOU GLOBAL AGREEMENT ON TARRIFS AND TRADE!!! DAMN YOU TO HELL!!! [shatner] GGGGGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATTTTTTTTT!!!! [/Shatner]
Incidentally all of that information is readily verifiable and was presented at a European conference... So before you go accussing we generous Americans who are sacrificing our own standard of living (because we're too ignorant to know better) to improve yours of being self-satisfied (cuz we're not, we're losing all of our menial jobs) remember it was one of YOURS who pointed that out.
Originally by: Kurt Gergard I mean americans are not wealther than citizens of the EU (especialy now when dolar is collapsing)(note that i talk about average citizen not the whole state).
You're welcome.
Originally by: Kurt Gergard Maybe their culture is better. But then i turn on the tv and see a USA movie and that makes me sad beacuse of the lack of depth and inconsistency.
If American movies are so crap then why does the whole world keep watching them? Please. We beg you. STOP. We don't want the next mindless summer blockbuster either. But when the top 10 grossing movies in various foreign countries are all stupid U.S. "high concept" films like ID4 and Titanic then thats what our greedy corporate fat-cats will make.
Originally by: Kurt Gergard I could write a lot about american books but don't have time atm.
Dude. I would LOVE it if you wrote about american books. Please.
Kurt Vonnegut? William Faulkner? (southerner) Mark Twain? (midwestern) Joseph Heller? Zora Neal Hurston? Tim O'Brien? Philip Roth? Edgar A. Poe? H.W. Longfellow? Ralph Waldo Emerson? F. Scott Fitzgerald? Hemingway?
and thats not even half of the great classic American fiction writers.
there are amazing poets. and contemporary novelists like Tim Dorsey, Michael Crichton, Tom Clancy.
for a bunch of rednecks MSCC sure made you look like a close-minded ass pretty easily.
~-~-~-~-~ -[WillChat4ISK]- I can be the handsome Amarr space captain. You can be the helpless Minmatar slave girl. |
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Nuru Cinkain
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Posted - 2008.07.13 21:29:00 -
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Originally by: Chomin H'ak Edited by: Chomin H''ak on 11/07/2008 22:41:28
Originally by: Judge Awesomepossum
I didn't want this to turn political but...
Remember last time we had a President with a disability? His name was F.D.R. Single handily freed Europe from the clutches of Na-zism. Once McCain wins he'll free the entire Middle East of Islamic Fanatics. Barack WHO'S-INSANE Osama will just turn tail and run. McCain is a war hero, Osama is a terrorist. You want a terrorist as a President? Might as well have Judas as Secretary of HONOR
You sir, are a COMPLETE moron.
FDR made every single american give the gov't their gold and destroyed the gold standard (the reason our current WORLD finances are in the crapper). Get a friggin clue (that's what I hate about repubicans, they make heroes out of people who have screwed over countless honest Americans for a simple buck/power)
FYI, dolt... FDR changed the constitution so he could have MOAR POWAR!
EDIT: Nvm, I just realized that these guys ARE 13. That explains the half-ass posts, the regurgitation of their parents crys for 'McCane, McCane!' and the nonsensical posts from the trolls in their corp. (Lots aren't there?)
My guess is it's 3 RL friends who have an army of alts stroking each other off in the CEO's basement while reading their posts to each other.
But I could be wrong. Whatever, I'm bored.
Because FDR was definitely a republican...
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Xps Dana
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Posted - 2008.07.14 06:20:00 -
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Originally by: Nuru Cinkain
Because FDR was definitely a republican...[/quote
Teddy is my favorit Roosevelt.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.07.14 07:19:00 -
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Originally by: Tchell Dahhn
Originally by: Venkul Mul By the same logic: Alchemos is a liar too: Alchemos too is using mill, reply in 5 seconds. so your deuction aren't so good Sherlock.
I think you missed the point, Watson. I'm saying that the line with "Mill" was ADDED by the OP, thus disproving his claims.
Come on, even someone with a fourth grade edjemacation would have figured that one out.
Unable to read, Sherlock? In Alchemos post of the same conversation he use mill too. I had already bolded for you in the first post, so I repost only the relevant pieces, so it is more visible:
Shade Aran version:
Originally by: Shade Aran [ 2008.07.09 20:34:16 ] Sekki Shin > 12 mill cause I am newby? ;-) [ 2008.07.09 20:34:22 ] Alchemos > 10mill and you live [ 2008.07.09 20:34:26 ] Sekki Shin > tnx
Alchemos version:
Originally by: Alchemos
[ 2008.07.09 20:34:17 ] Sekki Shin > 10 mill cause I am newby? ;-) [ 2008.07.09 20:34:22 ] Alchemos > 40mill and you live [ 2008.07.09 20:34:27 ] Sekki Shin > 10 mill all i got : (
Next time before commenting read all the quotes.
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Ok, since this one has already been derailed...
Its Japan that the EU should be sending thanks to. If Japan had not had the balls to attack the USA all of Europe would be speaking German.
As for the upcoming election in the USA, Barrack Obama is a young, intellegent, good looking, and excellent speaker, who has no clue how to command the most powerful military in the history of the world or manage the most complex and diverse ecomony in the world. If you wish to have more taxes, more regulation, more government, less military, worse healthcare then vote for Obama or move to London. Either way you get what you want.
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Xps Dana
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Posted - 2008.07.14 08:36:00 -
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Edited by: Xps Dana on 14/07/2008 08:37:38
Originally by: mirror image Ok, since this one has already been derailed...
Its Japan that the EU should be sending thanks to. If Japan had not had the balls to attack the USA all of Europe would be speaking German.
As for the upcoming election in the USA, Barrack Obama is a young, intellegent, good looking, and excellent speaker, who has no clue how to command the most powerful military in the history of the world or manage the most complex and diverse ecomony in the world. If you wish to have more taxes, more regulation, more government, less military, worse healthcare then vote for Obama or move to London. Either way you get what you want.
So basically your saying he's bush except he's young, intelligent, good looking, and an excellent speaker.
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mirror image
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Posted - 2008.07.14 08:50:00 -
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So basically your saying he's bush except he's young, intelligent, good looking, and an excellent speaker.
No, what im trying to convey to you and the neuron deficient ppl like you, is that if you want a more socialized government vote for Obama. If you want to see the results of such a government move to London. If not, unfortunately the only other choice is McCain, but with McCain comes muturity and at least some knowledge of commanding the military. Hopefully if elected McCain will surround himself with ppl that know how to run the ecomony.
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Xps Dana
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Posted - 2008.07.14 09:10:00 -
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Originally by: mirror image
So basically your saying he's bush except he's young, intelligent, good looking, and an excellent speaker.
No, what im trying to convey to you and the neuron deficient ppl like you, is that if you want a more socialized government vote for Obama. If you want to see the results of such a government move to London. If not, unfortunately the only other choice is McCain, but with McCain comes muturity and at least some knowledge of commanding the military. Hopefully if elected McCain will surround himself with ppl that know how to run the ecomony.
I find it funny that you have faith in any politician. I hope some day you realize that anyone seeking power is doing so for there own ego. Your personal attack against me, and other neuron deficient people like me only serves to show your own insecurity and inability to communicate a rational argument.
I'm* maturity* economy*
No confidence 08
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Posted - 2008.07.14 09:41:00 -
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No confidence 08
I never claimed to be an excellent typist or English professor. Your inability to make any rational arguments in Obama's defense proves that you have no idea what Obama stands for. In fact, your only argument is that you hate Bush so you like Obama and that is sad.
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Xps Dana
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Posted - 2008.07.14 15:39:00 -
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Originally by: mirror image
No confidence 08
I never claimed to be an excellent typist or English professor. Your inability to make any rational arguments in Obama's defense proves that you have no idea what Obama stands for. In fact, your only argument is that you hate Bush so you like Obama and that is sad.
Hmmm... Please show me where I said I like Obama?
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CCP Mitnal
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Posted - 2008.07.14 17:27:00 -
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Locked.
Please keep real life politics off the forums.
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