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Nikilaiki Ruutarhara
Caldari
Pulsar Combat Supplies
Alternative Realities
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Posted - 2008.07.19 03:57:00 -
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Edited by: Nikilaiki Ruutarhara on 19/07/2008 03:59:48
 Originally by: Aria Jenneth
There's a fine distinction both you and, Ms. Ruutarhara are missing, and it is this: that while the objective "truth" of our humanity does not greatly matter for the purposes of this writing or the Exodus Project, the subjective perception of our humanity very much does.
A visual feed opens, a young woman with reddish blond hair comes into view of the camera.
My dear, why do you generalize things so? We are not all like you, nor do all non capsuleers view us as different. In fact, the more non human we are, the more human we will be perceived as. Traits that we share with the rest of humanity, due to our status, will become more apparent.
So is it we who are demented, or is it we who are demented?
Smiles into the camera.
We are all human, subjectively speaking or not. Whether you or I regard ourselves as human is, of course, irrelevant. Perception is always the delineating factor, regardless of the realities of a situation.
So, I put this forth. We are but ghosts. We are already dead, yet we linger. You seek a place of rest, where our immortal remains can be free of suffering.
You seek, for lack of a better term, a sort of "death" from the rest of the world. An afterlife, if you will. I think I fully understand you now, Miss Jenneth.
You have a martyr complex, yet no way to fulfill your perceived purpose. How lonely and shallow you must feel. Of course you see humanity as your slayers, your monsters. They are as different to you as you believe we are from them.
Lowers her head, not taking her eyes from the camera, as she slowly grins.
Miss Jenneth, how does it feel building a doomsday cult? You are it's prophet, it's martyr, and it's creator. Hurry into the dark places, dear... your Children are calling.
Turns away from the camera, laughing. The image blurs for an instant, out of focus, as the feed ends.
Originally by: Nikilaiki Ruutarhara
Religion is never about the search for truth, but the search for meaning. I think you should look into that deep, dark mirror and see what true meaning it holds to you, for I believe you have not looked too closely.
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Remus Navillum
z3r0 Gravity
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Posted - 2008.07.19 05:58:00 -
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...Sorry, "ghosts?" 
Congratulations, you just made Ms. Jenneth seem realistic and sensible by comparison.
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Nikilaiki Ruutarhara
Caldari
Pulsar Combat Supplies
Alternative Realities
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Posted - 2008.07.19 06:51:00 -
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Originally by: Remus Navillum
...Sorry, "ghosts?"
Congratulations, you just made Ms. Jenneth seem realistic and sensible by comparison.
Oh come now, you know full well what I meant. If not, I truly do apologize for aiming my comments at Miss Jenneth.
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Aria Jenneth
Caldari
Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2008.07.19 08:45:00 -
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Edited by: Aria Jenneth on 19/07/2008 08:51:05
Ms. Ruutarhara:
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My dear, why do you generalize things so? We are not all like you ...
It's of course true that not all capsuleers are the same in terms of mental state, but it seems to me that dementia is a product of certain factors we generally have in common, even if its presence or effects vary from capsuleer to capsuleer. Such things as clones and plugging our brains into ships are so common to capsuleers that they very nearly constitute the "pod pilot condition." I'd suggest that it's these conditions of our existence, and their divergence from the "human condition," that form the basis for a generally applicable, rational distinction between capsuleer infomorphs and humans. This is not to say that "capsuleers are inhuman," only that the conditions of our existence support such a conclusion under a definition of "human" based on the "human condition."
Or, to say it simply, "Ordinary, reasonable people can look at how we live and conclude that we are not human. This is dangerous to us."
The degree to which dementia is present or affects us varies. Those of its root causes that are found under the heading of "what it means to be a capsuleer" vary little, if at all. Hence the generalization.
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... nor do all non capsuleers view us as different.
Well, of course not. It's the aggregate, rather than the individual, that's dangerous to us as a group.
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In fact, the more non human we are, the more human we will be perceived as. Traits that we share with the rest of humanity, due to our status, will become more apparent.
Now that's a curious notion-- that we'll seem more human the less human we become?
... Only, by that analysis, wouldn't a famous statue be truly extreme in its apparent humanity?
Would you like to clarify? I think I understand what you're pointing to, but the notion seems counterintuitive. If you'd like to develop it in detail, I'd be interested in how you think this would work.
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We are but ghosts. We are already dead, yet we linger. You seek a place of rest, where our immortal remains can be free of suffering.
I've certainly suggested something of the sort in the past, though I always meant it as a metaphor, suggesting just how out-of-place we are among humans. The last ... well, this is where the metaphor breaks down. Infomorphs aren't "dead"; we're lively, active creatures; in fact, our interactions with one another bear more similarity to the activities of sophisticated, colonial insects or even entire ecosystems than they do to restless spirits. There's not much really "dead" about us, and I see neither reason for nor method of "laying us to rest" other than actually killing us-- and, begging your pardon, that's an outcome I don't much care for.
"Martyr complex," now, that's interesting-- only, I'd rather not sacrifice myself, and indeed intend to avoid doing so by all workable means. Nor do I think I've been martyred already; my human antecedent died a pointless death through inexperience and pilot error. It's the way most of us first perish, I imagine. Nothing much was gained by it. The original Aria Jenneth might have been willing to sacrifice her life for her homeworld, but I don't recall that she had any particular desire to do so-- heroism, yes. Martyrdom, not so much.
Perhaps, Ms. Ruutarhara, you'd like to meet and speak with me outside of the context of GalNet if you're going to continue to analyze me as well as my work? I don't think I'm quite so unstable a creature as you suggest, and, while I don't mind you drawing such conclusions as these, I don't really think you have enough information to make any sort of reliable diagnosis.
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