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Borg017 0utbreak	Posted - 2008.07.15 01:21:00 - [61] Any of you who claim that we should shelter and comfort those vile Amarrians deserve to die the same painful death as the Amarr. Those who talk of caring and compassion have never seen our brothers and sisters suffer at the hands of those ruthless slavers have you? You truly are blind and you, too, will be dealt with severely as the Ammatar will. Any Minmatar citizen caught offering help to any Amarr will die a traitors death. -----------------------------------------------
BloodBird Gallente Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2008.07.15 01:33:00 - [62] And I guess that YOU are able to do an exellent job at passing blame to anyone dumb enough to NOT out-right hate the Amarr and scream incoherently for their blood, ne? If your not 100% with us and agree fully to anything we say, we will kill you. If you don't desire to kill all of them regardless of actions based on the racist notion they are all Amarr you will be killed. If you so much as dare to speak up agains our vile ways we will kill you. In short - do as I say or die, is this not the way it works, dear freedom fighter? Strange, that reminds me of two things. Firstly, how much you sound like an Amarrian slaver. OBEY OR DIE! Secondly, how your desire to spread "freedom", apparently don't include freedom of speech, or diffrence in oppinion. Hypocrytical scum. But then again, you are in Outbreak, those capsuleers are well known pirates. I guess morals and ethics are consepts you left behind long ago, in favor of... well, this here. Please, by all means, make more threats. I'm really, really scared now, and will definitly not state my oppinions anymore... Sig source
Kade Jeekin Kinda'Shujaa	Posted - 2008.07.15 09:46:00 - [63] BloodBird, it is good that the Federal Defence Union allies with the Minmatar cause. Do not presume however, that this gives you a right to preach to us on our moral duty. We are those who have suffered. We are those who will take back our people, whatever it takes. Now is the time for blood and sweat. If the Amarrians should sue for peace then we may readdress the issue. Outbreak have committed, it is enough. --------------------------------------- Outface the depths of evil with clarity ---------------------------------------
MirrorGod Heretic Militia	Posted - 2008.07.15 13:47:00 - [64] Originally by: Nicoletta Mithra Originally by: MirrorGod Make no mistake, I am not a righteous person. I have become a monster to fight the horrors I saw in the amarr empire. I am everything they say I am, and I am very proud of myself. I will not say that I am just, but I will say that my cause is. The minmatar people truely fight for a righteous cause, and while I am past redemption, it is the least I can do to serve and lead in it's name. Mr MirrorGod I never trusted people that told me that they are not righteous but are fighting for a righteous cause. For how can one be fighting for a righteous cause without constantly doing rightous things? It seems to me that is not possible, for rightousness is delivered by righteous actions. And how can one constantly do righteous things, without being righteous? This also seems impossible, for we are what we constantly do. So if you are not a righteous person but a monster you're so because you commit monstrous crimes. And if you commit monstrous crimes, to reach a righteous cause, you already failed, for monstrous crimes will never achive something righteous. Better try to fight monsters as human and risk to die in the process, than becoming a monster to kill the monsters. For in the latter case you've already lost everything you should fight for. Maybe you should reconsider the words of Captain Yarn. There's always a way back. Yours faithfully N. Mithra Denial is what I see in you. I don't care who you are or where you've come from, the moment you enter that capsule, you become a monster, something we were never meant to be and everything we were destined to be. "Usurpers to the heavenly throne", "Responsible for the deaths of thousands by single thoughts" -- it's true what they say about us. I'm a commander in a war of nations, and I make decisions daily that result in the deaths of thousands of crew members. This is the same for any capsuleer from any organization fighting for any cause. We are all monsters, the only difference is that I have accepted it, and if you're going to accept attrocity, I find that the best course of action is to atleast attempt to turn that attrocity to good, to use a weapon of murder to end a reign of oppression. Everything "good" is still planetside, right where we left it, the only thing you'll find up here is greedy scum, religious zealots and violent murders -- more often than not a combination of two or more. Recruitment: [ANTI]
Nicoletta Mithra Amarr Aretaic Turn	Posted - 2008.07.15 16:14:00 - [65] Edited by: Nicoletta Mithra on 15/07/2008 16:14:53 Mr MirrorGod You see what you want to see. Actually I think it's much easier to 'accept that we are monsters' and go on commiting your crimes, for it is a cheap excuse to do so. I have found more "up here" than greedy scum, religious zealots and violent murderers, you though seem to be a quasi-religous zealot and a violent muderer. Anyway, my main point wasn't that we are or aren't monsters, but that if you are a monster, you are so because you commit vile crimes and that we are generally unable to "turn attrocity to good" because there simply is no way to "turn attrocity to good". Thus your claim that you do what you do (vile crimes) for the sake of freedom and justice is not really believable, but rather unbelievable. And if you accept attrocity, I wonder why you insist that you follow a righteous cause and don't simply claim that you are a monster - full stop. And if everything good is still planetside in your opinion, I wonder why you aren't there? Yours faithfully N. Mithra
BloodBird Gallente Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2008.07.15 22:31:00 - [66] Originally by: Kade Jeekin BloodBird, it is good that the Federal Defence Union allies with the Minmatar cause. Do not presume however, that this gives you a right to preach to us on our moral duty. Perhaps not, but my oppinion is as free as yours on these boards, and I have made it. In my humble oppinion, the moral duty of the Minmatar is to liberate their people from the Amarrian slavers and slaveholders, not to massacre the Amarr while you are at it. To some freedom fighters, those two are one and the same, and I would say otherwise, any day. When freeing your people, I will freely stand by you, aid you, send you supplies, ammunition, aid in transporting and the handling of logistics, I will cheer for you, and help transport your freed people wherever they wish to go, and much, much more. All of that I would do if you asked it of me (and I was not occupied elsewhere) and more, but I would NEVER, EVER stand by you or support you in any way if you needlessly harmed the Amarr. By 'needlessly harming the Amarr' I don't mean the killing of the slavers, or the blind fools in power, or anyone that tries to stand against you as you free the slaves. By all means, do kill them, they deserve it and more. They deserve it for twisting their own people's faith to their own benefit, for whipping a whole nation into a blind mob of ignorants, for preaching a right, a right, of all things, to steal, abduct, torture and enslave others based on genetics... based on an excuse handed down by a God, to do these vile things. Those who enslave for their own good and to further their own cause deserve nothing less then to die, but this don't encompass all of the Amarr. The average man and woman who are nothing but commoners in Amarrian imperial society do not deserve to be ruthlessly massacered by your men simply for being born in the Empire. There is a diffrence, one you need to realize. Even those who own slaves, should not be killed off by default simply for owning one or more slaves, most are after all, merely following a norm in thier society. Killing all of them will require simply way to many lives, and will turn you all into monsters before your task is done. If one killed slave owners based on their treatment of slaves, things would be diffrent. As an example, we have Veron Dearth. If the things he claim to do are true, (and none of us have a realistic reason to think he don't) then he should be spared. his slaves, if they desire to leave, should be taken. People like Darth Sage and Archbishop however, I think would be treated... less well. When all slaves are free, there should be billions of Amarrian people left alive if you did it all right, or they could be in the process of being killed off due to bloodline, if you do it all wrong. Now, what I reacted to agressively to, was a few words from your companion in Outbreak: Originally by: Borg017 Any of you who claim that we should shelter and comfort those vile Amarrians deserve to die the same painful death as the Amarr. By this line, I assumed he was aiming at me. I never said you should shelter or comfort the Amarr, I merely ask you show restraint and more importantly, do not sink to the level of the slavers. You are far better than that, or you should be, simply because most of you who were ever slaves should know how it was like to be under anyone's heel or treated like crap for no good reason. Be the better men, and don't over-react. If you don't over-react, you will also conserve far more allies who would gladly help you. I know for a fact I would. But not if you turn into things as bad or worse than them. It is your moral duty, as free once-enslaved matari, to prevent this from happening. I would love to help you, Minmatar, but I refuse to aid an executioner that blindly follows his hate to become worse than his foe. It's that simple. Sig source
Doc Extropy Gallente Kinda'Shujaa	Posted - 2008.07.15 22:38:00 - [67] Edited by: Doc Extropy on 15/07/2008 22:43:27 Edited by: Doc Extropy on 15/07/2008 22:41:35 Originally by: "BloodBird" Even those who own slaves, should not be killed off by default simply for owning one or more slaves, most are after all, merely following a norm in thier society. Killing all of them will require simply way to many lives, and will turn you all into monsters before your task is done. If one killed slave owners based on their treatment of slaves, things would be diffrent. This is were we see things different. Every single person ever making profit from slavery, and if it is only a single ISK, deserves death. Cultural and ethical relativism must not have a place in civilization. There is a fixed norm that must be uphold at all costs. Of course, the Amarr people need to learn to WORK for themselves, so reagrarisation of the so called "Amarr Empire" (which is nothing but a bunch of torturers, slavers, villains and other scum) would be the right way to go, of course by internationalisation of what they occupy now as their territory. When the "cultural" legacy of the Amarr (which is a contradiction in itself, because what they have is far from being a culture) is eradicated completely, THEN they may join the civilized people of New Eden again. An not a second before that. Their god, their beliefs and their heritage must be eliminated. --- Skill queue now! Nerf skillpoint loss and half done skills! WE ARE PAYING CUSTOMERS AND DESERVE MAXIMUM COMFORT!
MirrorGod Heretic Militia	Posted - 2008.07.15 23:11:00 - [68] Originally by: Nicoletta Mithra Edited by: Nicoletta Mithra on 15/07/2008 16:14:53 Mr MirrorGod You see what you want to see. Actually I think it's much easier to 'accept that we are monsters' and go on commiting your crimes, for it is a cheap excuse to do so. I have found more "up here" than greedy scum, religious zealots and violent murderers, you though seem to be a quasi-religous zealot and a violent muderer. Anyway, my main point wasn't that we are or aren't monsters, but that if you are a monster, you are so because you commit vile crimes and that we are generally unable to "turn attrocity to good" because there simply is no way to "turn attrocity to good". Thus your claim that you do what you do (vile crimes) for the sake of freedom and justice is not really believable, but rather unbelievable. And if you accept attrocity, I wonder why you insist that you follow a righteous cause and don't simply claim that you are a monster - full stop. You do realize the four empires are at -war-, yes? That's war, not the petty squabbles between capsuleer corporations. War, like the kind where millions are slaughterd by navies for the wills of politicians, priests and rulers. Do you get that yet? Anyone involved, their cause good or bad, righteous or corrupt, is a murderer. Even if you're not directly involved, more likely or not, you have a reason to be guilty. What I'm gettign at, Ms. Mithra, is when you enter that capsule you become capable of things the human race never should have been capable of, and at the same time, something it's always desired. It's something that many argue makes us not human at all but transhuman, with many accepting the idea goign so far as to make it into a movement. Out of the capsule, I'm sure we're all pretty refined, hell, I'm sure the great majority of us can put on an act like we never murdered anyone, I know I can. I dont do "vile crimes" for the sake of freedom. I make amarr loyal ships explode, I choose who and in what order my enemies perish. But you have to admit that murder in any form, whether for profit, for god, or for freedom, is never pretty. Also, I'm not very religious...at all. Originally by: Nicoletta Mithra And if everything good is still planetside in your opinion, I wonder why you aren't there? Why aren't Rodj blake, Andreus Ixiris, Izzy Chan or Jade Constantine planteside? Why aren't you? Recruitment: [ANTI]
BloodBird Gallente Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2008.07.15 23:12:00 - [69] That's just the thing. The vast majority of Amarr do work for themselves, slaving away to earn a living and serve the ones above on the social ranking ladder. The ones that don't, are the social elite, the holders, slavers, religions heads of state and most slave-holders. I would argue that men like Veron Daerth seem to work rather hard, but then, men like he (and his beliefs) is the exception, not the rule. This is why I find it important to diffrenciate on how slaves are treated, some actually try to change society from within, and these should not, must not be killed for their efforts, or else the ones in power will gain yet another powerfull propaganda media to feed to their oppressed people. (The Matari kill even the radicals that seek to abolish or soften slavery from within) If these were allowed to live, it would be a sign to the Amarrian people you are merely there to free your slaves and end the lives of the harsh slave-holders, as well as the ones in power holding the chain of the Amarrian people as a whole. I do not want to see every Amarrian dead, I want to see them all free from their oppressive government. Sig source
Nicoletta Mithra Amarr Aretaic Turn	Posted - 2008.07.16 05:19:00 - [70] Mr MirrorGod I'll try to answer all your questions, so I decided to go through your reply one thing at the time. Originally by: MirrorGod You do realize the four empires are at -war-, yes? That's war, not the petty squabbles between capsuleer corporations. War, like the kind where millions are slaughterd by navies for the wills of politicians, priests and rulers. Do you get that yet? Been raised as a Soldier. Got that. Actually it's nothing new to me. Originally by: MirrorGod Anyone involved, their cause good or bad, righteous or corrupt, is a murderer. Even if you're not directly involved, more likely or not, you have a reason to be guilty. Well, murder is the unlawful killing of a human person with malice aforethought. Thus murder is generally distinguished from other forms of homicide by the elements of malice aforethought and the lack of lawful justification. A murderer is someone who commits murder. I've never committed homicide with malicious aforethought and lack of lawful justification. And actually, every combatant in a war is justified by law to commit homicide on the combatants of the enemy faction. So, simply put, if you are righteous, thus commiting homicide only with lawful justification you can't be a murderer. Originally by: MirrorGod What I'm gettign at, Ms. Mithra, is when you enter that capsule you become capable of things the human race never should have been capable of, and at the same time, something it's always desired. It's something that many argue makes us not human at all but transhuman, with many accepting the idea goign so far as to make it into a movement. One Amarrian concept that I hold exceedingly dear is that just because many people accept something that doesn't make whatever they accept right and true. That's additionally common sense, I guess, otherwise you'd have to accept the existence of God merely by merit of all the people accepting that he exists. Aside this, I guess I simply don't believe you that "when you enter that capsule you become capable of things the human race never should have been capable of". If God didn't want us to invent capsule technology, why were we able to do so? Additionally for a secular argument, I hold that not what you are able to do decides if you are human or not, but the way you decide to use that abilities. Originally by: MirrorGod Out of the capsule, I'm sure we're all pretty refined, hell, I'm sure the great majority of us can put on an act like we never murdered anyone, I know I can. I dont do "vile crimes" for the sake of freedom. I make amarr loyal ships explode, I choose who and in what order my enemies perish. But you have to admit that murder in any form, whether for profit, for god, or for freedom, is never pretty. Neither is homicide in any other form, but sometimes some forms of it are necessary and even righteous and good. Originally by: MirrorGod Also, I'm not very religious...at all. But you worship 'freedom' pretty much with your bloody sacrifices, if you excuse the rather flowery language. That's why I said "quasi-religious". Originally by: Nicoletta Mithra Why aren't Rodj blake, Andreus Ixiris, Izzy Chan or Jade Constantine planteside? Why aren't you? Actually I spend most of my time planetsides. But simply put, because I have good reasons to assume that your proposition that "everything good is still planetside" is wrong. I guess the same is true for the others you mention. It's your decision to murder Amarr, the crew of a capsuleer racer or not. So, in conclusion, if you want to be a monster, so be it, but don't expect that you're able to justify what you do. And accept that the same is simply not true for every capsuleer out there. Especially not for the miner who's getting his Trit out of some 'roids or the industrialist building shuttles. And there are much more of these capsuleers than you imagine, I guess.

MirrorGod Heretic Militia	Posted - 2008.07.16 07:22:00 - [71] If it helps you sleep at night, Ms. Mithra. Recruitment: [ANTI]
Borg017 0utbreak	Posted - 2008.07.17 20:57:00 - [72] Originally by: BloodBird Hypocrytical scum. Watch your mouth boy! Next time you insult us, you will find yourself at the pointed end of an artillery cannon. Hell, I might even ask you what flavor you like...EMP or Phased Plasma? Perhaps you would like to consult the "victimized" Amarr on the choice? -----------------------------------------------
Megan Maynard Minmatar Heretic Militia	Posted - 2008.07.19 19:29:00 - [73] Until there is understanding of the Amarr people, we cannot co-exist. There are no other options. Either a people wholly understand another, or both must seek to destroy each other. As long as our people are enslaved in the name of "GOD", I will seek the destruction of the Amarr existence. There is no gray area...........
Buduran Amarr	Posted - 2008.07.20 16:54:00 - [74] Fellow pilots, please. Let's be realistic here. The Republic forces cannot cast down the Eternal Empire completely, they are simply too small to achieve such an impossible goal. The war we're in may last for decades, and should widespread and indiscriminate murder of the Amarrian people become commonplace, I'm sure the news will travel very fast and have serious consequences. First, should your allies, the Gallente, hear of it, their support for your cause might end, their supplies will stop flowing into your warehouses and your war effort will be weakenned. I'm sure there is no need to explain the consequences of that. Second, war tends to push people to utilise the rule of "eye for an eye". Should you play it dirty, the imperial commanders shall be strengthenned in their view of you as mindless savages. Planets and systems will change hands many times I'm sure, and should the Empire be on the winning side at a given point in time, taking over an inhabited Minmatar world - it's populace might be in danger of facing the same fate that you intend for the Amarrians. Consider this, please, and may God give You peaceful flight this day.
Megan Maynard Minmatar Heretic Militia	Posted - 2008.07.20 18:50:00 - [75] Originally by: Buduran Fellow pilots, please. Let's be realistic here. The Republic forces cannot cast down the Eternal Empire completely, they are simply too small to achieve such an impossible goal. The war we're in may last for decades, and should widespread and indiscriminate murder of the Amarrian people become commonplace, I'm sure the news will travel very fast and have serious consequences. First, should your allies, the Gallente, hear of it, their support for your cause might end, their supplies will stop flowing into your warehouses and your war effort will be weakenned. I'm sure there is no need to explain the consequences of that. Second, war tends to push people to utilise the rule of "eye for an eye". Should you play it dirty, the imperial commanders shall be strengthenned in their view of you as mindless savages. Planets and systems will change hands many times I'm sure, and should the Empire be on the winning side at a given point in time, taking over an inhabited Minmatar world - it's populace might be in danger of facing the same fate that you intend for the Amarrians. Consider this, please, and may God give You peaceful flight this day. Small??? SMALL???? This "Small" republic force has defeated the mockery that is the amarr militia hands down. When low sec is ours, your crummy high sec systems are next.
Maris Blackbanner	Posted - 2008.07.20 23:58:00 - [76] The Amarr, ever since the late murdered emperor, have taken ever small steps towards reform, especially in the treatment of slaves. Its no easy task. This is an Empire proud of its traditions that have lasted for thousands of years and such ideas simply would not go away, even under the threat of a gun. It will in fact, reinforced it. If you would be foolish enough to try and fast forward that process of an Empire multiple billions and trillions strong to suit your wet dreams, I would warn you that it will only unite all Amarrians, reformers, neutral and hardliners alike, against any who wishes to wholly annihilate the Empire. You do not back a sleeping giant into a corner, it WILL lash out. The consequences would be something you will not wish upon yourself and the cluster. What you are seeing now are only the actions of small Amarr militias, mostly made up of hardliners. Most of the Amarr capsuleer population are not engaged in this foolish proxy war. But when push comes to shove, we Amarr will do what is necessary to sa***uard our homes and livelihoods. The Amarr militias, when determined, can accomplish amazing things. Lets not even count the full fury that it will be when the full might of the Imperial Navy are mobilized for war. God, grant us the Strength to stand against those who stand against Faith!
Kitoba Minmatar Legion of Dynamic Discord	Posted - 2008.07.21 09:52:00 - [77] Originally by: Nicoletta Mithra I never trusted people that told me that they are not righteous but are fighting for a righteous cause. For how can one be fighting for a righteous cause without constantly doing rightous things? It seems to me that is not possible, for rightousness is delivered by righteous actions. What a splendid display of naive Amarrian paganism. You people really know nothing about Man or the Universe except what aids you to enslave people, be them those that are called slaves or the rest of your wretched society. With open eyes, the goal is the way. Sleeping, the way revolves around itself. I do not at all expect you to understand this. If you did, we wouldn't have to shoot you.
Absolom Hues Gallente Strix Armaments and Defence	Posted - 2008.07.21 16:02:00 - [78] Originally by: MirrorGod ... Our target is not the genocide of a race of people, the target is a religion, it is a government. Our targets are the causes of racism, slavery and oppresions themselves, and nothing more.... I understand the desire to end this system of slavery, and completely agree. It is my opinion that a true form of free government would allow it's population the freedom to choose it's religion... but the religion can not be forced on the population. Nor can racism be allowed to be practiced on others. Anywise good response. ___ Serving the Gallente Federation... one Caldari ship at a time.
Kitoba Minmatar Legion of Dynamic Discord	Posted - 2008.07.21 17:38:00 - [79] Originally by: Absolom Hues Nor can racism be allowed to be practiced on others. Go hide behind your drones, frogeater! SCNR We got a racial right of free taunting, you know.
Grak Yarn	Posted - 2008.07.21 23:59:00 - [80] Some very interesting discussion, but some rather going tangental from the original context of the paper. Please dont let this divulge to name calling and personal attacks.

BloodBird Gallente Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2008.07.22 02:55:00 - [81] An audio transmission is opened, starting by playing an older transmission Originally by: Borg017 Originally by: BloodBird Hypocrytical scum. Watch your mouth boy! Next time you insult us, you will find yourself at the pointed end of an artillery cannon. Hell, I might even ask you what flavor you like...EMP or Phased Plasma? Perhaps you would like to consult the "victimized" Amarr on the choice? Tries the word in diffrent tunes and pitches, as if tasting it Boy? Boy. Boy! Boy... auditory goes on as a male, calm and emotionally neutral voice speaks. For your information, Mr.Borg017, the expression "Boy" has terms. Firstly, the one adressed as such must be male, and considerable younger than the one adressing him. That the user is considerably more mature or in some way supperior to the one being adressed helps, too. For your information, I am 25 years of age, and considered by most the people who know me to be relatively respectfull and polite unless I'm angered or all-out enraged. The only fitting part of your attempted insulting of me was the 'being male' part. Otherwise you just betrayed a flaw; hubris. Your easy to taunt, easy to annoy. Regardless, my original statement stands; you seem to wish all of Amarr dead, something I deeply object to, this is allready stated elsewere. Perhaps I should have been less agressive but it's to late now, damage done. In the long run, considering who I'm talking to I have little to no regrets in regards to my chosed method of adressing you, your a pirate after all. I hate pirates, with a passion. I'd still put that sentiment aside, and help you, was it not for your overly agressive feelings on the matter of what to do with the Amarrian people while you liberate the enslaved members of their society. I've allready covered that elsewhere though as have you, so I'll not get into that. O, and trying to act big and powerfull by asking me what type of ammunition I'd like you to use on me is just... well, childish, really. If you think your scaring me, your mistaken. I consider this matter adressed so will leave it be, for now. The message ends Sig source
Veron Daerth Amarr Blood Meridian	Posted - 2008.07.22 03:41:00 - [82] I have given this a lot of thought, and have considered the positions and ideas of many that have been presented herein. Some thoughts and pointers on them. --There are those that claim that God does not exist. He obviously cannot exist because He told the Amarr to do terrible things and they all do them in His name.-- This is flawed thinking. Many peoples in the cluster believe in a higher power or a spirit or a cosmic force that guides, links, watches or what have you, all of us. Amarrians call it God. God did not tell the Amarrians to enslave anyone. He told us to conquer and reclaim the stars and the peoples of the cluster so as to teach them enlightenment. There are many ways to do this. Enslaving and killing people are not good ways to accomplish this goal. However, they are good ways to gain wealth and power. That Greed and Lust are sins is ignored or downplayed by those in power is nothing new. To think that all Amarrians believe as our rulers do is equally fallacious. That said, advocating the forcible destruction of our Faith will result in an all out genocidal war that will result in the death of most of the slaves of the Empire at the hands of their masters and the Imperial Forces rather than let them become "corrupted" by their "liberators". The actions taken by Imperial forces after then annihilation of the Elder Fleet above Mekhios should have shown you this. The fact that there were many hundreds of thousands, possibly millions of freed slaves aboard the ships of that Fleet when Lady Sarum obliterated them from existence like insects should tell you how much the lives of those slaves weighed in her eyes. The obvious answer is to change the dogma of the Faith to reflect a more loving and caring aspect of God, to change how people see Him from the Angry Conquerer, to the loving and beneficent Father. There have been many Reformations of the Faith in the past, perhaps it is time for another? --All Amarrians are slave-owning, abusive, killing, murdering scum. They should be killed without mercy.--This is foolish. With the price of slaves being what they are, especially since Emperor's Heideran and Doriam II outlawed the taking of slaves from outside the borders of the Empire, there are many in the Empire that cannot afford slaves. Most citizens of the Empire cannot. Most commoners are sworn to their local Holders, those Holders are in turn sworn to their regional Lord Holders, then the Planetary Holders, then the Holders of that Sector, then the Heir of the House that region of space belongs to, or to another independent Holder that is sworn to the Empress in turn. Usually, only the Holders and Nobles own any quantity of slaves. Some wealthy merchants also own slaves, and some commoners have inherited slaves from their forefathers. (I actually have inherited all my slaves from my father, and his ancestors) The prohibitive costs of slaves requires these people to exercise care and to value their lives, they are too expensive to replace easily. The exception to this is those that can afford to waste slaves. High Nobles, Holders, Lord Holders and such can. Many do not. Some do, and I cant help that. I do not abuse my slaves, and I dont profit from them. They serve me, and I serve them. Thats how its supposed to work, but I wont say it always does. <the comms channel becomes somewaht static filled and fuzzy>
Veron Daerth Amarr Blood Meridian	Posted - 2008.07.22 04:01:00 - [83] <the channel clears> I wish things were different, but they arent. So we have to work with what we are given. --The government of the Empire is evil, and should be destroyed because it isnt a democracy.-- This is actually somewhat amusing. The Matari Tribal government (the democratic Republic fell, remember) isnt a democracy. The Megacorps of the Caldari State arent either. Their CEO's and Tribal Elders are not elected. It is a historical fact that democracies are fundamentally unstable and shortsighted when compared to say, a monarchy. The people that make up a democracy are prone to hysteria and to be led like sheep by the person that speaks the loudest and can charm the greatest number of people. This is often not beneficial to the greater wellbeing of the society. People are often lazy, apathetic, greedy, and do not wish to be exercised to any greater extent than they must. Democracies play on these sentiments by promising equitable treatment for all, and the fallacious belief that "the people have all the power". The people do not. The legislative bodies do, and keep it. They do so by playing parts of the population against each other and through the creation of "issues" that without the interference of those using the "issues" to gain power and popularity, would resolve themselves in due time. A democracy can and often does last a long time, and usually through the offices of a huge bureaucracy that can "paper over the cracks" as it were. But an Empire is more fundamentally stable. The government of the Empire could do with a big dose of modernity and change, the vast majority of Amarrians would prefer if the Imperial system remained. Some of just dont like who is in charge. --We are monsters because of what and who we are. We should get over ourselves and act like the beasts we are and try to make our own ideals and ways of thinking supreme through acts of horrific violence.-- You are a monster because you choose to be. Humans have killed since we first walked. This is nothing new. Pod pilots have the opportunity to kill in greater numbers and on a horrific scale, but so do those people that crew the standard ships of the various Factions. Each of us has to come to a point where we look at what we have become and say to ourselves "stop". Each day, all of us looks into the Abyss, and rest assured, it looks back at us. Whether or not you choose to leap into it, well, thats your choice. I show mercy where and when I can. I aid and comfort those that cannot defend themselves from those that would harm them. (where and as I can) I have done horrible things, and make no excuses. They were horrible, and I repent them. Many have fallen to my lasers, and that is sad, but I have never not granted clemency where it as sincerely asked of me. I have never killed those that could not fight back. And I will never seek to commit genocide, of anyone. Those that do, are a threat to us all, for many reasons. They should be hunted and destroyed before they get us all killed. These are just a few of the things that I see each day here and elsewhere. It makes me sad to see that those of you that should stand tall, fighting for a goal of peace and freedom for those that wish it, would stoop so low as to slaughter and kill without pause or thought. You are animals, and should be treated as such. A man does his duty in regards to killing his enemies and goes no further. The beast goes further, and kills for the sport, for the pleasure, and for the perversion of a selfish ideal. Do not fall for this, Pilots. Your souls hang in the balance. Many of you profess to not believe in God, but I tell you true, He believes in you. May God show you the mercy and wisdom you showed to others.
Vikarion Caldari Onyx Syndicate	Posted - 2008.07.22 04:23:00 - [84] The more I listen to the Minmatar "freedom fighters", the more I become convinced that, even were the Empire to free all of its slaves tomorrow, there would be no peace or truce, only bolder calls for punishment and extermination. The matari forces are flushed with victory, and many of them will rest at nothing less than genocide on a galactic scale. Not that I care, but I do find the Amarr markets convenient. -------- Innocence Proves Nothing Kill Them All!
HankMurphy Minmatar Pelennor Enterprises	Posted - 2008.07.23 01:01:00 - [85] I respectfully disagree. Kill them. Kill them all and let their god sort them out. Don't feel bad about it. We still have the moral high ground. Death is a better end than slavery. /If I could burn space I wouldn't leave a single trace they ever existed. ------------------------------ of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most
Misuto Horuda	Posted - 2008.07.23 03:55:00 - [86] Originally by: HankMurphy I respectfully disagree. Kill them. Kill them all and let their god sort them out. Don't feel bad about it. We still have the moral high ground. Death is a better end than slavery. If I could burn space I wouldn't leave a single trace they ever existed. Moral high ground? You would justify the deaths of men, women, and children by their race; yet dare to claim yourself any better than they who had enslaved your race for the same reason? You would point at the suffering your people have endured, but would be completely blind to the reality that if ever you pursued such a grim task as complete erradication of the Amarran people, that the consequences would spill over amongst YOUR OWN PEOPLE. Are you so naive as to believe that your people would not suffer in the process? That for the Amarran planaets you glassed, Matari world's would not also be burned as your enemy resisted with equal disdain and mercilessness? Why don't you take time to consider the reality that such WOULD happen and that a great many of your own would die for the sake of such needless hate. Then, when you have considered that at length, ask yourself-- are you really fighting for freedom or for your people? If you would knowingly accept your own being massacred in equal measure, then you cannot claim at all to be doing it for them or for anything other than to satisfy your own burning desire for vengence.
Vikarion Caldari Onyx Syndicate	Posted - 2008.07.23 05:40:00 - [87] You know, after reading this, I'm really starting to get a bit of perspective on the Caldari-Gallente conflict. See, we're happily blowing each other into little bits, but we have no intention of killing every man, woman, and child on the opposing side. Heck, most of us don't even want more than to expand into a few of the low-security systems or hold a certain planet in perpetuity. Meanwhile, the Amarr are planning mass re-enslavements while the Minmatar are trying for total or, at the minimum, near genocide and cultural sterilization. Maybe we in the State and Federation should put aside our relatively minor differences and wipe these mad dogs out before they turn on us. -------- Innocence Proves Nothing Kill Them All!
Redbad Minmatar TSL Wolfpack	Posted - 2008.07.23 08:32:00 - [88] The war has just started, thoughts of peace are to be far from us now in these times of liberation and sacrifice. A lot of worldshaping (and -shaking) events have passed all factions the last weeks. For the Tribes I can say that Maleatu Shakor has just been appointed to execute the spirit of the Elders, and do not forget; it takes time to reshape the Republic to a form more suitable for us. There is only a few things to do for Minmatar: we believe in the Elders, we are true to our roots, we follow Shakor, ..., be inspired. RB
HankMurphy Minmatar Pelennor Enterprises	Posted - 2008.07.23 09:09:00 - [89] Edited by: HankMurphy on 23/07/2008 09:11:33 Originally by: Misuto Horuda Originally by: HankMurphy I respectfully disagree. Kill them. Kill them all and let their god sort them out. Don't feel bad about it. We still have the moral high ground. Death is a better end than slavery. If I could burn space I wouldn't leave a single trace they ever existed. Moral high ground? You would justify the deaths of men, women, and children by their race; yet dare to claim yourself any better than they who had enslaved your race for the same reason? You would point at the suffering your people have endured, but would be completely blind to the reality that if ever you pursued such a grim task as complete erradication of the Amarran people, that the consequences would spill over amongst YOUR OWN PEOPLE. Are you so naive as to believe that your people would not suffer in the process? That for the Amarran planaets you glassed, Matari world's would not also be burned as your enemy resisted with equal disdain and mercilessness? Why don't you take time to consider the reality that such WOULD happen and that a great many of your own would die for the sake of such needless hate. Then, when you have considered that at length, ask yourself-- are you really fighting for freedom or for your people? If you would knowingly accept your own being massacred in equal measure, then you cannot claim at all to be doing it for them or for anything other than to satisfy your own burning desire for vengence. They would suffer whether i did what i do or not. and yes, i would justify it that way. When your ppl have been driven into the darkest depths of hell, you know the only way to get them out is to become the devil himself. It may be cliche to say it, but it's also the truth... they started this, before I and my father were born they started this war. We will finish it. To hell and back again a thousand times if need be. ------------------------------ of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most
Kitoba Minmatar Legion of Dynamic Discord	Posted - 2008.07.23 11:40:00 - [90] Originally by: HankMurphy Until they stop starring into the empty night for forgiveness and stare into my eyes and those of my brothers. Hank, I love you.

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