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Gin Moon
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Posted - 2008.07.11 14:40:00 -
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Here it is, the way to bring our league back from the dead!
EVE UFC Presents the 1,000,000,000 (billion) ISK match!
This is an event that is focussed on the best of the best, and the winner will truly be able to say "I am the best Frigate Pilot in all of Eve!"
Ready for this? There is NO limit on what gear you can pack on or what ship you can bring! (as long as it is a Frigate class ship)
Fighting will be held in classic EVE UFC style, with a ladder match, winners advancing and closing in on the finals bout. First place will take 750mil ISK and Second place will take 250mil ISK. There will be other consolidation prizes scattered throughout the event. There ring size for this match will be increased to 100km to allow for more maneuverability.
Entrance Fees: 100m ISK
Other Fees: 20m ISK "tap out" fee (paid up front and returned if not used)
Any entrance fees that excess the prize pool may be held for other UFC leagues or may be distributed as prize money at the Referee's discretion. No ISK will be held as personal gain.
Location will be determined as the most centralized point between all applicants. The event date is still to be determined, but is planned in the second half of July.
Do you have what it takes to be the best? Let's find out!
-Gin
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Zanphear
M. Corp Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2008.07.11 17:09:00 -
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Are we talking t1 frigs only or faction / t2 allowed as well ?
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Zhecao Vai
Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.07.11 22:25:00 -
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Edited by: Zhecao Vai on 11/07/2008 22:25:28 These are T1 frigates, right? How do you resolve ties, if one player is much faster or much tankier and can last indefinitely?
(If T2 frigates, then this is obviously even a bigger issue, thanks to the presence of really fast interceptors.)
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Gin Moon
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Posted - 2008.07.12 04:58:00 -
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This will be a T1 or T2 hull class, there will be no limit on what ship can be entered as long as it is Frigate sized.
In the event of a tie, or neither fighter being able to defeat the other, if possible, the match ups will be modified. So far out of all of the fights we have done, we have never had this issue. This will also come down to Referee discretion, and when matters arise that were unforeseen, it is usually discussed with the fighters and a consensus reached.
As far as allowing faction or officer gear, the committee is still under review in that aspect, and would like input from the fighters.
-Gin
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Zhecao Vai
Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.07.13 03:16:00 -
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Okay, let's foresee it. Suppose I'm flying a normal T2 Crow going 6.5km/s and someone else is flying a close-range Vengeance with rockets that tanks 150 DPS. Clearly neither of us can even scratch the other's paint in any realistic way. What's the result?
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Raul Watanabe
Gallente NQX Innovations
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Posted - 2008.07.13 11:51:00 -
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Edited by: Raul Watanabe on 13/07/2008 11:53:33 good question, i would think any nano ships that cant kill their opponents should be disqualified, tankers run out of cap eventually and nano fits are fine but your suppose to actually kill the other guy, if you can orbit really fast and evade damage but deal out none yourself you should be kicked with no refund
This sounds like a fun tourny i might consider joining if the rules are right
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CetusOfAsuran
well of Urd
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Posted - 2008.07.13 16:01:00 -
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frigate class, so thats all frig ships covert ops/stealth bombers/elec attack/interceptors etc etc etc etc.
just want to be absolutely sure before i enter. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=792173&page=2 |
Zhecao Vai
Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.07.13 18:38:00 -
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Edited by: Zhecao Vai on 13/07/2008 18:40:13 OK, but AFs like the Vengeance and Hawk really can tank 150 DPS cap-stable if you allow faction gear, which is more than 90% of frigates can possibly put out (the exceptions being T2 blaster ships and stealth bombers.) So you may well run into the same problem even with a speed cap.
EDIT: You will also have an ECM stalemate problem if you allow the Kitsune.
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XDSKIRBYKIA
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Posted - 2008.07.14 04:12:00 -
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Get the rules and regs under control then i may invest some isk in fighting till then..........
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Raul Watanabe
Gallente NQX Innovations
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Posted - 2008.07.14 09:57:00 -
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i wasnt suggesting a speed cap i was suggesting a moron cap
Speed is fine, not killing the other guy is not
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anatomic
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.07.14 12:08:00 -
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How about if no winner after 15 minutes they both lose?
Silly pacifist fits, fit guns like real men
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Zhecao Vai
Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.07.15 00:16:00 -
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Edited by: Zhecao Vai on 15/07/2008 00:23:40
Originally by: Raul Watanabe i wasnt suggesting a speed cap i was suggesting a moron cap
Speed is fine, not killing the other guy is not
That doesn't make sense to me. These ships we're talking about do plenty of DPS for frigates. You're saying that people are morons for bringing ships that are really hard to kill? It seems to me that makes them smart, not morons.
I don't have any suggestions, though; I don't think that a general T2 frigate competition makes any sense. T2 frigates aren't balanced against each other at all. If you take away the ones so fast nobody slower can hit them (all interceptors and maybe the Sentinel, maybe the Jaguar,) the ECM ones that can permajam almost any other frigate (Griffin, Kitsune,) and the ones that can tank most people forever (a couple AFs, maybe the Merlin if you allow deadspace shield boosters), then suddenly stealth bombers are far and away the best because they two-volley all the ships that are left. If you take away stealth bombers too, then you've already taken away half of the T2 frigates.
I really want to fight in this event and I will sign up no matter what the rules are. However, I have very good skills for every T2 frigate, and I will do my best to fly the lamest, most overpowered, most impossible-to-possibly-defeat ship that is allowed by the rules, because for a billion isk if I don't fly it someone else will. I don't want to shoot down the idea of a big open frigate competition; I just want to make sure that when the rules are nailed down, they are rules that create an interesting playing field.
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Gin Moon
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Posted - 2008.07.15 14:51:00 -
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Edited by: Gin Moon on 15/07/2008 14:54:09 Just an update: There have been some very very good points brought up in this thread so far, and we are racking our brains trying to figure out some way to make it fair for everyone.
Some general rules that we have always operated on are: You must make an attempt to kill the other pilot. You can't kite forever and expect to win. There is a "ring" size limit, and if you go outside of it, you are DQ and the other pilot wins by default, so there is some pilot skill involved if you are flying a faster ship.
We are looking at decreasing the ring size to 50km radius to promote more dog fighting and less kiting. We are also looking at the feasibility of restricting this to the AF class, and would like some input by would be competitors. If there is an outcry to allow other classes in, we will look harder at making things more even.
Keep in mind, that changing of fitting will not be allowed in between matches, what you start with is what you will be fighting with until you either win or lose. You can change ammo, but only what is held inside of your cargo hold. Fighters will be allowed to dock up to fill up on ammo after every fight, but remember, ship scanners are used and a fighter will be DQ if they attempt to change their fittings at all.
We also realize that there is pretty much a counter to every ship in the game, and count on the fact that there is not one uber ship that is better than all of the rest. We focus this tournament on pilot skill, and not who can cram the most expensive fittings on their ship. With that in mind, a restriction on fittings is also being looked at, possibly restricting to T2 (rigs allowed) but again, input is needed by the public on this before a definitive change is made. As it is right now, we are allowing Faction gear, but not deadspace. If some fighters would like, a deadspace fittings match can be arranged. *edit* Keep in mind that warp scramblers and disruptors will not be allowed, and showing up with one fitted will result in a disqualification and nonrefund of your entrance fee.
We at the EVE UFC appreciate your input so far, and hope that it will continue so that we can put on the biggest and best fight.
Keep up the good work and we hope to see you there! -Gin
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Zhecao Vai
Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.07.15 22:34:00 -
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Edited by: Zhecao Vai on 15/07/2008 22:35:18 I like the idea of AFs only all right. It may not be totally balanced, but it's acceptably balanced.
Things to look at when you think about AFs:
- The Vengeance has a very, very strong T2 armor tank. With my skills, I can set it up to tank 217 omni-DPS cap-stable on cap charges with T2 gear and 2 T1 rigs, while still having a normal combat fit with an afterburner (a MWD will hurt your cap a lot), web, and T2 rockets (i.e. it can reach to range with javelin.) doing 64 DPS of any damage type.
There are a couple AFs that could break its tank without neuts, like an Ishkur or blaster Harpy, but consider it as very strong.
- The Ishkur is a tremendous all-around ship, with drones that can project damage across the whole arena (and spares) as well as good base stats and good fitting. It is sort of a step above of lots of the other AFs. Not that it's unbeatable.
- When you start to allow better gear, tanks will improve faster than DPS will. Deadspace shield boosters are an obvious big, big, big boost in shield tanking ability, if you allow them.
- The Jaguar is a lot faster than the other AFs. However, if you allow polycarbons and implants, any AF will be "fast enough" to kite non-snaked non-polycarbed AFs around if it wants.
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Zanphear
SIEGE. The Border Patrol
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Posted - 2008.07.15 23:17:00 -
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Stop beeing such a pessimist Zhecao Vai, I held a AF tourney not too long ago and it went fine.
we had some people going on and on and on about the same things you did and when they showed up with their "unbeatable uber ship of doom" and then got beaten down by a pilot that didnt pilot af's regularly and had named / t2 fit vs this guys faction unbeatable setup.
we had alot of good fights and infact the semi-finals and finals were so exciting it was amazing.
here is a video of the event the two semi final fights and the finals:
AF tourney - eve files
or the video on youtube
and the thread of it is here
So yeah my point beeing that you can do all these situatins in theory but in the end this is eve, people mess up very easly and I somehow highly doubt that someones "perma tanked this ship" will match up againsted this guys "super tanked that ship", now if it happens simply have this in the rules: the judge of the match has the final word on all matches, whoever in his opinon showed better sportmanship and / or had the upper hand in the match the longest and /or was the clear better pilot or something along thouse lines and have it be the judges final decition, screw the whiner that didnt go through with his 500 dps tank and 5 dps ship :)
thats my opinion atleast, if there is such a uber ship then bring it to the tournament and win, stop screwing it up for your self by telling everyone what it is :P
as soon as Gin Moon has set this tourney straight I will be signing up :)
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Zhecao Vai
Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.07.16 00:16:00 -
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I'm not being a pessimist; I think AFs are a good idea and will turn out fun. I'm just suggesting some of the ways that starting distance, modules/rigs allowed, and so on might influence the balance.
I'm confident in my own ability regardless of whether I give away good ideas. I'm much more interested in having challenging matches than having a billion isk prize.
However, I'm personally not fond of matches coming down to the judge's discretion, or who he likes better, or who he thinks had "better sportsmanship." I think that with good rules you can make an interesting tournament which is decided on who is the better player, not who brought the "more fair" setup or who had the better attitude.
Wish I had noticed your tournament, it looks like it was a blast!
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Laae Aenus
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.07.16 22:16:00 -
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Definitely something I'm interested in, the price is a bit too steep tho'. Might want to make it 50mil, I think a lot more people would be willing to join, since 100m is quite a risk, especially in a frig tourney where if you're a bit unlucky and someone hits ya with a good counter, well it's a painful loss, especially for casual pilots.
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Cs3Sl2
Caldari Wreckless Abandon Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.07.18 12:08:00 -
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Edited by: Cs3Sl2 on 18/07/2008 12:13:24 I would most certainly join for a lower entry fee and a lower prize fund of course.
Oh and Zanphear that tourny looked awesome. Do u guys have an in-game channel // mailing list.
Nice Vids.
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foxische
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.07.19 10:18:00 -
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too bad the entrance fee is so high,too bad that all the gear can be used.I liked very much the T1 frigate fights with only t1 gear allowed,no faction modules/gear/ammo,no rigs...On that conditions I'm sure to be the best T1 frigate pilot)
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Mozohl
Amarr Mausoleum Business Services
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Posted - 2008.07.19 16:30:00 -
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In all fairness, I think allowing faction and above will give you trouble with ships having great tanks, making fights too long and also opening the possiblity of draws, as some have pointed out.
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Elaine Celeste
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Posted - 2008.07.19 17:52:00 -
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Allowing faction frigates/faction gear isn't very smart.
Anybody who doesn't fly an assault ship or preferably an interceptor might as well forget about it. Anybody who puts up some ISK for a few sick faction items will have a huge advantage over people who either refuse to or can't afford faction gear.
Allow T2 gear only and use a ship scanner before the fight. Even allowing interceptors and T2 frigates basically screws over any of the new players who'd like a shot at this.
And 50 mill is a much more affordable price for most people.
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Gin Moon
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Posted - 2008.07.20 02:46:00 -
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Edited by: Gin Moon on 20/07/2008 02:45:46 After a lot of debate and some interesting discussions, we have decided to alter the rules as such: This will be an Assault Frigate match. T2 and T1 will only be allowed. Faction Ammo will be allowed. Deadspace and Faction modules will not be allowed.
All ships will be scanned before each match to ensure everyone is complying with the rules. If a fighter does not make a concentrated effort to defeat his opponent(i.e. kiting), he/she will not be able to achieve victory for making their opponent run out of ammo. There will be a 3 minute time limit for each match. At the end of 3 minutes, if a clear winner is not found, it will go down to a decision.
The entrance fee has been lowered to 50mil, and the prize fund is being looked at, and will quite possibly be lowered to scale with the lower entrance fee.
Other Events we are looking at hosting: Interceptor Showdown - think car show style, with categories of tightest orbit, fastest speed, and of course, most expensive. Tightest Orbit will be something along the lines of, minimum orbit speed of 5km/sec with the goal of orbiting as close as possible to a central point. Fastest Speed will be a straight line race with a 100km distance limit starting from a full stop. Most Expensive is, well, a contest promoting the most pimped out ships in the universe. Any ship is allowed to enter, as long as it is on a Frigate hull base (T1, T2, Pirate, Faction)
EVE UFC Season 2 - We are expecting to get this under way as soon as our mega millions match (tentative name of our current organizing event) is concluded. This will be back to the T1 frigs with T1 modules, promoting pilot skill and strategy.
-Gin
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Zhecao Vai
Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.07.20 18:32:00 -
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Rigs allowed?
Is the 3 minutes a hard limit, even if the match is clearly going to be decided soon, or is it a "3 minutes after which we'll make a decision whether anything is happening" limit?
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Vrikaan Phoenix
M. Corp Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2008.07.21 02:56:00 -
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Originally by: Gin Moon
Interceptor Showdown - think car show style, with categories of tightest orbit, fastest speed, and of course, most expensive.
I'm betting on Evil Edna in a 'Teamwork' Crow would win Most Expensive hands down
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PieOh Pah
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Posted - 2008.07.23 00:04:00 -
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Hey Gin,Foxische,
I was 1 of the pilots who flew in the original tourny and had great fun with only T1 ship/fittings.But wtf happened in the end,the pilots turned up for a couple of tourny dates scheduled after the qualifying rounds only to have no 1 show up from the corp holding the event? No scam or isk was taken by the tourney corp,but it was a big disapointment. If this is gonna go ahead, AF's or back to T1 ships/fittings i'll sign up.When the fights did go ahead they were great fun
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PieOh Pah
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Posted - 2008.07.23 00:07:00 -
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Originally by: Vrikaan Phoenix
Originally by: Gin Moon
Interceptor Showdown - think car show style, with categories of tightest orbit, fastest speed, and of course, most expensive.
I'm betting on Evil Edna in a 'Teamwork' Crow would win Most Expensive hands down
From the KB link i was sent,i'd have to agree
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Evil Edna
FIRMA
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Posted - 2008.07.24 13:50:00 -
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if i can risk pvping on the mac client and remember about this ill come in my crow and win ths
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Zhecao Vai
Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.08.03 19:45:00 -
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Well?
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